Ryan Taber and Katie Grinnan talk to us about Sailor's Valentines, King George III, period furniture, eversion, bastard mahogany, scale, dimensionality, specular narratives, the desert, dreaming, nature made strange, interiority, and much much more!

Ryan Taber is an artist and a furniture maker living and working in Los Angeles. He currently has a show of new sculptural works at the Torrance Art Museum in Torrance, CA. He also runs the wood program at Cal State University Long Beach.

Katie Grinnan is an artist who lives and works in Los Angeles. She has had solo shows at the Hammer Museum in Los Angeles and at the Whitney in New York, and recently she was included in the show, People, at Deitch Projects Los Angeles. She has a show coming up at the Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery opening on May 19th for recipients of the 2019 City of Los Angeles (COLA) Individual Artist Fellowship. She teaches in the sculpture program at Cal State University Long Beach and is currently represented by the gallery Commonwealth and Council.

Our interstitial music as always is Ocfif by Lewis Keller.We go out with a track from Toronto band Tough Age from their album Shame on Mint Records released in October 2017. You can buy the album on Vinyl and on cassette and even on Compact Disc or CD, quote “for the mini van”. They have a show coming up at The Baby G on June 26 in Toronto, Ontario.And the name of the track is ... Unclean