In this episode, NACDL Executive Director Norman L. Reimer sits down (virtually) with Founder and Executive Director of Civil Rights Corps Alec Karakatsanis to discuss his book Usual Cruelty: The Complicity of Lawyers in the Criminal Injustice System. Karakatsanis’ book offers a timely critique of the criminal “injustice system” and those who consciously or unconsciously uphold it. Learn more about NACDL. Norman L. Reimer, guest host. Music West Bank (Lezet) / CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 and Walkabout (Digital Primitives) / CC BY-NC-ND 3.0.