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right, y'all. Welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm
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the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial
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All right, you guys, on the line, I've
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got the greatest American hero ever, Dr.
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Ron Paul. Of course, former congressman
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and presidential candidate, and he
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is the co-host of the Liberty Report
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Every Day with Dan McAdams and with Chris Rossini,
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and he runs the Ron Paul Institute for
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Peace and Prosperity, and
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he wrote a bunch of books, The Revolution Manifesto,
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Liberty Defined, End the Fed, Swords
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into Plowshares, and he's got this brand new one out.
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It's called The Great Surreptitious Coup,
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Who Stole Western Civilization?
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Brand new out. Welcome back to the show.
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How are you doing, Dr. Paul? Doing well, thank you. Good
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to be with you. Very happy to have you back on the
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show here. So listen, I have a couple
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of your recent articles I really want to talk to you about,
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you know, regarding money and the empire and all
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of that,
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but first of all, I want to ask you a little bit about this
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book. I did have a chance
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to flip through it a little bit, and I see you got
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some interesting stuff I didn't know about, Genghis Khan,
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and some other stuff. You want to give us a little bit
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of a rundown here? That's
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a neat story, especially how
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he was associated, or they linked him
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to Jefferson after a struggle
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on investigation. But anyway, to
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see...
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unique story. Very
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cool. All right, but overall, so what's the book
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about?
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Well, it's surreptitious,
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which
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means it's silent. It's not like the coups
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that we pull off. Everybody knows
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about the coup in 1953 and around. They
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know about the more
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recent one, 2014 in Ukraine. And
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we've done more. We have
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a record on. We probably
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have 150, if you count all the little
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ones, all the times we've been involved. But
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I was thinking about, because a lot of so many
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people, in the last year or two, people
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they started asking who stole
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a Western civilization. And
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of course, most people, including myself,
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we think of Western civilization and
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also the American Republic
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as being part of it, a significant
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part of the Western civilization.
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And so I
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date the coup not
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so much as one event, as an ongoing
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event. And it's 125
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years when we got involved
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in the progressive started,
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and they started undermining and destroying
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much of what came out of the Enlightenment
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and our
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Constitution and
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the modern understanding of liberty.
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But nobody knows a date. As
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we've talked about this subject, people have come up
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with different dates. And I imagine it's open
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target. Pick any date you want, because they're all
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so significant. I happened to key
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in for personal reasons,
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because I was very
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much aware of what was going on in the 60s. I
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had been drafting. I was
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in
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an area where Kennedy
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came by the air base right in San Antonio,
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where I was
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the flight surgeon.
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So I was very much involved. And
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then it was in And even at that time,
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I mean, I saw it as a total
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disaster, but I didn't
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place any type of significance
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on it compared to what I do now, because
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I think that was a big deal. And
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then all of a sudden, the whole
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decade was a big deal and continues
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to be a big deal because
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things change. And you say, well,
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you know, our Department of Justice, our
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CIA and FBI and others have
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been participating
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in assassinations and killing of our
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leaders. This was going
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by without hardly notice. Even now,
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nobody places quite the emphasis
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that I do on it. But
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it also might fully explain
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what has happened since then. Now look
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at the Department of Justice.
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But the
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one place where I think Scott, we're making
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some progress is back
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then, even I, who was
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very close to that situation,
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I took it for granted. It was as well.
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That was the explanation. That was it. So
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it took
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me a while to figure out what was going
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on.
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But it is something
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that back then, not many people
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thought about it in the big sense. And
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even now, except for one thing, in
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general, the American people
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have lost
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trust in their government because
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of an accumulation of a lot of
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nonsense. Maybe you're just in the civil liberties.
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Maybe you're just into economic liberty
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where the government gives all
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these excuses and statistics
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and claim we have to do this and that. Then
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they get into medical things
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like COVID. So people are starting
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to say, hey, this is something.
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But just think, if you compare only
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the national
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security state
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coming out of the assassinations
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of the United States, whether it was Jack Kennedy or Robert
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Kennedy, you see here, or Martin
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Luther King, even though it's
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amazing. we went through the 60s, it
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was a mess, it was horrible. But
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nobody was saying, oh, there's been a coup,
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we've lost control of our government. But
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it was eroding, you know, for
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years before that, that was a big event.
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But I think it gave tremendous
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power to our CIA. A lot
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of people know it. But I don't think
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people are quite at the
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point where they realize that the only
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solution would have to be is to get
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rid of institutions like the CIA
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and
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the FBI, because they
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destroy our liberty, they don't protect
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us. Well, Dr. Paul,
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when I was a freshman in high school, Bush
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senior went to war in Iraq
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War One or the Gulf War. And
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even as a 15 year
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old, I noticed, I took it as very important
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that he said specifically,
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that he didn't need any authorization from
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Congress to go to war. And they ended
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up authorizing it anyway. But he said he didn't
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even need them to he had an authorization
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from the UN Security Council. And
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that that was the way things were now. And
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I remember thinking that well, that sure
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ain't right. And I know that you were on the side
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of the people who said at the end of the Cold
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War, that America should come home.
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Now,
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the other side of the argument, of course, one,
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and that side, the argument has been that they're the
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ones saving Western civilization, they're holding
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it down. They're holding back the hordes of
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the barbarian east and south and
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wherever,
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and keeping us safe. So
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I wonder if you
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have kind of an idea of how things might have played
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out, if they had listened to you say you would
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want an 88 and it had been up to you, or
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at least if the non interventionists
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had had sway instead of
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the George H. W. Bush internationalist
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types
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back 30 years ago at the end of the last
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Cold War.
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Civilization had
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remnants to it. And I think what the
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coup that I'm thinking about another group
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took it illegal group. took control
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of it. So not everything was
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destroyed. There's a lot of technology
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and all that's available. Unfortunately, it's
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used too often for wars than
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peace. But that to
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me was a big event.
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And of course, the first time
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we went to war without
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a declaration was with Truman in
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Korea. And that was
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a police action. So they called it something
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else. And
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you know the little story that I tell when I
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was trying to fight that resolution,
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give an open
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authority to go
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throughout the whole Middle East.
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And when I said, I
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was in the audit committee, I said, look, if you guys
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want to go to war, you ought to have the courage
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to vote for the war, and then they would
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win them, or something like that. And
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so I introduced the resolution to declare
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war. I said, you can be assured I won't
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vote for this, but you should do
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it if that's what you want. Boy, they went
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hysterical on that. And
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Henry Hyde, who was the chairman
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of the committee, he really
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tried to put me down by saying, well,
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we roll and Paul knows all about
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the Constitution. He thinks we should
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have a Constitution. Doesn't he know that
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that's anachronistic? We don't follow
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that part of the Constitution
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anymore. And I thought that
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statement says so much. And
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that is an attitude that was pervasive
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in the Congress the time I was there. I
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mean, just think of
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free markets and different things that everybody
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in Congress, practically, 90 percent
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of them, they never have heard
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of free market Austrian economics.
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They never introduced the idea of noninterventionism
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and foreign policy. So this
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has been a devastating
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thing. But things aren't going as
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well, because I
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think now the important thing is
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that 70, 80 percent of the people don't what
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the government tells us. So we're
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honest. So it's effort now to have a new
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lockdown. Let's hope
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that we've done our job to
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let the people
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know what they really ought to be paying attention
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to. And some days I think we're way ahead,
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but in the other days I worry because
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there's too much of that mob
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psychology that goes on that people
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can get frightened into doing things.
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Well, so to go back to the assassinations
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of the late sixties there, well of all
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the sixties there, if
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it had been Bobby Kennedy in 1971, would he
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not have also had to take us
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off of the gold standard? Was that a particularly
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Nixonian evil? Because I
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guess legendarily, the
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Austrians predicted at Bretton
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Woods that this is never going to work. You're going to
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have to give it up by 1971 or something
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very close to that, right?
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Yeah. And there's a little bit of argument.
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They probably weren't as well informed because that's
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one thing that I think in a positive way
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is that our understanding of free market economics
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and sound money is better than what the founders
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were dealing with.
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So no, they didn't have it, but the ordeal
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of doing it, let's say that I was put
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in a position like that and
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the solution was getting rid of the Federal Reserve.
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Well, if you do that with one strike
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at the pen and do it in one day, you may
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be doing the right thing, but you
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also might start a civil war because
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so many people are locked in. That's
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why there's some people who think maybe while
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we should do, the only argument
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I've ever heard up there is the Federal
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Reserve just doesn't have good managers. It's
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not that the principle is wrong,
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it's bad management. Even
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now we're starting to hear
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about the nature of money, just having a
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definition of the currency,
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the unit of account would go a long
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way. And that was the reason where I
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was starting.
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repeal all the legal tender laws and
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let the market decide what the
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unit of account should be. But
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there was no way it
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could be a smooth sailing. But
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then again, my argument for still
12:14
doing something is if you prolong
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it and keep building up the bubble,
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when the bubble will burst, it's
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going to be a lot worse. So if we
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really had enough people to gradually get
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off the system, it
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probably wouldn't work because
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the people are too dependent. But
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if they do this, people
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will rebel and there will be a real crisis
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coming. But the whole
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principle has to be changed and it has to
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be monetary. And
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one of the reasons why I picked up on that as an
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issue is when in 71 when
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I discovered the significance
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of this, it's the whole
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thing. If you happen to lean
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toward limited government and personal liberty,
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how is the enemy financed?
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Oh yeah, we have rich people
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who have been able to abuse the system and become
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billionaires and you get the sorrows and others
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and financing it. But it's the
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whole system that depends on our educational
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system. Now it's our medical system. Now
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it's gigantic government and all that.
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So that is the engine, the engine
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of the inflation and how it goes. And
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then with our political and
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our military power and the power
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of the reserve currency, we
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can
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dictate
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and put pressure. And we've
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had a lot of success in doing that since
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World War II, which is beginning to crack.
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That's what I see as the big issue
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now, because it cannot be maintained
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just like the gold standard
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couldn't be maintained. Or the pseudo
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gold standard, Bretton Woods, that's
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when I got interested in the 60s when a lot of
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people were writing about it. It can't work,
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it can't work. going to collapse. And
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then when it collapsed, it really rang a bell for
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me because the Austrians, you
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know, were right. But
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it's been patched together again, and
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people have become more dependent. So
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we've been able to use sanctions and bombs
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and weapons and all the threats and
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get away with a lot more than we deserve.
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And it's up to me. Yes,
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people say, well, we did better. We had,
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we bought a better house and different things that happened
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during that period of time. But
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I tell you what,
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if it's based on fake money,
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malinvestment and debt,
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the day comes
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when it has to be paid. And that's
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what we're seeing now. And that's where the
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rough time is going to come because I
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think there is serious talk about substituting
14:48
the dollar. But it's not going to be as easy
14:50
as some people think. Some people think,
14:51
oh, next month, the dollar and the dollar
14:53
will disappear. I
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don't think it's going to be that easy
14:56
because everybody else is so dependent
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on it. But the market will
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take care of that. And that's how that
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thing happened. The government
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no longer could support gold
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at $35 a month in 1971. So it was the market
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demanded it
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because we were running out of gold.
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So the market will
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work because the market right now is telling
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people why are
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they, why is the
15:23
corporations gouging us? Well, well,
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we have to do explain. They're not gouging us.
15:28
You're just seeing the expression of you
15:30
participating or being silent
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on what the government's been doing to our money.
15:35
And this has been inevitable
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and still going to be. They can't
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manage what we have just
15:45
by getting a different manager.
15:46
And they say, well, we're going to make you the chairman
15:48
of the Federal Reserve. It's not going to
15:50
work because
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nobody can manage it because
15:55
nobody knows what the interest rates
15:56
should be. So it goes on and on.
15:58
But the market, the market
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helps us out
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because we said it wouldn't work,
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you know, zero rate interest rates wouldn't work.
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And their goal was, well, we want 2% inflation,
16:09
right, which was crazy. And now
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we have probably a lot more than they will
16:14
admit to. And then when it gets to 15 and 20%,
16:17
more people will wake up. And well,
16:20
our goal has to be, is to
16:22
explain why big government, the printing
16:24
of money, and the people who benefit
16:26
and who gets the worst deal, the poor and
16:28
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16:30
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18:57
Well, Dr. Paul, I read in one
18:59
of your recent articles here, and it
19:01
was CBO numbers, I think you said
19:03
that they said that they expect
19:06
the national debt to
19:08
grow by as much as $115 trillion
19:13
more on top of the $30, $32 it is now over
19:15
the next 30 years. And I got to tell you,
19:20
I'm not really an economist or a math magician
19:22
or anything like that, and I'm not really sure,
19:25
but that seems like that
19:27
can't possibly work
19:28
because even at some
19:31
very low rate, which I
19:33
don't know if we're going to have those or not, but
19:35
even at a very low rate, interest payments
19:37
on that much principle
19:40
means that essentially every
19:42
bit that they're taxing the American people
19:44
for our blood, sweat, and tears is
19:46
just going to pay the interest on the debt to
19:48
some sovereign national government
19:51
somewhere or some kind of thing. And then
19:53
even then we might not be able to afford
19:55
that. Just the interest payments on the
19:57
thing.
19:59
that you're talking about is going
20:01
to be an explosion then, then
20:03
it may be required
20:07
immediate changes, which means that
20:09
there could be a lot more military conflict.
20:12
And just think of how many countries are loading
20:14
up with weapons, and we're
20:17
paying for most of them, because
20:19
they're still taking our dollars. So that's the deal.
20:22
We take our dollars, but
20:25
it's pretty interesting that Russia
20:27
and the Saudis
20:29
got together on the price of oil.
20:32
But that's the whole thing is political power
20:35
dictates prices, and they think they can
20:37
correct the problems and run things better.
20:39
But they don't know. Again,
20:43
if they come to me and they say, well, what do you think
20:45
the answer should be? And
20:47
I said, I have no idea what they should be. I can
20:49
guess at it, because under these circumstances,
20:52
I
20:53
imagine if you took 10 Austrian
20:56
economies to enforce them, I could guess.
20:58
I imagine you could get anything from 5% to 15%. But
21:02
it's all about interest rates, because even today,
21:05
even when they call the interest rates
21:07
are below zero, the
21:11
credit card interest rates were more
21:13
what the market tells us. And they're
21:15
very high. Again, our mortgage
21:19
rates are going up. So there's a point where
21:21
they do lose control. And
21:24
that's the scary part of it, because
21:27
they don't leave the show. It's not a lack
21:29
of good people
21:33
to run things, administrators. It's
21:35
a fact that they can't do it. They don't
21:37
know how. Nobody knows those answers.
21:40
That's why our free market is so valuable. It
21:43
sorts this out, because you have millions and millions
21:45
of people
21:45
participating in
21:47
the setting of interest rates and setting
21:50
of prices in the market. It's
21:53
something they should pay more attention to.
21:54
And I think one
21:57
thing that we like when we talk to young people
21:59
about this is... We don't use
22:01
the moral argument of this
22:03
is nothing more than counterfeit and
22:05
fraud and it leads to these troubles.
22:09
That to me is
22:11
the big issue that's going to get their attention. But
22:13
once again, as well as I
22:15
do, the choice then, if
22:17
there's chaos coming, who's going
22:19
to win the argument? Will it be
22:21
the people who are seeking truth or the people
22:23
who are the dialers that say, we can't find truth?
22:25
Will it be the truth tellers? So
22:29
nobody knows exactly what will happen,
22:31
but I don't know how massive
22:34
violence won't break up because
22:35
in a way, all the street people we have
22:37
now, it's of
22:39
course related to our borders
22:42
and
22:42
a lot of the policies. But
22:45
once again, the middle class is being wiped
22:48
out and it's just unbelievable
22:50
what we witnessed now today. And
22:54
we handle things. So
22:56
I think it's rough sailing, but
22:58
I keep telling people, and you've heard me say, it's
23:01
not really complicated. If you
23:03
do the right thing, if you opt for
23:05
liberty and get rid of the thugs,
23:07
get rid
23:08
of the authoritarians and get rid of the corporatists
23:11
who think that only they know what's
23:12
best for us, that's
23:15
the big job and that's
23:18
an intellectual job, an understanding
23:20
of people. Right now, our universities
23:23
are helpful to us. We have to
23:25
find other ways to get that messy
23:27
job.
23:28
Yeah. Well, Dr. Paul,
23:30
you know,
23:31
I guess I could imagine a hypothetical situation
23:34
where you had competent people run the empire, but
23:36
it's been Bushes and Clintons and McCains
23:39
and Bidens this whole time. And
23:41
well, at least since the end of the last Cold War
23:43
there. And they seem
23:46
to be, you know, not very competent
23:48
stewards of the empire, presuming
23:50
they're trying their best to maintain it here. And
23:53
I guess
23:54
the biggest example of that is the rise of the BRICS.
23:57
So that's Brazil, Russia,
23:59
India, China. China, South Africa,
24:01
and now many more of their friends
24:03
joining. And they lost Brazil,
24:06
but then they got them back there, I guess. And
24:10
so this is really, you
24:12
know, said to be at least, sir, the
24:15
biggest challenge to American dollar
24:17
hegemony, that they are
24:20
finding ways, I guess, as blowback
24:22
against all of America's varied sanctions
24:24
regimes, that they're just going to trade
24:27
in each other's currencies and leave
24:29
dollars alone. And then I guess
24:31
the threat, and you and I have talked about this for many
24:33
years, the threat would be that at
24:35
the
24:36
end of dollar hegemony, that basically
24:39
the whole world gives up on the dollar, and
24:41
they all come flying home.
24:43
And then
24:44
we have some kind of hyperinflation, crack
24:46
up boom
24:48
type scenario here in the United States.
24:50
Is that something that you think is likely at some point
24:53
in the short or medium term at all? And
24:56
the answer is back to the
24:58
clear and
25:00
beneficial answer, and that is just
25:02
let the people alone, give them their
25:04
liberty back again. You know, and
25:07
the one
25:08
decent example of what would
25:10
happen is looking at 1921, there was a
25:13
bad depression. It was GDP went down 15 percent.
25:17
But back in those days, they hadn't introduced Keynesianism.
25:21
So they didn't have the bail-off. They didn't have the welfare.
25:24
The people who suffered, I mean, there
25:26
was a lot of liquidation of debt, eliminate
25:29
the debt and the male investment, and
25:31
it was over in a year or so. But
25:33
that's not going to happen, so it's going
25:35
to, it will get worse. But
25:39
I think what we don't know is how
25:41
human action will work on this. But
25:43
if you can get bits and pieces of people
25:46
working in a voluntary way, they
25:49
say we just witnessed the
25:52
fact that two different
25:54
countries might team together for
25:57
various reasons, either for their own benefit.
26:00
or to get to us, and that is
26:02
Saudi Arabia and Russia getting together.
26:04
And I think there will be more of that, and I think you alluded
26:07
to that, that there'll be groups and things. And that'd
26:09
be all right. Maybe that's
26:11
the way it should be. You don't want to wait
26:13
until the United Nations reestablish
26:16
order and say, okay, yeah,
26:18
they're going to get rid of this. We've
26:20
just had another Bretton Woods Agreement,
26:23
and this is what we're going to do, and this is what the
26:25
new money is going to look like. And
26:27
they talk about that, too. It's
26:28
going to be a digital money, and we'll
26:30
have control of that. But
26:32
when people
26:34
ask me, what exactly should
26:36
I do? How am I going to preserve my wealth?
26:39
What do I do? How do I save my money? And
26:41
they're talking about financial savings.
26:44
I said, there's
26:46
a lot you have to think about, how
26:49
do you preserve your wealth? I said,
26:51
but the most important investment
26:53
anybody can make is investing
26:56
in the cause of liberty and to
26:58
get more and more people to understand what we're talking
27:00
about. Because you can have all the gold
27:03
and land in the world, but
27:06
if everybody sees you as the enemy and
27:09
the person that shouldn't
27:11
have so much, it's not going
27:14
to be very safe. So I think the
27:16
whole principle of liberty
27:18
and
27:18
why it's so beneficial, I mean,
27:20
this is the whole thing, is
27:23
the comparison of the two. Why
27:26
shouldn't we compare one of the
27:28
more libertarian societies
27:31
with what happened in the Soviet system?
27:34
Maybe it'll be in Argentina that we'll have a good
27:36
example. Let's hope.
27:38
Yeah. Well, you know what?
27:40
I know you don't like it when I say it, but I'm
27:42
compelled because it's the truth, and you always
27:45
taught me to tell the truth, Dr. Paul.
27:47
And that is I hold you in
27:49
regard as the greatest American hero for
27:52
the simple fact that you taught the most
27:54
people about peace and
27:56
liberty and real capitalist
27:59
Austrian school.
27:59
economics
28:02
more and better than anyone so
28:04
far. And we're all so
28:06
appreciative of it. And I'm so appreciative
28:08
of your time on the show today. Thank you, sir.
28:11
John, I know you're doing your part, so that's
28:13
great. It's great being with you again.
28:15
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28:22
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28:26
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