On The Gist, treason and bribery. In the interview, Irish writer and critic Fintan O’Toole talks to Mike about Brexit, the nationalist wave sweeping England, and country’s future without the European Union. His book The Politics of Pain: Postwar England and the Rise of Nationalism is out now. In the Spiel, scandals and apologies.Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices