Kevin drives up to Berkley to meet up with environmentalist turned Gubernatorial candidate Michael Shellenberger. Michael is the founder of Environmental Progress, a non-profit devoted to well, environmental progress. Much like Kevin, Michael see nuclear energy as a critical part of growing the economy and standard of living of California and beyond. Is this episode hilarious? Meh, not really, but covers pretty serious stuff and Shellenberger is definitely a serious contender for the biggest state in The Union.