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"Heritage" or "Hate". It's almost cliche at this point. But what are the origins of the flag's heritage and hate? Links: Dr. Robert Luckett http://www.jsums.edu/history/luckett/ Dr. Otis Pickett https://www.mc.edu/faculty/u/owpickett https://twitter.com/otiswpickett Voting Rights for African Americans from Library of Congress https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/elections/voting-rights-african-americans.html The Birth of a Nation 1915 Film: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0004972/ 2016 Film: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4196450/ Transcript of Brown v. Board of Education (1954) https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=87 Dixiecrat Party http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1477 Quotes: “As a white male christian southerner, this argument that our heritage isn’t somehow hate or that our heritage should somehow always be painted in rosy colors has never set well with me. The Mississippi flag and what it represents to the vast majority of Mississippians today is something that is oppressive, rooted in a history fundamentally based in the institution of slavery.” –Dr. Robert Luckett “Symbols matter. When you have a symbol that is connected with [a racist history] and you choose for that symbol to reflect who you are to the rest of the world, it says something about your values as a society… Mississippi is so much better than what it chooses to reflect itself as.” -Dr. Otis Pickett Boilerplate: “Red Flag” is produced by Podastery Studios and hosted by Beau York and Chellese Hall. Our Music is by Clouds & Crayons with additional music provided by Loki Antiphony. Album art by Tyler Tadlock. This episode was written by Rachel James-Terry. Transcriptions by Daisy Stackpole. Special thanks to advising Producers Rodrick Red & Dereck Russell. Be sure to see our show notes for additional credits and links to the stories referenced in this episode. If you want to learn more about how you can support the creation of this podcast please visit RedFlagPodcast.com and follow us on Instagram and Twitter @RedFlagPod.Special Guests: Dr. Otis Pickett and Dr. Robert Luckett.
Mississippi House of Representatives Jun 27 2020 85-34 towards changing the State Flag of Mississippi
Mississippi is the last state to actively fly the confederate battle flag within the canton of it’s own state flag. For many years, state-funded universities and some cities around the state have refused to put up the flag. In 2001 a motion was put to popular vote, but in the end nothing was changed. The issue is now becoming more urgent, as white supremacists are flying not only the Confederate and the Nazi flags, but also the Mississippi state flag. With that in mind, a group of Mississippians began creating a podcast to tell the story of how Mississippi is changing itself from within. We have the opportunity to showcase the future of our state, not the past. We want our listeners to shape the outcome of that story. This is Red Flag.
_**Candidates who are in favor of changing the Mississippi Flag: _** Candidates for U.S. Senate Mississippi David Baria (D) - US Senate Roger Wicker (R) - US Senate Candidates for U.S. Senate Mississippi (Special Election) ** Mike Espy - US Senate **Candidates for U.S. House Mississippi District 2 Bennie G. Thompson (D) Candidates for U.S. House Mississippi District 4 Jeramey Anderson (D) And, while we’re at it… The following is a list of individuals, groups and communities who have called for the removal of the Confederate emblem from the Mississippi state flag and/or condemned public displays of the Confederate emblem (this list is not necessarily comprehensive and is updated regularly): Current and former state and national political leaders and public officials: Philip Gunn (R), Speaker of the State House of Representatives US Sen. Thad Cochran (R) US Sen. Roger Wicker (R) US Rep. Bennie Thompson (D) Henry Barbour (R), Republican National Committee Member Sen. Deborah Dawkins (D) Sen. David Blount (D) Sen. John Horhn (D) Rep. David Baria (D) Rep. Sonya Williams-Barnes (D) Rep. Jeramey Anderson (D) Rep. Kathy Sykes (D) Candidate for US House of Rep., 4th Cong. Dist., Mark Gladney (D) Former Gov. William Winter Former Gov. Ronnie Musgrove Bill Luckett, Mayor of Clarksdale Johnny Dupree, former Mayor of Hattiesburg Tony Yarber, former Mayor of Jackson Vicki Robinson Slater, 2016 gubernatorial candidate Melton Harris, Jackson Co. BOS The MS Democratic Party 4th Congressional District MS Democrats MS Legislative Black Caucus Councilman Felix Gines (D), Biloxi Chokwe Lumumba, Mayor of Jackson Toby Barker (R), Mayor of Hattiesburg FoFo Gilich (R), Mayor of Biloxi Biloxi City Council (drafted and passed resolution endorsing state flag change) Gautier City Council (drafted and passed resolution endorsing state flag change) Atty. Gen. Jim Hood (D) Sen. Briggs Hopson (R) Andy Taggart - Executive Director of the MS Republican Party in 1984; political director of the MS Republican Party in 1980 and 1981; MS State Chairman for the presidential campaign of Ohio Governor John Kasich; former Chairman of the Greater Jackson (MS) Chamber Partnership; former Madison County Supervisor; former CEO of MS Technology Alliance; named by Governor Phil Bryant in 2014 as Co-Chairman of the Mississippi Department of Corrections Task Force on Contract Review and Procurement; attorney and gubernatorial appointee to the Mississippi Judicial Appointments Advisory Committee Percy Bland (D), Mayor of Meridian Lynn Fitch (R), MS State Treasurer Carlos Moore, Attorney and Municipal Court Judge Pro Tem, Clarksdale Rickey Authement, Alderman, City of Ocean Springs Jason Shelton (D), Mayor of Tupelo Mario King (R), Mayor of Moss Point Religious Leaders and Organizations: Southern Baptist Convention Southern Christian Leadership Conference Mississippi Diocese of the Episcopal Church Mississippi Religious Leadership Council United Methodist Church Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA) The Washington National Cathedral (Catholic Church) Lighthouse Community Church, Biloxi Academic leaders and organizations: Morris Stocks, UM interim Chancellor Robert Khayat, former UM Chancellor Dan Jones, former UM Chancellor Mark Keenum, MSU President Jim Borsig, MS University for Women President The University of Mississippi Mississippi State University University of Southern Mississippi UMMC Mississippi University for Women Delta State Jackson State University Alcorn State University Mississippi Valley State University Millsaps College The SEC The NCAA (prohibits post-season collegiate tournaments is MS due to the current flag) Ole Miss Coaches Hugh Freeze, Andy Kennedy and Mike Bianco MSU Coaches Dan Mullen and Ben Howland SEC Football Coaches Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier Board of Trustees for State Institutions of Higher Learning (2001) Robert Luckett, Ph.D., Jackson State University Stephanie Rolph, Ph.D., Millsaps College Janice Brockley, Ph.D., Jackson State University Alison Greene, Ph.D., Mississippi State University William Storey, Ph.D., Millsaps College James Giesen, Ph.D., Mississippi State University Christian Pinnen, Ph.D., Mississippi College Otis W. Pickett, Ph.D., Mississippi College Robert S. McElvaine, Ph.D., Millsaps College Kathryn Green, Ph.D., Mississippi Valley State University Anne Marshall, Ph.D., Mississippi State University C. Sade Turnipseed, Ph.D., Mississippi Valley State University Bridget Smith Pieschel, Ph.D., Mississippi University for Women Elizabeth Anne Payne, Ph. D., University of Mississippi Anne Twitty, Ph.D., University of Mississippi Max Grivno, Ph.D., University of Southern Mississippi Susannah J. Ural, Ph.D., University of Southern Mississippi Charles Westmoreland, Jr., Ph.D., Delta State University Darren Grem, Ph.D., University of Mississippi Alexandra Finley, Ph.D., Mississippi State University John R. Neff, Ph.D., University of Mississippi Ted M. Ownby, Ph.D., University of Mississippi Amy Wiese Forbes, Ph.D., Millsaps College Erin M. Kempker, Ph.D., Mississippi University for Women Andrew P. Haley, Ph.D., University of Southern Mississippi Kevin D. Greene, Ph.D., University of Southern Mississippi Jarod Roll, Ph.D., University of Mississippi April Holm, Ph.D., University of Mississippi Rebecca Tuuri, Ph.D., University of Southern Mississippi Kyle F. Zelner, Ph.D., University of Southern Mississippi Patrick Connelly, Ph.D., Mississippi College Jason Ward, Ph.D., Mississippi State University James Pat Smith, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of History, USM Douglas Bristol, Ph.D., USM Andrew N. Wegmann, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of History at Delta State University Civic, Economic and Non-Profit Organizations: Mississippi Economic Council Mississippi Development Authority Gulf Coast Business Council Mississippi Gulf Coast Chamber of Commerce Mississippi Business Journal Mississippi Manufacturer’s Association (2001) MS NAACP National NAACP Biloxi NAACP Jackson Co. NAACP Hancock Co. NAACP Gulfport NAACP Stone Co. NAACP Steps Coalition League of Women Voters of MS Mississippi Onward PAC Mississippi Rising Coalition The Flag for All Mississippians Coalition The Mississippi Rainbow Center Come As You Are (CAYA) The American Family Association (2001) The ACLU of MS Southern Poverty Law Center Emmett Till Interpretive Center Jenna R. Fassbender Center for LGBTQ Alliance Harrison Co. Federation of Democratic Women Jackson Co. Federation of Democratic Women The Ecumenical Coalition for Women and Families DSU Gender and Sexuality Alliance Children’s Defense Fund (Southern Regional Office) Mississippi Center for Justice National Association of Social Workers (MS Chapter) Human Rights Campaign Mississippi Spectrum Center (Hattiesburg) New South Collective Hijra House Mississippians Stand Together Hattiesburg Indivisible Indivisible Golden Triangle MS Indivisible Jackson Metro Area Indivisible L.O.U. (Oxford) Indivisible MS Delta Indivisible Northeast Mississippi MS Gulf Coast Indivisible South Mississippi Indivisible MS Reproductive Freedom Fund Mississippi Association for Justice Mississippi Humanist Association Newspapers/Media: Clarion-Ledger Jackson Free Press The Sun Herald Mississippi Business Journal Greenwood Commonwealth Delta Democrat Times Daily Mississippian Columbus Commercial Dispatch Brookhaven Daily Leader Hattiesburg American WJZD94.5 FM WLOX (ABC/CBS affiliate, MS Gulf Coast) SuperTalk Radio BamSouth.com Hattiesburg Post/Hub City Spokes Cities and Counties that have removed state flag from public spaces: Clarksdale Hattiesburg Magnolia Grenada Jackson West Point Columbus Starkville Oxford Vicksburg Greenwood Greenville Moss Point Waveland Leflore Co. Washington Co. Oktibbeha Co. Sunflower Co. Adams Co. Hinds Co. Biloxi Tupelo (current state flag removed from Tupelo Police Dept. by Mayor Shelton, Tupelo City Council passed resolution along racial lines to require display of current flag on all other municipal properties) McComb Pascagoula Meridian Cleveland Bolivar Co. Pass Christian Bay St. Louis Businesses/Corporations: BancorpSouth Mississippi Power Huntington Ingalls Shipyard Sanderson Farms Betta Boats, LLC, Bay St. Louis Pharr Construction Benjamin Electric State Caps Harvest Trends, Inc. Sanderson Farms Sustainable Equity, LLC MGM Resorts International* Apple* Pepsi Co.* Merck* Joe Max Higgins, CEO, Golden Triangle Development LINK Reed Smith, LLP – Law Firm of Attorney Michael Scott with locations throughout the U.S. and internationally (*CEO has publicly denounced symbols of hate and white supremacy, but not current MS state flag specifically) Notable native Mississippi cultural leaders: Archie Manning Greg Iles, award-winning writer Jimmy Buffet Richard Ford, Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Morgan Freeman Kathryn Stockett, author of “The Help” Aunjanue Ellis, actress in “The Help,” “Quantico” Jim Barksdale, former Netscape CEO and philanthropist John Grisham Myrlie Evers-Williams, civil rights activist and wife of slain activist Medgar Evers Boo Ferris, former Boston Red Sox pitcher Hanna Roberts, Miss Mississippi 2015 Jack Reed, Sr., business leader Reuben Anderson, former MS Supreme Court Justice Glen Ballard, Grammy-winning music producer Bailey Howell, Basketball Hall of Fame Great-great-grandson of President of the CSA, Jefferson Davis David Banner, musician Genesis Be, musician Big KRIT, musician Rick Cleveland, Exec. Dir. Of MS Sports Hall of Fame Rip Daniels, owner of WJZD 94.5FM and host of “It’s a New Day” talk show Paul Gallo of The Gallo Show on SuperTalk radio Susan Glisson, former Director at William Winter Institute for Racial Reconciliation and racial reconciliation practitioner Pam Johnson, Author Joe Max Higgins, CEO, Golden Triangle Development LINK Others: US state, Oregon Philadelphia, PA US Capitol, Washington DC (List compiled by Mississippi Rising Coalition)
"65 Percent" History is catching up to us as we dive into the referendum that solidified our current state flag. Links: Mississippi Flag Referendum (April 2001) https://ballotpedia.org/Mississippi_Flag_Referendum_(April_2001) Sons of Confederate Veterans http://www.scv.org Quotes: Leslie B. McLemore II: “The state’s flag’s job is representation of the state to outsiders. The flag [represents] each state’s personal identity. So when your identity is wrapped around the Confederacy…I personally don’t understand it.” Greg Stewart: “For me, it is a flag that represents everyone’s history… if we want to change it, that’s fine. But it’s not going to be changed by demonizing my ancestors.” Leslie B. McLemore II: “That [Confederate] history is something that is not only divisive, but it’s a losing history.” Chellese Hall: Maybe we should all view this flag as a threat to our heritage as current Mississippians. This flag takes away my voice as a young black woman creating a space for herself in a state whose flag waves like a hostile beacon. Boilerplate: “Red Flag” is produced by Podastery Studios and hosted by Beau York and Chellese Hall. Our Music is by Clouds & Crayons with additional music provided by Loki Antiphony. Album art by Tyler Tadlock. This episode was written by Rachel James-Terry. Transcriptions by Daisy Stackpole. Special thanks to advising Producers Rodrick Red & Dereck Russell. Be sure to see our show notes for additional credits and links to the stories referenced in this episode. If you want to learn more about how you can support the creation of this podcast please visit RedFlagPodcast.com and follow us on Instagram and Twitter @RedFlagPod.Special Guests: Greg Stewart and Leslie B. McLemore II.
Quotes: “We’ve got to explore why symbols even matter in the first place. What’s the story behind our flag? If the argument that keeps getting brought up is heritage versus hate, what is the heritage of Mississippi? What is the hate of Mississippi? Because we’ve got to know where we’ve been to know how we move forward.” Links: Gunn: Confederate part of MS flag 'needs to be removed' - https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/06/22/petition-mississippi-confederate-flag/29113157/- via Clarion Ledger Wicker: Time to put Mississippi flag in a museum - https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/politics/wicker-time-to-put-mississippi-flag-in-museum/index.html via CNN Lawsuit takes aim at Mississippi state flag - https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/08/us/mississippi-flag-lawsuit/index.html via Clarion Ledger Mississippi Flag Referendum (April 2001) - https://ballotpedia.org/Mississippi_Flag_Referendum_(April_2001) Moore v. Gov. Bryant Oral Argument (March 2017) - https://www.c-span.org/video/?425186-1/moore-v-gov-bryant-oral-argument Moore v. Bryan Lawsuit - https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/16-60616/16-60616-2017-03-31.html Boilerplate: “Red Flag” is produced by Podastery Studios and hosted by Beau York and Chellese Hall. Our Music is by Clouds & Crayons with additional music provided by Loki Antiphony. Album art by Tyler Tadlock. This episode was written by Rachel James-Terry. Transcriptions by Daisy Stackpole. Special thanks to advising Producers Rodrick Red & Dereck Russell. Be sure to see our show notes for additional credits and links to the stories referenced in this episode. If you want to learn more about how you can support the creation of this podcast please visit RedFlagPodcast.com and follow us on Instagram and Twitter @RedFlagPod. Song at the end of each episode: “Nightmare” Clouds & Crayons
Links: Ted Kaye’s book: Good Flag, Bad Flag “Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition.” Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephans’ Cornerstone Speech, given on March 21, 1861 Quotes: Chellese: “[It’s good to] remember why the Confederacy so willingly united under that flag. It wasn’t the design or the arrangement of it–it was the ideas behind the uprising–slavery and white supremacy.” Beau: “The Civil War may have settled the question about maintaining The Union and created the opportunity to end slavery as an institution. But the ideas that underpinned the confederacy and American slavery never really went away.” Beau: “Remember what Alexander Stevens said, that the races were not equal, that idea wasn’t vanquished by the war and it certainly was never unique to the South. It’s just that the confederacy willingly and explicitly embodied it, which is why the Confederate battle flag. The one that is currently on the Mississippi state flag has been claimed by hate groups throughout the country and beyond.” Chellese: “For those looking to maintain white supremacy in a post-slavery America, where do you think they look to for inspiration?” Boilerplate: “Red Flag” is produced by Podastery Studios and hosted by Beau York and Chellese Hall. Our Music is by Clouds & Crayons with additional music provided by Loki Antiphony. Album art by Tyler Tadlock. This episode was written by H.B. Stewart. Transcriptions by Daisy Stackpole. Special thanks to advising Producers Rodrick Red & Dereck Russell. Be sure to see our show notes for additional credits and links to the stories referenced in this episode. If you want to learn more about how you can support the creation of this podcast please visit RedFlagPodcast.com and follow us on Instagram and Twitter @RedFlagPod. Song at the end of each episode: “Nightmare” Clouds & CrayonsSpecial Guest: Ted Kaye.
"Symbols matter." Just ask the fans of Batman, Superman, or any brand enthusiast. But what if your logo doesn't match your message? Looks like them podcasters are at it again! Links: Derek Russell https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3053783/bio Dr. D’Andra Orey http://www.jsums.edu/polisci/faculty-and-staff/dandra-orey-ph-dchair/ Quotes: “[A seal] triggers something in your mind so when you see it, it almost becomes an allegory for you.” –Derek Russell “When you’re dealing with an entertainment industry that is controlled by a large white majority, I don’t think how we feel is necessarily taken into consideration. I know adults who watched the show as kids and thought nothing about the Confederate images because it was beyond their understanding then. It was just a fun show to watch. But now, as adults today, who know and understand the history of the civil war, they find the representation in the show problematic.” –Chellese Hall “In the case of The Dukes of Hazzard, art is imitating life. It’s like a revisionist wrote the script. It took something that we find hurtful and problematic and turned it into this symbol of heroism. I don’t think it was deliberate. But it speaks to how people try to convince us that our feelings towards the flag are trivial.” –Chellese Hall “Implicit association … you can't give us a social desire response, which is what we often find in surveys, I mean who's going to admit with having a bias against black or white?” - Dr. D'Andra Orey Boilerplate: “Red Flag” is produced by Podastery Studios and hosted by Beau York and Chellese Hall. Our Music is by Clouds & Crayons with additional music provided by Loki Antiphony. Album art by Tyler Tadlock. This episode was written by Rachel James-Terry. Transcriptions by Daisy Stackpole. Special thanks to advising Producers Rodrick Red & Dereck Russell. Be sure to see our show notes for additional credits and links to the stories referenced in this episode. If you want to learn more about how you can support the creation of this podcast please visit RedFlagPodcast.com and follow us on Instagram and Twitter @RedFlagPod.Special Guests: Derek Russell and Dr. D'Andra Orey.
"I Love Mississippi." There was a time when the Governor of Mississippi and President of the United States were not as chummy as they are now... Links: James Meredith at University of Mississippi https://50years.olemiss.edu/james-meredith/ Dr. Marvin King https://politicalscience.olemiss.edu/marvin-king/ Ross Barnett “I Love Mississippi Speech” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygVf3FxKxJU Quotes: “If Mississippi is going to maximize its potential, compete with surrounding areas, and be a substantial national and global contender in education and commerce, to be the best version of itself, to attract major businesses that can help our state and people grow socially, culturally, and economically, and retain and attract our biggest asset–the people who are here–then we must have and promote a healthy environment of inclusivity and acceptance, not one that almost always appears to be divided by racial turmoil, and that won’t happen until we learn and accept that although old traditions may never die, they can in fact be broken.” –Chellese Hall and Beau York Boilerplate: “Red Flag” is produced by Podastery Studios and hosted by Beau York and Chellese Hall. Our Music is by Clouds & Crayons with additional music provided by Loki Antiphony. Album art by Tyler Tadlock. This episode was written by Rachel James-Terry. Transcriptions by Daisy Stackpole. Special thanks to advising Producers Rodrick Red & Dereck Russell. Be sure to see our show notes for additional credits and links to the stories referenced in this episode. If you want to learn more about how you can support the creation of this podcast please visit RedFlagPodcast.com and follow us on Instagram and Twitter @RedFlagPod.Special Guest: Dr. Marvin King.
Final Debates and Final Votes from the floor of the Mississippi Senate - 6/28/20 HB1796 Passes.
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Sep 10th, 2018
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Oct 30th, 2018
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