Today's episode is a journalistic piece, a response to a clip from NPR's "This American Life" where Professor Elaine Pagels states that Jesus' death on the cross was an utter failure. We decided to examine the question: Was the Cross Jesus' greatest failure, or His greatest victory? In this episode, you'll hear from pastor Wavey Cowper, Apologist Thomas Fretwell, as well as selected clips from pastor Cameron Heger (Door of Hope), musician Tinika Wyatt, and pastor Josh Kouri (Frontline Church). We hope this content equips you as you continue to study and follow the Way of Jesus.