Designer and podcaster Debbie Millman on creativity, vanity projects, and how to inspire people to change. Also, she is Roxane’s wife, and Roxane tells us how they met and fell in love.

Mentions:

• Marcy Dermansky’s novel “Hurricane Girl” http://www.marcydermansky.com/hurricane-girl-book
• C.J.Hauser’s book of essays “The Crane Wife” https://cjhauser.com/
• “The Crane Wife” essay in Paris Review https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2019/07/16/the-crane-wife/
• “Why Design Matters: Conversations with the World’s Most Creative People” https://www.whydesignmatters.online/
• Design Matters Podcast

Credits: Curtis Fox is the producer. Our researcher is Yessenia Moreno. Production help from Kaitlyn Adams and Meg Pillow. Theme music by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugiura.

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