Ron Miscavige is the father of David Miscavige, the current leader of the Church of Scientology. He is also the author of the New York Times bestseller, "Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me." In this episode, he tells us of his stunning escape from the Church, gives us breathtaking accounts of what it was like to be part of it for decades, and recounts the riveting—and often heartbreaking—story of his life and his relationship with his son. We draw parallels with mainstream religions, including Islam, and talk about how destructive faith and religion can be, all the way down to the level of ripping apart families and our very sense of self. Listen to our conversation.

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