"We will maintain a healthy skepticism towards all the big-name leaders in the church. We will check everything any pastor/teacher says against God's Word, and when it comes to the most powerful, multimillionaire "Super Pastors," we will assume the worst until convinced otherwise."—Steven Kozar We are joined by the gifted professional artist Steven Kozar, writer of the Messed Up Church blog, for a conversation centred in his critique of "the Evangelical Industrial Complex" entitled "A Manifesto of Christian Discernment". Steven Kozar has been a full-time professional artist since 1986, specialising in realistic watercolour technique, and his paintings have been sold in prestigious art galleries across the US and in the UK. In recent years he has been writing the Messed Up Church blog, and lately podcasting, with the aim of helping "hurting and/or frustrated people in the church... filter through all the shallow and confusing things" they've been told by the "Evangelical Industrial Complex" in the hope that they might "come to a deeper understanding of what it means to be a Christian." (For show notes please visit http://themindrenewed.com)