We had a lot of fun recording this episode as you can probably tell. Apologies from Mat for being a bit mumbly, as he was sat in the room where the recording was happening, there's no excuse. He will try better next time!

Trudie Jaye 

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We talked a lot about: 

20 Books to 50K

Craig Martell

Romance Writers of New Zealand, and of course SpecFicNZ. 

Your hosts:

Kura Carpenter

Nix Whittaker

Mathew Danaher (who also does the recording, producing, and editing). 

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