The following is a conversation between Dr. Michael McAfee, President and CEO of PolicyLink, and Denver Frederick, the Host of The Business of Giving.

PolicyLink is a national research and action institute advancing racial and economic equity. It works to help restructure democracy in the economy to benefit everyone, lift up work done by communities of color, and to put people first by making the scale and duration of relief match the scale and duration of the need. And here to discuss this work and their vision for the future, it's a pleasure to have with us, Dr. Michael McAfee, the president and CEO of PolicyLink.