This week, legendary graphic designer Michael Bierut joins Felix Salmon and Emily Peck to discuss the late Bernie Madoff and his relation to the Coinbase direct listing, the concept of vaccine passports, and print media versus digital media. 

In the Plus segment: Logos.

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Podcast production by Jessamine Molli.

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