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What about you? Like you've

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got a white mom and you believe

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that all white people are inherent. So your mom

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is inherently racist.

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Yeah, I mean, I can

0:27

tell you I didn't look into these ideas too deeply.

0:30

I can definitely say that. Which

0:33

is why they fell apart whenever I was pressed

0:35

on them. I think I would have found a way to

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blame it on the people who I disagree with. I

0:40

really think I would have managed. I

0:43

really think I would have managed. I

0:45

was really good at just

0:47

running my mouth and twisting words.

0:50

If you look into leftism and you look into it

0:52

deeply, and especially identity politics, you

0:55

will find that there is no space to be whoever

0:57

it is that you want to be. There is no space

0:59

to think whatever it is that you want to think.

1:01

And in fact, they are hell bent

1:03

on pushing people into boxes. I

1:07

felt no greater racism than

1:09

going on the internet and saying I am

1:11

a conservative. It was unbelievable

1:14

how quickly people jumped to me and said, well,

1:17

you're a female. You couldn't possibly be conservative.

1:19

You're half black. You couldn't possibly be conservative.

1:21

This is the box that is created for those identity

1:24

markers. And we must jam you into

1:26

that box. And if you do not fit, you

1:28

are alienated. You are no longer a part

1:30

of the club. If you want to

1:33

really experience or

1:35

get as close to the Jim Crow experience

1:37

as possible,

1:38

be a black person that comes out as a conservative

1:40

and you will experience it.

1:59

conversations with fascinating

2:02

people. Our brilliant guest today is a

2:04

fellow YouTuber, Amalaya Pannobi. Welcome

2:07

to Trigonometry.

2:08

It's good to be here, guys. It's great

2:10

to have you on. We've been trying to do this for a while. It

2:12

didn't happen, then happened. Now we're here. Anyway,

2:15

it's great to have you on the show. Thanks

2:17

for coming on. Before we get into

2:19

the conversation itself, we always

2:21

ask our guests, what is your story? How did

2:23

you get here? You've

2:25

had quite an interesting story, even though you're

2:28

very young. Tell everybody what that's been

2:30

like.

2:31

Sure. I'm Amalaya. I'm 22 years

2:33

old. I'm currently working as

2:36

a podcaster and social media

2:38

content maker for PragerU

2:41

and talking about

2:42

conservative or at least right-of-center values

2:45

on a daily basis. I got here

2:48

by virtue of actually being a

2:50

reformed woke leftist. I grew

2:52

up in a very small town in rural

2:55

conservative Florida and happened to be raised

2:57

by a single mother who is

2:59

a leftist herself and works for the political

3:02

left. Growing up with

3:04

her and with her influence, I was

3:07

really deeply entrenched in woke ideology

3:10

and thought that the best

3:11

case of action that I should pursue

3:14

in my life was to be an activist. I graduated

3:16

high school, started working for the very

3:18

same organization that my mother was at as

3:21

a youth organizer. Essentially

3:23

going around and finding other young

3:25

people who were maybe disillusioned with the state

3:27

of America and drawing

3:30

them down the pipeline of wokeism.

3:32

I did that for about a year

3:35

before realizing,

3:36

this is not the ideology for

3:39

me. I was finding a lot of hypocrisy.

3:41

I was feeling that a lot of the things that I was

3:43

doing were a bit too radical and ended

3:46

up leaving that organization, searching

3:49

for where I laid politically.

3:52

That ended up being right-of-center. Eventually,

3:54

I just started making videos about that

3:57

transformation in my life and that period. it

4:00

brought me to where I am now. And one

4:02

of the interesting things that I read in

4:04

terms of the research is, while

4:06

you have moved from the left to being

4:09

right of center, you also, when

4:11

we saw this, both you

4:13

and us and a bunch of other people with the

4:16

Matt Walsh incident, where you're quite happy to

4:18

push back against people who you think

4:20

are going too far on your own side as well. So

4:23

is that because you've seen what radicalness

4:26

does whichever side of the political spectrum it's

4:28

on?

4:29

Yes, it's definitely partially

4:31

that. And it's also that having been

4:33

a woke leftist and having changed my mind,

4:36

I have a good idea for what

4:38

works and I've tested it in

4:40

going around to different universities and talking to

4:42

students who really disagree

4:45

with everything it is that I stand for and that I have

4:47

to say. And I found that the best course of action

4:49

for talking to those sorts of

4:51

people is,

4:53

A, trying to understand where they're coming

4:55

from and B, not really

4:58

indulging in those ad hominem attacks that

5:01

we sometimes want to throw out

5:03

at people and trying

5:05

to

5:05

usher them over to the other end of the

5:08

spectrum by just giving them facts and trying

5:10

to meet them where they're at. And I felt with

5:13

the Matt Walsh video, much like you both did, that something

5:15

needed to be said because I didn't want that to be a representation

5:18

of where we are in the fight against gender

5:21

ideology.

5:22

And you're very young for

5:24

someone to be on the

5:26

other side of the political spectrum. Normally

5:28

it happens in their 30s and their 40s when

5:31

they start to earn a bit of money and they go, hang

5:33

on a second,

5:34

right? So what was the moment

5:36

for you? What was your Red Pill moment? Let's just call it

5:38

that. Sure. There

5:41

were many. I say this a lot. There

5:43

was no specific light bulb moment

5:45

that really flipped things

5:47

over for me. It was gradual

5:50

meeting of just roadblocks when

5:52

it came to what I was trying to support. And

5:54

I tried so desperately to hold

5:57

on to my left-leaning ideology

5:59

because I had...

5:59

I've staked so much of my life on it and so much

6:02

of my identity on it. I even

6:04

have a black power fist that's tattooed

6:06

on my arm here that people can see in my other

6:08

videos. And I got that

6:09

when I was 16 years old. How's do we order, Marla?

6:12

Yeah. I got that when I was 16 years

6:15

old, thinking, you know what is brilliant?

6:17

Let me brand myself with this sort

6:19

of pseudo religious symbol because

6:21

I'm never gonna deviate from this

6:23

sort of thinking. But

6:25

if I could hone in on one moment in particular,

6:28

when I was working for this organization, we

6:30

would come together and have meetings. And before

6:32

every meeting, we do community agreements,

6:35

which are basically rules that everybody

6:37

abides by throughout the duration of the conversation.

6:40

So things like state your pronouns before

6:43

you speak for the first time, or

6:45

if someone has a story

6:47

that is

6:48

particularly oppressive and sad, let them speak

6:50

the whole way through, no interrupting. And I

6:53

had a coworker come up and

6:55

at the end of her community agreements, essentially

6:57

say that all the white, cisgendered

7:00

heterosexual people in the room just shouldn't speak

7:02

at all during this meeting. It just wasn't their

7:04

time. They had their time in history.

7:07

And being biracial, I was

7:09

raised by the white side of my family. So

7:11

I sort of looked around this room of people

7:13

who were nodding in agreement and thinking

7:15

that was the right thing to do. And I just had

7:18

this little thought that was like, Amala,

7:21

you're in the wrong room, I think. I think

7:23

you're in the wrong room. And

7:25

just ended up exploring that further. And

7:27

now here we are. Do you

7:29

think part of the problem with the left is

7:31

if they stuck to the idea of, look, society

7:34

is unequal, there's rich and there's poor,

7:36

there's an ever widening gap between the two,

7:39

this is clearly unfair. We need to do something

7:41

to make society fairer economically.

7:45

You might not have had that moment and

7:47

other people might not.

7:50

Yeah, I

7:52

think had they stuck to, some

7:55

of the earlier tenants of their ideology,

7:57

we would be just really in

7:59

a better.

7:59

place as a society. It seems as though when

8:02

we look at, I guess, left versus right,

8:04

if we won't even put it that simply today, they've

8:07

sort of crossed over each other in a

8:09

lot of different ways. The left

8:11

used to be super pro-skepticism.

8:13

They were pushing pro-equality. They were

8:15

anti-establishment. And those

8:18

were the tenets that people really grasped onto. And

8:20

I think that's an amount of progressivism

8:23

that every society needs. Progressivism

8:25

is always welcome and it's necessary

8:28

to move forward as a pluralistic society.

8:29

But they sort of just changed

8:32

and shifted and morphed into something that is

8:34

completely deviated from what were the original

8:36

tenets. And that's why a lot of people have problems and

8:39

they're switching. I think,

8:40

like all of us right now having this conversation,

8:43

maybe we do have liberal leanings in us. I

8:45

think everybody does. But what they've become

8:48

now is just so far from

8:50

liberal.

8:51

Well, let's talk about that because you

8:54

are right off center. Francis and I didn't even

8:56

go as far as that, I don't think. We're kind of somewhere

8:58

in the middle trying to work out exactly

9:00

what we think. But one

9:02

of the things we've talked a little bit about already

9:05

is wokeness. And apparently, we

9:07

keep being told that this is a very hard thing to

9:09

define. In fact, no one who criticizes can

9:11

define it at all. Do you have

9:13

a definition of it that you use?

9:16

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of different

9:18

definitions because it takes so many different

9:21

forms. For me, it's kind of this proclivity

9:23

to use superficial identity

9:26

markers to make a statement

9:28

about oneself and their individuality.

9:31

And then to tribalistically

9:33

sort of group these people within

9:36

these identity markers and

9:38

categorize them in a hierarchical

9:41

system. If you look back at

9:44

early Marxism, it was a sort of

9:46

distinction was made by class and how

9:49

much money and wealth you had. And now with woke

9:51

ism, it's these identity markers that you can

9:53

sort of stack to become a

9:55

person of higher social status

9:57

and oppression has become currency in

9:59

that.

9:59

that way under this system. If

10:02

that makes sense. Yeah. It makes perfect

10:04

sense. No, it makes perfect sense. That

10:06

makes complete sense. But I

10:09

put it to you, Amala, because this is a

10:11

question that I struggle with.

10:13

Can you not be against that and still

10:15

be on the left?

10:17

You know, I think you

10:19

can. And that's why we're seeing a lot

10:22

of people right now who are identifying

10:24

as heterodox or politically homeless.

10:27

And I'm currently on that journey

10:29

myself of walking around

10:31

and hearing all these political labels and

10:33

then getting a million definitions for what they

10:35

mean. And sometimes people will talk

10:38

to me and say, oh, well, you've identified as conservative.

10:40

That means this, this, and that. And now I'm

10:42

in a space where I'm saying, okay,

10:44

just ask me on an issue by issue basis.

10:47

I'll tell you how I feel

10:47

about that certain issue. And that's

10:50

how we should all be as individuals. I

10:52

think the labels have really

10:55

harmed us, but

10:56

we are patterned human beings,

10:59

and that's what we like to go by, and that's what we use. I think

11:01

you can certainly be a left-leaning

11:03

or liberal person without subscribing

11:05

yourself to Wokism.

11:07

And coming back to something you said earlier, Amala,

11:09

in terms of the ability to persuade

11:11

people, that's something we think about a lot on

11:14

this show, because ultimately

11:16

I think that it will be the answer, particularly

11:18

with young people who, in

11:21

your case, it doesn't sound like you'd been exposed

11:23

to a different worldview

11:25

prior to actually having the

11:27

experience of being confronted with what

11:29

some of the views that you held meant in

11:32

practice and in reality, right? But

11:34

it also doesn't sound to me like you

11:36

were persuaded by anyone, you were persuaded

11:39

by experience. So is it actually

11:41

possible in your opinion to persuade

11:43

people to

11:44

a different point of view by talking to

11:46

them? I do

11:48

think it's possible. For me, it

11:51

was a combination of

11:53

things. I had these unanswered questions and

11:55

these deep feelings that I just couldn't

11:58

quite place. And

11:59

as a young person, I turned to the internet.

12:02

So I started going online

12:04

not to find different opinions, but

12:06

to reinforce my beliefs and to sort

12:09

of find the statistics that support my

12:11

ideas about police brutality and systemic racism.

12:13

And then I stumbled upon people who

12:15

were content creators with

12:18

a conservative mindset or just

12:20

looking for the objective

12:22

truths in regard to these matters. So

12:25

I ran into Tom Sowell and

12:27

Larry Elder and Dave Rubin and all these

12:29

people who were having these discussions. And

12:32

once you start watching these videos, you

12:34

just fall down a rabbit hole. And for me, I

12:37

just fell down that rabbit hole of people

12:39

talking to me through a screen. And

12:41

that was how I woke up. But when I

12:43

go to universities and meet

12:46

with young people who are just like I

12:48

was, say, four years ago, and

12:50

have a lot of vitriol and hatred towards

12:53

people who disagree with them,

12:54

the most success that I've had is

12:57

in telling my story of being a former leftist

12:59

and kind of looking at them and saying, you know, four

13:02

years ago, I would have been the one who organized the protest

13:04

that you all are here for right now. And now

13:07

I just want to have a conversation with you. And

13:09

I don't want any gotcha moments. I'm not

13:11

trying to come at you and make you

13:14

feel stupid or brainwashed.

13:16

And it's had a low success

13:18

rate in that maybe five out of the 50 students

13:21

that are protesting me come into the speech.

13:23

But I think five is better than zero.

13:25

And it's better than a lot of conservative

13:28

pundits, at least at the time, are getting.

13:30

Amala, I see the way

13:32

sometimes, and maybe we've been

13:34

guilty of this, or maybe I've been guilty of this,

13:37

you

13:37

know, the way that we talk about your generation.

13:40

And a lot of the time, it's not particularly

13:42

complementary and whatever else.

13:45

And analyzing it now, I

13:48

think that's actually quite unfair.

13:50

Why do you think it is that

13:53

so many of your peers

13:55

ascribe

13:56

to this ideology? I would have loved if

13:58

you'd ask you, why do you think it is? There's so many of your

14:00

peers, a woke snowflake idiot.

14:06

I was going to interrupt you and say, you know, a lot of the criticism

14:08

is rightful, our generation is pretty messed up,

14:11

at least in my experience and meeting them. Why?

14:14

I think

14:15

that's just youthfulness at its core

14:17

is wanting to be transformative,

14:21

wanting to be rebellious

14:23

and a

14:25

little bit of cynicism I think is mixed in, in

14:27

youth as well. And I think with that, you have this

14:29

perfect cocktail for wanting to be

14:31

a leftist. We are

14:34

searching for value or searching for a fight.

14:36

At least I certainly was at that age.

14:39

And it was served to me on

14:41

a silver platter. Not only do you have something

14:44

to fight, but it's given to you by virtue of being born

14:46

the way that you're born. So here's the fight. Here's what

14:48

you have to do. And the only

14:50

way that you get through this is by going out and convincing

14:53

other people to be activists towards this

14:55

cause. So it's extremely enticing.

14:58

And then you couple that with a group

15:00

of people who also wants to give you everything.

15:02

We want you to have a free

15:05

school. We want you to have universal basic

15:07

income. We want to sort of even out the economy

15:09

and make sure that there's no poverty and everybody's

15:12

doing well and everybody's educated and all

15:14

of these things sound wonderful.

15:16

Plus they give you a fight to fight. So I think

15:19

that's why young people love leftism,

15:22

conservatism, or even going

15:24

through and trying to find objective truths

15:27

is a lot harder to do. And it's a

15:29

lot less fun. It's definitely not as cool

15:31

to hear that you don't have as many problems

15:33

and you don't have sort of a crutch to stand

15:36

on for where you're at in life.

15:38

But

15:38

also, I mean, if you look at

15:40

the history of the United States, it's not

15:43

great, like a lot of histories or actually every

15:45

history of every country, there's been inequality, there's

15:47

been racism. So isn't there a kernel

15:49

of truth to these people's arguments?

15:52

Yes. So I

15:55

talk a lot about where woke ideas

15:57

come from and how they sort of become.

15:59

courses essentially at college that you

16:02

can now take and a lot of people

16:04

will say well, how dare how could you be against critical race

16:06

theory? They're teaching at a Yale, they're teaching it at Harvard, things

16:08

like that. And it's because these

16:10

ideas start with a very strong moral

16:13

impulse. I think a lot of people who

16:15

are anti-woke get one

16:17

thing in particular wrong and it's that these people

16:19

sort of lack a strong sense of morality

16:22

or that they are inherently immoral. That's not the case

16:24

at all. In fact, they're very strongly

16:27

driven by their moral impulses.

16:29

And when you look at America's

16:32

history and the transgressions that have been committed,

16:34

a lot of people have moral impulses towards

16:36

those things and they go absolutely, that

16:39

is a horrible thing that should have never happened.

16:41

And of course, we need to take some form

16:43

of reparative measures. And that's what woke

16:45

leftists think they're doing now.

16:46

The only issue is they

16:49

tend to skew to the most radical

16:53

form

16:53

of prescription that you could possibly give

16:56

to a problem like racism

16:58

or sexism instead of saying

17:00

this thing is wrong and we

17:02

should call out people when they do it and there

17:04

should maybe be social repercussions for somebody

17:07

who is racist or sexist.

17:09

They skew all the way over to the left

17:11

and say, well, if you are white, you are inherently

17:14

racist. If you are a man, you are inherently

17:16

sexist. And we learn this throughout our history.

17:19

So they use the kernels of truth to

17:21

make a much broader claim that

17:23

people fall for. And

17:26

what are these kernels of truth, Amala? Yeah,

17:29

I mean,

17:30

we went through quite a long

17:32

history of slavery in this country. And after

17:35

freeing the enslaved, we went through

17:38

a Jim Crow era where we still

17:40

could not manage to legally prescribe

17:43

equality to our society. We

17:45

went through a period of time where women

17:47

couldn't vote. They were not

17:49

enticed to get educations

17:52

or have jobs. There are

17:55

certain disparities among people

17:57

based on their race, their age,

17:59

their

17:59

their size, all of these things exist and

18:02

should be discussed and talked about. And

18:06

it's funny, we fight on the

18:08

prescription for how we solve these things, but

18:11

we also fight on whether or not we're willing to acknowledge.

18:13

And I think everybody should acknowledge that these

18:16

transgressions have existed throughout our history. It's

18:18

not a wrong thing to say. In fact, acknowledging

18:21

the transgressions should be a fulfilling

18:24

thing because we also acknowledge

18:26

the progress that we've made out of them.

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20:02

to me, Amala, I wasn't born here

20:04

in the UK. I'm from Russia originally. I

20:06

don't know what your family background is. I imagine

20:08

you were born in the US. But you probably

20:11

know that the things that you were talking about,

20:13

not in an identical way, but

20:16

they happened in every country. I mean,

20:18

I talk about it in my

20:20

book. Slavery was pretty common everywhere.

20:24

And actually, the British Empire was the

20:26

first to end it as opposed to being the

20:28

worst of the culprits and so on. So

20:31

do you have any insight into why

20:33

our societies in particular have become

20:36

so self-flagellating? And instead

20:39

of looking at those things that

20:41

we've just discussed in a kind

20:44

of, well, that's history, thank God we're not

20:46

there anymore, let's be grateful approach,

20:49

which is my view of it, really. We sort

20:52

of go, no, no, we're all terrible

20:54

and we must beat ourselves up endlessly about

20:56

it.

20:57

Yeah, I wish I knew why our

21:00

society in particular chose

21:02

to take that route. I would like to say

21:04

maybe we've become so comfortable

21:07

and we don't have as many problems here that we

21:09

are now trying to find them. And we've looked

21:11

to history to do that. But there's a lot of other

21:13

countries who are just as comfortable

21:16

as we are here in the US. I

21:18

think our academic structure

21:20

is maybe different than other countries. And

21:22

a lot of these ideas, when you trace them back

21:25

to their roots, are going back to the 60s and 70s where

21:27

you essentially

21:27

had

21:30

college students writing theories

21:34

about these ideas of

21:36

critical race theory or critical feminism.

21:39

And then these journals are published

21:42

and reviewed and published and reviewed. And eventually

21:44

they become tenured professors and they're teaching

21:46

classes like that. And I think maybe

21:49

our structure in academia or

21:51

our system here has given way

21:53

to these

21:54

issues. But I can't

21:56

really pin down why America has

21:59

so much to do. much guilt towards

22:01

its history and other countries don't. No,

22:03

you identified a couple of very

22:05

good points. One is comfort, the other is indoctrination

22:08

in school. You put those two together. You're

22:11

going to get some pretty powerful results.

22:14

Yeah, when I was first

22:16

going through this journey of finding people whose

22:19

ideas really resonated with me, I found

22:21

a man by the name of Yuri Bezmonov,

22:23

which I'm sure you're probably both familiar with. He

22:26

did

22:27

several speeches on ideological subversion

22:29

and how it starts with education.

22:32

And his videos, if the

22:34

people listening have not seen them, please

22:37

go and watch them because I think there's no better

22:39

description of what is happening

22:41

right now. And he claims that it starts in education.

22:44

So maybe that's the root cause.

22:47

Amelot, do you think as well with social

22:50

media, especially when you look

22:52

at during the pandemic, what happened

22:54

when we were all effectively locked in our homes

22:57

and we mainline social media and into our

22:59

eyeballs for 18 hours a day?

23:01

No wonder that social

23:04

justice and all these organizations

23:07

rose to prominence.

23:09

Yeah, it is. It's crazy how

23:11

bad you will think the world is if you're on

23:13

social media. It's unbelievable. I'm

23:15

of the opinion that we should not be

23:17

as hooked into news as

23:20

we are. It's sort of unbelievable

23:22

if we break down on a scale how

23:24

many

23:25

sad,

23:26

happy, it doesn't even matter, the

23:29

sort of emotion behind the stories, but how many stories

23:31

we are hearing on a daily basis, how often

23:33

we are looking at other people's faces on

23:35

a daily basis, how often we are seeing our

23:38

own faces mirrored back to us on a daily

23:40

basis. I don't think any of this is particularly

23:42

helpful or healthy for the human

23:44

mind. And social media,

23:47

I mean, we've studied and researched

23:49

as far as we know now because it's a

23:52

relatively new thing on the human brain

23:54

is deteriorating young

23:56

minds in particular. You have

23:59

not only this

23:59

influx of

24:01

stories that you're hearing all the time, which can make

24:03

you think the world is a lot worse than it

24:06

actually is. But you also have

24:08

comparing your life to other

24:11

lives, and young women in particular

24:13

are really susceptible to developing

24:15

mental health issues due to that.

24:17

And social media is also working on

24:19

a cycle of glamorizing,

24:23

fetishizing, oppression, mental

24:25

health problems. And you

24:28

go farther on social media the more unique you are.

24:30

And it's unfortunate that not everybody

24:33

can be the most unique person in the world, but we

24:35

can all try to emulate and

24:38

sort of absorb the things that we're seeing on social

24:40

media. And unfortunately, I think we're absorbing some

24:43

of the worst bits of what's on

24:45

the internet. And anecdotally,

24:47

looking at your own generation, in

24:50

particular, women, what have you seen?

24:53

Oof. I mean,

24:55

with young women on the internet, I think it's

24:58

really changed everything. The internet

25:00

used to be, at least social media in particular,

25:02

used to be a sort of highlight reel of your life,

25:05

and everybody for the most part knew it was fake.

25:07

You're not on the beach every day, you just took 50 photos,

25:10

and now you're posting them. And

25:12

you're not really living this glamorous life.

25:15

And you and your boyfriend are so in love, but I saw

25:17

you guys fighting last weekend at the football game, stuff

25:19

like that. But now, social media

25:21

is just how many pieces

25:23

of myself can I put on the internet,

25:26

and we're sort of mining all the

25:28

bits of us that we feel we can commercialize

25:31

to other people. And

25:33

young women, when they're going

25:36

through just their formative years,

25:38

I went through it, being exposed to social media

25:40

can just fry your brain. You're

25:42

seeing people who look nothing

25:44

like you who are getting all of this

25:46

attention. You see

25:49

just basically an algorithm

25:51

that's telling you what is valuable and

25:53

just how valuable it is. And you

25:56

start applying yourself to

25:58

your own social media account.

25:59

and seeing what bits

26:02

of you people take to and what bits of you people

26:04

don't. And essentially you're creating metrics

26:06

for your personality and who you are as an individual.

26:09

And

26:10

young women right now are struggling

26:13

way more than they ever had with suicidal

26:15

ideation, with different mental health

26:18

comorbidities. And

26:21

I struggle to think

26:23

that social media is not a deeply

26:26

set

26:27

part of that problem. Yeah,

26:30

particularly when we look at young

26:32

women and what's happened to them, it

26:35

always shocks me when I see women of your age,

26:37

Amala,

26:38

and they've got Botox. Why

26:40

have you got Botox? Why have you got lip

26:42

fillers? You are in the flush of youth. The

26:45

last thing you need is to freeze parts

26:47

of your face so you don't get wrinkles.

26:50

That to me, it strikes me as awful.

26:53

Yeah, it's crazy and I live in LA,

26:55

so it's like every woman,

26:58

every woman is, it's just so normal.

27:00

I'm like, oh, what are you doing this Saturday? Oh, you know, I'm going to get

27:02

Botox or I'm going to get filler. And there's a long

27:04

line of girls all doing the same and they're all in

27:07

their early twenties. And

27:10

we've just, it's grown

27:12

so normal. When you go on social media and you

27:14

see people who are using face

27:16

filters or their Instagram models

27:18

and they've gotten all this work done, you think, oh,

27:21

well, why shouldn't I do the same? And in fact, it's greatly

27:23

encouraged. I can't tell you how many videos

27:25

that I see of women saying, if

27:27

you need a sign to go get Botox, here's

27:29

your sign to do it today. Look

27:32

at my face, it's so beautiful. And

27:35

it sucks that women are

27:37

so obsessed with aging and

27:40

something that's going to happen naturally. And it sucks

27:43

that we cannot take on aging

27:45

as something that is beautiful and

27:47

something that should be celebrated. We're celebrating

27:50

all the wrong things. And

27:52

in fact, reinforcing what

27:55

feminists claim to be against in this idea

27:57

that beauty is something that needs to be held.

27:59

onto or beauty is something that you cannot keep

28:02

if you age naturally and just

28:05

so harmful. And I can imagine having

28:08

a young daughter in this

28:10

day and age who is looking up and seeing all of these standards

28:12

that they're somehow supposed to meet naturally but

28:15

can never do that.

28:17

And do you think that's part of the reason as

28:19

well that you

28:21

kind of drifted to the right when

28:23

you look at the things that are being

28:25

espoused

28:26

by society

28:28

and a lot of the time but also by people

28:30

on the left, you know, that you can be whatever you

28:32

want, you can change your gender, you can change

28:34

this, you can change that.

28:37

And the reality is they're denying

28:39

biology, they're denying human

28:41

nature and then it's a denial of nature itself.

28:44

Yes, the denial of truth

28:47

was a big mover for me

28:49

in changing my viewpoint on

28:51

a lot of different subjects. And it's also

28:53

the fact that there's

28:55

so much hypocrisy in that statement

28:57

of you can be whoever you want to be when you

28:59

really get down to the root of how they are implementing

29:02

this in their own lives. If you look into

29:04

leftism and you look into it deeply and especially

29:07

identity politics, you will find that there is

29:09

no space to be whoever it is that you want to

29:11

be. There is no space to think whatever

29:13

it is that you want to think. And in fact, they

29:16

are hellbent on pushing people into

29:18

boxes. I

29:20

felt no greater racism than

29:22

going on the internet and saying, I am a

29:25

conservative. It was unbelievable

29:28

how quickly people jumped to me and said, well,

29:30

you're a female, you couldn't possibly be conservative.

29:32

You're half black, you couldn't possibly be conservative.

29:35

This is the box that is created for those identity

29:37

markers and we must jam you into

29:39

that box. And if you do not fit, you

29:42

are alienated, you are no longer a part

29:44

of the club. So as much as they say, everybody's

29:46

special and unique and they can be whoever

29:48

they want to be, they don't think that at

29:51

all. And I think there's no greater,

29:53

I

29:54

guess, social experiment to prove

29:56

that that is the case than what's happening right now

29:58

with gender. If you... look at somebody like Dylan

30:01

Mulvaney who came up in that Matt Walsh video

30:03

who we've both been talking about quite a bit. Dylan

30:05

Mulvaney is a feminine man. It's

30:08

as simple and plain as that, but

30:10

because he's expressed himself femininely

30:12

they say, well you must now shove yourself into

30:14

the box that is womanhood and

30:16

we must now claim you as a woman. We must call

30:19

you she and her and this is the box that you

30:21

now fit in.

30:22

I'm pretty sure Dylan is quite happy to be

30:24

shoved in that box. I think Dylan

30:26

is desperate to get in that box. He

30:29

really is. I think he's proven that time

30:31

and time again, but the

30:33

issue still stands. There's no way you

30:34

are. I get your point completely. If

30:42

you're a fan of Thomas Sowell, the whole idea

30:44

of nature, he's written extensively about

30:47

how the left and the right see

30:49

that very differently.

30:51

I'm curious with you living in LA, do you have any

30:53

friends? I

30:55

do. I

30:58

have managed to find friends. I've

31:01

got some brilliant friends, some of whom

31:03

I've met through PragerU, others who I've met

31:05

just through moving to the city, met my

31:07

boyfriend here in LA somehow. I just

31:09

think I've been very lucky. No,

31:12

it's funny. The reason I ask is a very

31:14

good friend of ours called Bridget Fettisie who

31:16

you probably have heard of.

31:19

When we traveled around America last year, we did

31:21

a whole trip and we went to Virginia

31:24

and Washington and New York and a bunch of places.

31:27

Everywhere we went, there's gigantic

31:29

American flags all over the place.

31:32

Loads of houses have them outside. Then

31:34

we got to Bridget's house and she had this tiny

31:36

little American flag in the

31:38

corner of a little bit of a

31:41

door. That's California patriotism.

31:43

You have a flag, but it is about this big in

31:45

the corner because you can't have a

31:47

big one.

31:48

No, you're 100% right. Most of the people

31:50

who I meet who watch my

31:52

content here in LA, I can see

31:55

them because they kind of walk up to me and

31:57

they whisper that they like what I

31:59

have.

31:59

have to say or that they follow me on Instagram,

32:02

you can't say anything too loud. You have a lot of quiet

32:04

friends here in Los Angeles.

32:07

But surely,

32:09

Amala, it's going to come to a point with

32:12

LA, where in San Francisco,

32:14

where you look around and you go, this

32:17

can't carry on, this is insanity.

32:22

I like to think that's going to happen. I really

32:24

don't know. It's

32:27

crazy to watch as things just deteriorate,

32:29

and people, I don't know if they're not

32:31

making the connection between what

32:34

they're voting for and what's happening in their city,

32:36

or if they just simply cannot bring

32:39

themselves to tick

32:41

the ballot box of somebody who they

32:43

feel they fundamentally disagree with. I don't

32:46

know that it's going to change. And all the conversations

32:48

that I have with people who are supporting the stuff that's

32:50

happening in LA, it's kind

32:52

of like they just turn a

32:54

blind eye to the destruction.

32:57

And

32:58

you would think, like Yuri Bezmanov

33:01

says, you don't really recognize it until

33:03

the military boot kicks you in the ass. The military

33:05

boot is kicking them in the ass here, and they're

33:08

not making the connection. I don't know. I don't

33:10

know how long this lasts for. You

33:12

should be the person

33:12

who has the answer to this, because I guess the

33:15

question would be four years ago,

33:17

if someone had said to you, look around, there's

33:20

drug addicts who are not getting the help

33:22

they need, sleeping on the streets, being

33:24

sexually assaulted, spreading disease

33:27

to each other and the rest of the population. Like

33:29

all of that.

33:30

Surely, Amelie, you're against that as

33:32

a woke activist. Surely you want those people to

33:34

be better.

33:35

So what would your answer have been?

33:39

I think I would have found a way to blame it on the people

33:41

who I just agreed with. I really

33:43

think I would have managed. I really

33:46

think I would have managed. I was really

33:48

good at just running my mouth

33:51

and twisting words. And I think that's

33:53

exactly what I would. I probably would have spun

33:55

it and said, you know, the income disparity

33:57

is created by conservatives and we need to tackle

33:59

it.

33:59

rich and that's what's going

34:02

to help these people who are impoverished and who

34:04

are you know doing drugs on the street I

34:06

would have found a way knowing myself.

34:10

But

34:11

you know it like I said there's

34:13

got to be a point because there are

34:15

a couple of days ago Guy Pearce came out

34:17

the famous Hollywood actor actually I'm

34:20

a massive fan of I love his work and

34:22

he came out and went

34:25

look

34:26

you know shouldn't actors be able to

34:28

play all different types of roles and

34:30

shouldn't a non trans actor be able to play a

34:32

trans role? I

34:34

didn't even say that actually what he said was even

34:36

more gentle what he said is if trans

34:39

actors have to if you have to play

34:41

a trans

34:42

if a trans role has to be played by a trans

34:44

actor then is

34:46

it then

34:48

restricting what roles trans actors

34:50

can play so he was formally at least

34:53

looking out for the trans actors he wasn't

34:55

saying shouldn't we all be able to he wasn't

34:57

even that brave. No and then and

35:02

then obviously you know the

35:05

you know the

35:06

the might of all the all

35:08

the people who came out and were just saying he's this

35:10

he's that he's whatever else and he

35:12

had to make a groveling apology as they

35:14

all do

35:15

but you look at it and again you go this

35:20

surely and even an opinion

35:22

as reasonable as this one which is shared

35:24

by I would say probably ninety

35:27

eight percent of the population mm-hmm

35:30

and it's deemed to be incorrect this

35:33

isn't sustainable

35:35

it's not it's certainly not sustainable

35:37

and I don't know exactly how it falls apart

35:39

I think a lot of it is going to be with sort

35:42

of exactly what you just described them eating

35:44

each other alive because with

35:47

you know liberal people center people

35:50

right-leaning people for the most part there's

35:52

room there's a quite a bit of room for for disagreement

35:54

within their respective camps with

35:57

woke ism there isn't and that is

35:59

where I felt a lot a lot of pressure myself

36:01

and felt pushed away by them to answer

36:04

the questions that I had because I would

36:07

maybe raise my hand and go, oh, wait a second,

36:09

maybe open borders doesn't sound like the best

36:11

solution to the problems we're talking about here. And

36:14

you are chastised to hell. I

36:16

mean, it's crazy to even, the

36:19

amount of pressure you feel to completely

36:22

be subservient to everything that they say and to toe

36:24

the line. And I can imagine

36:26

that that pressure can

36:28

be a lot and it's a big weight for

36:30

a lot of people who would self-describe

36:33

as woke leftists. And I think

36:35

it has to be personal for you to change your

36:37

mind. And often that personal experience

36:40

that people have is being canceled

36:42

or feeling that pressure of having a

36:44

dissident opinion and maybe not being able

36:46

to verbalize it or when you verbalize

36:48

it, going through the attacks that you feel.

36:51

So I think that is part of how this

36:53

falls apart, but it's also gonna fall apart

36:56

in just the chaos that we're experiencing

36:58

in cities. It's unfortunate that that

37:00

doesn't happen, however, until

37:03

it hits the backyard of

37:05

legislators. In San Francisco, we saw Mayor

37:07

London Breed go, the crime has gotten too

37:10

crazy and we need to do something about it and we need to

37:12

reinforce our police officers when she was

37:14

one of the main pushers of the defund the police.

37:17

But it wasn't until the crime hit

37:19

her side of town

37:20

that

37:21

she had to say something about it. And that's the unfortunate

37:24

part of all of this. You have to feel the failing.

37:27

Yes,

37:28

and another unfortunate part

37:30

of it is how racist it all is.

37:32

You see white liberals,

37:35

and they're not liberals, but let's just call them what

37:37

they would identify as.

37:39

Yeah. Respect their pronouns. Her

37:44

racial epithets, ethnic

37:47

minorities, form disagreeing

37:50

with them. And you go, I

37:52

mean, this isn't right, is it? And everyone's like,

37:54

nope, this is what we do now. And you go, well,

37:57

I don't know if I'm on board with this.

38:00

Yeah, the so I

38:02

said before the the most racism I've ever

38:04

experienced was after coming out as a conservative and

38:06

I cannot I

38:08

Cannot press that enough. So I grew up

38:11

in a really small rural conservative

38:13

town It was surrounded by mainly

38:15

white people was

38:17

Subscribed completely to this idea of

38:19

racism and white people being inherently

38:21

racist, but it never experienced an ounce

38:23

of an ounce of it

38:25

I come out as a conservative

38:26

and suddenly every single piece

38:29

of racist rhetoric that is typically Scribed

38:32

to conservatives was hurled at me. I mean

38:34

I was called a house Negro I

38:36

was told that I would always be seen as an n-word

38:38

no matter what I did I was told that

38:40

I was an Uncle Tom a coon and of

38:43

course This is the same experience of Larry

38:45

Elder of Tom soul of Canada So ones of anybody

38:48

who chooses to come out and say these things if

38:50

you want to really? Experience

38:53

or get as close to the Jim Crow experience

38:55

as possible

38:56

Be a black person that comes out as a conservative

38:59

and it will you will you will experience it Instantly

39:02

like

39:02

can I ask you something about like your earlier

39:05

years because you mentioned growing up in a in

39:07

a mostly white small conservative town

39:10

You said you're raised by the white side of your

39:12

family, right?

39:13

Yeah, so You're

39:15

your mother is white. She's

39:18

raising you she Had

39:21

sex with a black guy Yeah,

39:23

like

39:24

how how are you then able in

39:26

that situation to think that you

39:28

know all white people are inherently racist when

39:30

you've got a white mom who Who

39:34

got together with a black guy and who's raising

39:36

a mixed-race daughter? Presumably she wasn't

39:38

calling you the n-word in your crib, right?

39:41

Right, right. No, my mom never got me the

39:43

n-word just So

39:45

yeah, my mom of course is a she's

39:48

a white ally But it's

39:50

interesting when I when I was

39:53

working with all of these white people including

39:55

my mother at this organization

39:57

They feel so much white

39:59

guilt that they themselves

40:01

feel there is no way to sort of separate

40:04

themselves from from the history of white people

40:06

and although it might not take

40:11

take form as blatant racism

40:13

towards black people they may have black

40:15

friends they may marry a black person and half biracial

40:17

kids they still recognize things like

40:19

unconscious bias or say

40:21

you know that they can still be

40:24

fall victim to prejudice against people

40:26

of color or maybe have some internalized ideas

40:29

towards people of color so there's always just

40:31

a little kernel still left there

40:33

to be able to push the narrative

40:36

that white people are inherently racist.

40:38

But what about you like you've

40:40

got a white mum and you believe

40:42

that all white people are inherent so your mum

40:44

is inherently racist.

40:46

Yeah I mean I I can

40:48

tell you I didn't look into these ideas too deeply

40:54

which is why they fell apart whenever I was

40:56

pressed on them. What

40:59

is so enticing about leftism

41:02

is not only that you don't have to

41:04

look into the idea so deeply but also

41:06

you are safeguarded in somewhat

41:08

of a cultish manner that

41:11

you have no obligation to defend those

41:13

ideas and that in fact the

41:15

very act of trying

41:17

to challenge somebody on those beliefs is an

41:20

act of racism is an act of sexism

41:23

so all I had to do was when people

41:25

were asking me questions about this go off

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43:12

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43:13

What does conservatism mean to you? Because

43:16

the thing is with all these labels,

43:18

they actually mean something very different to

43:20

different people. Someone will say, I'm conservative.

43:23

And you know what?

43:24

You ask a conservative in this country, their

43:27

chances are they're pro-gay marriage and they're

43:29

anti-gun. Now, if you do that in the

43:31

United States, that kind of means you're

43:33

a Democrat.

43:35

Yeah, it's interesting. And I

43:37

sort of came out of the gate when I had

43:40

this transformation and went, OK, well,

43:42

I actually fell for the same problem

43:45

that I had when I was a leftist where I said, well, if I'm not a

43:47

leftist, then I must be a conservative. And I sort of went

43:49

really hard on that

43:52

and said, well, if these people are wrong,

43:54

then these people must be right. And now I'm

43:56

sort of floating in this space of, OK, do why?

43:59

I identify

44:01

as conservative or am I just

44:03

right leaning on an issue by issue basis?

44:06

And I'm totally honest in saying that that's something

44:08

that I'm still exploring. I mean, for

44:10

the most part, I am anti-feminist

44:12

as far as modern day feminism is

44:15

concerned. I am pro-gun and

44:17

pro-Second Amendment. I am pro-gay marriage.

44:19

So that's a point for the left

44:21

leaning end of things. And I'm just going

44:24

through all these issues. And I guess why

44:26

I said right of center at the beginning

44:28

is that I feel I'm

44:29

socially and fiscally to

44:32

the right when it comes to American

44:34

politics. Okay.

44:36

And what does that mean? Let's dig a little

44:38

deeper. What does that mean socially and fiscally?

44:41

Sure. So socially, I guess

44:44

it means rejecting a lot

44:46

of the woke narratives and the

44:48

identity of politics. I don't prescribe

44:50

myself to the idea

44:53

of oppression in this country. Socially

44:56

I am pro-Second Amendment, which is a

44:58

strong issue. I happen

45:00

to be pro-life

45:02

with some exceptions when

45:05

it comes to abortion, which is a recent

45:07

topic. Socially with feminism,

45:10

I'm very much against all

45:13

of the rhetoric there. I'm

45:15

trying to think what other

45:17

common social issues are we going back

45:19

and forth with? You

45:22

know what's interesting? Other than the gun

45:24

thing,

45:25

which is obviously a big divider in your country,

45:27

all of those things until about

45:29

three minutes ago would have put you bang in

45:31

the middle of politics

45:34

in America and in the UK, actually.

45:36

You know what I mean? I imagine you

45:39

want people to be supported, but you don't

45:41

want a massive welfare state. I

45:43

imagine that you believe that women

45:45

should have rights, but you don't think air

45:48

conditioning is sexist. I mean, there

45:50

are all things, like I said until

45:52

about two minutes ago, most people

45:54

believe they were not. And that's one of the things

45:56

that I kind of see happening, is I don't know

45:58

that

45:59

people

45:59

like you and people like us that are being pushed away

46:02

from where they started, which would have been

46:04

on the left, and necessarily all

46:06

that conservative or right wing in the first

46:08

place. I just think we're not woke. And

46:11

I think what we're trying to find

46:13

out is what's the

46:15

space that that creates that

46:17

has a more positive orientation towards

46:19

the future.

46:20

Yeah. I'm trying to figure

46:23

that out as well. I've been thinking

46:25

a lot and mulling over just not going by

46:27

anything anymore and just going

46:30

around and talking about the

46:32

issues as they come, the current events as they come. Because

46:35

in many ways, I think in being

46:38

anti-woke, I did at

46:40

some point get pigeonholed into conservatism. And

46:42

sometimes you'll say things, and I'm sure you

46:44

get this as well, where maybe conservatives will

46:46

follow you because you have your

46:49

certain stance on gender and then you say something

46:51

else and it's like the roof is blown off because

46:53

you're not fully subscripted to everything.

46:55

Every week. Yeah, that happens

46:58

every week. So that's

47:00

an issue that I've gone through. I congratulated

47:02

Dave Rubin on having children

47:05

through surrogacy. And that was like, how

47:07

dare you call yourself a conservative and this

47:10

happens? So I'm honestly,

47:12

I think, going to move to just an

47:14

anti-label future and just let

47:17

people deal with it. It's crazy to me because I'm

47:19

a big supporter and fan of Russell Brand

47:21

and I watch all the videos that he

47:23

puts out. He's now called a far-right extremist.

47:27

I just cannot fathom how anybody

47:29

would make that characterization for him. So I think exactly

47:32

what you said is right.

47:33

Yeah. I suppose the challenge for you,

47:36

if I can say so, might be that

47:38

you have locked yourself into PragerU,

47:41

which is a conservative organization. Nothing

47:43

wrong with that. But you are kind

47:45

of

47:46

attached on you.

47:48

Yeah, I mean, I think

47:51

I am free to express all the things that

47:53

I've expressed today are the same things that

47:55

I express on my show. I think they

47:57

just happen to have that conservative

47:59

label.

47:59

on their organization. I feel for the most part

48:02

with what PragerU

48:04

puts out, it very much resonates

48:06

with me. So I don't know

48:08

that I've been necessarily

48:11

stuck with the label itself

48:13

or that people

48:15

see that from me. For the most part,

48:17

when I'm meeting people or talking to people, I

48:19

meet a really wide range of different

48:22

ideological backgrounds and leanings

48:24

and people just know me for who

48:26

I am. I don't think

48:28

the label has to be stuck. Yeah,

48:32

that's really interesting. And I do think that's

48:34

the problem now is that labels don't mean

48:36

anything.

48:37

But you were talking and you're making criticisms

48:39

about leftism.

48:41

And if you would explain to somebody 15 years

48:44

ago, that's what leftism is. They'd

48:46

look at you like you've been dropped on your head.

48:49

I think a woman is a woman.

48:51

Yeah. Right.

48:54

Yeah, like I said, they've completely switched. I mean,

48:57

leftism, if you look at back when it wasn't

48:59

maybe the 1970s, I was like, oh, yeah, pro

49:01

skepticism, anti-establishment,

49:05

you are skeptical of government entities and

49:07

you probably don't want it to grow beyond the point that

49:09

it's at now. Oh, yeah, that sounds like

49:11

a leftist to me. I think I'd be able to

49:14

get behind that, but it's just shifted and morphed.

49:16

And I think

49:17

as they pull farther to

49:19

the people, anybody who's on the other end is

49:22

going to pull farther to the other

49:24

side. And that's where they're actually going to run into some issues

49:26

because I can't imagine what a

49:29

right leaning equivalent

49:32

would look like to some of the stuff that they're managing

49:34

to pull off today. And I don't want to see that quite

49:36

frankly.

49:38

Do you think America needs more political parties,

49:40

Amela? So actually, so the people

49:44

go and tell me one question.

49:45

I don't know that it needs so

49:49

weird because I don't know that it needs more political

49:51

parties or just parties. I don't

49:53

know how I would go about doing this. Our

49:56

founding fathers directly warned

49:58

against the creation

49:59

political parties, George Washington in particular,

50:02

and said and basically prophesied

50:05

that it was going to lead to these tribalistic

50:08

issues and it essentially

50:11

just becomes, you know, cogs in a wheel

50:13

that are just stuck and they're

50:15

never going to move anywhere, which is where we're at

50:18

right now. And where

50:20

our conversation comes about defining leftism,

50:23

defining liberalism, defining conservative,

50:25

these are major problems because most

50:28

people sit in the middle on any

50:30

particular given issue. But now

50:33

we're in

50:34

this sort of split case

50:37

of left versus right or Democrat versus

50:39

Republican and people feel the need to go for

50:41

the side that best represents how

50:43

they feel on what, 10 different issues.

50:46

So I don't know if I'm just anti-all

50:48

political parties like our our founding fathers

50:51

were. I guess in the system that we're in

50:53

now

50:54

the necessity would be to create more

50:56

because I don't think there's any way

50:58

that we are going to break

51:01

down the two-party system

51:03

that we're in right now.

51:04

And there's no better example of an issue

51:06

on which actually there is that level

51:08

of polarization and a complete lack of

51:10

consensus than the Second Amendment

51:12

and guns which you brought up and obviously

51:15

there was this terrible shooting recently. And

51:18

this is, by the way, when we were in America

51:20

we went to the gun range and shot some guns,

51:23

we went to a big gun show. I

51:25

always said I'm happy to live in Britain

51:27

where we don't have private ownership of handguns

51:30

other than for hunting. But

51:32

if I lived in America, most places

51:35

in America, I probably wouldn't have a gun in Central

51:37

New York. I don't think I'd be allowed. But most places

51:40

I'd have a train with firearms, etc.

51:43

However, I have to say

51:44

from a British perspective,

51:46

we look at you guys and we go, that's

51:48

crazy. Like what's going on in America

51:51

is insane, right? And

51:54

the reason we think that is because in

51:56

this country, in the late 90s, I think it

51:58

was, we had a one school shooting. in

52:00

a place called Dunblane in Scotland.

52:03

And after that, everyone, let's

52:06

not have guns anymore.

52:08

We didn't, we haven't had a mass shooting since in

52:10

the school.

52:11

So to us, I'm not saying it

52:13

applies to America, I'm not saying it should apply

52:15

to America, but from a British

52:17

perspective generally, it's like

52:20

this kind of seems like a solvable

52:23

problem.

52:24

So tell us why it's not.

52:27

Yeah, so my boyfriend's

52:29

from Sydney, Australia. So he sees the same

52:31

thing that you see and goes just like, what the fuck is going

52:33

on? And why are you guys allowing this to happen here?

52:35

This should not be the case. And I'm

52:38

certainly sympathetic to that view. And I think a lot of

52:40

people here in America are. It

52:43

very deeply goes back to the foundation of this

52:45

country. And I think with the

52:47

second amendment and the fact that this country

52:49

began with an uprising towards what

52:51

they deemed to be a tyrannical totalitarian government,

52:54

people are worried

52:57

about that ever happening again. And they think that

52:59

the second amendment is pivotal in protecting

53:02

themselves from that possibility in the future.

53:05

And in America,

53:07

since we are so pro individualism

53:10

and so pro freedom, the freedom

53:12

to protect oneself is something that so

53:15

many people hold near and dear

53:17

to their hearts. So we

53:19

are dealing with the polarization of those that

53:21

would

53:22

be happy to give that up. And

53:25

those who think that it's

53:26

both fundamental to the founding of this country and

53:29

a right that they should have as an individual

53:31

to protect themselves. So I don't

53:33

know that

53:34

the gun issue is ever gonna get

53:37

solved. I think it's gonna get stricter

53:39

and stricter and stricter. But

53:41

I don't know that we're ever going to go back on

53:44

the second amendment.

53:46

No, I don't imagine you will. And actually

53:48

the argument you gave, which is resisting

53:51

government tyranny, I think is the strongest argument

53:54

actually. In favor of gun ownership.

53:56

I don't necessarily think

53:58

that that means it is a strong.

53:59

The reason I say that is,

54:02

look at what happened during COVID. People

54:05

were locked in their homes and a lot of people were

54:07

against that. Did

54:10

they go out and fight for

54:12

their rights?

54:13

Yeah, I

54:15

think they're in a sense

54:17

waiting or using that

54:19

example to be more

54:22

of a when the rubber meets the road. I don't

54:24

know that it would be some sort of revolution or uprising,

54:26

but when the government comes in... I

54:29

promise you we're not going

54:30

to do it. We haven't got

54:32

the army or the bulls.

54:35

We're worried about you guys anymore. I

54:40

know what you

54:40

mean and it's a difficult issue, but I think

54:43

you make the point.

54:44

You make the right point, which is on a practical

54:47

level,

54:48

given the

54:50

number of people that have to agree to

54:52

amend the constitution, whether

54:56

the rights and wrongs are what are, it's just not going to happen.

54:59

Right, right. I mean, economically,

55:01

the government has no incentive to do something like

55:03

that. And I think just the

55:05

amount of the common argument,

55:08

the bad men with the guns

55:10

who are running rampant

55:13

in specifically our metropolitan areas, people

55:16

want to protect themselves. And for the most

55:18

part, law abiding

55:21

gun owners are

55:23

not necessarily the problem. I don't know about

55:25

the case of this national shooter because I don't know that

55:27

what's come out there. I

55:30

certainly think with issues of

55:32

mental illness and people being assessed as a harm

55:35

to themselves or a harm to others, there certainly

55:37

needs to be stricter laws. I am certainly

55:39

for

55:40

stricter laws as far as gun control

55:42

is concerned. And I don't think we should be

55:45

in this frivolous society where you could just go

55:47

anywhere and get anything at any given moment.

55:51

Does it worry you, Amala, the divisions

55:53

in your country, the fact that everyone

55:55

has to pick a team, the fact that everyone has to pick a side?

55:58

When the reality is...

55:59

Most people don't care that much about

56:02

politics and nor should they because as

56:04

we all know there are far more important things in

56:06

life Why are we being forced

56:08

to pick a team? continually

56:11

Mmm, why are we being forced to pick

56:13

a team?

56:14

Continually, it's tough because

56:17

where politics doesn't matter on

56:19

a day-to-day basis It is starting

56:22

to affect people's daily lives

56:25

a lot more The reason that we're talking

56:27

about these gender issues is because now we got

56:29

like kids Talking about sex and sexuality

56:32

in school and developing mental health issues or trying

56:35

to transition So

56:37

in the grand scheme, I think a lot of people think oh,

56:39

well politics doesn't matter all

56:41

that much but

56:43

Politics and culture are great movers

56:45

for social change and change in our

56:47

daily lifestyles So I think that's

56:49

why people are polarized

56:52

in and asked to choose Am I frightened

56:54

a little bit about the amount of division a

56:56

little a little bit? Sometimes I'm

56:58

going to give out speeches and I think okay.

57:01

What does security look like at this event and what's gonna

57:03

happen and somebody needs

57:05

to keep an eye on things so

57:07

Nobody should feel like that in

57:10

in doing the work that we do and

57:12

it seems as though everybody does

57:14

so I'm

57:16

certainly concerned. I don't know what necessarily

57:18

the solution is for breaking down the tribalism

57:21

though

57:21

Well, I think you're doing it actually which

57:24

is it's honest inquiry being prepared

57:26

to change your mind being able to see where

57:28

people are Coming from trying to meet

57:30

them where they're at and being honest with

57:32

yourself because I think it's very very

57:34

tempting as you Talked about

57:37

the moment you realize that you are not

57:40

you don't fit in the environment in which you we

57:42

found the same thing We were two comedians in

57:44

an extremely woke comedy industry

57:47

From which unlike the United States is no

57:49

escape There's one industry and if you if

57:51

you fall foul of that there's nowhere for you to go

57:54

unless you want to go to to another country And

57:58

once that happens, it's very tempting as you

58:00

say, to go to the other side and be like, oh,

58:02

these guys have all the answers. But when you go

58:04

there, you find out they really, really don't. And so I

58:06

think honest inquiry of the type

58:08

that you are engaged in and we try to

58:10

engage in is the way to go. Listen,

58:13

it's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you. We're

58:15

going to ask you a few questions from our local supporters

58:18

that only they will get to see the answer to. And

58:20

they're always brilliant. But before we let you go, what

58:23

is the one thing that we're not talking about as

58:25

a society that you think we really should be?

58:28

Hmm.

58:30

I think I'm going to go with this. I've been mulling it over. Relationships

58:32

are very important. Familial friendships,

58:35

all of these just deeply set relationships that you

58:37

can build in your life are really important and people

58:40

should be focusing on that regardless of

58:42

their political ideology. I get asked,

58:44

I get the most when I'm doing interviews is

58:47

how is the relationship between you and your mom now? You're

58:49

on two different sides of the spectrum. How is this working?

58:52

And I tell people we are closer than we've

58:55

ever been because we have decided that that is not

58:57

the most important part of our relationship. And

58:59

so many people now, I think, feel

59:02

lonely where they're at. And that's also

59:04

what is pushing forward this political

59:06

divide. It's social media. It's a lack

59:08

of relationships. It's a lack of human interaction

59:11

and deep human interaction. So prioritize

59:14

that as much as you prioritize your job and your

59:16

political fights and all these different things. And

59:18

you'll find that your life is just so much better and

59:21

so much happier. So that's what I want people to

59:23

talk about and think about.

59:25

Awesome. Well, Amala, before we head over to

59:27

local, just tell everybody where to find

59:29

you on the Internet, all the social

59:31

media. And of course, you're unapologetic with

59:34

Amala on YouTube here as well.

59:36

Yeah, sure. So you can find me anywhere

59:38

on any platform by searching Amala

59:40

Ebonobi. I know it's a mouthful, but you will

59:43

find me at the end of it. And yeah, I'm

59:45

everywhere and active all the time.

59:47

Amala Ebonobi, thank you so much

59:49

for coming on the show. It's been an absolute

59:51

pleasure.

59:52

Thank you for watching. And for those of

59:55

you who've been enjoying the show, always remember that

59:57

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59:59

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