In this special episode of The Second Muse, former guest Ella Mine returns with collaborators Jac Thompson and S. Grant Parker for a live performance at North Wind Manor and a discussion about how art arises from pain to become a safe place dur

S2 E12: The Lost Art of Listening (Epilogue)

Jun 18th, 2020 28m 32s

In this last episode of Season Two, Drew Miller asks three questions of the Rabbit Room staff: How did you listen to music growing up and how have your listening habits changed? What is your advice for becoming a better listener? And who are so

S2 E11: Andrew Osenga interviews Drew Miller & Evan Redwine

Jun 11th, 2020 44m 54s

In this second-to-last episode of Season 2, Andrew Osenga joins the podcast to interview Drew Miller and Evan Redwine about Drew’s song “Death of a Dream.” They speculate on what precisely the dreams are that died and how this song and its acco

S2 E10: Taylor Leonhardt & Lucas Morton

Jun 4th, 2020 48m 36s

Drew Miller talks with Taylor Leonhardt and Lucas Morton about the making of Taylor's new song "Hold Still" from her upcoming album. They discuss Taylor’s quest to dig deeper into the songwriting process for her second album, songs as streams o

S2 E9: Don Chaffer

May 27th, 2020 47m 41s

Drew Miller talks with Don Chaffer about the song "Be Invisible" from his musical, The (Almost) Unforgettable Edwin Booth. They discuss the creativity to be found in the “fenced-in areas” of musical theater, the magic of seeing so many people b

S2 E8: Ella Mine & Evan Redwine

May 21st, 2020 38m 56s

Drew Miller talks with Ella Mine and Evan Redwine about the making of Ella's song, "Sound & Fury." They discuss Ella’s process of discerning how to tell such a personal story in the form of a concept album, the integral role of Shakespeare in “

S2 E7: Jeremy Casella & Ben Shive

May 13th, 2020 43m 23s

Drew Miller talks with Jeremy Casella and Ben Shive about the making of Jeremy's song, "Many Waters." They discuss the magic of mixing high language with common vernacular—in both music and lyrics—and God’s utter lack of pretense. They also gee

S2 E6: Becca Jordan & Lori Chaffer

May 6th, 2020 43m 42s

Drew Miller talks with Becca Jordan and Lori Chaffer about the making of Becca's song, "Keeping Time." They discuss the catalyzing conflict between ideas and reality, the rhythms of confidence and insecurity over the course of making a song, an

S2 E5: Asher & Aedan Peterson (NAMO)

Apr 29th, 2020 39m 42s

Drew, Asher, and Aedan discuss the gift of a blank page, the importance of beginning somewhere for the simple sake of beginning, and the indispensability of other people’s perspectives.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

S2 E4: Ben Shive

Apr 22nd, 2020 36m 45s

In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, The Cymbal Crashing Clouds, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit."They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the imp

S2 E3: J Lind & Lucas Morton

Apr 15th, 2020 47m 11s

Drew, J, and Lucas discuss the necessity of listening to negative emotions while writing songs, the deceivingly difficult work of self-honesty, and the mutual contingency of beauty and suffering.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informati

S2 E2: Andy Gullahorn

Apr 8th, 2020 47m 10s

Drew and Andy discuss Andy’s abiding love of math, the silent power of omission, the symbiotic relationship between convention and invention, and several iterations of “The End of a World” that preceded the final record.See omnystudio.com/liste

S2 E1: Sara Groves & Brown Bannister

Apr 1st, 2020 51m 7s

Drew, Sara, and Brown talk about the deceivingly difficult task of telling the truth in a record, the under-publicized connection between beauty and justice, and the magic of a well-written bridge.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informa

“Mercy” (Andrew Osenga)

Dec 17th, 2018 27m 1s

In this episode, Drew Miller interviews Andrew Osenga about his song, “Mercy.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“Drink It Down” (The Orchardist)

Dec 13th, 2018 28m 6s

In this episode, Drew is joined by his bandmate Janie Townsend and engineer Evan Redwine to discuss the making of The Orchardist’s album People, People—specifically the song “Drink It Down.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“Tomorrow Morning” (Wild Harbors)

Nov 30th, 2018 24m 58s

Drew is joined by Wild Harbors (Chris and Jenna Badeker) and Andrew Osenga to discuss their song, “Tomorrow Morning.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“The Fiddler” (Son of Laughter & Ben Shive)

Nov 6th, 2018 22m 52s

Drew is joined by Chris Slaten (stage name: Son of Laughter) and his producer, Ben Shive, to discuss Slaten’s song, “The Fiddler.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“Explaining Jesus” (Jordy Searcy & Lucas Morton)

Oct 17th, 2018 23m 20s

Singer-songwriter Jordy Searcy and producer Lucas Morton discuss the evolution of Jordy’s song, “Explaining Jesus.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“Maybe Next Year” (Andrew Peterson & Ben Shive)

Sep 25th, 2018 29m 14s

We discuss the storied evolution of Andrew Peterson’s “Maybe Next Year” from the album Resurrection Letters, Vol. 1.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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