A few weeks back on the show, we were talking with our own Coach Larry about what to do if you base your entire identity on your job. Which unsurprisingly, is NOT the healthiest way to live.

One piece of Larry’s advice was to make sure there’s “something else” in your life other than work, including creative pursuits. But how do you work an extra passion project into your busy schedule? And what if you don’t even think of yourself as especially creative?

Today’s guest Laura M. Holson has some ideas. She’s a longtime writer for The New York Times and authored the article, “Forget a Fast Car, Creativity Is The New Midlife Crisis Cure.” Holson also started “The BOX Sessions,” a “creative gathering” that will happen in February 2020. Holson shares her personal story of finding creativity (and a knack for doing voice-overs), as well as some tips for starting a creative journey when you’re strapped for time.

Then we’ll hear from listener Steven, who spends Monday through Friday as a steelworker and moonlights as a DJ. He needs some advice on how to leave his day job for a career he’s really passionate about.

Liz and Rico will also chat with listener Carly who wants to know the best way to create “psychological safety” at work -- A.K.A. an environment where people aren’t afraid to speak up. 

And later, listener Karen was put in a tough situation at work when a whistleblower showed her some damning work emails, all written by management. Our favorite lawyer Laura Lawless writes in with some advice on the legal implications of those messages, and what Karen can do with them.

If you’d like to keep in touch, tag @SafeForWork on Twitter. And if you’d like to stay connected to the SFW team, you can follow our sage hosts on social media; Find Liz on Twitter @SSLiz. Rico is @RicoGagliano on Twitter and Instagram.

To check out Liz’s other show, Satellite Sisters, you can find it on Apple Podcasts or Art19. And look for Rico’s byline in the Wall Street Journal’s formerly-titled Travel section--for the time being, that has been renamed the “Reading and Retreating” section.

If you’d like to follow the SFW squad, our audio engineer Mischa Stanton is on Twitter @mischaetc or at mischastanton.com. Our producer is Audrey Ngo. Find her on Instagram @audwoman. Our executive producer is Grace Delia. Find her on Twitter @g_piro_delia.