John and RJ sit down to talk with one of the lions of the field of psychotherapy, Dr. Moe Gelbart. An administrator, therapist and businessman, Dr. Gelbart recounts a long and successful career in psychotherapy and gives the boys insight into how he's helped people and made a good living in psychotherapy. 

This episode is exclusively sponsored by Ben Caldwell Labs, creating a more empowered, more effective generation of psychotherapists. Check them out at www.bencaldwelllabs.com.