Talking Bull travels to WUNC's studio in Chapel Hill, NC, to spend some time with Pheobe Judge and Lauren Spohrer, creators and producers of Criminal Podcast. Criminal is about stories of people who've done wrong, been wronged, or gotten caught somewhere in the middle. It is an award-winning podcast with millions of listeners. Phoebe and Lauren were awesome guests and we hope our podcast grows up to be like theirs one day. Check out their new episode, "Don't Let Me Catch You in the Whirl," or, my favorite, "Episode 49: The Editor."Special thanks to Shirlette Ammons for letting us use her song, "Dear Nora," off her new album Language Barrier. As always, peace and love to our friends from Hardworker band, their songs "Born Homsick" and "Creature Time" bookend the episode.