Joshua & Ryan discuss whether success leads to sadness, whether sadness leads to success, and how to deal with both with singer-songwriter Matt Nathanson. Listen to “Maximal” episodes of The Minimalists Private Podcast exclusively at patreon.com/theminimalists

Questions answered in this episode:

How do you get out of a funk when you’re dealing with despair, loss, and sadness? (1:12:19)

When did you stop comparing yourself to your mentors and heroes, and become happy with who you are? (1:24:15)