[00:00:00] Moses: And we had one objective on lazy day. If you will call it an objective, it was to do nothing. Honestly, one of the hardest things I had to do every week was just literally have no schedule and nothing to do on a Monday, but I think that's the idea of play: giving space for spontaneity and, you know, just doing nothing.

Clement: That was the voice of Moses (Mohan), reminding us of the importance of carving out time in our daily life for nothing at all and making room for spontaneity. Like many of Moses' lessons, this one comes from his time spent as an ordained Zen monk.

Moses: I think play, in many ways, is a gateway to presence. It's a gateway to being mindful.

And it's always mindful of something, whether it's being mindful of the way you're engaging with your stakeholders... being mindful of the way you're engaging with yourself, your team... I think play offers a very wonderful, easy way to be with that.

Clement:  [00:01:00] Moses sits at the intersection of mindfulness and leadership, supporting multinational corporations and organizations in mindfulness and compassion training. As a coach and facilitator, his work serves to cultivate mindfulness, find resilience and remind us of what it means to be human.

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Laura: Go ahead and tell us in a show who you are now. I guess it's always hard to put it into words and put it into context, but... you were talking about being a traveler.

Moses: Yeah. Yeah. So I currently apply myself in bringing... basically the [00:02:00] wisdom traditions and methods from the wisdom traditions into the space of leadership and daily life.

That's the essence of what I do right now. And specifically that takes two forms. One is really bringing the tools of mind training to large organizations, trying to create more human, thriving cultures that... hopefully care [about] more than the profit line and, you know, into people and into the planet. So that's one way of that application right now.

And the other really is bringing tools of self-awareness and coaching to bear on a one-on-one and team basis. So that's, that's the context of who I am right now, uh, both professionally and somewhat personally, in a nutshell.

My background is from strategy. I spent most of my career in management consulting... quite quickly looked around and saw that there was a huge amount of suffering. You know, the classic things like alcoholism, overwork, sexual misconduct, you name it. And I thought to myself then, if these were the smartest people in the room, something's not right here.

[00:03:00] So that got me to exploring the space of coaching for a period of time as a way to be of service and really as a way to uncover who I am and to operate more from a place of purpose and a place of intention.

And long story short, that led me to also spending some time as a monk, which I considered, actually, as a full-time career. But I ultimately felt that I needed to bring the monastery out here rather than people into the monastery... which is why I'm here having this conversation and doing what I do, hopefully making a little bit of change in my own way. And so, yeah, that's, that's about me in a nutshell.

Laura: So how does someone come from a monastery setting, as a monk, and leave that full-time job and enter back into this so-called real world rat race, working with, you know, large companies. You've worked with government, you know, FMCG you've worked with Ikea, Unilever, you name...