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welcome back. Hey, how are you, Megan? Great to

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be back. I'm good. I'm good. All

2:46

right, so last night I watched some of the debate and

2:49

I switched back and forth to the Fox News Town

2:51

Hall with Trump. I didn't even know

2:53

there was a debate until my two co-moderators from

2:55

the last debate, Eliana and Elizabeth, texted me saying,

2:57

are you watching this? I was like, oh, shit,

2:59

I forgot there's a debate. I'm

3:02

not going to lie. I found it kind

3:04

of boring. I missed

3:06

Vivek and Chris Christie. I did

3:08

because they stir things up, you

3:10

know, like they kept it fiery.

3:12

And it was a little bored.

3:14

And just watching the two of

3:16

them nitpick and argue, they

3:18

were kind of annoying. I just didn't like the way I

3:21

felt. It was just like, well, you,

3:23

back and forth, back and forth, Anyway,

3:27

I didn't have a lot of tolerance for it. They

3:29

show over to Trump and

3:31

it was a very different experience. He

3:33

was on. He

3:36

was, he brought his A game. He

3:38

was funny. He was magnanimous. He

3:40

was sort of making fun where it

3:42

was appropriate. And look,

3:45

to be honest, Brett and Martha did not

3:47

ask him a lot of tough questions. They had a couple,

3:49

but so it was an easy forum for him

3:52

to charm people. And the audience was full of

3:54

Trump supporters and charm them. He did. So part

3:56

of it, you know, guys, to me, it was

3:58

like underscored. the intelligence of

4:00

Trump's decision to skip all the debates, where

4:03

like the rest of the candidates will

4:05

just be fighting with each other, about each other,

4:07

and he will be above it all being

4:10

charming, dealing directly with the

4:12

voters, not getting asked the toughest

4:14

questions and sailing his way to

4:16

the nomination. So what did you guys think?

4:19

Now, look, I think your overall explanation

4:21

of what it is that you're experienced

4:24

as a viewer is probably what the

4:26

vast majority of Americans experienced as viewers,

4:28

if they chose to view either of

4:30

these things at all. Both

4:34

Haley and DeSantis obviously would love the

4:36

contrast to be able to do a

4:38

town hall on Fox while their opponents

4:40

are tearing each other apart. So

4:43

clearly, former President Trump had a huge advantage

4:45

in terms of just what it all looked

4:47

and felt like. I mean, he's talking about

4:50

stuff he wants to talk about and doing

4:52

it in a comfortable arena, whereas these guys,

4:54

they're in a blood sport battle at this point.

4:57

But I do think the hype coming into

4:59

it, I agree with you. It's

5:01

almost like, oh, that's right. There was a

5:03

debate tonight. I mean, all the other ones

5:05

previously, there was some build to and there

5:07

was some anticipation for and this

5:09

one, it didn't feel like it. I don't think it's

5:11

just because the stage got smaller. It's that, boy,

5:14

these arguments are pretty well litigated at this point.

5:16

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good

5:18

point is it feels like

5:20

this primary has been going on for five years

5:23

at this point. And

5:26

I think everyone has basically all the candidates

5:28

have had their opportunity to basically shape themselves

5:30

as I'm the candidate of this, I'm the

5:32

candidate of this. And you

5:34

saw that on display last night, the debate

5:36

between Haley and DeSantis, where, you

5:39

know, they're essentially, like you said, making the

5:41

same argument over and over. I

5:43

just want I tuned in specifically because I

5:45

think it's a bit more unique of a

5:47

situation than Trump has faced before where going

5:50

into Iowa, essentially, it's

5:52

Trump and two people fighting to go one

5:55

on one with him. In

5:58

2016, there were still what, like, four. people going

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into Iowa. If

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this field winnows even further,

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then I think things really get interesting. Well, yeah,

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I mean, that's the thing. Smug, you're absolutely 100%

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right. The visual

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and the demonstration, if you're Nikki

6:18

or you're Ron, yeah, you don't love that Trump got

6:20

his solo town hall at the same time you were

6:22

doing this. But who would have

6:24

thought before Iowa, we

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basically have the consensus

6:29

beat. It's one

6:31

of these two people who are going to

6:33

go mano a mano with Donald Trump. So

6:35

I mean, you got to

6:37

feel good that it's working out that way

6:39

if you're in either of those two camps, because we're

6:41

going to get some votes here really soon, and

6:44

there's going to be some actual truth to

6:46

who that candidate is going to be. No

6:48

question. Yeah, but as a spectator, I mean,

6:50

I think all of us would be lying

6:52

if we said we weren't disappointed that Donald

6:54

Trump's not participating in these debates. I mean,

6:56

he is very good. We all saw that

6:58

play out in Technicolor in 2015. But

7:02

you have heard it, Megan, we've heard this over

7:04

and over from the Trump team, Susie Wiles

7:06

and Chris LaSivita. They say we're

7:08

running to win an election, not

7:11

to entertain people. And

7:13

that sort of discipline is something that is not

7:16

entirely new. It's a little bit new in the

7:18

Trump campaign. And so it's probably one of the

7:20

secrets to their success this time around. Yes. I

7:23

couldn't agree more. So Chris Christie was not on

7:25

the stage because he announced

7:27

yesterday at five that he's

7:30

dropping out. Here's a little bit

7:32

of how that sounded in

7:34

SATU. And

7:37

it's clear to me tonight that

7:39

there isn't a path for

7:42

me to win the nomination, which

7:44

is why I'm suspending my

7:46

campaign tonight for President of the

7:48

United States. He says, I want to promise you this. I

7:52

am going to make sure that in no

7:54

way do I enable Donald

7:57

Trump to ever be President of the

7:59

United States again. And that's

8:02

more important than my own personal ambition. So

8:07

what is that about? I mean, first of all, Chris

8:10

Christie was desperate to

8:13

have a job with Trump and was very

8:15

much in team Trump's camp

8:18

until Trump kind of turned on him. So

8:20

I like Chris Christie. I still think he's

8:23

a good man. And I just, you

8:25

know, his moral sanctimony for me is a little bit

8:28

much because he was begging to work for Trump. If

8:30

you don't think he would have taken a position as

8:32

AG in the Trump administration, you haven't been paying attention.

8:34

But Jared Kushner can't stand him because he

8:36

put Jared Kushner's dad in prison when

8:39

he was AG of New Jersey.

8:41

Whatever. They all signed a sanctimony

8:43

in the end. So he

8:46

bails. And why did he bail? Because of New

8:48

Hampshire, because how tight it is between Nikki and

8:50

Trump and the thought that if his

8:52

10 to 12 percent New Hampshire goes to Nikki,

8:55

she could actually take Trump out. Well,

8:58

look, look, I give Christie a

9:00

lot of credit here, because before this campaign started,

9:02

he came on ruthless a couple of times. We

9:04

had an opportunity to talk to him on and

9:06

off air about why he would

9:08

consider running for president, knowing sort of the

9:10

ideological makeup of the electorate, knowing it would

9:12

be a tough road to

9:14

hope for him. And what he said

9:16

was, I don't think anybody's going to draw

9:19

the necessary contrast with this president in

9:21

a primary. And I think that's my role. And

9:23

he said almost word for word

9:26

what he said last night, that

9:28

he doesn't want to enable another

9:30

president, another President Trump. So

9:32

at the end of

9:34

it, clearly, that's where his campaign was

9:36

in taking the 10 to

9:38

12 percent New Hampshire in particular, his

9:41

demographic of voters are people who would vote

9:43

for almost anybody, I think, other than former

9:46

President Trump. So where they scatter, I don't know.

9:48

And I know he's had some things to say

9:50

about that too. But if there

9:52

is a legitimately close race, which there appears

9:54

to be now eight, nine polls in New

9:56

Hampshire showing a single digit race between Nikki

9:58

Haley and the former. president and he's

10:00

taken 10, 12% off the

10:02

top of that, he would be enabling a

10:05

former president Trump if he didn't step aside,

10:07

which I think, look, it's logical. You know,

10:09

ego gets in the way of candidates that

10:11

are running for president all the time, but

10:13

it really didn't here for Chris Christie. And

10:15

for that, I give him credit for getting

10:17

in and getting out in the exact same

10:20

terms. Yeah,

10:22

I mean, perfectly. But before, before

10:24

you start to feel all warm and

10:26

fuzzy about Chris Christie and his like,

10:28

yeah, he's helping lay the path for

10:31

Nikki Haley to overcome big bad Trump.

10:34

Listen to the leaked audio. The

10:37

hot mic moment where he was discussing, I guess this

10:39

was right before he made his announcement and

10:41

he got caught on a mic talking to reporters

10:43

about what he was about to do and how

10:45

he saw the landscape and hears that and saw it

10:47

one. Yeah, I mean,

10:49

look, she spent 68 million so far. She's on TV.

10:52

She spent 16 million so far, 59

10:55

million by DeSantis and we spent 12.

10:58

I mean, who's punching above their weight and who's getting

11:00

a return on their investment, you know, and

11:03

she's going to get smoked. And you and I both know

11:05

what she's on up to this. She's

11:08

still 20 points. We got a Trump in the wheelchair,

11:10

right? Oh, yeah. And she's going to carry out. Yes,

11:13

always. I talked

11:15

to DeSantis calling me petrified.

11:18

He's probably getting out of half of the aisle.

11:22

And you're like, keep going. What

11:24

happened to the baby? Right? I

11:30

have to assume that the rest of that

11:32

sentence is petrified that I was going to

11:34

endorse Nikki, you know, and

11:36

that. Yeah. And then 3% he

11:39

still has in Iowa would likely

11:41

migrate towards her. And

11:43

then he might be in a position where he comes in third

11:45

in Iowa. And that's a real tough look for a guy who's

11:48

invested so much in this state. You

11:50

know, I like Chris too, but

11:52

the idea that Nikki is going to

11:54

get smoked by Trump and

11:56

she's trailing him, she spent all this money. Well, yeah, I

11:58

mean, she's been running a campaign in multiple. States

12:01

like Chris has been essentially running a

12:03

one state primary in New Hampshire

12:06

and he did a good job You know, I

12:08

mean like he he had The

12:11

polling in the state to get him on the debate stage

12:13

numerous times he made the argument he wanted to make But

12:16

yeah, I mean Yeah, maybe

12:18

maybe nikki will lose to trump. Maybe she

12:20

has a 10 chance Well,

12:22

I mean chris doesn't have a 10 chance like

12:24

at the end of the day. That's the truth

12:27

I don't know if you saw this president trump

12:29

actually reacted to this at his town hall last

12:31

night And he was like i'm starting to like

12:33

chris a lot more We

12:36

do we have that he was speculating about

12:39

his uh vice they were asking about his vice

12:41

presidential Choice, and

12:43

I think it's in that sound bite. Let's listen Who

12:47

would be in the running for vice president? Well,

12:49

I can't tell you that really I mean, I know Who

12:52

it's going to be give us a hint i'll give you

12:54

we'll do another show sometime Well, what about any of

12:56

the people who you've run against would do

12:58

be open demanding fences with? I

13:01

will I've already started like christy better Chrissy

13:08

Chrissy for vice president I

13:11

don't see it. I don't see that would be an

13:13

upset christy for vice president. You know, gentlemen i'd like

13:15

to announce now Very

13:20

quick I have a theory.

13:23

I think chris intentionally had the hot mic on

13:26

Oh My thinking is I mean he's

13:28

a pro he knows what he's doing and

13:31

he wanted that to happen I think he wanted

13:33

to leave on his own terms

13:35

like yes the you know official announcement. He'll

13:37

take the high road He'll be the statesman

13:40

But he wanted to go out on his own terms and I

13:42

think he knew that mic was on Interesting.

13:44

I mean could be the one thing you get

13:46

with chris is he tells you exactly what's on

13:48

his mind at all times Yeah, right. I mean

13:50

that's the beauty or you love it or you

13:52

hate it about chris christy and you just ask

13:55

Do you think you're gonna come out today and say

13:58

publicly she's gonna get smoked? She's

14:00

not up to this. I don't think

14:02

so. I bet if he was in

14:04

front of a microphone, he would have some variation

14:06

over it. But look, he's not going to... Chris

14:09

will go away. I don't think

14:11

he wants to be the guy who's

14:13

mediating the 10, 12% of his

14:15

own electorate. I could be wrong about

14:17

that. But it seems like if you listen to

14:19

what he said up to this moment, what he

14:22

said is it's insulting to suggest that my voters

14:24

would just automatically migrate to one

14:26

candidate or another. I think he believes that.

14:29

Yeah, I mean, you kind of... But do we believe

14:31

that? Don't we all know that they're going to Nikki Haley for

14:33

the most part? I mean, most of his

14:35

voters are Democrats and independents because

14:37

they can vote in New Hampshire's

14:39

primary on the GOP side. It's

14:42

not Republicans. If

14:44

it is, it's never Trumpers. And she's

14:46

the candidate of choice of the

14:49

less conservative voters like you see in

14:52

New Hampshire. Who would be supporting

14:54

him? Yeah, it's also possible

14:56

they just stay home though, right? If they're not

14:58

supporting Chris, they might

15:00

just stay home. It's possible that they support

15:02

Nikki Haley and that's enough to sort of

15:04

get her over the top on Trump in

15:07

New Hampshire. But sort of back to the Trump

15:09

clip, what I love about that clip is

15:11

it's a couple of things. Number one, Donald

15:14

Trump is the master of publicity and understanding when he

15:16

has something people want, you know? And I love that

15:18

he in that clip is like, well, I'll come back

15:20

and do another event when I have it enough. I'm

15:23

not going to give it away to

15:25

you for free. You know, like that's

15:27

not how he ever operated

15:29

his entire life. And then

15:31

what I also love about it is the charm and the

15:33

humor of the Christie thing. I love him. I'm

15:35

not liking Christie. You

15:37

know, and he weaves that chunk together.

15:40

That's the thing. Like I tweeted this out

15:43

last night. I was watching Nikki and Ron

15:45

and you're like, okay, you know, they're fighting

15:47

policy. Mostly it was just kind of a lot of cat fighting.

15:49

I have to say it was kind of it was a turn off, as

15:51

I said. But on some things, you're

15:53

like, okay, they're they're making some progress. They're point

15:55

counterpoint. They're fighting for it. I get it.

15:57

Last two standing and they go

15:59

like, who knows? And then you turn over to

16:01

Fox, you're like, it's done. It's done.

16:03

Look at this guy. And I'm not

16:05

saying it's necessarily the right thing for the Republican

16:08

Party or the country, but it's

16:10

just – it's done. Look

16:12

at Trump. He's just – whatever

16:14

you think of the man you can't deny, he's

16:16

like a walking ball of charisma. It

16:19

doesn't just – it just sort of

16:21

– it sort of just reflects where

16:23

the Republican primary electorate is right now.

16:25

They want to be entertained. The substance

16:27

is the secondary or tertiary requirement

16:29

for who they want to

16:31

be the nominee. I mean, that's just a fact. Like

16:33

Donald Trump in that town hall

16:36

said Ron DeSantis was the biggest

16:38

fan of Anthony Fauci, which is just like –

16:40

Oh, wait. We have that. We have

16:42

that. Let's talk about that because that is the other

16:44

thing with Trump. If you stay tuned long enough, you

16:46

really listen to what he's saying, you're like, well,

16:49

that's not true. Well, that's not

16:51

true. Well, that also is not true. And

16:53

this is one of the examples of that.

16:56

I own a small business and time

16:58

is money. Would you ever

17:01

allow a shutdown in the future? No,

17:03

I wouldn't. And I never did. I let

17:05

the governors make their decisions. Florida did shut

17:07

down. Ron DeSantis shut down. He shut us

17:10

state down very violently, actually, and shut the

17:12

highways down, the roads down. I'm a federalist,

17:14

in a sense, because that's the federalist way.

17:16

No, I didn't actually have a shutdown, despite

17:18

the fact that some people wanted to and

17:21

some people didn't want to. But if you

17:23

go back and look at the records, you

17:25

will see that the biggest fan of Dr.

17:27

Fauci was Ron DeSantis. He was a big

17:29

fan. He said, I go

17:32

by – exactly quote – I

17:34

go by what Dr. Fauci said. He said that

17:36

two months in, all the way through, and

17:39

then eventually changed when it wasn't – you know, that

17:41

wasn't the dessert of the day. Dr.

17:43

Fauci was not a

17:45

huge factor in my administration. Go ahead,

17:49

Don. I love seeing that

17:51

so much. Why? Because it's just not telling

17:53

the truth? Because it's funny. Because it's fun.

17:55

I love that. I think

17:58

that entertainment value is so critical. It's

18:00

like the spoonful of medicine or the spoonful of sugar

18:02

helps the medicine go down and Trump has that in

18:04

spades like he can Are

18:08

you positing that there he's trying to entertain us

18:10

because there I think he's trying to lie When

18:13

he says he's not the dessert of the day

18:15

like all this is just hilariousness. I mean, he's

18:18

very funny No question about it, but it's very

18:20

funny. Okay, but like I'm quick to say

18:22

Trump's funny word He's funny, but that was

18:24

a lie like Trump not true. Yeah, right

18:26

It's it well, just give you one

18:28

compilation that we pulled from Right

18:32

on the time was March of 2020 clips

18:35

at when he did he absolutely ordered

18:37

15 days to slow the spread

18:39

That was him. Here's an example We

18:42

did the right thing We closed the country

18:44

down could have kept it open and

18:47

I could have done what some countries are doing

18:49

I had to shut it down. We did the

18:51

right thing I thought of keeping it open and

18:53

we did just the right thing We closed it

18:55

down and a group of very smart people walk

18:58

in say sir. We have to close it

19:01

And we did the right thing. They can't do

19:03

anything without the approval of the president You know,

19:05

even the Democrats aren't blaming me for that We

19:07

had it close it up some people wish we

19:09

never closed it down. We did the right thing.

19:11

We closed it It's a decision for the president

19:14

of the United States And we did the right

19:16

thing We had to close it up because

19:18

nobody's ever heard of closing down a country

19:20

let alone the United States of America That

19:25

was put together by a DeSantis fan, but it said those

19:27

are all legit clips and he did close he

19:29

did Yeah, he's right that he said it's up

19:31

to you governors After that,

19:33

you know the 15 days to slow but then he was like, okay, it's up

19:35

to the governors But it was under

19:37

enormous pressure from the White House to close

19:40

close close close Threatened if you

19:42

didn't close Fauci he

19:44

did see to Fauci who was leaning on all

19:46

these governors Trump leaned personally on these governors Governor

19:48

Brian Kemp of Florida I mean, it's sorry of

19:50

Georgia came out and said he

19:52

tried to strong arm me into closing So

19:54

Trump could be like I left it up to

19:57

the governor's. Okay, but you were on the side

19:59

of closure. Go ahead guys. Well,

20:01

I mean, nobody remembers that

20:03

better than President Trump. And

20:06

nobody knows the stakes in a presidential race

20:08

better than him, because he knows that it's

20:10

on his opponents to prosecute that case to

20:12

remind people of what he said. And he's

20:14

not just going to sit there and let

20:16

them say over and over and over again

20:19

without responding. He takes something where

20:21

there's a kernel of truth. It actually

20:23

is true that Governor DeSantis said that

20:25

Vauci is doing a good job once.

20:28

Is that the body of evidence on

20:30

DeSantis? No way. He was famous because

20:32

he pushed back against the mandates. But

20:34

he actually said it once. And where

20:36

Trump is so effective is that he

20:38

is on offense all the time. He

20:40

takes one little fact and he

20:43

drives it and drives it and drives it

20:45

in a more entertaining and memorable and forceful

20:47

way than any of his opponents. And guess

20:49

what? That's how you win elections. I mean,

20:51

I think you're right. And just like the thing, like

20:53

I left it up to the governors, it's like, okay, you

20:56

left it up to the governors the same way the

20:58

mob boss leaves it up to the shopkeeper, whether he's going

21:00

to pay the $50 in protection.

21:02

Go ahead, Mike. Yeah,

21:04

I mean, well, I think Asprey completely nailed

21:06

it, is Trump knows what could be a

21:10

problem for him to deal with, where he is

21:12

vulnerable. And so he goes on the offense

21:14

ahead of time. And I think this is another example

21:16

of whether he can have charisma or

21:18

facts on your side. You want charisma because you

21:20

can prosecute the case. You can get people's attention.

21:23

You can get them listening to you. And then

21:25

you can roll them with whatever message you want,

21:27

as opposed to if someone's there just like fact

21:29

check, you know, I actually

21:31

didn't want to shut down that no one's going to pay attention to

21:33

that person. They're going to pay attention to someone who they

21:35

think is like, it's a sad indictment

21:38

of where we are as a country.

21:41

Yeah, that's not exactly a good thing. I mean, it's

21:43

really boring. We don't want but

21:45

it's also Megan. Look, the other

21:47

side of this coin is there are

21:50

at least half of the Republican primary

21:52

electorate that what you just

21:54

showed is exactly why they're uncomfortable with

21:57

President Trump. I mean, you're talking about a former

21:59

president running for the nomination of his

22:01

own party. And we're still in

22:04

a process where this isn't become just a coronation.

22:06

Now, granted, he's got a big lead and all

22:08

likelihood will be the nominee. But he's under 50

22:10

in all of these states. And we'll see what

22:13

happens in Iowa. We'll see what happens in New

22:15

Hampshire and South Carolina and beyond. But he hasn't

22:17

locked this thing down by any stretch of the

22:19

imagination. That's because there still is a

22:22

very large voting bloc in the Republican

22:24

primary electorate that wants things like facts.

22:27

That is very concerned about the direction of

22:29

our country and is concerned that President

22:31

Trump is someone who's more interested

22:33

in entertaining them than they are in actually

22:35

pursuing the policies that might make life a

22:37

little better. Now, what Trump has going for

22:39

him is the policy, the policies he implemented

22:41

as president were pretty damn good. And

22:44

people do remember that. But I

22:46

think, look, he hasn't closed the

22:48

deal because of exactly what it

22:50

is that you just showed with those clips. Yeah.

22:53

And the other thing he has going for him,

22:55

if you watched the Fox Town

22:57

Hall last night, person after

22:59

person, Cheryl from Ames, oh, Mr. President,

23:01

I can't wait to vote for you

23:03

for the third time. You know what

23:05

I mean? It was like, that was

23:08

the sort of stagecraft that Donald Trump

23:10

does better than almost anybody else.

23:12

While the other two are arguing

23:14

amongst themselves over policy, made

23:16

very good points were very persuasive, both of

23:18

them. I thought very both of them were

23:20

very persuasive. But when you switch over to

23:22

Fox and you watch person after person in

23:25

Iowa, get up and talk about how Trump

23:27

did things and that's why they like him.

23:29

I mean, that's, that's his message. There was

23:31

one that was Ashbrook. You know what that

23:33

was? That was the Fox News surrender to

23:35

Trump. That's what we watched last night, because

23:38

they are not on team Trump. They've been very

23:40

anti Trump for a long, long time. They've

23:43

been pro DeSantis, then they switched to pro

23:45

Nikki and they've been

23:47

very anti-vavac and they're, they've been very

23:49

anti-Trump. But Trump, like he

23:52

did in 16, has rested this

23:54

nomination from the Republican

23:56

party, notwithstanding Fox's objection. And

23:59

last night, Cox made a decision, it was

24:01

clear to me, to get back in his good graces.

24:04

And I thought Brett and Martha did a fine

24:06

job. Don't get me wrong. They did ask a

24:08

couple of challenging questions, but they

24:10

are capable of asking much tougher

24:13

questions. And more than that, it

24:16

was the questions that were selected from the audience

24:18

and the people who were selected to ask the

24:20

questions. Every, the moderator, make the mistake about it,

24:22

the moderators know exactly who's coming up. All those

24:25

things are pre-selected. You know exactly who they're voting

24:27

for and who they're not. You try in a perfect

24:29

town hall to have balance. You know, I'm

24:31

a DeSantis person. I'm a Haley person. I'm a

24:33

Christie, whatever. I'm sad today because he left. I'm

24:35

a Trump person. They were, the vast

24:37

majority were Trumpers and loving Trumpers.

24:41

And there's probably some sort of a wink and

24:43

a nod agreement with team Trump to do that, just

24:45

to get him to do the town hall because he knows

24:47

Fox has been unfair to him. So

24:49

last night they bent the knee. I think Rupert,

24:51

what it told me is Rupert has realized

24:54

it's done. Trump's winning. And it's

24:56

time to get on board team Trump. That

24:58

happened with Rupert when Trump was running for

25:01

the nomination 16. I can tell you that personally,

25:03

or he didn't want him and he

25:05

made a decision. It's time to turn. He's got,

25:07

it's his and the election is

25:09

too important to have her win. And

25:12

here we are. I mean, I could see it with

25:14

my own eyes. They've made the decision. So anyway, keep

25:16

going. You, but I think you're right. What you were

25:18

saying was right. And that's why he looks so good

25:20

by their design. And I

25:22

largely agree with you, Megan. I think there were

25:24

a couple instances in which Trump was forced a

25:26

little bit outside of his comfort zone, where he

25:28

had to clarify some statements he has made on

25:30

DeSantis or Nikki or whatever. The one

25:33

in particular that I think stood out

25:35

was the question on pro-life. From

25:38

the woman who asked

25:40

Trump, you know, basically to clarify his

25:43

position on life and, you know,

25:45

had voted for Trump twice and, you

25:48

know, said, you know, we were glad that you ended

25:50

Roe. Um, but,

25:52

you know, Trump has actually, sorry, Duncan, to

25:54

keep interrupting you. Let me play that and then pick up

25:57

your thoughts. Top 10. I'd

25:59

like. you to reassure me

26:01

that you can protect all life,

26:03

every person's right to life without

26:05

compromise. So that's a

26:07

great question. I appreciate it too. You

26:10

wouldn't be asking that question, even talking about

26:13

the issue, because for 54 years they

26:15

were trying to get Roe v. Wade

26:17

terminated and I did it and I'm proud to

26:20

have done it. We did it and we did

26:22

something that was a miracle. I happen to be,

26:25

for the exceptions, like

26:27

Ronald Reagan with the life of

26:29

the mother, rape, incest.

26:32

I just have to be there.

26:35

You have to win elections. Otherwise, you're going

26:37

to be back where you were

26:39

and you can't let that ever happen again. You've

26:41

got to win elections. This is Antis. I don't

26:43

know what he really believes because you never know

26:45

with a politician and he's doing very, very poorly.

26:48

It happened to coincide with that because a lot of

26:50

people say a lot of, if you talk five

26:52

or six weeks, a lot of women don't know if

26:55

they're pregnant in five or six weeks. We're going to

26:57

come up with something that people want

26:59

and people like. 54

27:01

years, they campaigned on that issue

27:03

and nobody pulled it off but me. So

27:06

I think you're going to be happy in the end. All right. Just

27:09

a quick classic Trump. We're going to

27:12

come up with something that people like

27:14

and they want. You're going to be

27:16

very happy. Go ahead, Doug. Yeah.

27:19

No, it's exactly right. This negotiating

27:21

tactic, whenever you're trying to sell something, is you

27:23

just leave the door open to everything. In

27:27

the voter's mind, they can fill it in

27:29

with exactly what they want. Then

27:32

through osmosis, it also in their mind becomes

27:34

the position of Donald Trump. So Donald Trump

27:36

wants what I want. I

27:40

would say, look, in a Republican primary, it's

27:42

not great to compromise on the issue of

27:44

life and talk about how you have to

27:46

win elections. If anybody else did that who

27:48

wasn't Donald Trump, there are a lot of

27:50

people in the MAGA movement who would call

27:52

them a rhino immediately. But

27:55

Donald Trump just gets a pass on that thing.

27:57

He called hard people terrible. But

28:00

look, there isn't truth to what he's saying. You

28:03

just look at the poll numbers, right? I mean,

28:06

his position, I think, on the issue does

28:09

put him in a better place with the

28:11

general election audience. It's just Donald

28:13

Trump gets to operate by a different set

28:15

of rules when it comes to triangulation or

28:17

nuance and that sort of thing. Well, this

28:19

is another smart thing about him, Smug, because

28:21

he's playing already to the general electorate.

28:23

These other two on CNN last night

28:26

are playing still to the Republican base

28:28

and maybe can't have the same

28:30

kind of wider, appealing

28:33

message. Yeah,

28:35

I mean, to reiterate on Duncan's point of how

28:37

Trump's the only person who can get away with

28:39

this, I thought it was endlessly fascinating. I

28:42

think last week that poll came out asking

28:45

voters who they thought was most

28:48

a person of faith who believed

28:50

in God. And Trump was

28:53

like 30 points ahead of Mitt Romney. Yeah.

28:55

That's the most astonishing and amazing thing.

29:02

And again, the charisma

29:04

and the ability to bend reality to

29:07

his will. And that's just,

29:09

I mean, again, if I could have the

29:11

power of charisma, the power of facts on

29:14

my side, I'd choose charisma every single day because

29:16

you get things like that. You

29:18

get sucked in. You know, like- What an

29:21

indictment on the show. A political moment. Cigar

29:23

culture. It got out of the way. It was

29:26

so interesting. He took hypnotism lessons and he's one of

29:28

the people who said Trump would win very early on in 15.

29:31

And he could see Trump's power of persuasions. He

29:34

could see he's got the thing that you learn

29:36

in hypnotism, like how to get the brain. And

29:38

last night I was listening and he's like, we have

29:40

the best economy. We had no inflation.

29:42

We had no wars. The border was

29:44

secure. We were energy independent.

29:47

I was like, yeah. And

29:49

like, this is what makes you... I

29:51

mean, he's not wrong about a lot of those things, you

29:53

know, but you kind of forget about, well,

29:56

why does anybody have any problem with Trump?

29:58

He's right about all that stuff. Iran

30:00

and NATO and SNA.

30:05

He does kind of take you away,

30:07

you know, like Calgon. He takes you

30:09

away without

30:11

anybody up there to sort of remind

30:13

you that there's some other problems

30:15

that may be looming. It's

30:18

almost a dangerous but enjoyable dance.

30:22

It is. One other thing I

30:24

would say about Nicky and Ron's debate though

30:26

is I feel like they clarified some of

30:28

those other looming challenges in

30:30

a very direct way that

30:32

they alluded to previously and do on

30:34

the stump occasionally. But I mean, DeSantis

30:36

had a moment when he was talking

30:39

about Trump, you know, fighting this immunity

30:41

claim in the DC appeals

30:43

court, talking about like

30:45

all the distractions and stuff on the legal

30:47

side that Donald Trump's going to face that,

30:49

you know, of course, when Donald Trump

30:51

was president, we had a better economy and did a better

30:53

job than Joe Biden is done as president. But I think

30:56

what DeSantis is sort of alluding to there is like, that's

30:58

not going to be the argument of this election. Like

31:01

what's going to happen is we're going to have a

31:03

referendum election on the guy who's not president of the

31:05

United States based on the fact that he's been indicted

31:07

91 times. Yeah, this conversation

31:09

changes very, very quickly. Right. I mean, this

31:11

is a luxury. If I were Trump, all I'd say,

31:14

all I'd say the entire election

31:16

campaign against Joe Biden is are you better

31:18

off now than you were four years ago? Yeah.

31:20

Are you better off now than you were for? You just keep saying

31:22

that. It's such a unique situation

31:25

where he was the president for

31:27

four years, from four years ago

31:29

back. And this other guy he's running

31:31

against has had the last four years. So it's like you can

31:33

very easily determine which guy

31:35

do I prefer? You've had both experience, a

31:37

very rare experience for American voters. Democrats

31:41

actually wanted to defeat Donald Trump. They

31:43

would have done something to shut down

31:45

the border. They would have actually done

31:47

something about inflation. They would have protected

31:49

American energy independence. All the things that

31:51

the lefties in this country are against,

31:54

if they wanted to defeat Donald Trump, they would

31:56

have governed like Donald Trump. They didn't do

31:58

that. And so they've left the door open. But I

32:00

will say this, I think they recognize this

32:02

is the one like major pitfall

32:06

of Trump as a candidate is Of

32:08

course if he were to run and say are you better

32:10

off now than you were under my

32:12

presidency? Of course, he wins that argument and it's

32:14

an extremely convincing one. He's just not

32:16

going to make it. There's going to be so many There's

32:19

going to be so many instances where he starts, you

32:21

know, the question could be oh, well,

32:23

how is the economy under you? Oh, the

32:25

economy is great. But here's the thing these

32:27

judges against me. They're horrible people And

32:30

the supreme court owes me so they better follow

32:32

through on that and they're like the question is

32:34

not the economy Exactly. I'm sick of these judges

32:36

Yeah, you know like that's the and I think

32:39

democrats recognize this which is why they really really

32:41

wanted trump to be the candidate And why they

32:43

don't need to worry about okay Well, if we

32:45

don't do something about the situation at the border

32:47

we're screwed No, because they know that

32:49

it's going to all become just like in the midterms.

32:51

We're going to talk about january 6 We're

32:53

going to talk about 96 indictments. So

32:55

that's the biggest problem And there's still

32:58

an interesting point because last night he was on fire.

33:00

He was great I gave him an a-plus on his

33:02

performance last night In part because

33:04

he was not asked any of these questions But

33:06

you know as soon as he goes over to

33:08

that cnn again, remember that kaitlyn collins town hall?

33:11

That's all they want to talk about

33:13

that so they will be introducing the

33:15

topics that are his triggers, you know They'll

33:18

let the spoon feed him those just like, you

33:20

know, sort of like with the cow prod go

33:22

ahead Yeah No,

33:24

I mean look I think that's right He's not

33:26

going to have the luxury of making any kind

33:28

of argument that he had last night in any

33:30

real way Because his opposition has a say too

33:33

and they are going to be well financed and as we could

33:35

tell from 2020 They're really

33:37

good at getting out their vote to try to

33:39

defeat who they think is a threat to the

33:41

country Which is the case that they'll be

33:43

making in technicolor for the next nine months

33:45

And so yeah, like I think this

33:47

is a moment in time where we're all Looking

33:50

at like that town hall last night saying man, he

33:52

just like barreled the bat on everything Well,

33:54

it's also a very unique moment in time where

33:56

there's still a constituency for two thirds of the

33:59

things that he's talking about, like that changes

34:01

post-primary. That constituency is already baked into the

34:03

cake, and you have to go out and

34:05

find out what gets you from 45 to

34:07

51. And those people are going to be

34:11

very difficult for Donald Trump. I mean, we've

34:13

seen six straight years of election data that

34:15

shows that there's a hard ceiling on a

34:17

lot of that for a guy like Donald

34:19

Trump that, you know, frankly, Nikki or Ron

34:22

don't have. And again, there's

34:24

one advantage that he's got over, not

34:26

Ron DeSantis, but

34:29

he's got an advantage over Ron DeSantis, but Nikki

34:32

Haley has the advantage over Trump, and that's on

34:34

abortion when we're talking about a general electorate, right?

34:36

The general electorate versus the GOP

34:38

voters is more liberal on

34:41

the issue of abortion. You guys, last time you guys

34:43

were on, we had a deep conversation about abortion and all

34:45

that. But so

34:47

it's good, it's smart of

34:49

Trump to sound more moderate if he's trying to appeal

34:52

to general election voters. However, I

34:54

did think it was very interesting to

34:56

listen to a clip, at least I don't watch

34:58

Morning Joe, but I saw a clip of

35:01

them having a meltdown over that abortion

35:03

answer that we just played from

35:06

the left. Keep in mind, Morning

35:08

Joe is supposed to be

35:10

a Republican. They had a meltdown from

35:12

the left, and I'll let

35:15

you hear it for yourselves how

35:17

they interpreted that remark we just

35:19

heard. He's grown so old and

35:22

hobbled intellectually, I guess,

35:25

because he thinks he's running Yens Barak

35:27

Obama. He's worried about World

35:29

War II starting. He made an incredible

35:32

political mistake, and he knows it this

35:34

morning. He knows it. Incredible

35:36

political mistake last night going, I

35:39

was the one who terminated Roe v.

35:41

Wade. I was the one

35:43

that just me, nobody else could

35:46

have stripped away 50 years of

35:48

women's rights the way I, Donald

35:51

Trump, did. I terminated Roe

35:54

v. Wade and

35:56

everybody in his

35:58

campaign staff. was like, oh my

36:01

God. But

36:06

by the way, just to clarify, I mean, just so you know,

36:08

you should not get your facts from morning Joe, because

36:11

President Trump has been saying this

36:13

exact line since Dobbs was

36:16

decided. This row was overturned. I'll just have

36:18

my team pull a couple. Here

36:21

he was on Newsmax. I'm the one who

36:23

got rid of Roe versus Wade, and everyone

36:25

said it would be impossible. Trump after decision

36:27

in 2022. The decisions only made possible because

36:30

I delivered everything as promised. It was my

36:32

great honor to do so. Trump in 2023,

36:34

without me, the pro-life movement would have

36:36

just kept losing. Thank you, President Trump. That's

36:38

him thinking himself. It

36:44

is definitely not new. And I

36:47

look, I think what

36:49

Joe, I think is alluding to is the

36:51

fact that the vast majority of voters who

36:54

this is a very important issue to never

36:56

get beyond the I did X.

36:58

But they already know that, right? So I

37:00

mean, there is nobody that is going to

37:02

be confused about Donald Trump's position on abortion.

37:05

The question is, in that later part of

37:07

the segment when he was talking about, you

37:09

know, is there an accommodation that you can

37:11

come to that's reasonable, which is a conversation

37:13

that, you know, like Ron DeSantis has not

37:15

had. Nikki Haley does have, and I think

37:18

has demonstrated a very good way for a

37:20

lot of conservatives to talk about abortion, but Trump's trying

37:22

to get into that lane. And he's

37:24

got the credibility with the pro-life movement

37:26

by first reminding everybody of

37:28

the obvious that Roe v. Wade would still be

37:30

there had we not had three Supreme Court justices

37:32

change the dynamic of the court. Yeah. And he

37:35

seems to be aware of the politics of the

37:37

issue, quite frankly. I mean, he watched the election

37:39

cycle in 2022, the

37:41

same as everybody else. And he knows that

37:44

this is a very challenging issue for Republicans,

37:46

which makes me wonder, does he pick a

37:48

VP who can help him on this issue

37:50

specifically? I'm not saying he's going to take

37:52

Nikki Haley, but I mean, she

37:55

wouldn't be a bad choice. That's interesting. I bet

37:57

it'll be a woman. I'm just weird to me.

38:00

It's weird to me he can be so perceptive

38:02

on a way to sort of triangulate for the

38:05

general election on an issue that's

38:07

as difficult as life and abortion, but

38:09

then still talk about how 2020

38:12

was written every single day, which

38:14

he knows is a loser issue.

38:16

It's a loser issue. Right. Exactly.

38:21

Right? Like that's Jack Smith's problem is

38:23

he's in court trying to prove Trump

38:25

knew it was a lie. And

38:28

I think anybody other than

38:30

hard partisan leftists know Trump

38:32

didn't think so. Trump

38:35

believed and believes to this moment.

38:38

He's never lost anything.

38:40

Like it's, it just, it didn't happen. Didn't

38:43

happen. Didn't happen. As good as

38:45

he is hypnotizing the electorate, he's done it to himself

38:47

first. That's who he is. So

38:49

that's why he can't get off of it. So if I were a Democrat

38:51

who wanted to see him go down, I would

38:54

spend my interview being like, what

38:56

do you make of January 6th? Did you get screwed? What

38:59

happened? What happened in Michigan? Let's walk back through the

39:01

Georgia vote and those 11,000 didn't you, that gets stolen.

39:03

I'd tee it up just to make

39:05

him say all the things that the middle

39:07

hates. Anyway, I know,

39:09

I know his team realizes he

39:11

shouldn't be talking about it. I

39:13

don't think Brett and Martha wanted to talk about it. I

39:15

did not raise that stuff when I talked to him. He's

39:17

talked about it enough, but we are

39:20

in for a year of leftist media

39:22

asking him about that. Yeah.

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You can go to desanislives.com. Go

40:48

to desanislives.com and desanislives.com.

40:52

When her comment, when you hold

40:54

up, hold on, hold on. Go

40:56

to desanislives.com. desanislives.com. She

41:00

was asked about it.

41:02

It's desanislives.com. Go to

41:04

desanislives.com. desanislives.com. Go

41:07

to desanislives.com. You can go

41:09

to desanislives.com. Where again? What?

41:13

I mean, I heard that a website

41:15

repeated that much since dickmorris.com used to come

41:18

on Fox. What did

41:20

you make of that? Her

41:22

new line, her new attempt

41:24

to disparage. I think

41:26

what you try to do is avoid being the

41:28

one to litigate all of this in public herself

41:30

all the time and point people to a direction

41:32

where they think they've got some material that points

41:35

out the deficiencies of Rhonda Santos without her having

41:37

to get in the dog fight.

41:39

But that happened anyway. So

41:42

I mean, it's a tactic that we've

41:44

used from an operative standpoint a lot.

41:46

You have these microsites that point out

41:48

various aspects of your opponent's record and you can

41:50

get people to land on the page, then

41:53

you can educate some people on some stuff. Yeah, because

41:55

you don't want to spend all of your time in

41:58

the debate reacting to the thing that the

42:00

other person said and having to correct the record because

42:02

then you're not getting your message out. So these microsites

42:05

and stuff sort of become, you

42:07

know, your way of parrying away

42:09

what they said and then getting

42:11

to the point you want to make. The problem is like,

42:14

it also becomes a crutch in and of

42:16

itself, where part of winning

42:18

a debate is successfully

42:22

parrying it away and then

42:24

making the point all in the same 30 seconds,

42:27

90 seconds. And I

42:29

think DeSantis did a better job than

42:32

that. I think they both had good moments in the

42:34

debate, but I think DeSantis is

42:36

better at taking

42:39

what Nikki is saying, making

42:41

a point and then pivoting

42:43

to when I was governor, I actually did the

42:45

thing. You know what I mean? And

42:48

she kind of, it became a crutch where she was

42:50

just sort of relying on this microsite to

42:53

sort of move on, which I don't think is

42:55

a good tactic to have. There was something annoying

42:57

about it too. It was like, I heard it

42:59

already. It's starting to feel like you're a telemarketer,

43:01

you know? I've had enough. What am

43:03

I supposed to donate to you when I get

43:05

there? For sure. You're going to hit me up

43:07

for money. There's going to be a reason you keep saying

43:10

it dozens of times. Credit

43:12

to Breitbart for putting together

43:14

that soundbite. Meanwhile, I

43:17

think DeSantis, overall, yes, I agree he did

43:19

well. I'd have to give him the advantage

43:21

between the two of them and how it went

43:23

over, how it made me feel. But he had

43:25

some doozies in there too, like this one in

43:28

SUT 4. I

43:30

debated the governor of California, Gavin Newsom.

43:33

You know, I thought he lied a lot. Man,

43:35

Nikki Haley may give him a run for his money

43:37

and she may even be more liberal than Gavin Newsom.

43:40

No. She's stuck

43:42

with just lies as

43:46

much. She's not more liberal than Gavin Newsom.

43:48

Is anyone more liberal than Gavin Newsom? That's

43:51

the thing. I bet Trump could convince people. Like when

43:53

he's on a roll and

43:55

you're like lulled to it, you know, I

43:57

bet he could drop that and it'd be

43:59

a lot. It's not his style. I wish his team

44:01

did. It's totally fine to give him to him. It doesn't

44:03

work. I completely agree. But when you're

44:05

doing- He's not right, Duncan. He's exactly right. You're

44:09

basically making a choice in that, are you talking to the audience of

44:11

people who are sitting there and watching CNN for

44:13

a solid hour to decide who it is they like better?

44:18

Or are you talking to an audience of

44:20

people who are going to be looking for

44:22

a better audience and they're going to be

44:24

looking for a better audience? Or

44:26

are you talking to an audience of

44:28

people who are going to be looking

44:30

at clips of the debate, watching things

44:32

that are said afterwards? And you

44:35

have to figure out how to address both of those

44:37

audiences because they're equally as important. I

44:40

would say on the Nikki Haley thing, if

44:42

there's one thing anybody remembered out of that

44:44

debate, it's that she and her campaign

44:46

are saying that DeSantis lies. And maybe

44:49

somebody goes to the website. They certainly weren't going to go

44:51

to the website if she hadn't mentioned it 16,000 times. And

44:55

maybe, maybe it makes her look

44:58

awkward, but maybe that's a risk she's willing to run

45:00

to get people to go to the website. And we're

45:02

talking about it. If this presidential

45:04

thing doesn't work out for her, she could

45:06

replace Milly Mays as the infotel marketing. No,

45:09

I think that market corner. Oh,

45:15

by the way, Vivek is still in the race. Just in

45:18

case you were wondering. Still technically

45:20

out there. She's obviously focused

45:23

on New Hampshire, supremely focused on New

45:25

Hampshire. We talked about the Chris Christie

45:27

effect. I just want to give the audience the

45:29

latest polling. In New Hampshire,

45:31

the thing that has team Haley and

45:34

her supporters excited is

45:36

there's a CNN poll that

45:38

shows Trump only

45:41

seven points up over Nikki in

45:43

New Hampshire. Trump at 39, Nikki at 32. She

45:47

has a 12 point jump since the last CNN poll,

45:49

which was in November. And Christie in that poll had

45:51

12%. So 32 plus 12 is 44. And

45:55

there's Trump at 39, leading people to think. Okay,

46:00

if Christie drops out, she's actually got a

46:02

chance of not just coming in first in

46:04

the undercard contest in New Hampshire. She

46:06

could beat Trump, which could potentially stop

46:09

his momentum. This is the hope of those who don't want

46:11

Trump. But you

46:13

look around and there's a

46:15

New Hampshire Republican poll out of WHDH

46:19

TV in Emerson, it gets an A minus

46:23

rating and Trump is up

46:25

16. There's one from USA

46:27

Today, Suffolk. It also has an A

46:29

minus rating, that poll. So it's a good one. Trump is up 20.

46:32

And I've heard a lot of people say you cannot

46:34

trust New Hampshire polling. I don't know why you cannot

46:36

trust it, but I've heard a lot of people say that.

46:38

Like be very careful about putting too much stock into

46:41

these numbers out of New Hampshire. Look,

46:43

if she doesn't, let's talk Turkey. It's

46:46

DeSantis, because DeSantis right now might

46:49

lose Iowa to Nikki Haley too. He's

46:52

definitely going to lose it Trump. I think it looks

46:54

that way. And if he comes in

46:56

third in Iowa, do you agree he's out?

46:58

He's going to announce he's done after Iowa.

47:01

And if she, and then

47:03

we'll do her after. Yeah.

47:06

Well, look, I think it gets exceedingly very difficult.

47:08

I mean, he's made it plain since the

47:10

very beginning that they intend to play in Iowa

47:12

as a primary strength of that campaign. And they've

47:15

put a ton of resources into Iowa. If

47:17

he's not in second in Iowa, I think it

47:19

gets very, very difficult because look, you immediately pivot and

47:21

go to New Hampshire and he's not even really playing

47:23

there, right? So that's a long

47:26

period of time where you

47:28

have underperformed expectations. It gets very difficult

47:30

to fundraise your ability to stay on

47:32

top of the news cycle, wanes, you

47:34

know, people naturally want to go with

47:36

a momentum candidate. So I do think

47:38

it would be very difficult for DeSantis.

47:40

And I think that's, look, the most

47:43

significant thing that can happen in this

47:45

race is if Nikki Haley figures out

47:47

how to get into second place in Iowa. Yep.

47:49

Because if that happens, couple the

47:51

Chris Christie departure in New Hampshire,

47:53

and she's got a very real shot. It's

47:56

not just those polls that you listed Megan,

47:58

there's a half dozen more. that

48:00

may not show her within the margin

48:02

of error, but has a huge momentum

48:05

swing where she was down in the

48:07

low 10, 11, 12,

48:09

now up to the 30s in almost every other

48:12

poll, regardless of where Trump is thinking. And right when

48:14

you want it, Holmes, right? Right when you, she's gotten the momentum

48:16

right when you want it. Exactly

48:18

when you want it. And so, look, if she

48:20

gets second there and then all of a sudden

48:22

shocks the world and beats that sort of fait

48:25

accompli that Trump has had since the

48:27

beginning of this campaign, she's eventually going to

48:29

be the nominee, you're then going into her

48:31

home state in a mono a

48:33

mono. Like if they were looking for a way

48:36

to make this actual race interesting, it

48:38

would be that exact set of circumstances.

48:40

Yep. And I think

48:42

also a lot of this discussion should be around

48:45

the problems that the DeSantis campaign has had since

48:47

launch, where, I mean, they've had numerous people who

48:49

have left the super PAC and then the super

48:52

PAC leaked details of what their plan was. And

48:54

then the candidate has to come out and say,

48:56

no, that's not our plan. Like it's been very

48:58

chaotic to where they've boxed themselves into a position

49:00

where if they don't come in second place in

49:02

Iowa, it's essentially a wrap because then

49:04

they go into New Hampshire and they're expecting

49:06

to get third at best. Then they're going

49:08

to South Carolina hoping to get third at

49:11

best. Like what is the case for staying

49:13

in at that point? So they've cornered themselves

49:15

into a very terrible situation. Yeah, I think

49:17

there's some evidence though. And I mean, an

49:19

Iowa, a caucus, a caucus system just overall

49:21

tends to reward the most organized, most conservative

49:23

candidate. I mean, we've seen this

49:25

numerous times. So it's always why like the all

49:28

people did so well in contests like

49:30

this. And I think that's an advantage

49:33

to DeSantis. I would

49:35

also encourage people to read the Associated

49:37

Press's recent stories. Steve Peoples had

49:39

a great article from On the Ground in Iowa,

49:41

and they pointed out a couple of things that

49:43

I think are interesting. 63%

49:45

of likely first time Republican caucus goers are

49:48

saying Trump is their first choice. And there's people

49:50

in here that they talked to who said, I'm

49:52

100% behind Trump, but I'm only

49:55

pretty sure I'm going to end up caucusing for him.

49:57

And it's going to be two degrees. And

49:59

Nikki Haley. coalition, a lot of

50:01

independent voters and Democrats who aren't diehard Republicans

50:03

and maybe they decide to stay home on

50:05

that day. So I think like some of those

50:07

mechanics might actually benefit to Santas and make

50:09

sure he ends up securing second place.

50:12

I just have to correct Duncan on what thing. The high

50:14

for the day is two degrees. Yeah,

50:17

we're sending smug to Iowa for this because I

50:20

care so much. He's up to date. I'm going

50:22

to be out there in negative 20. I

50:24

mean negative 20 Duncan. Yes.

50:27

And we're going to be in the safety

50:29

and comfort of the studio here on Monday

50:31

night and we're just going to bully smug. It's

50:33

going to be awesome. Poor smug. It's

50:35

going to be exciting to be out

50:37

there though. I have to say like that is one thing

50:40

I miss about working for the Big Cable channel, going

50:42

out there like on the big nights and being in

50:44

the midst of, you're not really in the midst of

50:46

the people, you're sitting on a studio desk. But you

50:48

know getting to go and meet the locals and sort

50:50

of hear from them directly what's on their mind. We'll

50:52

probably be doing more of that over the coming year.

50:55

But it's going to be cool. And I love watching

50:57

American democracy and work, whatever they decide, you know, we'll live

50:59

with it. We'll try to interpret it. We'll try

51:01

to read the tea leaves. But they have a lot of power. These Iowa

51:03

voters, all eyes are on them. Stand by.

51:06

The guys stay with us. So much more to get to including

51:09

Jill Biden and

51:11

how she's ashamed of what you people are doing

51:13

to Hunter. Don't go away. Dr.

51:19

Jill Biden sat

51:21

down with Mika Brzezinski. And

51:24

it was a very hard hitting—no, no

51:27

it wasn't. And

51:30

Mika, on

51:32

the heels of Hunter, thumbing

51:35

his middle finger at Congress yesterday morning,

51:37

right, he blew off the congressional subpoena,

51:39

which we've been told by Jack Smith, it's

51:41

very, very important to comply with subpoenas. You

51:44

can get criminally prosecuted by Jack Smith if

51:46

you don't comply with the subpoena. He

51:49

blew it off. And then when they

51:51

were having the hearing on whether he should be held

51:53

in criminal contempt and then refer this case to the

51:55

Justice Department, he showed up out

51:57

of nowhere. Hey, hi, how you doing? Hunter,

52:01

and then just got up and walked out when

52:03

Marjorie Taylor Greene started speaking, and

52:05

it was just a big middle finger to the entire process

52:07

and really to the American people. So

52:10

Mika mentions that

52:12

incident and Hunter's hot,

52:15

messy life to Dr. Jill,

52:18

and here is what she said on Saw

52:21

20. How

52:23

have you been coping personally with

52:25

the onslaught of accusations against your

52:27

husband and your family, including and

52:30

especially Hunter, the focus of a

52:32

House Oversight Committee hearing, holding

52:34

him in contempt, obsessing over him,

52:37

showing pictures of him during vulnerable

52:39

moments in his battle with addiction,

52:42

on the floor of the house. This

52:44

would crush any family. Mika, I

52:46

think what they are doing to

52:49

Hunter is cruel, and

52:51

I'm really proud of how

52:54

Hunter has rebuilt his life after

52:57

addiction. I

52:59

love my son and it's

53:02

hurt my grandchildren, and that's what

53:04

I'm so concerned about

53:06

that it's affecting their lives as

53:09

well. It's

53:12

cruel, it's cruel, Smug. Yeah,

53:14

so when first off she

53:16

says, during vulnerable moments, you

53:19

mean the photos he took himself with

53:22

prostitutes doing crap? Is

53:24

that a vulnerable moment? Pretty vulnerable. And when

53:26

she tries to play my grandchildren card, you

53:28

mean like the grandchild that Hunter had with

53:30

the stripper in Alabama that you guys aren't

53:32

like the last name Biden, the one that

53:34

you went to court so that they're not

53:36

allowed to have the name of their father?

53:39

Real family, you know, family folks over

53:41

here. Also, they talk about him like

53:44

it's some high school kid getting bullied.

53:46

He's 53 years old, Megan. Did

53:51

you happen to notice the people he was

53:53

with? One of them

53:56

was the producer of a documentary about

53:58

him. In his most- Vulnerable

54:00

moment this poor guy brought in his Hollywood

54:02

benefactor producer to make a show out of

54:04

it so they can make more money Don't

54:06

you think that's the whole thing? Like that's

54:08

the reason why he showed up in the

54:10

first place Like it'll be great content for

54:12

the documentary and then i'll storm out when

54:14

when mtg gets up into the dais for

54:17

sure, right? It's like 100 This wasn't

54:19

about he wanted to answer to the subpoena or

54:21

he wants to comply with the process or wants

54:23

to tell the truth This was

54:25

content. He was making content for a

54:27

documentary Yeah, and like north Who

54:32

amongst us hasn't had several crack rock bags

54:34

and then decided to shake down chinese governments

54:37

and things like that, right? It's

54:39

cruel to point it out homes. It's cruel to

54:41

ask them about it I

54:44

mean it's amazing like yesterday not for nothing But

54:46

on this show we had dean phillips the democrat

54:48

who's trying to challenge joe biden for the nomination

54:51

And this is a democrat centrist candidate

54:55

from minnesota And he

54:57

he was saying I said,

54:59

all right, let's let's put her to say he claimed

55:01

He doesn't hesitate evidence that joe was involved in any

55:03

of hunter's nefarious campaigns disagree, but I it was like,

55:05

okay Fine, we only have limited time with the guy

55:07

said all right Let's table all the evidence that he

55:09

has because we've had the whistleblowers on the show Walking

55:12

us through in great detail the evidence showing joe

55:14

new and we had a role But let's

55:16

put table that I said in what world

55:18

is it? Okay for the sitting vice president who's in charge

55:20

of ukraine policy to let his son sit on a

55:22

board Of a corrupt company over

55:24

in ukraine and he said it's not it's

55:27

not it's totally wrong It's it is corrupt and

55:29

it shouldn't be shouldn't have been allowed under any

55:31

circumstances. Now. That's a democrat. How is it

55:34

cruel? To now ask

55:36

hunter about those relationships to ask

55:38

joe biden about the to say

55:40

this looks corrupt And it

55:42

is a family business. She's a liar.

55:44

I'm sorry, but she's a liar just like her

55:46

husband and her son Yes, well

55:49

the one thing that democrats like the bidens

55:51

have become so used to over the years

55:53

is that they are surprised Anybody has to

55:55

ask any questions. It's like wow. I can't

55:57

imagine that. I actually have to defend anything

56:00

Because I don't usually. And

56:02

the fact of the matter is, is they didn't

56:04

for an awful long time. It wasn't until a

56:06

House Republican majority actually did some investigation, which by

56:09

the way, they put out all the evidence. And

56:11

then it's summarily dismissed by the mainstream press.

56:14

You will not read a single thing about

56:16

this on the front page of The New York

56:18

Times, The Washington Post, and Associated Press or anything.

56:20

Like it just doesn't exist. If you want to

56:22

actually get the information, you've got to read a

56:24

damn press release. I mean really from the government,

56:27

from the committee, which is wild

56:29

in contrast to where we were during

56:31

the Trump years, where if Adam Schiff

56:33

so much as whispered something to The

56:35

New York Times that was completely wrong

56:37

without any evidence whatsoever, it was the

56:39

front page of The New York Times,

56:41

and they wanted Pulitzer's for it. And

56:44

somebody asked him a key question yesterday. They said,

56:46

Mr. Biden, what kind of crack do you normally smoke? And

56:49

I haven't heard an answer to

56:52

that question yet. There are people

56:54

who are actually wondering. You know

56:56

what? Mika could have asked that. She could have

56:59

asked that. No, that's

57:01

a joke. But she did not ask her any hard questions.

57:08

It's like if you're going to sit there and tee it

57:10

up for the first lady to say, this is cruel what

57:12

they're doing to my son, then you

57:14

better, if you actually consider yourself

57:16

a journalist who criticizes other journalists,

57:19

get ready for a couple of tough

57:21

follow ups, madam. Let me

57:23

walk you through why they're investigating

57:26

him. And by the way, why

57:28

do we have those nudie pics

57:30

of Hunter? Because he thought his

57:33

unit was the most photographable whatever

57:35

the word photogenic

57:38

unit in the world. He

57:40

couldn't get enough of his own disgusting

57:42

hairy body. That's the only reason we've

57:44

seen it. Meghan, have you

57:46

seen the footwork? I

57:49

can see the footwork. There's footwork that is different.

58:00

is disinformation during a campaign.

58:02

The American people's disinformation, and

58:04

now we know it to be true, will

58:06

they be willing to take responsibility for lying to the

58:08

American people to win an election? Because that's what they

58:10

did. So, here's how

58:13

we tie together. Go

58:15

ahead, ask for me, I'll tie together. Can I just

58:17

say real quickly, before you tie it together, I think

58:19

we've just stumbled across the reason why Dr. Jill Biden

58:21

talked to Mika Brzezinski and not Megyn Kelly. Yeah, there

58:23

you go. I think you're

58:25

right. I just feel like it's an egregious fall down

58:27

on the job. Like, look, I

58:30

get it, that's her side. She's very

58:32

clearly voting for the Bidens, and that's

58:34

okay. Journalists are allowed to vote in

58:36

elections and have a preference, but when

58:38

you're across from the other person, as

58:40

a journalist, fucking do your job. I'm

58:43

sorry, I believe my record stands

58:45

up on this. I

58:49

do it when I'm across from the person I know I'm

58:51

gonna vote for. Why? Because I

58:53

wanna be mean to that person? Because I don't want this person

58:55

to like me? No, because it's my job. Especially

58:58

because Mika and Joe, as part of their

59:01

show, very frequently, are critics of the media

59:03

and their coverage, right? All right. And

59:05

they've been critical of Joe Biden and the coverage

59:08

of Joe Biden. And it's like, you finally have

59:10

the opportunity to be a real journalist and you

59:12

fall asleep on the job. Okay,

59:14

so this brings me, this is where I tie

59:16

it all together, Ashbrook, to Morning

59:19

Joe's take on the Fox News

59:21

town hall. They

59:24

were horrified with Brett and Martha. Take a listen

59:26

to this. I would call it softball,

59:30

a softball event. I've never

59:32

seen one as fawning. I'm

59:37

not even sure why did they have two hosts there? You

59:40

know, they could have just had winding, just sit

59:42

there and smile and say, you're

59:45

great, ask another softball question. Looking

59:47

at the Fox News host, who were just

59:50

absolute jokes, it was just an

59:52

embarrassment. Like Fox News, oh, we're gonna be for this.

59:54

Even to Sandis' people, we're like, seriously?

59:57

This is a paid advertisement for Donald

59:59

Trump. which it was. Oh

1:00:03

my God. All right, look, was

1:00:06

there a quote unquote

1:00:09

news team in

1:00:11

the entire business that did more

1:00:13

to see President Trump

1:00:16

elected than those two? Was

1:00:18

there a more of a sequious fawning

1:00:21

pair in media than

1:00:23

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski

1:00:25

in 2015 when

1:00:28

it came to the Republican race? They

1:00:31

left Trump's boots every

1:00:33

morning. I watched, they loved the

1:00:35

taste of the bottom of his

1:00:38

shoes. They couldn't

1:00:40

get enough of it. This woman

1:00:42

who embarrassed herself with the first

1:00:44

lady has the nerve to sit

1:00:46

on that set and rip on

1:00:48

Fox News for a fine

1:00:50

town hall. It wasn't excoriating, it was

1:00:53

fine. She has the nerve

1:00:55

after, we just pulled some of her highlights,

1:00:57

believe me, we'd be here all day if we pulled Joe's. Here's

1:01:00

just a little sample of her back in 2015. Rubbing

1:01:08

his hair, rubbing her hair,

1:01:11

rubbing. He's smiling. Did

1:01:13

you get all the sleep wash lines? Well,

1:01:16

I got woken up. But I, you know,

1:01:18

just, well,

1:01:22

Donald wanted me to see the CPAC speech. I

1:01:25

was skeptical, but I pulled it up

1:01:27

on the internet. Pretty

1:01:30

good. Very good. Mika, what do you mean

1:01:32

pretty good? You know you loved it. Wow.

1:01:36

Trump, you're naughty. They're

1:01:39

hugging, kissing. Bye.

1:01:42

That's a chore. Yeah. Bear me,

1:01:45

bear me, you're indignation, people. I

1:01:48

love this, Megan, as you were sort of

1:01:50

winding up to that clip. I was ready

1:01:52

to call out that clip. It's an absolute

1:01:54

mind melt. I've watched that like 15 times.

1:01:58

It's so funny. We got it together. I

1:02:00

can't remember but you can find

1:02:02

it on YouTube. It's

1:02:05

almost like you're, they just let them call

1:02:07

in, right? And it's like you're talking to

1:02:09

your boyfriend and you're sort of spinning the

1:02:11

cord of the phone,

1:02:14

you know? Like laying on your stomach

1:02:16

on your bed late at night talking

1:02:18

to your boyfriend. I mean, that's really

1:02:21

what it's like, Megan. It's

1:02:23

totally, you nailed it when you said it's

1:02:25

obsequious. Like that's what it was and people

1:02:28

forget that. And also that is a critical

1:02:30

thing is for the entire cycle, they

1:02:32

had an open airway, open channel anytime

1:02:35

Trump wanted to call in, he

1:02:37

got through. No matter what was on his mind,

1:02:39

no matter what news was happening, they're like, oh,

1:02:41

Trump called in, patch him through immediately. And

1:02:44

like the, there was a calculation I remember

1:02:47

of the amount of air time that he

1:02:49

got on Morning Joe was more

1:02:51

than other candidates super PACs had in

1:02:53

their entire budget on ads. Like

1:02:56

when, on NBC

1:02:58

proper too, on NBC, but they took phoneers

1:03:00

from a presidential candidate who very clearly could

1:03:02

have been sitting there. Now we know he

1:03:04

was actually reading notes to prom. It was

1:03:06

like the whole, so it's fine. It happened.

1:03:09

Whatever he went out and become, but spare me.

1:03:12

You are not in a position

1:03:14

to be criticizing any anchors when

1:03:16

it comes to interviews of president

1:03:19

Trump. Take a seat. You.

1:03:23

I'm going to get back to the media

1:03:25

in a couple of seconds, but I don't want to get

1:03:27

off of Dr. Jill because there's a couple more things that were

1:03:29

interesting, what she said. So first she's got thoughts on, on the

1:03:33

president's vigor that you, you might find

1:03:35

interesting. Take a listen to that 19. Your

1:03:39

husband is 81 at the end

1:03:41

of the second term. He'd be 86 as

1:03:43

his life partner of 46 years. Is

1:03:46

there a part of you that is worried

1:03:48

about his age and health? Can

1:03:50

he do it? He can

1:03:52

do it. And I see Joe every

1:03:54

day. I see him out, you

1:03:57

know, traveling around this country. I see

1:03:59

his vigor. I see his energy.

1:04:01

I see his passion. Yeah.

1:04:07

He's got so much vigor. That's why Dr. Jill's

1:04:09

doing the interviews. Didn't

1:04:12

we just see her guiding him off the

1:04:14

stage on Friday or Saturday? Didn't we like

1:04:16

literally a couple of days ago see her once

1:04:19

again have to get him off stage? He's

1:04:21

got too much vigor to know where he's going. She helps

1:04:23

channel it. She's so big. You know, I gotta tell you,

1:04:26

the thing that offends me the most about

1:04:28

this entire thing is like

1:04:30

all the media that sort of protects this

1:04:32

line of argument and the Bidens themselves who

1:04:35

project this argument under the American people, they

1:04:37

act as though nobody's ever had a

1:04:39

grandparent or a piss. Like

1:04:41

it's not a part of a normal

1:04:43

life to see what it looks like

1:04:45

at the end of life, right? Like

1:04:48

we're, this is a new thing where

1:04:50

we've never encountered somebody taking short steps

1:04:52

who doesn't know where they are, who

1:04:54

wanders around to loses their place when

1:04:56

they're talking. Like this is all a new

1:04:58

dynamic that most Americans have never

1:05:00

encountered before evidently. Like explain it to me.

1:05:02

It doesn't mean anything close to what you think it means.

1:05:07

If there's one thing that we're

1:05:09

all personal experts on, it is

1:05:11

exactly what we're watching right now.

1:05:13

I mean, you don't need to be a medical

1:05:15

degree to know what it looks like when Nana

1:05:18

and Pop Pop are going down. And like that's

1:05:20

what we're looking at. And like every

1:05:22

time the guy bores Air Force One, the American

1:05:24

people have to hold their breath and be like,

1:05:26

I hope he doesn't slip and fall because he's

1:05:28

had a fall on those stairs like five times

1:05:30

at this point. He's fallen off a bike. You

1:05:33

know, if she were a real doctor, she'd advise him

1:05:35

to stop doing this. Like he's got

1:05:37

to go home. Call it a day. Even the Republicans

1:05:39

don't want him to slip and fall. It's like the

1:05:41

Chinese are watching this. We don't want

1:05:43

you to fall. We don't want our president

1:05:45

to fall. Yeah. I've got a

1:05:47

great idea. You exit, exit. I

1:05:51

have a great idea for a general

1:05:53

election door hanger for Donald Trump or

1:05:55

whoever's the Republican nominee. And

1:05:58

it's a door hanger that's based on the panel. a

1:06:00

place for mom. I thought you

1:06:02

were just silver alert. So

1:06:06

here she is. They

1:06:09

pulled a video just so you can see it. This is

1:06:11

her the other day when he gave his big speech. Look, he's

1:06:13

wandering. Here she is. She had to

1:06:15

go out on the stage. You can see him. Look

1:06:17

at him. Look at him. He really,

1:06:19

I mean, forgive me, but he literally looks

1:06:21

like a recovering sort of stroke or coma

1:06:24

victim. Like, get me off the stage. I

1:06:26

can't do it on my own. She had to go out there. He

1:06:28

was kind of wandering before she even got there. And

1:06:31

by the way, her vigorous husband, the man full of

1:06:33

vigor, in the past 19 days,

1:06:37

he's held two, count

1:06:39

them, two public events. December

1:06:42

23rd left for vacation at Camp David. That's

1:06:44

where he was for the next few days. Returned on the 26th.

1:06:47

Very next day, left for vacation in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

1:06:49

28, 29th. I mean, we keep going. That's

1:06:53

her vigorous, vigorous husband who, look, I took

1:06:55

two weeks off. I'm

1:06:57

not the president. And we know

1:06:59

for a fact he wasn't talking to the

1:07:01

secretary of defense for four or five

1:07:03

days because he was off getting some secret

1:07:06

prostate situation taken care of

1:07:08

that even the president didn't

1:07:10

know about. So it's like, spare me on the vigor.

1:07:12

Nobody believes it. All right. So that's Dr.

1:07:15

Jill and the vigorous president to whom she's

1:07:17

married. But back

1:07:19

on the subject of the media, let me meander back there for a minute. So

1:07:22

our old pal Don Lemon has

1:07:26

resurfaced or is about to

1:07:28

resurface. And

1:07:30

I realize that the magnanimous

1:07:33

move is to say, good for

1:07:35

Don. He got canceled off

1:07:37

of CNN. And now he's reinventing

1:07:39

himself on Twitter. Well, that's

1:07:42

not what I say. I think he's disgusting.

1:07:45

He hates America. He hates Republicans.

1:07:48

And I'm not looking forward to his voice

1:07:51

reemerging other than to market, which I 100

1:07:53

percent plan to do. That's the only silver

1:07:55

lining. So

1:07:58

this is so he's going out on. on

1:08:00

X, right? It's like, oh great, Tucker

1:08:02

did it on X, and Tucker and I got fired on

1:08:04

the same day, so I'll go out on X, and Don

1:08:06

Lemon comes out with a post

1:08:09

on X saying, it

1:08:11

starts as follows, I've

1:08:13

heard you, and today

1:08:15

I'm back, bigger, bolder,

1:08:18

freer. I've heard

1:08:20

you, like the masses are clamoring,

1:08:23

where's Don, what do we need? Even climbing up

1:08:25

for Don? Look out, come back

1:08:27

in my life, Don. Take

1:08:29

some off of Dilla O'Reilly. So

1:08:34

here, honestly, and

1:08:36

like, there are people

1:08:39

welcoming Don back to the national

1:08:41

conversation, and for those people and

1:08:43

others, I just have a little

1:08:45

reminder for you of who Don

1:08:47

Lemon is and why we can't

1:08:50

stand him. Here you go. Donald

1:08:54

Trump couldn't find you craning a map if you

1:08:56

had the letter U and a picture of an

1:08:58

actual physical crane next to it. He knows that

1:09:00

this is an administration defined

1:09:02

by ignorance of the world. The people who

1:09:05

ate and abetted Trump are stupid, but have

1:09:07

lived in several red seats. There

1:09:09

are a lot of friends who I had to really

1:09:11

get rid of. A credulous boomer-roob demo that backs Donald

1:09:13

Trump, that

1:09:15

wants to think that Donald Trump's a

1:09:18

smart one, and they're all, y'all elitists

1:09:20

are dumb. They're

1:09:22

taking down the statues, and crime is rising.

1:09:24

Crime is a deep, fun place. Oh my

1:09:26

gosh, it's so bad. You voted for Trump,

1:09:28

you voted for the person who

1:09:31

the Klan supported. You

1:09:33

voted for the person who Nazis

1:09:35

support. You elitists with your geography

1:09:37

and your maps and your

1:09:40

spelling, even though my part- Your

1:09:42

math and your reading. If you're not gonna get

1:09:44

vaccinated, you don't want a social distance, you don't

1:09:46

wanna wear a mask, then maybe

1:09:48

you don't wanna go to the hospital

1:09:50

when you get sick. We have to

1:09:52

stop demonizing people and realize the biggest

1:09:54

terror threat in this country

1:09:57

is white men. Your geography-

1:10:00

No one other countries, safe from your latte.

1:10:03

All those lines on the map. Only

1:10:07

the Melinas know where Ukraine is. We

1:10:09

have to stop coddling people when

1:10:12

it comes to this and the vaccine thing.

1:10:14

Oh, you can't shame them. You can't call

1:10:16

them stupid. You can't call them silly guys.

1:10:18

Yes, they are. The people who are not

1:10:21

getting vaccines, who are believing the

1:10:23

lies on the internet instead of science, it's

1:10:25

time to start shaming them. What else? Or

1:10:27

leave them behind. Sorry. That

1:10:31

was good. Sorry. That was

1:10:33

a good one. I needed that. Oh,

1:10:37

geez. How painful. What

1:10:40

I love about Megan is she

1:10:43

always has the receipts. And I remember when

1:10:45

he was fired, we did the show. And

1:10:48

you had all of this. And it's like you've

1:10:50

got this memory of an elephant where you can

1:10:52

just put it together again. And you don't forget.

1:10:54

And that's what I love, because there's so many

1:10:56

people in media that don't have a memory about

1:10:58

all this and think they can reinvent themselves. But

1:11:00

no, we remember. I mean, this guy, not

1:11:03

only all of the clips that you showed,

1:11:05

which are obviously horrifying

1:11:07

stuff, but there was

1:11:09

like he was texting

1:11:11

coworkers, threatening things. And he

1:11:14

was doing all sorts of burner

1:11:16

phones, like psychotic shit. But also

1:11:18

little things too. Megan,

1:11:21

did I ever tell you my down lemons story? Maybe did

1:11:23

I tell you guys this? I don't think so. I

1:11:25

was at a reception, widely, widely attended reception.

1:11:27

And I was standing in line for a

1:11:30

drink. And I waited a long time for

1:11:32

my drink. And Don Lemon comes

1:11:34

up and jumps in front of me. And

1:11:36

he's like, excuse me, I need to catch an airplane.

1:11:38

And I was like, oh, OK. Well, important,

1:11:40

famous person, you've got to catch an airplane? Fine, sure.

1:11:42

Go ahead. 45

1:11:45

minutes later, I'm in a conversation with somebody.

1:11:47

And he's there getting another drink. Oh

1:11:50

my gosh. So he

1:11:52

just lied so that he could jump in

1:11:54

front of a line. So I didn't think

1:11:56

he was that bad until now. He

1:14:00

has no problem with the terror threats that are

1:14:02

coming from Hamas or the actual terror unleashed

1:14:05

by Hamas, or at least so it would seem

1:14:07

for much of his coverage over there on MSNBC.

1:14:10

And believe it or not, they finally fired his ass.

1:14:13

I'm amazed. There must

1:14:15

be enough liberals

1:14:18

or Democrats who are not

1:14:20

woke watching MSNBC

1:14:23

that they complained about his

1:14:26

egregious coverage. Do

1:14:29

we have the sambay where he announces he's leaving? I don't think we

1:14:31

have that one. He announced the

1:14:33

other day he's leaving. And

1:14:36

he's excited for what's next. They always

1:14:38

say that. OK, there's nothing next.

1:14:40

And maybe he's going to Al Jazeera. And

1:14:43

in part, we believe this is why he got the boot.

1:14:45

Here's SOP 40. Biden

1:14:48

and a lot of people in America may see Ukraine

1:14:50

and Israel as the same. A lot of people around

1:14:52

the world see Russia and Israel as the same. The

1:14:54

Israel is the occupier of the West Bank and Gaza.

1:14:57

I'm wondering what your take is about

1:15:00

separating out all of this noise, sort of

1:15:02

the ground noise with the signal, which is

1:15:04

what Donald Trump now faces. I genuinely think

1:15:07

we need to start having a discussion about

1:15:09

whether this guy is a flight risk. If

1:15:12

the election deniers on the right win

1:15:14

in 2022 in November next month, to

1:15:16

me, democracy looks like it's

1:15:18

over in America. Fascism is here to stay.

1:15:20

Woke is often used by conservatives as

1:15:22

a way to complain about black people

1:15:24

and black activism. Bye.

1:15:29

Don't let the door hit you. Well,

1:15:31

Pete, Almegan, something really interesting happened

1:15:33

to the progressive left after Hamas's

1:15:35

horrible attack on Israel, where it

1:15:37

sort of separated the wheat from

1:15:39

the shaft. And I think a

1:15:41

lot in this quote unquote woke,

1:15:43

very progressive left, have been saying

1:15:45

a lot of these same things over a long

1:15:47

period of time that just hadn't gotten much attention,

1:15:50

basically because they're only speaking to themselves. And

1:15:53

then the subsequent debate that happened

1:15:55

after that attack and

1:15:57

the rush to defend Hamas

1:16:00

by people like this cat made

1:16:03

normal progressive, like, you know, center left Democrats

1:16:05

all of a sudden very uncomfortable as if

1:16:07

they didn't know what was happening under their

1:16:09

myths. And it's not just happening on TV,

1:16:11

like this is happening everywhere in media, but

1:16:13

it's also look, it's happening in higher education

1:16:15

for the first time in 40 years, somebody's

1:16:18

taking a look under the hood being like, wow,

1:16:20

they're super anti semitic. That's incredible. And

1:16:23

all of this is relatively new.

1:16:25

But it's not new to them.

1:16:27

Like these guys, this is this

1:16:29

is a well worn ideological mainstream

1:16:31

view of the progressive left, that

1:16:33

this guy just happens to say,

1:16:35

but now it's under a little

1:16:38

different lens than it used to be. And

1:16:40

I'm not surprised he's on the way out

1:16:42

the door. Yeah, I mean, I think that

1:16:44

that on point is for so long, we've

1:16:46

seen for at least the past 20 years,

1:16:48

you know, this kind of like ultra left

1:16:50

progressivism, which is taken over the party, the

1:16:52

beating heart of it is this extreme

1:16:54

activist left. And they've gotten

1:16:56

away with, you know, after George Floyd, there

1:16:59

was a summer of riots. And that was

1:17:01

like, oh, well, you know, riots are the

1:17:03

voice of the unheard is what we were

1:17:05

being told. And all this behavior was excused

1:17:08

for so long and became part of left

1:17:10

wing orthodoxy where they're like, oh, well, you

1:17:12

know, white people are terrorists. And the worst

1:17:15

thing in America is the white man and

1:17:17

everything was framed through the lens of

1:17:19

there's colonialism. And then there's the people

1:17:21

who suffer under colonialism, pitting essentially everyone

1:17:23

against each other. And when

1:17:26

the American people saw these horrors

1:17:28

of Hamas themselves filming, butchering

1:17:31

women, children, entire families, anyone

1:17:34

with an ounce of humanity was able to

1:17:37

see the moral clarity of that moment, except

1:17:40

for those ultra left wing individuals who have

1:17:42

had such sway in that party for so

1:17:44

long and felt free to come out and

1:17:46

march on the streets, saying that they support

1:17:49

Hamas were who felt free to rip off

1:17:51

photos of kids who had been kidnapped From

1:17:54

walls, they thought they were okay, that they

1:17:56

had been part of this movement, which has

1:17:58

enabled all this behavior. The be fine with

1:18:01

it. And then for people like you know,

1:18:03

a son who are on a major network,

1:18:05

they realize that actually there's a lot people

1:18:07

who realize that that's completely nuts and he

1:18:09

paid the price for and rightfully so. The

1:18:12

other lot of people are the who just

1:18:14

think that the Declaration of Independence specifically states

1:18:16

would only be lectured by a British accent

1:18:18

and know dozens of a family are just

1:18:20

ready to move on. From with them

1:18:23

quite a and ah, census well

1:18:25

said. So. I will say.

1:18:28

The. October Seventh. Attackers than

1:18:30

clarifying in so many ways, so many ways

1:18:32

and chief among them what you just said.

1:18:36

But some on the last. It have

1:18:38

distinguish themselves in surprising ways.

1:18:41

And that brings me to. John Fetterman.

1:18:44

It's been. Remarkable. I.

1:18:46

Mean, I've seen some Babylon be. Put.

1:18:48

His son him like man regev or recovers

1:18:50

brain function and realizes he's a conservative. There's

1:18:53

like it's as thick as he's getting better

1:18:55

and I you have Did you have to

1:18:57

say he disease be getting better? Like his

1:18:59

senses are coming out more smoothly, his words

1:19:01

are making more sense. I don't know, I'm

1:19:04

not a doctor but aegis when you listen

1:19:06

to him, he's making more sense. While both

1:19:08

both actually ended his politics. On

1:19:10

and he's been one of the

1:19:13

most fierce defenders. Of. Israel.

1:19:15

This. Clip is making a lot of the route and

1:19:17

then net and it's brief in his party as brave.

1:19:20

On discusses making the rounds because he

1:19:22

was at this event the other day

1:19:24

and that South Africa of all nations

1:19:26

is going after Israel. For. It

1:19:28

it's human rights violations accusing Israel.

1:19:31

Budget South Africa. A accusing Israel

1:19:33

of a. Of a Genocide and

1:19:35

take a listen to John Fetterman. Analyses

1:20:08

on the Maginot Line. And

1:20:11

now South Africa now and settle for

1:20:13

that. That

1:20:15

is Not. What

1:20:18

about? A

1:20:25

Bad Guys and what effect? A. Amazing.

1:20:28

One hats off for Mitch Mcconnell replacing John

1:20:30

Fetterman with a Fat Tom Cotton. A

1:20:34

bonanza. Vast classes. It's bad.

1:20:36

it's bad. should see Israel thing. I

1:20:38

mean he's been gone after Bob Menendez.

1:20:40

yeah it. others like there's we're for

1:20:43

other things that it's like. He

1:20:45

really did all the sudden completely

1:20:47

change everyone's narrative about his ability

1:20:49

to sort of cognitively think. Things

1:20:51

and that. All this and now his

1:20:53

outspoken. he's completing sentences and he's like,

1:20:56

i don't know. Pretty. Concerned

1:20:58

about him that I thought I found it Interesting

1:21:00

theories on line of like the last time we

1:21:02

heard from his wife was my shoes? Like taking

1:21:05

the kids and fleeing to Canada. Like be

1:21:07

a pussy, come back maybe is was see

1:21:09

like kind of like puppeteering the sky and

1:21:11

then he's like. While she's not here,

1:21:13

so I guess I can say actually normal stuff, I

1:21:15

don't have to say great sadness. That.

1:21:17

It's as if I always i have

1:21:19

a pull. The other day was like

1:21:21

isn't a seventy one seventy three percent

1:21:24

approval rating in Pennsylvania right now? And

1:21:26

isn't there are definitely related of Pennsylvania's

1:21:28

deep blue. It's not. Right

1:21:30

now and it's it's entirely change

1:21:32

the perception of not only how

1:21:34

he was post stroke, but. How

1:21:37

he was before Old Am

1:21:39

he was a pretty progressive

1:21:41

leftist local. Leader for a

1:21:43

long time. And and all sat out

1:21:45

with alien their eyes like it's gonna be in

1:21:47

there. Is still in there. Are

1:21:50

you I have a question for for homes I generally

1:21:52

don't notice how's he been voting and the senate he

1:21:54

still dislike as left wing is ever see starting to

1:21:56

swing over like a cinema or something we now I

1:21:58

mean look at the haven't. lot of opportunity. I

1:22:01

mean, basically everything is team ball. It does.

1:22:03

They're voting in nominations because they're not doing

1:22:05

anything else. And so everything is sort of

1:22:07

Republican and Democrat. So it hasn't really changed

1:22:09

that so much. It's mostly rhetorical. But that's

1:22:11

the point, right? I mean, ultimately, with all

1:22:13

of these Democrats, they like everybody to believe

1:22:15

that they're sort of centrists and they are

1:22:17

thoughtful about things, but their voting behavior doesn't.

1:22:20

That's the one thing to watch with Fetterman.

1:22:22

Like if he actually crosses the line and

1:22:24

starts behaving like a Joe Manchin or a

1:22:26

Kirsten Sinema, then I'm going to start being a

1:22:28

believer. Well, it's that and also maybe putting on

1:22:30

a suit, you know, you'll know he's

1:22:34

fully made the transition if he gets into

1:22:36

a suit. I really like

1:22:38

to see that. But maybe we could do like

1:22:40

tax reform. If

1:22:44

he's taking on the terrorists, I don't care what he

1:22:46

wears. Yeah. I mean,

1:22:48

it's nice. But on the Senate

1:22:50

floor, still need to be

1:22:52

in a suit. Sorry. Old school. Stand by. Much,

1:22:55

much more. I have so many other fun things to get

1:22:57

to with you guys, like two of my favorite clips of the

1:22:59

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1:24:07

Eric I'm. A hundred that's the

1:24:09

remaining items together so we're just gonna

1:24:11

bang of our i'm not going to

1:24:14

pretend there's a thread is as lot

1:24:16

of good stuff on. First of all

1:24:18

whole the Are Are Better is on

1:24:20

Capitol Hill, seem to have a very

1:24:22

difficult. Time as of late

1:24:25

making the case that

1:24:27

Trump incited. An.

1:24:29

Insurrection. Take a list of.

1:24:33

Talk about the fact that President

1:24:35

Trump incited an erection in. Believe:

1:24:39

Donald John, Donald John

1:24:41

Trump Inside the. Eruption insurrections

1:24:43

and to inside the an

1:24:46

erection the insurrection which he

1:24:48

did. That. Ah

1:24:52

see moon just have already

1:24:54

been out of this is

1:24:56

a few segment brought to

1:24:58

you by Blue Chew. Up.

1:25:03

Every people with you that it's not the Babs

1:25:06

we are either, but that might be a new

1:25:08

was the fact that. I

1:25:12

can't get enough of it. It's like my. Favorite

1:25:14

thing it's that is it keeps happening in

1:25:16

that Jay Paul the let the latest to

1:25:18

do it and hers was great to see.

1:25:20

New to services. Are

1:25:23

such what are these people's minds

1:25:25

right? Very good. Longer get. Get.

1:25:27

Added a gutter. Maybe they had a

1:25:29

hunter biden photos being held. Accountable

1:25:33

for a fight it I'd

1:25:35

say. Nothing

1:25:39

of it. I got back. We talked

1:25:41

earlier about, you know, identity politics infecting

1:25:43

people's views. On things like Israel and

1:25:46

the Ones you know Silver lining is

1:25:48

people are starting see the light on

1:25:50

the nonsense that is d I an

1:25:52

identity politics and dividing us on race

1:25:54

and all the other stuff. Well. They

1:25:58

didn't get the memo apparently. over

1:26:00

at, hold on, where exactly is

1:26:02

this? Okay, at the

1:26:05

All Souls Choir Unitarian

1:26:07

Church in

1:26:10

Washington, D.C. Now this made the rounds

1:26:13

because the Babylon Bee tweeted it out saying, we

1:26:16

give up, we can do no better than this. I

1:26:18

watched this thing, it was from two

1:26:20

years ago, it was from 21. I

1:26:22

watched this thinking, this has got to be

1:26:25

parody, 100%, this is a joke, the Babylon,

1:26:27

2022. The Babylon

1:26:29

Bee must have been fooled. And as it

1:26:31

turns out, it's 100% real. The

1:26:34

lyrics were written according to the

1:26:36

screen by Ida Bay

1:26:38

Wells, who is the one behind the 1619

1:26:40

project. Yeah, Nicole Hannah

1:26:42

Jones, she goes by Ida Bay Wells. And

1:26:46

just watch and listen

1:26:48

to these lunatics. Lisa.

1:26:52

Lisa. Lisa. Lisa.

1:26:56

x white

1:27:21

rive ha

1:27:38

arrow to the mill, all of

1:27:40

you and the

1:27:43

halyard is oh

1:27:47

my god i

1:27:50

mean you know i think that's extremely telling

1:27:52

because this is their religion now yeah

1:27:55

i didn't i didn't not and demanding

1:27:57

absolute orthodoxy into believing in this on

1:28:00

this face completely absurd nonsense is their religion.

1:28:02

That's supposed to be a house of God.

1:28:04

I just, I didn't think you could outdo,

1:28:06

we wish you a Mueller Christmas. But

1:28:10

they've got it. They've

1:28:12

got it. You guys strapped. They all have masks

1:28:14

on, of course. In 2022. Strap

1:28:19

on the mask and give it hell. And you know,

1:28:22

I loved it in the bottom, the cello. You

1:28:24

know, it's like, Hey, what do we got? It's like, how do

1:28:26

you pull tune together? We got to get it.

1:28:29

We got sopranos, alcos. Let's just get

1:28:31

that snitches together. Huh? I like how

1:28:34

they engaged a different group at the crescendo.

1:28:36

It was like, it was a, it was

1:28:38

arranged. Like it was a him like in

1:28:41

the fervor. They're like, they're singing the battle

1:28:43

him of the Republic, but something

1:28:45

made up a lunatic writing

1:28:47

something on a blog in

1:28:49

Washington DC required hours and hours of

1:28:55

practice. And my favorite,

1:28:57

all right, depend on whether we have the

1:29:00

time to stand in line for hours to

1:29:02

vote. Like it's not even lyrical. It's not

1:29:04

even lyrical. It's like, they just, it's like,

1:29:06

they just chopped up an op-ed and they're

1:29:08

like, this is now leering for a song.

1:29:12

Not lyrical, Michael, but it

1:29:14

was arranged. It was

1:29:16

arranged. It was absolutely like, and now the

1:29:18

cello and now the sopranos, you

1:29:20

know what I mean? It's

1:29:23

very insanity. You guys need to do

1:29:25

a ruthless program version of this

1:29:27

with a response. You're right. When

1:29:30

you do your singing, challenge

1:29:32

accepted. Goal. Okay.

1:29:34

That's my duck in like these songs.

1:29:36

It's not, it doesn't rhyme. It's just

1:29:38

like the orthodoxy being repeated. Oh, right.

1:29:41

Like, and like the same way that

1:29:43

their late night comedy shows don't have

1:29:45

jokes anymore, they just say their lines

1:29:47

and the audience claps. It's like, it's

1:29:49

really bizarre. Tell us, I don't think

1:29:51

we're going to execute the ruthless version

1:29:53

of this without a female lead solo.

1:29:56

Oh yeah. I'd like to, I'd

1:29:58

like to at this time, whether or not. Megan, you'd

1:30:00

like to join us for this production. I mean,

1:30:02

I accept your challenge. I'm not a very good

1:30:04

singer, but neither are any of you. So

1:30:07

we're good. Good stuff, right? Never

1:30:09

stopped us. I

1:30:11

never know. That's what we love about you. Okay,

1:30:14

so it kind of reminded me, this

1:30:16

is a stretch, but I'll go there, kind of reminded

1:30:18

me of what we saw out in San Francisco where

1:30:22

their board of supervisors voted

1:30:24

eight to three in support of

1:30:27

resolution urging a ceasefire,

1:30:29

which is, of course, it's like, we've

1:30:32

been over this a million times. There was a ceasefire

1:30:34

on October 6th. Tell it

1:30:36

to Hamas. Israel is making

1:30:38

sure that there can't be another October 7th right

1:30:40

now, but take a look at what happened in San

1:30:43

Fran in SOP 33. We

1:30:46

go 5-3, we go 5-3, we go 5-3,

1:30:48

we go 5-3, we go 5-3. It's

1:30:57

the same group of people, but

1:31:00

on the West Coast, they're all

1:31:02

masked. It's 2024. Everyone

1:31:04

has a mask on. Megan,

1:31:07

they're not all masked. I don't know if you noticed toward the

1:31:09

beginning of that clip, there's

1:31:11

a woman with a KN95

1:31:13

mask holding a baby. The

1:31:15

baby was unmasked. So

1:31:18

my question is, if it's so

1:31:20

bad that you're wearing the KN95

1:31:22

Super Suction, but the kid

1:31:24

doesn't have anything, just

1:31:26

frankly, some kind of protective services. The protective

1:31:28

services ought to be called on her. Look

1:31:31

at these lunatics, you guys. Look at these people. This

1:31:34

is what we're up against. These people

1:31:36

and the singing choir people in BC,

1:31:39

like, I don't even, I don't know,

1:31:42

how are we gonna talk to them? How are we gonna get them

1:31:44

out of the cycle? To

1:31:46

quote John Lovett, I can't believe we're losing

1:31:48

to these people. But like, what do you

1:31:51

think Hamas would do in that room? Right?

1:31:56

I mean, that's the thing that always gets me so much, is

1:31:58

they're like, oh, free pal, sorry. you know, the Hamas

1:32:01

is right. Here's my full Palestinian, uh,

1:32:03

Ed, right? Okay. You roll in there

1:32:05

with the pink hair with

1:32:07

your girlfriend and you talk to

1:32:09

Hamas. And we'll see how that works out

1:32:11

because I guarantee you they're very different perspectives.

1:32:15

Exactly right. See how that goes. Well, meanwhile,

1:32:17

these people sadly have access to our children.

1:32:20

Um, there was a story that popped up

1:32:22

the other day where, um, forgive me.

1:32:24

I'm forgetting the exact state. Uh,

1:32:27

my team will remind me, but the

1:32:29

fourth graders went

1:32:31

to school one day and had a

1:32:34

teacher that was a man and the

1:32:36

next day came back in and

1:32:38

said teacher was now allegedly a

1:32:40

woman, fourth

1:32:42

graders. Okay. Hold on. I have this, I

1:32:44

have it in front of me. Very young. Yeah. It

1:32:47

was in Washington. Um, here

1:32:49

it is. Yeah. From it's

1:32:51

lives of Tic Toc tweeted it out,

1:32:54

but it's Mar Vista elementary Springs, uh,

1:32:56

school out in Washington

1:32:58

state. Uh, miss

1:33:00

Snyder's fourth graders had quite

1:33:03

a surprise when miss Angela

1:33:05

transitioned to mr. Angel

1:33:08

fourth grade. I have fourth grader he's 10. They're

1:33:11

all nine and 10 years old. It's

1:33:13

a very tender age. And then

1:33:15

they thought it would be a good idea

1:33:17

to show the children, um, this

1:33:19

Nana. I

1:33:22

don't know what, who is this Nana? Somebody

1:33:25

reading the book. It

1:33:27

feels good to be yourself, which is

1:33:29

about a five year old boy who

1:33:32

believes he is a girl using

1:33:34

terms like non-binary transgender, cisgender, intersex,

1:33:36

gender identity, gender expression, sex, assigned

1:33:38

at birth, et cetera,

1:33:40

et cetera. All explained. And here's just

1:33:42

a little bit of Nana Nanny fee.

1:33:44

Is that her name? Nanny watch it. What

1:33:48

a baby's body looks like when they're born

1:33:51

can be a clue to what the baby's gender will

1:33:53

be, but not always. When

1:33:56

people get thrown, It's okay to let

1:33:58

them know. By

1:34:01

when she told her parents. I

1:34:05

know you think I'm a boy. But.

1:34:07

Really, I feel like a girl. Movie

1:34:12

was a girl alone on. They

1:34:14

just didn't know it at first. You might feel like

1:34:16

a boy. You. Might feel like a

1:34:18

girl. You. Might feel it both.

1:34:20

Boy and girl. Were. Like. Neither.

1:34:25

That. A cc. Is a little

1:34:27

be used yourself. Ah,

1:34:30

It's just too, you know? It

1:34:32

is. This is criminal behavior is just believe

1:34:34

people have. Very deep issues.

1:34:36

Mental health, the issues that need

1:34:39

to be taken care of and

1:34:41

they forcing kids. To. Be

1:34:43

a part of them acting out on

1:34:45

these impulses in these issues and these

1:34:47

kids didn't ask for this. And and

1:34:49

if you think a child being subjected

1:34:51

to this kind of confusing nonsense at

1:34:54

that age can't impact them, I had

1:34:56

a friend who pulled their kids out

1:34:58

of school in San Francisco because what

1:35:00

happened is that one child showed up.

1:35:02

The city years ago one shall showed up and

1:35:04

set to the other kids that they enter identify

1:35:06

as transgender. I was in second grade. A

1:35:09

week later, Hankins so that they

1:35:11

identified as transgender the following week. Or

1:35:14

fifty kids in a single great who

1:35:16

identify as transgender, which is something like

1:35:18

fourteen standard deviations out of of the

1:35:21

that the public at large. Which identifies

1:35:23

at which says that these kids don't

1:35:25

know what this means but they're being

1:35:28

lectured. To it by these

1:35:30

the reins individuals. These. Are impressionable. Kids

1:35:32

teach them math, teach them how to

1:35:34

read. Haven't got a recess? This

1:35:36

is just terrific that children are being

1:35:38

subjected to stop. It's disgusting midscale. It's

1:35:40

totally crazy it stoic. I will say

1:35:42

that as a ten year old as

1:35:44

me and my buddies and when when

1:35:47

I was ten that had the Mrs.

1:35:49

Robinson show up as Mr. Robertson here

1:35:51

and then they read the book like

1:35:53

detentions com? yeah because there's no way

1:35:55

like the double Die it's we would

1:35:57

have been able to keep a straight

1:35:59

face. Here in advantage of. It

1:36:03

so. Inappropriate. Fit. On

1:36:05

the. The. Here's here's a picture of Nana Cc.

1:36:07

Just take. A Lucky my. Eyes. Elle.

1:36:10

Magazine. Be sees the one of the

1:36:12

really well as the- Seconds.

1:36:15

To look the classes dope as either.

1:36:17

There's one circle of one square in her eyes.

1:36:20

A man this is like she's is the one who

1:36:22

read the book but this book it is being a

1:36:24

least on not just his fourth grade. the grade classes

1:36:26

is one. Of those books that they're sort of

1:36:28

trying to used to make the kids more.

1:36:31

Inclusive You lose sight, Confuse them What

1:36:33

fourth grader need to know. The term

1:36:35

says gender. I agree with Elon Musk

1:36:37

said that's a slur at I don't

1:36:40

want to be referred to as assists

1:36:42

woman. I'm a woman is only

1:36:44

one kind of woman. We don't need

1:36:46

any. Preludes, To woman.

1:36:49

There's no such thing. As a trans woman,

1:36:51

there's only a woman. And then there

1:36:53

are men pretending to be women. Admit.

1:36:56

That. That's it. And I think

1:36:58

book I vast majority of America is

1:37:00

not interested in entertaining insanity on this

1:37:02

issue any longer like I think they've

1:37:04

They've had their moments of these little

1:37:06

liberal strongholds across the country. being able

1:37:09

to the you know, completely pervert the

1:37:11

mines is innocent children but not be

1:37:13

were honorable mail Victor Cruz brew, phone

1:37:15

others. I mean this stuff is popping

1:37:17

up and it's getting put down pretty

1:37:19

quickly. Yeah, I mean. Look at a

1:37:21

hospital said have. You

1:37:24

been reading of that book? You get a. Your

1:37:27

sense person isn't entirely mentally sound

1:37:30

off his may. I may not be

1:37:32

objective on the sale at How about Ohio

1:37:34

she have already of the Ohio. Legislature.

1:37:37

Overriding. Mike. Dewine

1:37:39

V. Tell. Of the legislation

1:37:42

that would ban those. Surgical procedures,

1:37:44

On minors and they in Ohio.

1:37:47

God bless us lawmakers who said

1:37:49

he were overruling. You, We are

1:37:51

implementing that ban. That's. The

1:37:53

whole thing has been great. Because he tried, he tried to

1:37:55

reject it. And. Then as soon as

1:37:57

it became clear. He was gonna lose that fight he tried issue.

1:38:00

The negative order showing like he was. Actually, I'm.

1:38:02

People site. In any event, The voters have

1:38:04

their say, you guys have been amazing.

1:38:06

Today you did. To four hours. It's a

1:38:08

lot to ask of the Ruthless. Program Fellows.

1:38:11

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1:38:13

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1:38:15

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1:38:23

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1:38:26

the two. Of

1:38:29

of a deal for yeah hotel audience to

1:38:31

sell as a small combat with Jason Whitlock

1:38:33

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