This week we talk to Joshua Toomey of the Talk Toomey Podcast about playing in Primer 55, almost playing in Pressure 4-5, and interviewing Wes Borland on his podcast Talk Toomey

Also, we revisit KISS and their 1983 single Lick It Up, their first appearance without makeup and what counterintuitively helped reignite their career.

Music We Like: KISS - Destroyer, Artimus Pyle - Fucked From Birth, Bad Wolves - Disobey, A$AP Rocky - Testing