Jason Heller is an author, journalist, bassist, and Hugo-winning editor. Jason and Jayme have a great time talking outlines, the future of post-apocalyptic fiction, tricks writers play on themselves, and his forthcoming book "Strange Stars." Before Jason comes on, Jayme shares her NanoWriMo progress, books she's reading, and updates about the show. This episode features the song "Corpse Candle" by Weathered Statues. Support the show on patron.com/toomanywords!