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Show Notes for Episode 44.2

In this episode, we are continuing our interview with Pastor Karl Vaters. Please make sure that you have already listened to the first half of the conversation.

Pastor Karl Vaters is the author of The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials, as well as a regular blogger at ChristianityToday.com. He has 28 years of pastoral experience as a small church pastor in Southern California and has a fantastic ministry of encouraging small church pastors to make the small church great again!

We mentioned Karl's helpful article: It’s Time for Small Churches to Become Great Churches

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