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Dr. Ron Paul on the Long Deliberate War on Our Liberties

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Dr. Ron Paul on the Long Deliberate War on Our Liberties

Dr. Ron Paul on the Long Deliberate War on Our Liberties

Dr. Ron Paul on the Long Deliberate War on Our Liberties

Dr. Ron Paul on the Long Deliberate War on Our Liberties

Saturday, 9th September 2023
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All

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right, y'all. Welcome to the Scott Horton Show. I'm

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the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial

0:15

director of Antiwar.com, author

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of the book Fool's Aaron, Time to End the

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War in Afghanistan, and the brand

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new Enough Already, Time to End

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the War on Terrorism. And I've recorded

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more than 5,500 interviews since 2003, almost all on foreign policy

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All right, you guys, on the line, I've

0:48

got the greatest American hero ever, Dr.

0:50

Ron Paul. Of course, former congressman

0:52

and presidential candidate, and he

0:56

is the co-host of the Liberty Report

0:58

Every Day with Dan McAdams and with Chris Rossini,

1:01

and he runs the Ron Paul Institute for

1:03

Peace and Prosperity, and

1:05

he wrote a bunch of books, The Revolution Manifesto,

1:08

Liberty Defined, End the Fed, Swords

1:11

into Plowshares, and he's got this brand new one out.

1:14

It's called The Great Surreptitious Coup,

1:16

Who Stole Western Civilization?

1:19

Brand new out. Welcome back to the show.

1:22

How are you doing, Dr. Paul? Doing well, thank you. Good

1:24

to be with you. Very happy to have you back on the

1:26

show here. So listen, I have a couple

1:29

of your recent articles I really want to talk to you about,

1:31

you know, regarding money and the empire and all

1:33

of that,

1:34

but first of all, I want to ask you a little bit about this

1:36

book. I did have a chance

1:38

to flip through it a little bit, and I see you got

1:41

some interesting stuff I didn't know about, Genghis Khan,

1:44

and some other stuff. You want to give us a little bit

1:46

of a rundown here? That's

1:49

a neat story, especially how

1:53

he was associated, or they linked him

1:55

to Jefferson after a struggle

1:57

on investigation. But anyway, to

1:59

see...

1:59

unique story. Very

2:02

cool. All right, but overall, so what's the book

2:04

about?

2:06

Well, it's surreptitious,

2:08

which

2:08

means it's silent. It's not like the coups

2:10

that we pull off. Everybody knows

2:12

about the coup in 1953 and around. They

2:14

know about the more

2:16

recent one, 2014 in Ukraine. And

2:18

we've done more. We have

2:21

a record on. We probably

2:26

have 150, if you count all the little

2:28

ones, all the times we've been involved. But

2:31

I was thinking about, because a lot of so many

2:33

people, in the last year or two, people

2:35

they started asking who stole

2:37

a Western civilization. And

2:39

of course, most people, including myself,

2:42

we think of Western civilization and

2:44

also the American Republic

2:47

as being part of it, a significant

2:50

part of the Western civilization.

2:52

And so I

2:56

date the coup not

2:58

so much as one event, as an ongoing

3:01

event. And it's 125

3:05

years when we got involved

3:08

in the progressive started,

3:10

and they started undermining and destroying

3:13

much of what came out of the Enlightenment

3:15

and our

3:15

Constitution and

3:17

the modern understanding of liberty.

3:22

But nobody knows a date. As

3:26

we've talked about this subject, people have come up

3:28

with different dates. And I imagine it's open

3:32

target. Pick any date you want, because they're all

3:34

so significant. I happened to key

3:37

in for personal reasons,

3:38

because I was very

3:40

much aware of what was going on in the 60s. I

3:42

had been drafting. I was

3:44

in

3:47

an area where Kennedy

3:50

came by the air base right in San Antonio,

3:52

where I was

3:53

the flight surgeon.

3:56

So I was very much involved. And

3:59

then it was in And even at that time,

4:01

I mean, I saw it as a total

4:03

disaster, but I didn't

4:05

place any type of significance

4:08

on it compared to what I do now, because

4:10

I think that was a big deal. And

4:12

then all of a sudden, the whole

4:14

decade was a big deal and continues

4:17

to be a big deal because

4:19

things change. And you say, well,

4:21

you know, our Department of Justice, our

4:23

CIA and FBI and others have

4:25

been participating

4:28

in assassinations and killing of our

4:31

leaders. This was going

4:33

by without hardly notice. Even now,

4:35

nobody places quite the emphasis

4:38

that I do on it. But

4:40

it also might fully explain

4:42

what has happened since then. Now look

4:45

at the Department of Justice.

4:46

But the

4:48

one place where I think Scott, we're making

4:50

some progress is back

4:52

then, even I, who was

4:55

very close to that situation,

4:58

I took it for granted. It was as well.

5:00

That was the explanation. That was it. So

5:02

it took

5:02

me a while to figure out what was going

5:04

on.

5:06

But it is something

5:08

that back then, not many people

5:10

thought about it in the big sense. And

5:13

even now, except for one thing, in

5:16

general, the American people

5:18

have lost

5:18

trust in their government because

5:20

of an accumulation of a lot of

5:22

nonsense. Maybe you're just in the civil liberties.

5:25

Maybe you're just into economic liberty

5:27

where the government gives all

5:30

these excuses and statistics

5:33

and claim we have to do this and that. Then

5:35

they get into medical things

5:37

like COVID. So people are starting

5:39

to say, hey, this is something.

5:42

But just think, if you compare only

5:45

the national

5:45

security state

5:49

coming out of the assassinations

5:52

of the United States, whether it was Jack Kennedy or Robert

5:54

Kennedy, you see here, or Martin

5:57

Luther King, even though it's

5:59

amazing. we went through the 60s, it

6:02

was a mess, it was horrible. But

6:04

nobody was saying, oh, there's been a coup,

6:06

we've lost control of our government. But

6:09

it was eroding, you know, for

6:11

years before that, that was a big event.

6:14

But I think it gave tremendous

6:16

power to our CIA. A lot

6:18

of people know it. But I don't think

6:21

people are quite at the

6:23

point where they realize that the only

6:25

solution would have to be is to get

6:27

rid of institutions like the CIA

6:29

and

6:29

the FBI, because they

6:33

destroy our liberty, they don't protect

6:35

us. Well, Dr. Paul,

6:37

when I was a freshman in high school, Bush

6:39

senior went to war in Iraq

6:41

War One or the Gulf War. And

6:44

even as a 15 year

6:46

old, I noticed, I took it as very important

6:48

that he said specifically,

6:51

that he didn't need any authorization from

6:53

Congress to go to war. And they ended

6:55

up authorizing it anyway. But he said he didn't

6:57

even need them to he had an authorization

6:59

from the UN Security Council. And

7:02

that that was the way things were now. And

7:04

I remember thinking that well, that sure

7:06

ain't right. And I know that you were on the side

7:09

of the people who said at the end of the Cold

7:11

War, that America should come home.

7:13

Now,

7:14

the other side of the argument, of course, one,

7:16

and that side, the argument has been that they're the

7:19

ones saving Western civilization, they're holding

7:21

it down. They're holding back the hordes of

7:23

the barbarian east and south and

7:25

wherever,

7:26

and keeping us safe. So

7:29

I wonder if you

7:31

have kind of an idea of how things might have played

7:33

out, if they had listened to you say you would

7:35

want an 88 and it had been up to you, or

7:38

at least if the non interventionists

7:41

had had sway instead of

7:43

the George H. W. Bush internationalist

7:46

types

7:47

back 30 years ago at the end of the last

7:49

Cold War.

7:51

Civilization had

7:53

remnants to it. And I think what the

7:56

coup that I'm thinking about another group

7:58

took it illegal group. took control

8:00

of it. So not everything was

8:03

destroyed. There's a lot of technology

8:05

and all that's available. Unfortunately, it's

8:07

used too often for wars than

8:10

peace. But that to

8:13

me was a big event.

8:15

And of course, the first time

8:17

we went to war without

8:19

a declaration was with Truman in

8:21

Korea. And that was

8:23

a police action. So they called it something

8:25

else. And

8:28

you know the little story that I tell when I

8:30

was trying to fight that resolution,

8:32

give an open

8:33

authority to go

8:35

throughout the whole Middle East.

8:37

And when I said, I

8:39

was in the audit committee, I said, look, if you guys

8:42

want to go to war, you ought to have the courage

8:44

to vote for the war, and then they would

8:46

win them, or something like that. And

8:49

so I introduced the resolution to declare

8:51

war. I said, you can be assured I won't

8:53

vote for this, but you should do

8:56

it if that's what you want. Boy, they went

8:58

hysterical on that. And

9:01

Henry Hyde, who was the chairman

9:02

of the committee, he really

9:04

tried to put me down by saying, well,

9:07

we roll and Paul knows all about

9:09

the Constitution. He thinks we should

9:11

have a Constitution. Doesn't he know that

9:14

that's anachronistic? We don't follow

9:16

that part of the Constitution

9:17

anymore. And I thought that

9:20

statement says so much. And

9:22

that is an attitude that was pervasive

9:25

in the Congress the time I was there. I

9:28

mean, just think of

9:31

free markets and different things that everybody

9:34

in Congress, practically, 90 percent

9:37

of them, they never have heard

9:39

of free market Austrian economics.

9:42

They never introduced the idea of noninterventionism

9:45

and foreign policy. So this

9:48

has been a devastating

9:50

thing. But things aren't going as

9:52

well, because I

9:54

think now the important thing is

9:57

that 70, 80 percent of the people don't what

10:00

the government tells us. So we're

10:02

honest. So it's effort now to have a new

10:04

lockdown. Let's hope

10:07

that we've done our job to

10:09

let the people

10:09

know what they really ought to be paying attention

10:12

to. And some days I think we're way ahead,

10:14

but in the other days I worry because

10:17

there's too much of that mob

10:19

psychology that goes on that people

10:22

can get frightened into doing things.

10:25

Well, so to go back to the assassinations

10:28

of the late sixties there, well of all

10:30

the sixties there, if

10:32

it had been Bobby Kennedy in 1971, would he

10:34

not have also had to take us

10:38

off of the gold standard? Was that a particularly

10:41

Nixonian evil? Because I

10:43

guess legendarily, the

10:46

Austrians predicted at Bretton

10:48

Woods that this is never going to work. You're going to

10:50

have to give it up by 1971 or something

10:52

very close to that, right?

10:55

Yeah. And there's a little bit of argument.

10:57

They probably weren't as well informed because that's

10:59

one thing that I think in a positive way

11:02

is that our understanding of free market economics

11:05

and sound money is better than what the founders

11:07

were dealing with.

11:08

So no, they didn't have it, but the ordeal

11:12

of doing it, let's say that I was put

11:14

in a position like that and

11:17

the solution was getting rid of the Federal Reserve.

11:19

Well, if you do that with one strike

11:22

at the pen and do it in one day, you may

11:24

be doing the right thing, but you

11:27

also might start a civil war because

11:30

so many people are locked in. That's

11:32

why there's some people who think maybe while

11:34

we should do, the only argument

11:36

I've ever heard up there is the Federal

11:39

Reserve just doesn't have good managers. It's

11:41

not that the principle is wrong,

11:43

it's bad management. Even

11:47

now we're starting to hear

11:49

about the nature of money, just having a

11:52

definition of the currency,

11:55

the unit of account would go a long

11:57

way. And that was the reason where I

11:59

was starting.

11:59

repeal all the legal tender laws and

12:02

let the market decide what the

12:04

unit of account should be. But

12:07

there was no way it

12:09

could be a smooth sailing. But

12:12

then again, my argument for still

12:14

doing something is if you prolong

12:17

it and keep building up the bubble,

12:19

when the bubble will burst, it's

12:23

going to be a lot worse. So if we

12:26

really had enough people to gradually get

12:29

off the system, it

12:31

probably wouldn't work because

12:34

the people are too dependent. But

12:36

if they do this, people

12:41

will rebel and there will be a real crisis

12:44

coming. But the whole

12:46

principle has to be changed and it has to

12:48

be monetary. And

12:50

one of the reasons why I picked up on that as an

12:52

issue is when in 71 when

12:54

I discovered the significance

12:55

of this, it's the whole

12:57

thing. If you happen to lean

13:00

toward limited government and personal liberty,

13:02

how is the enemy financed?

13:05

Oh yeah, we have rich people

13:07

who have been able to abuse the system and become

13:10

billionaires and you get the sorrows and others

13:12

and financing it. But it's the

13:15

whole system that depends on our educational

13:17

system. Now it's our medical system. Now

13:20

it's gigantic government and all that.

13:22

So that is the engine, the engine

13:25

of the inflation and how it goes. And

13:27

then with our political and

13:29

our military power and the power

13:31

of the reserve currency, we

13:34

can

13:34

dictate

13:35

and put pressure. And we've

13:38

had a lot of success in doing that since

13:40

World War II, which is beginning to crack.

13:43

That's what I see as the big issue

13:45

now, because it cannot be maintained

13:47

just like the gold standard

13:49

couldn't be maintained. Or the pseudo

13:52

gold standard, Bretton Woods, that's

13:54

when I got interested in the 60s when a lot of

13:56

people were writing about it. It can't work,

13:59

it can't work. going to collapse. And

14:01

then when it collapsed, it really rang a bell for

14:03

me because the Austrians, you

14:05

know, were right. But

14:08

it's been patched together again, and

14:10

people have become more dependent. So

14:12

we've been able to use sanctions and bombs

14:15

and weapons and all the threats and

14:17

get away with a lot more than we deserve.

14:20

And it's up to me. Yes,

14:22

people say, well, we did better. We had,

14:25

we bought a better house and different things that happened

14:27

during that period of time. But

14:30

I tell you what,

14:31

if it's based on fake money,

14:33

malinvestment and debt,

14:35

the day comes

14:38

when it has to be paid. And that's

14:40

what we're seeing now. And that's where the

14:42

rough time is going to come because I

14:44

think there is serious talk about substituting

14:48

the dollar. But it's not going to be as easy

14:50

as some people think. Some people think,

14:51

oh, next month, the dollar and the dollar

14:53

will disappear. I

14:55

don't think it's going to be that easy

14:56

because everybody else is so dependent

14:58

on it. But the market will

15:01

take care of that. And that's how that

15:02

thing happened. The government

15:05

no longer could support gold

15:07

at $35 a month in 1971. So it was the market

15:10

demanded it

15:11

because we were running out of gold.

15:14

So the market will

15:16

work because the market right now is telling

15:19

people why are

15:21

they, why is the

15:23

corporations gouging us? Well, well,

15:26

we have to do explain. They're not gouging us.

15:28

You're just seeing the expression of you

15:30

participating or being silent

15:33

on what the government's been doing to our money.

15:35

And this has been inevitable

15:40

and still going to be. They can't

15:42

manage what we have just

15:45

by getting a different manager.

15:46

And they say, well, we're going to make you the chairman

15:48

of the Federal Reserve. It's not going to

15:50

work because

15:53

nobody can manage it because

15:55

nobody knows what the interest rates

15:56

should be. So it goes on and on.

15:58

But the market, the market

16:01

helps us out

16:02

because we said it wouldn't work,

16:04

you know, zero rate interest rates wouldn't work.

16:06

And their goal was, well, we want 2% inflation,

16:09

right, which was crazy. And now

16:11

we have probably a lot more than they will

16:14

admit to. And then when it gets to 15 and 20%,

16:17

more people will wake up. And well,

16:20

our goal has to be, is to

16:22

explain why big government, the printing

16:24

of money, and the people who benefit

16:26

and who gets the worst deal, the poor and

16:28

the middle class, because it's nothing more than

16:30

a regressive tax.

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Well, Dr. Paul, I read in one

18:59

of your recent articles here, and it

19:01

was CBO numbers, I think you said

19:03

that they said that they expect

19:06

the national debt to

19:08

grow by as much as $115 trillion

19:13

more on top of the $30, $32 it is now over

19:15

the next 30 years. And I got to tell you,

19:20

I'm not really an economist or a math magician

19:22

or anything like that, and I'm not really sure,

19:25

but that seems like that

19:27

can't possibly work

19:28

because even at some

19:31

very low rate, which I

19:33

don't know if we're going to have those or not, but

19:35

even at a very low rate, interest payments

19:37

on that much principle

19:40

means that essentially every

19:42

bit that they're taxing the American people

19:44

for our blood, sweat, and tears is

19:46

just going to pay the interest on the debt to

19:48

some sovereign national government

19:51

somewhere or some kind of thing. And then

19:53

even then we might not be able to afford

19:55

that. Just the interest payments on the

19:57

thing.

19:59

that you're talking about is going

20:01

to be an explosion then, then

20:03

it may be required

20:07

immediate changes, which means that

20:09

there could be a lot more military conflict.

20:12

And just think of how many countries are loading

20:14

up with weapons, and we're

20:17

paying for most of them, because

20:19

they're still taking our dollars. So that's the deal.

20:22

We take our dollars, but

20:25

it's pretty interesting that Russia

20:27

and the Saudis

20:29

got together on the price of oil.

20:32

But that's the whole thing is political power

20:35

dictates prices, and they think they can

20:37

correct the problems and run things better.

20:39

But they don't know. Again,

20:43

if they come to me and they say, well, what do you think

20:45

the answer should be? And

20:47

I said, I have no idea what they should be. I can

20:49

guess at it, because under these circumstances,

20:52

I

20:53

imagine if you took 10 Austrian

20:56

economies to enforce them, I could guess.

20:58

I imagine you could get anything from 5% to 15%. But

21:02

it's all about interest rates, because even today,

21:05

even when they call the interest rates

21:07

are below zero, the

21:11

credit card interest rates were more

21:13

what the market tells us. And they're

21:15

very high. Again, our mortgage

21:19

rates are going up. So there's a point where

21:21

they do lose control. And

21:24

that's the scary part of it, because

21:27

they don't leave the show. It's not a lack

21:29

of good people

21:33

to run things, administrators. It's

21:35

a fact that they can't do it. They don't

21:37

know how. Nobody knows those answers.

21:40

That's why our free market is so valuable. It

21:43

sorts this out, because you have millions and millions

21:45

of people

21:45

participating in

21:47

the setting of interest rates and setting

21:50

of prices in the market. It's

21:53

something they should pay more attention to.

21:54

And I think one

21:57

thing that we like when we talk to young people

21:59

about this is... We don't use

22:01

the moral argument of this

22:03

is nothing more than counterfeit and

22:05

fraud and it leads to these troubles.

22:09

That to me is

22:11

the big issue that's going to get their attention. But

22:13

once again, as well as I

22:15

do, the choice then, if

22:17

there's chaos coming, who's going

22:19

to win the argument? Will it be

22:21

the people who are seeking truth or the people

22:23

who are the dialers that say, we can't find truth?

22:25

Will it be the truth tellers? So

22:29

nobody knows exactly what will happen,

22:31

but I don't know how massive

22:34

violence won't break up because

22:35

in a way, all the street people we have

22:37

now, it's of

22:39

course related to our borders

22:42

and

22:42

a lot of the policies. But

22:45

once again, the middle class is being wiped

22:48

out and it's just unbelievable

22:50

what we witnessed now today. And

22:54

we handle things. So

22:56

I think it's rough sailing, but

22:58

I keep telling people, and you've heard me say, it's

23:01

not really complicated. If you

23:03

do the right thing, if you opt for

23:05

liberty and get rid of the thugs,

23:07

get rid

23:08

of the authoritarians and get rid of the corporatists

23:11

who think that only they know what's

23:12

best for us, that's

23:15

the big job and that's

23:18

an intellectual job, an understanding

23:20

of people. Right now, our universities

23:23

are helpful to us. We have to

23:25

find other ways to get that messy

23:27

job.

23:28

Yeah. Well, Dr. Paul,

23:30

you know,

23:31

I guess I could imagine a hypothetical situation

23:34

where you had competent people run the empire, but

23:36

it's been Bushes and Clintons and McCains

23:39

and Bidens this whole time. And

23:41

well, at least since the end of the last Cold War

23:43

there. And they seem

23:46

to be, you know, not very competent

23:48

stewards of the empire, presuming

23:50

they're trying their best to maintain it here. And

23:53

I guess

23:54

the biggest example of that is the rise of the BRICS.

23:57

So that's Brazil, Russia,

23:59

India, China. China, South Africa,

24:01

and now many more of their friends

24:03

joining. And they lost Brazil,

24:06

but then they got them back there, I guess. And

24:10

so this is really, you

24:12

know, said to be at least, sir, the

24:15

biggest challenge to American dollar

24:17

hegemony, that they are

24:20

finding ways, I guess, as blowback

24:22

against all of America's varied sanctions

24:24

regimes, that they're just going to trade

24:27

in each other's currencies and leave

24:29

dollars alone. And then I guess

24:31

the threat, and you and I have talked about this for many

24:33

years, the threat would be that at

24:35

the

24:36

end of dollar hegemony, that basically

24:39

the whole world gives up on the dollar, and

24:41

they all come flying home.

24:43

And then

24:44

we have some kind of hyperinflation, crack

24:46

up boom

24:48

type scenario here in the United States.

24:50

Is that something that you think is likely at some point

24:53

in the short or medium term at all? And

24:56

the answer is back to the

24:58

clear and

25:00

beneficial answer, and that is just

25:02

let the people alone, give them their

25:04

liberty back again. You know, and

25:07

the one

25:08

decent example of what would

25:10

happen is looking at 1921, there was a

25:13

bad depression. It was GDP went down 15 percent.

25:17

But back in those days, they hadn't introduced Keynesianism.

25:21

So they didn't have the bail-off. They didn't have the welfare.

25:24

The people who suffered, I mean, there

25:26

was a lot of liquidation of debt, eliminate

25:29

the debt and the male investment, and

25:31

it was over in a year or so. But

25:33

that's not going to happen, so it's going

25:35

to, it will get worse. But

25:39

I think what we don't know is how

25:41

human action will work on this. But

25:43

if you can get bits and pieces of people

25:46

working in a voluntary way, they

25:49

say we just witnessed the

25:52

fact that two different

25:54

countries might team together for

25:57

various reasons, either for their own benefit.

26:00

or to get to us, and that is

26:02

Saudi Arabia and Russia getting together.

26:04

And I think there will be more of that, and I think you alluded

26:07

to that, that there'll be groups and things. And that'd

26:09

be all right. Maybe that's

26:11

the way it should be. You don't want to wait

26:13

until the United Nations reestablish

26:16

order and say, okay, yeah,

26:18

they're going to get rid of this. We've

26:20

just had another Bretton Woods Agreement,

26:23

and this is what we're going to do, and this is what the

26:25

new money is going to look like. And

26:27

they talk about that, too. It's

26:28

going to be a digital money, and we'll

26:30

have control of that. But

26:32

when people

26:34

ask me, what exactly should

26:36

I do? How am I going to preserve my wealth?

26:39

What do I do? How do I save my money? And

26:41

they're talking about financial savings.

26:44

I said, there's

26:46

a lot you have to think about, how

26:49

do you preserve your wealth? I said,

26:51

but the most important investment

26:53

anybody can make is investing

26:56

in the cause of liberty and to

26:58

get more and more people to understand what we're talking

27:00

about. Because you can have all the gold

27:03

and land in the world, but

27:06

if everybody sees you as the enemy and

27:09

the person that shouldn't

27:11

have so much, it's not going

27:14

to be very safe. So I think the

27:16

whole principle of liberty

27:18

and

27:18

why it's so beneficial, I mean,

27:20

this is the whole thing, is

27:23

the comparison of the two. Why

27:26

shouldn't we compare one of the

27:28

more libertarian societies

27:31

with what happened in the Soviet system?

27:34

Maybe it'll be in Argentina that we'll have a good

27:36

example. Let's hope.

27:38

Yeah. Well, you know what?

27:40

I know you don't like it when I say it, but I'm

27:42

compelled because it's the truth, and you always

27:45

taught me to tell the truth, Dr. Paul.

27:47

And that is I hold you in

27:49

regard as the greatest American hero for

27:52

the simple fact that you taught the most

27:54

people about peace and

27:56

liberty and real capitalist

27:59

Austrian school.

27:59

economics

28:02

more and better than anyone so

28:04

far. And we're all so

28:06

appreciative of it. And I'm so appreciative

28:08

of your time on the show today. Thank you, sir.

28:11

John, I know you're doing your part, so that's

28:13

great. It's great being with you again.

28:15

The Scott Horton Show and Antiwar Radio can

28:18

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28:22

Antiwar.com,

28:26

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