This is a somewhat chaotic conversation involving Kyle Thiermann (big wave surfer), Mark Healey (surfing legend), Ben Greenfield (fitness guru), and a little bit of me (flabby imposter). It was recorded on the island of Molokai, Hawaii, at the end of a week-long hunting trip.

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Music: “Brightside of the Sun,” by Basin and Range; “Canto para Elewa y Changó,” by Orishas; “Smoke Alarm,” by Carsie Blanton.

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