On this episode I speak with one of Portland's most thorough activists, Mac Smiff. Mac has been fighting to defund the police years before it became a slogan. We discuss the current obstacles that Portland must overcome with a mayor and city council who can't seem to defund at the rate that Mac and many others would like to see. We discuss everything from freedom, to solidarity, to the US potentially being a 3rd world country, and much more... Be empowered, be inspired, be enlightened!

Show notes:

7:50 - Foundations of Mac’s “defund the police” style of activism9:50 - Ted Wheeler tings17:50 - Mac’s plan to actualize the goal of defunding the police25:20 - Freedom > Solidarity30:40 - How do we produce justice and constructive change despite the mayor’s reluctance to defund PPB37:54 - Black solidarity > allies43:45 - capitol riot reaction49:13 - Is Portland over1:02:00 - Is the United States a 3rd world country?1:12:43 - Unity does not require uniformity1:24:28 - Fab 5 questions