The guys welcome Matthew Caws of Nada Surf to talk about Echo & The Bunnymen’s 1984 record “Ocean Rain.” Plenty of discussion about Nada Surf’s new album called “Never Not Together,” “The Book of Hylas,” playing with conductors and click tracks, social media and the Human River, male aggression and identity, Dylan’s “Blonde on Blonde,” Adam Peters, red teardrop Vox semi acoustic guitars, Gil Norton productions, Pete de Freitas and the 27 Club, and the greatness of “The Killing Moon.”

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