Undrafted by the NFL out of the University of Maryland, Phil Costa fought and clawed his way onto the Dallas Cowboys, where he played for four years. He and Spanny talk injuries, financial prudence, playing weight, and transitioning out of sports. Phil is now a medical device expert who has participated in over 500 heart surgeries. His own ups and downs led him to co-author ”The Transition Playbook,” a resource for high-level athletes moving into new lives and careers. (And it has a Spaniard chapter!)

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