Brian Ashley is a licensed Clinical Psychologist who sat down with me recently to talk about his world. Have you ever wondered about the difference between psychiatry and psychology? Or how mental health professionals think about the world they inhabit? or about the extraordinary process of helping people deal with some of the most difficult things thy'll ever face in their lives? This is one of the most interesting and thoughtful episodes I have ever done--it deserves a careful listen.

Brian acknowledges the work of others in his field and offers his thanks to them. “I want to acknowledge the sources of so many of the ideas I have shared in this interview: David Malan and Harvey Barten for their development of psychodynamic practice and theory, Christopher Bollas for giving us the Unthought Known and a radical re-imagining of how to work with and through the emotion of breakdown, and the pioneering developers of Open Dialogue at Keropudas Hospital in Tornio, Finland.”