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we have lot of. The on unsolved

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on Saturday. Talking about

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Daryl Parker. Who was wrongly

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convicted in the fifties after

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he came home from work, he found his

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wife murdered. He was around

3:44

twenty four years old at the time, Gibbs,

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and it took him. Fifty

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six years, I think to clear his

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name as a long time, very

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episode, but I forgot. Gibbs,

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are you a to get into this episode of true

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families are already we're talking

4:14

about Jake Bird? There

4:16

was man known as the Tacoma

4:19

Acts Kill. Pretty gruesome moniker,

4:21

it is pretty gruesome one now he

4:24

was arrested for two murders. The

4:26

only convicted of one. Why

4:28

he has cleaned over forty four that?

4:31

The count as large

4:34

number. They're the most

4:36

of these were women he attacked while

4:38

living transient's lifestyle.

4:40

Though you're bird. Was

4:43

telling the truth. This would make

4:45

him one of the more prolific.

4:48

Killers in us history, yeah, sure. Gigg's

4:51

crimes committed mostly in the nineteen

4:53

thirties and forties. Sorry, lesser

4:55

known part of his. That doesn't make

4:57

his crimes any less seen as than those

5:00

are. Some of the well known

5:02

killers. I think a lot of times

5:04

we think back to. The

5:07

Twenties, Thirties and Forties, and think,

5:09

okay, not that many serial killers,

5:11

I tell lot of maybe gangsters.

5:14

Mafia. Things like that,

5:16

but their work killers or were serial killers.

5:19

Maybe not as prolific is the Seventies

5:22

and Eighties because we do a lot of

5:24

more cases. During those

5:26

decades. The Jig Bird was

5:28

serial killer, rapist and Roberts,

5:31

who committed his crimes from the nineteen

5:33

thirties all way up until nineteen forty

5:35

seven. So I did, he killed

5:38

at least the Web. Like

5:40

we said, possibly as many as forty

5:42

four. Most of his victims

5:45

were women. The preferred method

5:47

of murder was beating his victims

5:49

with an axe or stabbing

5:52

them. They killed his victims

5:54

and multiple state. This case

5:56

failed to get widespread national

5:58

attention. They said little harder

6:01

may be to get. widespread affordable

6:03

in the Thirties forties. No twenty

6:05

four seven new cycle. Jake

6:07

Bird was born on December fourteenth,

6:10

nineteen or one. In Greenwood,

6:12

Louisiana. the told law

6:14

enforcement that he grew up quotes

6:17

somewhere out in Louisiana. Where

6:20

there ain't no post, Ah? That

6:22

out the boonies was on the boonies,

6:24

but. Nineteen a one

6:26

in. We then. I

6:29

imagine there was quite a few places where

6:31

there was no post on there. According

6:33

to Sow Sound, tore his

6:36

home life was trump. That is very little

6:38

details. Wow. Exactly

6:42

what the trouble was, according

6:44

to his death certificate, Jake's parents

6:46

weren't Charles and. The

6:48

early bird. He had brothers

6:51

named Andrew Henry and

6:53

Lynn. The lot home at the

6:55

age of ninety. The seek work

6:57

opportunities. And

6:59

to live in different cities,

7:01

he never really settled anywhere for law.

7:04

The any worked odd jobs to get by

7:07

it, lot of jobs it involved manual

7:09

labor. The also worked is

7:11

what was called dandy dancer.

7:14

On the railroads. I

7:16

know. You've done a lotta ghandi

7:19

dancing in your lives or have.

7:22

Mostly on the weekends and.

7:25

The news that are. poorly

7:27

lit. They need to be poorly lit

7:29

for obvious reasons and not very well

7:31

advertised of. Never advertised.

7:34

The dandy dancer. Apparently,

7:37

slang for section

7:39

hand, which is person who laid

7:41

and maintain parts of the railroad

7:43

before that work was done by missing.

7:46

And all that real world were made,

7:49

Jake pretty strong raves, said

7:51

guy. Which helped

7:53

him easily overpowered his dick.

7:56

The my god. Pretty labor

7:58

intensive jobs. Then. As

8:01

I think a lot of jobs were

8:03

right back in the day.

8:05

Lack of machines, lack of automation,

8:07

man. That there were a lot

8:10

of manual jobs.

8:12

The get one of the reasons why

8:14

people were a little more sit back

8:16

then, sir. The other reason

8:18

is less mass produce food.

8:21

Hannah, have pretty darn

8:23

easy.

8:24

I think in two thousand twenty two when

8:26

it comes to things like that we've got some other stuff

8:28

going on, yes, yes. The

8:31

complain in some areas so no

8:33

but. It's lead a lot of sin

8:36

to. What you'd have to call

8:38

an unhealthy lifestyle?

8:40

That was in jail, he was

8:42

a very strong guy, Jake

8:44

often snack on the train cars. Hopped

8:47

off once he got to the next time.

8:50

"The worked for meals, places to sleep

8:52

or cast and then moved

8:54

on to another", said. Then he committed

8:57

petty crimes. Before he left

8:59

town, which also many left before

9:01

police were able to catch him as one way

9:03

to keep from getting in trouble, see the town before

9:06

vines if we have talked about number

9:08

of people. Who were? I

9:10

guess what you would call train hard. Some

9:13

serial killers who killed

9:15

got on the train. Okay,

9:18

next thing, you know, they're in a different state,

9:20

they kill, they have back on the train.

9:23

Jade continued this lifestyle until

9:25

nineteen, forty seven, when he was

9:27

forty five years old. The week was arrested

9:30

in Tacoma, Washington, on October,

9:32

Thirtieth, Nineteen, forty so. the

9:34

arrived in the city few days earlier

9:37

and he was walking through town when

9:39

he decided to break into the home

9:41

of Bertha for. Further

9:44

was fifty two year old widow who

9:46

worked at local bakery. The

9:48

inner seventeen year old daughter, Beverly,

9:51

recent high school graduate and baker.

9:53

Live together at one zero zero,

9:55

seven south twenty first. Jake

9:58

later claimed he was out. Looking for

10:00

work. What he was around

10:03

two a.m. and who were

10:05

kind of working good at two a.m. I

10:07

know what kind of work you get it to am, but

10:09

most people do not go out

10:12

looking for. League

10:14

goal. Morally defensible

10:16

work at two a.m. is

10:18

typically not.

10:20

So I think that fact alone gives

10:22

has led many to the assumption

10:24

that.

10:25

He really wasn't out looking for work,

10:28

he was looking to commit crimes that

10:30

you can argue that was his work,

10:33

he considered that to be his work.

10:35

The spotted the dark house and

10:37

he decided to break him.

10:39

Knock around the back of the house and

10:42

retrieved an axe from the woods.

10:45

I know you and talked about this and

10:47

another Axe murderer case

10:49

out humorous, it was the liska Axe

10:52

murdered case, but the

10:54

thought was back during

10:56

that time for. Okay. Most

10:58

people had a woodshed. Those people

11:01

were chopping. Would

11:03

turn. The heat their homes

11:05

or cook meal on cook meal,

11:07

whatever would be so the chances

11:09

that someone could find

11:12

in that. Sitting somewhere

11:14

outside the home.

11:16

Much greater yeah, right back in

11:18

this, the thirties and forties than

11:20

they would be in the say two thousand twenty

11:22

two.

11:23

There are some sources that say,

11:25

Jake, remove those clothes walked

11:28

into the house naked. I read

11:30

this is somewhat questionable.

11:32

Because the police reports

11:34

from the time indicate that he only took

11:36

his shoes off.

11:38

Most likely, this was probably a

11:40

detail added by Spurts

11:42

Alvarez's, you know, for shock

11:44

value. That you would be shocking.

11:47

The think that he walked in stark

11:49

naked.

11:50

You do that here I don't understand why

11:53

never can figure it out sometimes.

11:56

i feel like any to be free yeah why

11:58

says Very does the. Then. Now

12:01

we try to eat and so on others. It's

12:03

not them. The thing,

12:06

them to come into the kitchen with, the

12:09

easy to clean up my mess when he and i threw my

12:11

clothes wear that's true That's

12:13

true, yeah, don't worry, you gotta worry about scolding

12:15

know the guy do in a situation

12:18

like das, now Jake entered the

12:20

house is silently as possible through

12:22

the unlocked back door. Worth

12:24

cloud, woke up. He saw

12:27

stranger and scream

12:29

louder.

12:30

The to thirty am Mrs.

12:32

Stein cipher, a concern neighbor,

12:35

heard what she later described as

12:37

"horrible screams" and she called the police.

12:40

You saw man standing in the kitchen? illuminated

12:43

by the porch light. There's you

12:45

heard the sounds of fight. Then

12:47

she said that she turned off her

12:49

lights off so that she

12:51

wouldn't scare way the intruder. Start

12:54

at her actions most likely cabs

12:56

a good, the scene long enough for

12:59

the police to show up. The like we

13:01

do.

13:01

Though officers Andrews, a

13:03

Buddhist and Evan Skip Davies

13:06

were dispatched to the house. The

13:08

to forty eight. Officers Davies

13:11

and to Buddhist caught Jake birth. Retreating

13:14

from the crime scene. And he was

13:16

covered in blood.

13:18

The ran out the back door and

13:20

crashed through a picket fence. They

13:22

chase them through multiple backyard.

13:25

The a cop since after fence, but

13:27

he was finally cornered in an alley

13:30

because he sailed, the jumped the last

13:32

them.

13:33

Though he missed it right, he tried, but

13:35

he missed, said he cut his face and mouth

13:37

when he fell can be rough, you

13:40

know. This an offense.

13:42

Mr. sense once speaking

13:44

as a man who has had

13:47

to run away.

13:48

From the authorities on many different occasions,

13:50

sane, I miss the fence once a new know the.

13:53

Little wire thing on the fence when. The

13:55

the bottom of my chin and. Through

13:57

and to my mouth and we're done. Now

14:00

was the winter time that you're actually trying

14:02

to escape and? I just showing

14:04

off the authorities anywhere here. Though

14:07

Davies into Buddhists cornered

14:09

Jake in the alley. The charge

14:12

it. That is nice.

14:14

He managed to wound both officers,

14:17

he slashed Davies in the hands. Then

14:19

he stabs buddhists in the show. White

14:22

officers, a buddhist, was former price

14:24

for it.

14:25

Then he was able to subdue Jake with

14:27

a left hook to the jaw and he kicked to

14:29

the girl. The new that would come in handy

14:31

some day, that's pretty good

14:33

combination right left to the jaw

14:36

kick to the groin. Gonna have

14:38

hard time recovering from that combo,

14:41

yeah, that kick to the growing can be pretty

14:43

brutal. Additional officers

14:45

at the house found Bertha and

14:47

Beverly's bludgeon bodies laying

14:50

in pools of blood. There was blood

14:52

everywhere, gives it was described

14:54

as covering the walls and

14:57

ceilings of the house. Bertha

14:59

was in her bedroom in.

15:01

Her head was nearly severed by

15:04

a blow to the for it. The add

15:06

multiple severe head injuries. There

15:08

really was lying on the kitchen floor. It

15:11

was sad that both women had

15:13

sixteen wounds between them.

15:15

For the died of suffocation as a result

15:18

of card on her neck which savard

15:20

her when. The real stuff. The

15:23

are brutal to think that. You

15:25

know, blow to the throat.

15:28

Nearly severed her hair, obviously.

15:31

They did sever for when pie. And

15:34

as he once that happens without

15:37

immediate assistance, you're in big trouble. In

15:40

murder weapon was left at the scene. The

15:42

guiding care. He was done lot. That

15:44

the murder weapon behind. Oh, my thought

15:46

is. You know? You

15:48

probably don't want to. The

15:51

carrying an axe, big acts around

15:53

with you.

15:54

The first you when you're trying to evade the police

15:56

jumping over fences. The

15:59

get rid of the act. The little harder

16:01

it's I guess to take with you. 'Cause

16:03

you didn't bring.

16:04

Rate this was a weapon that

16:07

he sounded the crime scene so.

16:09

Well, there really any need to take

16:12

it with him any. The chanted lieutenant

16:14

url for Nielsen determined

16:16

that the killer attempted to

16:18

sexually assault birth. They're

16:20

really most likely ran from her room

16:23

to the kitchen. In response

16:25

to her mother screams and was murdered.

16:28

Then they got him. Yeah. Detective

16:30

Lieutenant Sherman Lions led

16:32

the interrogation. The first

16:35

Jake tried denying them or. Blaming

16:37

them on a man named Leroy.

16:41

The way round. That is man and whole

16:43

darn town. Yeah. I mean.

16:46

If you're going to come up with the name. guess

16:48

we were is not a bad one.

16:51

According to the spokesman review.

16:53

Jake told why. I

16:56

don't know. The who he was or

16:58

where he came from. The a claim

17:00

that Leroy picked him up when he arrived

17:03

in Washington. Then it

17:05

was said gibbs that, you know,

17:07

I guess he was such a good liar.

17:10

That he almost had some of

17:12

the officer's school. It is store.

17:15

That was in to his pants

17:17

were process. The please

17:19

presented to him evidence of

17:21

brain matter. That they had found

17:23

on his pants. It was

17:25

after that the Jags finally admitted

17:28

to the tumor.

17:29

Then I think there's a couple of things don't pack

17:31

here, mean number one. They

17:34

saw this very quick. I

17:36

mean, they caught him at the see. Then

17:38

eventually.

17:40

Got him while he tried to flea bites

17:42

to then they get him back, he's trying

17:44

the why his way out of. New

17:47

by all accounts, he was a pretty good liar.

17:49

The almost had some of the officers fooled,

17:52

but when they find brain matter on

17:54

your pain. Okay. You're

17:57

gonna have to take a something you really good.

18:00

Get out of that.

18:01

The we're not talking about a cashier

18:03

know that you could have picked up anywhere

18:06

in I'm just going to have brain matter attached

18:08

itself to your pants as you're going

18:10

through years. Your day know,

18:13

Zoo's definitely going to.

18:15

Then point you at that location says going

18:17

to tied to the scene tied to the

18:19

murders. According to the

18:21

Tacoma News Tribune. Briggs

18:24

said I'd done. That

18:26

I don't wanna talk just now. I'll

18:29

tell you about it after rest

18:31

up a bit.

18:32

The guys, you know, I'm kinda tired you

18:34

spent a long night. I'm responsible

18:37

for all this or let me get cat nap

18:39

in and then I'll tell

18:41

you all the details as we bring me sandwich.

18:44

There were too. Almost the complete

18:46

opposite of what we talked about on or pager

18:48

on episode.

18:50

Where you know, we talked about a very intense

18:52

interrogation. No

18:54

food, no during, for quite long

18:56

time of sleep and no sleep,

18:59

right, sleep deprivation. According

19:01

to history, way. They

19:03

claim that it was burglary gone

19:05

wrong. He said he entered the house

19:08

to commit what he called an easy burglar.

19:11

And he really only brought

19:13

the axe to bluff off anyone

19:15

who tried to the. Honda. There

19:18

that he took off his shoes. [Knocking

19:20

into the bedroom] and stole.

19:23

The dollar and fifty cents from

19:25

birth as purse when he got to the

19:27

kids. The town birth or standing

19:30

behind? The told her he

19:32

just wonder money and he was. The

19:34

said suddenly beverly grabbed

19:36

him from behind.

19:38

The got into a fight and he

19:40

killed the to win.

19:41

That he hit birth in the head with the

19:43

axe first. The new tagged

19:46

beverley swinging the axe

19:48

until the women stopped move. He

19:50

said he thought the police officers were

19:52

going to shoot him, which is why he

19:54

attacked. Remove pretty fast

19:56

of the house. Then waste a lot of time.

19:59

That would. The one I think good

20:01

cat burglars try to do right.

20:04

Most of them are not trying to set up shop

20:07

the trying to get in and now. Steel

20:09

whatever it is or after as quickly as possible.

20:12

Then. This is his story.

20:15

Whether it's really what happened

20:17

or not. That's something

20:19

that we have to. You can figure

20:22

out. It's plausible.

20:24

He is admitting to

20:27

the murder. Now. I always

20:29

wonder. Weird killers.

20:31

When they are confess. Are they saying

20:34

is?

20:35

Exactly the way that everything

20:37

went down or as we seen

20:39

in a lot of the episodes that we do

20:42

are they in leaving out of detail

20:45

here are the embarrassing

20:47

little bit. You know, here

20:50

to make them look own little bit

20:52

better. So

20:54

he doesn't say. New I

20:56

win in. The the intention

20:59

of killing these two women. win

21:01

in. This to steal some money.

21:04

It could be acts because I

21:06

want to scare some one away if needed

21:09

to.

21:10

What I was forced to kill

21:12

these women because they attacked.

21:14

I just always question these

21:16

types of concessions because.

21:19

It seems to me there's always a little

21:21

something there. That's different

21:23

that may be.

21:26

Their role say

21:28

they still killed, right? Five.

21:31

Now is acting as though. Okay,

21:33

yes, he was in there to Rob, but he was provoked.

21:37

Right, they attacked him, so he had

21:39

to do.

21:39

What he did, Vs. I

21:42

just went in with the axe and killed.

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23:31

The police learn that Jay got to town

23:34

on October twenty seven.

23:36

The checked into the stratford Hotel

23:38

under the name age.

23:40

On October twenty ninth, she may have snuck

23:43

onto the poor job, gene one. Three,

23:46

thirty five a.m. That he didn't

23:48

break in. The did break into

23:50

the home of W.D. Dean

23:53

that same day. Though our annual

23:55

to use any downright, this is a burglar

23:57

right who's casing house.

24:00

Maybe.

24:01

Going up to them, seeing what doors

24:03

are unlocked, the and I have talked about

24:05

it a bunch of time that

24:08

you're back during. This time.

24:11

The lot of people didn't lock your doors, know?

24:14

And so, you know, if you're burglar,

24:17

it was walking up and down the street may be

24:19

trying door knobs. Right

24:21

back. Seeing which houses

24:23

are accessible? Which houses

24:26

may have somebody sleeping, which ones

24:28

may be empty. The be more different than

24:30

today. Then I mean, see.

24:33

By and large, your there may

24:35

be some parts of. The

24:37

US. In small towns

24:39

where people still have that feeling

24:42

where they don't have to lock their doors. id

24:45

he gets less and less all the time

24:47

I play, so to yeah, with everything

24:49

that happens, and you know, take

24:52

a nap so that we do lot of times.

24:54

It takes horrific murder. The

24:57

war. That is why. Change

25:00

the mindset of the entire

25:02

community rights they had this kind

25:05

of. Mayberry feel. That

25:08

it'll never happen here in,

25:10

then it does. From

25:12

there on, that is kind of been or

25:14

out the window.

25:16

Everybody starts walking their

25:18

doors. The person in

25:20

chairs with the guns because they're

25:22

scared and. That's just the way

25:24

to yeah. The on October

25:26

thirty first nineteen forty seven. Rake

25:29

was charged with the murder of Bertha

25:31

O'clock.

25:32

It was customary back then to fall

25:34

one charge at a time and multiple

25:36

murder cases.

25:38

Basically of a jury failed to convict

25:40

him on the first charge. Then

25:42

prosecutors would file additional

25:45

charges so they go for the one of

25:47

the guy and if they get it.

25:50

Yeah, we're done at that point if we don't get

25:52

it, we fall back on the southern,

25:54

sure if and will keep going until we get something.

25:57

For of I could tell gives it was the Tacoma.

26:00

The tribune.

26:01

That would be first news outlet to

26:03

do a story on the case, it was

26:05

titled widow and Daughter Slain

26:07

was Acts" The attacker confess.

26:10

It's always interesting, you know, when we

26:12

researched these cases that are older

26:15

to go back and read articles from

26:17

the Twenties or Thirties or Forties

26:19

and Fifties. Obviously

26:21

everything is different, five. Journalists.

26:25

There's lot differ. If you read

26:27

articles from let's say the forties.

26:30

This is an article. You

26:32

know, in the two thousand. You

26:34

see lot of differences. Judge

26:38

Howard Hodge appointed. James

26:40

sold as Jake's defense attorney.

26:43

The pleaded not guilty at his arraignment

26:45

and his trial was set for Nov.

26:47

twenty fourth, nineteen, forty seven. Yeah,

26:50

this is something that always jumps out at me too.

26:53

You have concerts, right? Your

26:55

pleading not guilty. What

26:57

is the reasoning behind the? The

27:00

it has something to do with. Your

27:02

story. That.

27:05

First degree, no, I didn't go

27:07

in there to kill anyone right

27:09

went in there. The wrong to

27:12

burglarize.

27:13

Yes, I ended up killing these two women,

27:16

but that was not my intent. Because

27:18

if not what else could it be? The

27:21

not guilty and I. The tell

27:23

the story so benefits you. The

27:26

trial and hope that the jury. Why's

27:29

what you're saying? And

27:31

hands down, you know, maybe or something

27:33

different.

27:34

Or you just get out from under the murder charge

27:36

altogether. They've got to

27:39

go on to the second. On

27:41

November fourteen, Jake's attorney

27:43

requested a change of in. The

27:45

also asked. The be removed.

27:48

Then that he did not have to serve

27:50

as Jake's turn. Because.

27:52

Jake decided that he wanted to represent

27:55

himself, settle of and air have

27:57

to love it when they do that. The or?

28:00

Then. I'm smarter than

28:02

everyone else I think I'm smarter than

28:04

everyone else or I've

28:06

got nothing to lose, I'm going to make a mockery

28:09

of this entire, you know,

28:11

court thing. I'm just

28:13

gonna have fun with it, I'm going to see where goes

28:15

give him besser. The say style.

28:18

The trial judge wasn't having

28:20

it. Hodge denied both

28:23

requests. No, I get why

28:25

you would want a change of and. This

28:27

is nineteen, forty seven, yeah. I

28:30

talked about there's no twenty four seven

28:32

new cycle. Then also works

28:34

the other way it does, there's

28:36

not going to be the next thing

28:39

to take the focus off of.

28:41

This horrible act committed by

28:44

Jake Birth.

28:45

All the talk in that town right

28:47

because his are going to be another

28:50

horrific murder in this town. No,

28:53

probably not saw some time. So

28:55

everybody's gonna know about it. They

28:58

went to trial on November twenty fourth,

29:00

nineteen, forty seven. The trial

29:02

lasted three day. There

29:04

was a big of it gives it was reported,

29:06

as spectator showed up as early as seven

29:09

thirty a.m. They were.

29:11

The eager to see the proceedings, they were also

29:14

eager to see the tiller brought to justice.

29:17

They were barred from the courts so the jury pool could

29:19

sit in a courtroom.

29:21

Yeah, don't know how big the jury pool was,

29:23

I don't have big this courtroom was, but

29:26

know the spell of had his hands full. How

29:28

you know trying to handle a big crowd

29:30

of spectators? The told them

29:33

that. They weren't getting in.

29:36

The none of these people laugh the courthouse now they

29:38

finally were allowed in at ten a.m.

29:40

When Jake Bird was escorted

29:43

into the courtroom. Yuri selection

29:45

took an entire day. Here's

29:47

question about their beliefs

29:49

on the death penalty and

29:51

if they believed whether Jag to get

29:53

fair trial. There's black

29:56

man. The game'so so been repeatedly

29:58

towns, germs. The rejected

30:01

one juror who oppose the death star.

30:03

Another who was the mother of the

30:05

deputy prosecutor.

30:08

In one juror who knew

30:10

Bertha and beverage.

30:12

Those who do good reasons not to

30:14

have them selected, we can have the mother

30:16

of the deputy prosecutor. On

30:19

a jury, if your the defense attorney

30:22

know.

30:22

Hen potential jurors admitted their

30:25

opinion was already influenced by

30:27

the newspaper and radio.

30:30

If you ask me gives those were the ten people

30:32

that were probably on us. Because I

30:34

don't know how any of these potential

30:36

jurors. Right people

30:39

in the jury pool. Could

30:41

not have been influenced.

30:44

In some way. Hi,

30:46

all of the media accounts. The

30:49

influenced doesn't mean

30:51

you've made up your mind. How

30:53

could you not be influenced by

30:55

all the gory details and things

30:58

that would have been pop and? The

31:00

been difficult not to be in phones.

31:03

The prosecution was led by Patrick

31:05

The. Now what he had to

31:08

do in order to get

31:10

the death penalty was to prove

31:12

that the murder was premeditated. The

31:14

relied on evidence from Beverly's

31:16

murder because she was killed

31:19

coming to her mother's descends. Lot

31:21

and brain tissue from both women

31:24

were found on Jake's clothing. The

31:26

was arrested without his shoes. And

31:29

you're it.

31:30

The time early on, police had an established

31:33

the full extent of the crime. The

31:35

station, Jake, admitted the shoes

31:38

found at the crime scene where his, yeah,

31:40

it's not looking good.

31:41

This way, his body fingerprints from

31:43

the house on acts and on

31:45

his shoes. The pretty damning stuff,

31:48

not good. According to the Tacoma

31:50

News Tribune.

31:52

Sir John hickey testified on

31:54

November, Twenty says. He said

31:56

he arrived at the scene and found the suspect

31:59

covered in blood. Who officers were

32:01

wounded? The handcuffed

32:03

Jake Bird and entered the house.

32:05

You saw young girl stone her

32:07

job as lying partially in the

32:09

doorway of the dining room and kitchen?

32:12

He said she was lying on her face

32:14

in a large pool of blood.

32:17

Further was covered with so much

32:19

blood I couldn't see the womb. The

32:21

position of her body and

32:23

her disarray dress made him believe

32:26

that Jake Bird attempted to sexually

32:28

assault. When hickey arrested

32:31

Bird, he asked him about the

32:33

murders. The end. Or

32:35

blame them on. The

32:37

world.

32:38

That he allegedly met Leroy

32:40

in a pool hall in Tacoma. The

32:42

told hickey I was just there looking

32:44

around. Leroy done. That

32:47

you testified that. He

32:49

hit Bird knocked him against the front

32:51

of the car, then he took out his club

32:53

and he hid Jake several times. And

32:56

according to history, laying.

32:58

The officer, hickey testified: "I

33:00

regret to say they are lost my

33:02

temper after returning from the

33:05

food home in viewing the

33:07

terribly hacked bodies of the two women.

33:10

I had as bird as we sat in the patrol

33:12

wagon. Why he murdered the to

33:14

one? Hey, you didn't do.

33:16

I have team who did it, then any

33:18

said it was leave. asked

33:20

him who's leave. That or

33:22

another man around ten. He, he

33:25

said, told him that he was

33:27

one. He looked at me with a

33:29

smug and insolent look.

33:31

I know shouldn't have done it, but hit

33:33

him in the jar with my sis. [Knocking

33:36

him to the front of the patrol wagon]

33:39

Then struck him and number of times with

33:41

my nice thick until he said, "Don't

33:43

kill" That brought me to my

33:45

senses and we took him to the hospital. Where

33:48

a nurse said he wasn't badly hurt.

33:51

Right, yeah, I think gives us a couple things

33:53

here, number one. This officer's

33:55

admitting under oath. That,

33:58

you know, he rough this guy. The

34:00

pretty badly. The today

34:02

that would not go over well at all.

34:04

First of all, it would be caught on somebodies

34:07

I phone yep and it would go viral

34:10

and it would be, you know, all over the news.

34:12

Obviously back then. The

34:15

officer didn't have any problem. Saying

34:17

that he did and was under rose

34:19

so. Are you supposed to tell the truth,

34:22

but my thought is it wasn't

34:24

viewed the same way that it would

34:26

be viewed today?

34:28

The Jag's attorney objected to

34:30

the admission object's concession.

34:33

Arguing that it was obtained under

34:35

duress.

34:36

"The reading, this is where this comes in

34:38

right", he saying, "Okay, Jake

34:40

feared for his wise after receiving

34:42

a beating from an office"

34:45

Right to judge overrules his most.

34:47

The anything that might be different

34:50

today as well. Right, if you have

34:52

a police officer. Who admits

34:54

to be the? The suspect,

34:57

right? Then and then all the

34:59

sudden. The suspect

35:01

confess. I'm not sure that

35:03

it plays out in court. The

35:05

same way it did back in the

35:07

nineteen forties in this case.

35:10

The would be looking at a

35:12

different outcome.

35:13

Gigg's attorney was a real nice

35:17

about the way that

35:19

he described J.C. called him.

35:21

The dumb transients, he also

35:23

use some very racially insensitive

35:26

work. That no

35:28

one would use today. That

35:30

he did say is only crime was being

35:33

in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tried

35:36

to explain the brain tissue

35:38

on Jig's pants and acts.

35:41

They. Then it was caused

35:43

by the careless way that the police

35:45

handled the up. There is one

35:47

thing that really hasn't changed from

35:50

the nineteen forties to today. It

35:52

even back then I. You have

35:55

defense attorney, yeah. Trying

35:57

to explain away. What?

36:00

They would be forensic evidence.

36:02

Hi claiming that it was mishandled

36:04

by police. We see that

36:07

and so many cases today

36:09

we do. The in a transfer, right? All

36:11

kinds of different day. The prosecution

36:14

presented that's what they called

36:17

the fatal fingers of proof.

36:19

They showed birth is purse which jag

36:21

drop while running away. Those

36:23

are these pieces of evidence. Contain

36:26

smears of blood and brain to.

36:29

A pathologist identified the

36:31

brain tissue as belonging to beverage.

36:34

According to the Tacoma News

36:36

Tribune, the prosecutor

36:38

demanded the death tony. As

36:41

a deterrent to other Kremlin. There's

36:44

just punishment and

36:46

to protect society. The prosecution

36:49

then read Jag's confession. In

36:51

rested their case. I'll be there

36:54

had to be feeling pretty good about what there

36:56

are think so, too.

36:58

Murray lasted through the morning of the

37:00

twenty six.

37:01

And a defense rusted without calling

37:04

on Jake or any other witnesses.

37:06

Pretty bold. move for

37:09

them as well or maybe they just knew

37:11

This is why we have, and we certainly don't

37:13

want to put him on the stand, yeah, I

37:15

think for the defense.

37:17

Right there's always a lotta gamesmanship,

37:20

I mean, there is on both sides bites

37:22

yo specially with the defense because

37:25

the burden is on the prosecution.

37:28

They have to prove their case. Beyond

37:30

a reasonable doubt, so.

37:33

Do you do see in some instances

37:36

where the defense makes the

37:38

decision that oh they haven't

37:40

done? Oh, we're

37:42

not going to do anything. The obviously

37:44

not going to. Introduce

37:47

something that they can you have then.

37:50

The talk about your introduce

37:52

witnesses that they can. You

37:55

cross examined? The little

37:57

strange and in this case to me.

38:00

Because.

38:01

From what we know, the prosecution seems to have

38:03

quite a bit of A. Everything

38:05

that's evidenced by the fact that

38:08

the jury deliberated for just

38:10

thirty five min. I can't even

38:12

barely eat my lunch and thirty five min. No,

38:15

as really quick. Wow. I'm

38:17

not saying it can be done that quick.

38:20

The was it says to

38:22

most people, is that?

38:25

The new. It before they ever. When

38:27

into the jury, rig right that. Everybody

38:30

had made up their minds, they probably

38:33

just took one vote. I don't

38:35

know that for a fact, but it's kind of what in

38:37

of thirty five minutes is so quick

38:39

break. On November twenty six,

38:41

nineteen forty seven Jake Bird

38:43

was found guilty of first degree murder

38:46

of birth o'clock. The jury voted

38:48

to impose the data. According

38:50

to the spokesman review, his

38:52

only "our change" and expression of the

38:55

verdict was an increase in the tempo

38:57

of his brief. According to history,

38:59

leg. The said nothing in court.

39:02

What allegedly on the way back to jail?

39:05

The as his guards. What's

39:07

all the excitement about?

39:10

That's true, that's a very strange

39:12

question. Like any understand what the

39:14

excitement about. Well, that's

39:17

what I'm wondering, does he really not know?

39:20

Then we not understand the gravity

39:22

of, you know, what has just

39:24

transpired, right? What about

39:26

the come up right in was about to

39:28

happen sure? Let's go

39:30

back through this time or real quick. The

39:33

all this kind of goes down on

39:35

October, Thirtieth. The murder

39:37

his have rested. The very

39:39

next day he charged. His

39:42

trial begins on November twenty

39:44

four.

39:45

In on the twenty six of them, Monte

39:47

sound guilty. That is less

39:49

than a month. The ah?

39:52

murder and a rest. The

39:54

trial and conviction.

39:56

See, timelines like that today, no absolutely

39:59

not. And it was just on

40:02

December six. That

40:04

judge hodge sentence, Jake burned

40:06

to death. The tourney made a motion

40:08

for return. The judge denied

40:11

it. Bird's attorney said

40:13

there would be no further appeals after

40:15

that. Then he went further gibbs,

40:17

you said in court. I feel whenever

40:20

any man forty five years old

40:22

gets an idea that know lives

40:24

are safe to anyone except

40:26

his own. That man is a detriment

40:28

to society and should be obliterate.

40:32

The word to use. This year

40:34

obliterated right off

40:36

the face of the Earth. This

40:38

is the defense attorney, yeah,

40:40

saying that about his clients say,

40:42

"Hey. We're not gonna appeal. This

40:45

guy deserves to be obliterate.

40:48

The exactly to some was sad for

40:50

January sixteenth, nineteen, forty

40:52

eight in this is something that you still

40:54

see today, you know, after

40:57

the verge. The year. Someone

41:00

is sentenced to death.

41:02

There's a dataset now that date

41:04

is never. Matt, yeah.

41:07

It always gets pushed out, there is automatic

41:09

appeals. fifteen

41:11

Twenty twenty five years goes by.

41:14

If you know someone is ever.

41:17

The to death at all, there's a lot of states

41:19

that the don't even. Do them right

41:21

now.

41:22

The judge ass cheek for some

41:24

and Jag said: "I was given no chance

41:26

to defend myself. My own lawyers

41:29

just asked you to hang. They

41:32

apologize for descending. If

41:34

they were so reluctant to defend me.

41:37

Why do they can test the prosecutors

41:39

proof of murder? Now see,

41:42

everything is proof. According

41:44

to history laying at the end of the hearing,

41:46

Jake said to the court. I'm putting

41:49

the hex of Jake Bird on all

41:51

of you. Who had anything to do

41:53

with my being punished? Mark

41:55

my words. You will die

41:58

before I do. Then. Some

42:00

bro moody tie to stop right there. This

42:03

really put an ad outer. Put in the Jonah

42:05

Hex on, yeah.

42:07

Oh, I see Gibbs when

42:09

someone says something like this and court.

42:12

Amy, what do you say? My sumption

42:14

is, people were sniffer. The again.

42:18

This is funny, this is a joke. Then

42:21

people started dying.

42:22

Judge Edward Hodge died of a heart

42:25

attack on January first nineteen,

42:27

forty eight.

42:28

Police officer who wrote an official

42:30

report died of a heart attack on April

42:33

fifth, nineteen forty eight George

42:35

Hair again, reporter who worked

42:37

the case. Died on June

42:39

eleventh, nineteen, forty eight.

42:41

German lines the officer who recorded

42:43

Jake's confession. Side of

42:46

a heart attack on October twenty eighth,

42:48

nineteen, forty eight. Jake's defense

42:50

attorney James Selden died

42:52

on November twenty six, nineteen, forty

42:54

eight. Then finally, Arthur

42:56

Stewart, prison guard. Died

42:59

of pneumonia in May of nineteen, forty

43:01

nine. That. The forties

43:03

right people died much earlier

43:06

than they do today. Still,

43:09

that's large number of people connected

43:11

to the case.

43:12

Who died in nineteen, forty eight,

43:15

and, and you know, one prison guard died

43:17

in nineteen, forty nine, I think the other thing.

43:20

That was interesting was that, you know? Quite

43:23

a few of them died of heart attack, yeah, yeah.

43:25

Like what it did was. It may the.

43:28

Prisoners at the same prison. Terrified

43:31

of Jake. Maybe get some

43:33

pretty. Instead. Prison

43:35

credit right there.

43:36

Yeah, I mean, for people or probably giving

43:39

him some of their food, as

43:41

yeah, don't think anyone wanted to

43:43

make him angry because. One

43:46

the heck's the curse to be put on

43:48

them because it seemed as though.

43:51

These people were dying of the

43:53

Jake Bird. Yeah,

43:56

they say you walk past eleven murderers

43:58

in your lifetime, but have you ever? Thought. About

44:00

what it would be like to really actually no

44:02

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45:11

December seventh, nineteen forty seven

45:14

Jake was transported to the Washington

45:16

State Penitentiary. To await

45:18

is execution.

45:20

Hi making some confession

45:22

deals, Jake was able to delay's

45:24

execution for to you.

45:26

Although he really never had

45:28

much in the way, a formal education. Jake

45:31

learned lot through his lengthy appeals

45:33

process. The became known as

45:35

jailhouse more. The argued

45:38

his own case several times and new,

45:40

quite bit about criminal law.

45:42

The mayor's to get his first confession

45:45

deal himself without the help

45:47

of an intern.

45:48

The remember he wanted to represent

45:50

himself, but the judge wouldn't allow.

45:53

On January six, nineteen, forty eight. Prosecutor

45:56

Password Steel and Detective Lieutenant

45:58

sermon Preamlife. Traveled to the

46:00

prison to listen to jail. He

46:03

told them he wanted to clear his

46:05

conch.

46:06

The A told them that if he

46:08

had time, he could clear

46:10

up. Forty four murders.

46:13

He had either committed or

46:15

participated in. The need some

46:17

time.

46:18

While it's going take a while, sure right to go

46:20

through the details of.

46:23

forty for murder. On

46:25

January six t. Washington

46:28

Governor. Monrad,

46:30

whoa, whoa? Granted Jake sixty

46:32

day reprieve. The make his

46:34

confession. Please, from

46:36

other states, came to interview Jag

46:38

about the murders in total,

46:41

his confession was hundred and seventy

46:43

four pages that massive.

46:46

The I'm getting little bit of

46:48

A. Then really Luca's

46:50

vibe here, yeah.

46:52

The anybody that knows that story

46:54

has seen some other documentaries

46:57

or documentaries. Documentaries

46:59

that you like to watch the I do.

47:01

The as seen what Lucas did

47:04

and in confessing to a large number

47:06

of murders. They inform the

47:08

police that he was three time

47:10

loser. The incarcerated for fifteen

47:12

years total in Michigan, Iowa,

47:15

in Utah. The record included

47:17

burglary in Utah. Salt

47:20

and attempted murder in Michigan. And

47:23

murder in Iowa. In

47:25

total, J confess to forty four

47:27

murders.

47:29

It was sad that he had intimate

47:31

knowledge. The most of the murders.

47:34

Where'd made his stories believe?

47:37

Now of the forty four officers

47:40

determined he was most likely involved

47:42

in a lot. The claim to

47:44

have. Kill people in

47:46

Evanston, Illinois. More,

47:48

more Kentucky, omaha Nebraska.

47:52

The city, Kansas, Sioux Falls, South

47:55

Dakota. Cleveland Ohio

47:57

Orlando Florida and,

48:00

What is with can't? Now we said

48:02

he traveled quite bit we did right

48:04

he was transience he hops trained

48:06

so that. part He

48:09

could have done. Could you

48:11

know visited all these places? His

48:14

preferred victim type was

48:16

wide web.

48:17

Then he said that he often use their

48:19

own hatches or access to

48:21

killed, they wouldn't say it back

48:23

in those days people as. That

48:25

is laying around. They were to

48:27

sprite that were used. On

48:30

a regular basis. Psychologists

48:32

diagnosed Jake Bird as psychopath.

48:35

You've got his satisfaction from

48:37

the side of women cowering

48:40

in tears. Give how many

48:42

episodes have we done? The mail

48:44

killers. Who?

48:47

Those women is are victims

48:49

and it ultimately came out. That.

48:53

They receive some type of gratification

48:55

from. The fear. They

48:58

they instilled in these women. Yeah.

49:01

"They were about to kill them

49:04

as they were in the process of murdering

49:06

them right, you go back to somebody

49:08

like Tommy when cells who's also

49:10

trains in a train", Ehopper

49:13

even said. The enjoy.

49:16

Watching the lights go out

49:18

in.

49:19

Someone's eyes as he strangled

49:21

them to death member or members

49:24

of. I remember him saying those things.

49:27

Gary, it is ill just

49:29

to think that. Someone would

49:31

enjoy it. Receive

49:33

enjoyment, receive gratification

49:36

from. Gearing

49:38

someone from seeing

49:40

their power, the power

49:42

that they hold over another human

49:45

being a tie for satisfaction. Most

49:47

of us can understand know because

49:49

we wouldn't want to, they wouldn't give us

49:51

that. The you make us

49:54

sick exactly is sometimes

49:56

makes you sick hearing about. The

49:58

characters confirmed that he was. Responsible

50:00

for the axe murders of to women in

50:03

Evanston, Illinois, in nineteen,

50:05

forty two. The German lines

50:07

also received telegram. Rama

50:10

police chief in Tutulsa.

50:12

The advising that the suspect was believed

50:14

to match the description.

50:16

A black man who killed two women in

50:19

Tutulsa. On January fourteenth,

50:21

nineteen, forty two. The ass for

50:23

photographs and fingerprints to be centers.

50:26

Craig most likely kill Mrs.

50:28

Harry Richardson in Houston, Texas.

50:31

Chicago police speculated that

50:33

he murdered a victim found in Lake Michigan.

50:36

We we ended detectors suspected

50:39

him of murdering young boy

50:41

and Jewish gross. The

50:43

York police linked him to the robbery

50:45

and murder of delicatessen. Then.

50:49

The mean?

50:50

You can look at this a couple of different ways. One

50:53

and. This guy was fairly

50:55

prolific. Serial killer,

50:58

he was. Nero, police

51:00

were able to. Put him

51:02

in the area or. Find some

51:04

evidence that linked him some how

51:06

to these murders. The war.

51:09

You have bunch of detectives

51:11

all over the country. The'are are jumping

51:14

at the chance to. We're

51:16

case, yeah, to square the books on. Where

51:19

users, Jag Bor guy sounds good, I

51:21

think the problem that we have is we

51:23

don't know all the details of

51:26

okay. What made them

51:28

believe and how strong? Was

51:31

that believe was a based on, you

51:33

know, some concrete type of evidence

51:35

or? The just.

51:38

Physical description or the

51:40

fact that hey we're close this

51:42

case, Man's know Mississippi

51:44

wasn't just to clear the case, yeah, let's

51:46

hope they had some type of evidence

51:49

to at least back it up. During

51:51

jag sixty, they were pre.

51:53

The appealed his conviction to the

51:55

Washington Supreme Court. The

51:57

claim that Judge Hodge made.

52:00

You destroy years. The any requested

52:02

a reach one. On November, Thirtieth

52:04

Nineteen, forty eight, the Supreme Court

52:07

denied his petition for retrial.

52:09

On December third. The

52:12

judge signed his death more. Setting

52:14

his execution for January

52:16

fourteenth, nineteen, forty nine.

52:19

The a new attorney Murray tag

52:21

moved for stay of execution. That

52:24

would allow Jag to file an appeal with

52:26

the U.S. Court of Appeals. The

52:28

motion was granted, but the Court

52:30

of Appeals were views to review

52:32

the case.

52:33

The exact situation was then set for

52:35

July fifteenth and nineteen forty

52:37

nine. Haggard filed for more

52:40

appeals on Jake's behalf, the

52:42

last on July fourteen. Governor

52:45

or third. Language. Klein,

52:47

the stay of execution. The a legal

52:50

battles put him on page one ah

52:52

the Tacoma news tribune

52:54

for twenty miles.

52:56

So he receives a lot to cover, this

52:59

was big news. They

53:01

also estimated that the cost

53:03

to. Execute him. Was

53:06

over ten thousand now. The

53:08

actually quite bit of money in Nineteen.

53:11

Ortiz, yeah, that is lot of more.

53:13

Now we know today. And

53:16

it costs lot

53:18

of money it does to actually execute

53:21

someone.

53:22

The explain his final days discussing

53:25

a small black box.

53:27

The any claim that contain money

53:29

from past burglaries? That

53:31

the box was with a friend in Louisiana.

53:34

That he wouldn't say who. Jake Road,

53:37

twenty page memoir. They

53:39

gave it to his attorney for release

53:41

after his death. Murray Taggart

53:44

did disclose part of the writings. That

53:46

much of the information in it had

53:48

already come out during the trial. After

53:51

serving nineteen months in prison. The

53:54

a bird was hanged. The

53:56

Washington State Penitentiary.

53:58

On July fifteen. Nineteen, forty

54:00

nine. Then last hours

54:02

with his attorney. The told Taggart

54:05

he could be good loser. The be felt

54:07

like he did everything he could to save

54:10

his life. It was just after midnight.

54:13

When Jake walk to the gallows. There

54:16

were about one hundred and twenty five witnesses.

54:18

Said to have a weighted his

54:20

execution.

54:22

The volunteer Chaplin began to read

54:24

Jake's final statement. Declaring

54:26

he held no mouse towards any one.

54:29

The'and and was seeking forgiveness. Right

54:31

before you finish reading the know. The

54:34

trap door open. The dropped

54:36

about five feet. Then

54:38

he died at twelve twenty eight.

54:41

In told all the execution lasted

54:43

fourteen men. Did they give a little

54:46

strange that?

54:47

They couldn't even wait to finish reading.

54:50

the know before they

54:52

Sprung the trap door or maybe the at

54:54

a certain time that the lever needed

54:56

to be poll. Or maybe

54:58

the right, you know why? That's not have any

55:00

additional drama when the note is read.

55:04

The pool this. In the middle of reading

55:06

the note.

55:07

Or maybe somebody just made a mistake

55:09

in turn to quickly and whatsoever

55:12

and I don't know or happy.

55:14

trigger what a result Jake was buried

55:16

in the Walla Correctional Center

55:19

Cemetery. His grave is only

55:21

marked with his prison number two,

55:23

one, five, two zero. The world,

55:26

his personal fortune, six dollars

55:28

and fifteen cents to. Murray

55:30

tank. She try to pay

55:32

his bill. The road in his memoir,

55:35

"I feel all my appeals have been successful

55:37

because the student said the

55:39

future will ask" Why?

55:42

The questions were not answer. And

55:45

I think when you look as Jake Bird's

55:47

case, there are some questions that

55:49

are on and. Because of

55:51

some illegal practices of the time.

55:54

Jake was not really extensively question.

55:57

War prosecuted for the

55:59

other. There's he committed. Which

56:01

is why we don't have a lot of details right

56:03

around. Those cases. The

56:06

already had an execution date, said.

56:09

The show.

56:10

It wasn't necessary to

56:12

tack on, you know, some very

56:14

long. Prison term or

56:16

license or anything like that, and

56:19

I just meant there was little to no reporting

56:21

dawn on these other cases.

56:23

Though it's kinda hard to tell.

56:26

The Arabs, when it comes to Jake Bird. Did

56:28

he commit? The lab and murders.

56:31

Or did he commit?

56:32

The you know forty plus as

56:35

he claimed. There's

56:38

probably somewhere in between there. Yeah.

56:41

I you think you can safely go

56:43

that route.

56:44

Me when you look at the fact that Detective

56:47

say they tied him to up now,

56:49

we don't know how they tied him, we

56:51

don't know how valid. That

56:53

was. The din new

56:56

look at some of the other. They

56:58

really try that hard. Knowing

57:00

that? This guy was about

57:02

to be executed. The some

57:05

jurisdictions say well. It

57:07

could be humble, what's the point? We're not

57:09

going to try him.

57:11

We don't need to get another conviction

57:13

so. We're not going to.

57:16

That much effort into a we have other

57:18

cases we need to work. I don't know. The

57:21

you're really comes down to. While

57:23

Jake Bird.

57:24

One of America's most prolific

57:27

serial killers, or was he just a really

57:29

good liar? Yeah. Go

57:32

either way I'm gonna go with. Serial

57:34

killer. To get to determination

57:36

that. The each person has

57:38

to make on their own. Was

57:41

your Henry Lee Lucas who did

57:43

kill? The number of people.

57:46

Why?

57:47

You know, wanted to delay his execution

57:50

by throwing out all these

57:52

other murders and. Then

57:54

he did successfully gain

57:56

a couple of years, he did. By

57:59

doing it. Henry,

58:01

we Lucas got bunch of strawberry milk shakes.

58:04

Though.

58:05

The got to tours and scenes in

58:07

and do some of that stuff so. Yeah,

58:09

I don't know don't know that.

58:12

We can ever really come up with the answer,

58:14

but it is a very interesting

58:16

case because. The

58:18

gets lesser known case. Where?

58:22

We could be looking at very

58:24

prolific serial killer. But

58:26

because of the time when these

58:28

murders were committed, rape and

58:31

the fact that.

58:32

I don't think all love the

58:34

concessions were investigate all

58:36

that thoroughly.

58:38

Usually not that much to report on, they

58:40

weren't afford it on, so we don't have the ditto

58:42

as true. The, you know?

58:44

But that's it for our case on Jake

58:47

Bird. That's the boy's mouse you want

58:49

to check those outlets here.

58:51

My condemning them, up in Illinois,

58:54

say actually the same become an hour, day today

58:57

and utter chaos and provide

58:59

for talking about companion medicine. or zodiac

59:02

has anything ever came up

59:04

about that i thought there was gonna be some reason

59:07

or another And I

59:09

was really helpful exterior, and haven't

59:11

heard a thing.

59:12

The writer or a search for that either, see

59:14

what you guys maybe.

59:16

Come on our own theory such a,

59:19

thousand. times better Yeah,

59:22

I'm in gives zero has been a lot of chatter.

59:25

That something big. This

59:27

is about to break in the Zodiac

59:29

case. I don't

59:31

know. The owner of it will.

59:34

I know a lot of people of

59:36

kind of been on the edge of their see because they

59:38

believe. That's close to

59:40

being so. That we've been there before

59:43

we and so too long ago not too

59:45

long as they have to kind of. Take

59:47

down with grain of salt, but what to wait and

59:49

see?

59:50

Hi, my thing to be is this is

59:52

Renee, I have been a listener for

59:54

about six months now. And

59:56

I just finished listening to

59:58

the Ronald of Wards. A. fifteen

1:00:00

year old out in West Memphis and,

1:00:03

want to know if you guys picked

1:00:05

up miss some familiar

1:00:08

players in that case, that

1:00:10

were also involved in. Messing

1:00:13

up the West Memphis three take

1:00:15

on jury gets old was the lead detective

1:00:18

in both of those, cases in

1:00:20

Judge Burnett was the judge

1:00:22

in both of those cases. Just

1:00:24

found that interesting thought you might find

1:00:27

that. interesting to also

1:00:29

i'm back in ninety nine

1:00:32

be up in a chicago

1:00:34

suburb which is kind of close to where

1:00:36

i live there was a kid

1:00:38

named willy carlson who

1:00:40

killed his parents and did some disturbing

1:00:43

things and didn't know

1:00:45

if you guys maybe one it's from

1:00:48

look into that case but when i

1:00:50

was a kid my friends and i were

1:00:52

all kind of obsessed in gross

1:00:54

out because he was a kid that was our

1:00:56

age back rough ride round of self

1:00:58

didn't have you won the look into it thank

1:01:00

you so much keep up the good work keep

1:01:02

your own time sixty

1:01:04

Thank you for the voicemail will definitely make sure

1:01:06

that case on list is far as

1:01:09

the Ronald Ward case. Then

1:01:11

I was really upset with myself. Because

1:01:13

had some of that stuff in my know, right?

1:01:16

You know, we did what four episodes

1:01:19

on the West Memphis three

1:01:21

case I've seen.

1:01:23

Every documentary, multiple

1:01:26

times.

1:01:27

Then I had in my notes to talk about

1:01:29

and bring it back around the Gary Good

1:01:31

Show and Burnett, and forgot.

1:01:34

That was on me and was mad at myself.

1:01:37

After I.

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It was all done because I had forgotten

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news too late to work. Go back

1:01:43

to it was. The I'm

1:01:46

a scandal. And curse.

1:01:47

They were calling from Wichita Kansas

1:01:49

and we just wanna let you know that this morning

1:01:51

they release that the Carr brothers were

1:01:54

approved for the death penalty

1:01:56

is, so that's my news, but

1:01:58

I have heard you say you have any. Came

1:02:01

here with and team thirty for any way

1:02:03

of facing to keep your time to do. Well,

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we know the smart one in that. Relationship

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is. Then now you're gonna alienate

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one of them.

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down a did I say go wrong

1:02:17

of, should say that how you did better by

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noses years and to say is so

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again a couple that listens

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to teach had together? The is

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together, absolutely. The

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carr brothers. Without doubt.

1:02:31

Id. Some of the most despicable

1:02:34

people. We've ever covered

1:02:36

for sure man flag or was

1:02:38

very tough episode air

1:02:41

and me out again, whatever

1:02:43

side of the death toll the you land on,

1:02:45

I get everybody has the right

1:02:47

to feel about it, how they feel

1:02:50

about it, yeah, will say this.

1:02:52

If you believe in the death penalty. There

1:02:55

is no one can think of that

1:02:57

deserves it. More than those

1:02:59

individual and they were marred space monster

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air.

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I'd written pressure from New Jersey

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I've been listening to you said. You're.

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what he like an angry listening. To

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do the was trying to tell you that the

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case movie and I've been drop

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fight we have mailbag Rebecca

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mode and oh.

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i didn't get my pops know when the popcorn

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came in Obviously my

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wife new yeah and she was not

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happy officer she was not that

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I had express my displeasure

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with a larger audience because,

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i had not told her baby can are the hide

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