Episode Transcript
Transcripts are displayed as originally observed. Some content, including advertisements may have changed.
Use Ctrl + F to search
23:59:59
This episode is brought to you by Carvana is in the business of driving you happy. And with the widest selection of cars under 20 grand, you're bound to find a car that will put smile your face. Carvanha gives you control by letting you customize your down and monthly payments. So browse through tens of thousands of cars to find one within your budget. And don't worry about any surprise bogus fees, visit carvana.com, or download the app to shop for vehicle They'll drive. You happy availability may vary by Mark.
1:05
How? Are we want to welcome to episode to
1:08
Sixty Nine of the True Crime All The
1:10
Time Podcast on My Ferguson and with
1:12
me as always is my partner and true crime? By
1:14
Gibson, gimme how are you don't do good to
1:17
know right thing and hang in you
1:19
like guy that cat poster
1:22
hang in there and you know the? Same
1:24
as a cat poster, yes, ma'am,
1:26
I'm doing well, I'm trying to get on
1:28
my. Workout
1:30
regimen I'm riding my bike, I'm
1:32
lifting little bit. My
1:35
goal is to trim down.
1:38
While time we go to Vegas, I have a clear
1:40
cut goal in mind I'm working towards. I
1:42
will give progress updates hopefully
1:45
zones are good if they're not you won't hear
1:47
anything about it does the, no
1:49
mention it on no mention it off. hey
1:51
we got some pager on supporter
1:53
shoutout to give we had kelly apple
1:55
or a fuller Layla, worry
1:58
layla, Lauren Boca. We're. Gonna
2:00
boca Amanda know they commander
2:03
net bro will go on torn
2:05
on Bro tc San Diego,
2:07
see Jasmine'a sec is as and Jamie
2:09
jumped out our highs lows. Thankyou, Jamie,
2:12
we had faith Martin'a vase, vase
2:14
just Linda, well, thank you
2:16
Linda Georgina Ortiz
2:19
with Q, Georgina Mary Bader. Gone
2:21
on, baiter, carry buying like little
2:24
carry, Sandy, ravel is
2:26
Andy Alexander. Alexandra.
2:30
Jamie, don't see it. Amy, have
2:32
any Mendoza what's going on Seventy
2:34
and Christian for Chamberlain,
2:37
so we appreciate all that new supports
2:39
and then of we go back into the vault?
2:42
This week we selected, Ashley
2:45
Bridges of Madison County
2:47
or London, bridges, falling
2:50
down, or we appreciate
2:54
all the new support, the continued support.
2:57
weird great pay pal donations from
2:59
care and Robinson a thank
3:01
you, Karen Heather Hunter, there's other
3:03
day and Kelly moyer aka
3:06
so thanks to ever. Gibbs, right now
3:08
we have lot of. The on unsolved
3:10
we have an episode out on.
3:13
What is known as the vanishing triangle
3:16
years, so we're headed to Ireland, your
3:18
were number of women vans
3:21
do with dive into the ninety nine days
3:23
and we'll talk about eight women that
3:25
vanished and. The every county.
3:28
That's out now, check it out. We
3:31
just put out brand new page Ron episode
3:33
on Saturday. Talking about
3:35
Daryl Parker. Who was wrongly
3:38
convicted in the fifties after
3:40
he came home from work, he found his
3:42
wife murdered. He was around
3:44
twenty four years old at the time, Gibbs,
3:46
and it took him. Fifty
3:49
six years, I think to clear his
3:51
name as a long time, very
3:53
long time. You know, it's
3:55
good up, so check it out yet doesn't. Quick
3:58
on, wanna give shout out to? The'so. so
4:01
The was selected as our patron merge
4:03
winner for December, Hey Congratulations
4:05
County, yeah, I'm into put it on last week's
4:08
episode, but I forgot. Gibbs,
4:10
are you a to get into this episode of true
4:12
families are already we're talking
4:14
about Jake Bird? There
4:16
was man known as the Tacoma
4:19
Acts Kill. Pretty gruesome moniker,
4:21
it is pretty gruesome one now he
4:24
was arrested for two murders. The
4:26
only convicted of one. Why
4:28
he has cleaned over forty four that?
4:31
The count as large
4:34
number. They're the most
4:36
of these were women he attacked while
4:38
living transient's lifestyle.
4:40
Though you're bird. Was
4:43
telling the truth. This would make
4:45
him one of the more prolific.
4:48
Killers in us history, yeah, sure. Gigg's
4:51
crimes committed mostly in the nineteen
4:53
thirties and forties. Sorry, lesser
4:55
known part of his. That doesn't make
4:57
his crimes any less seen as than those
5:00
are. Some of the well known
5:02
killers. I think a lot of times
5:04
we think back to. The
5:07
Twenties, Thirties and Forties, and think,
5:09
okay, not that many serial killers,
5:11
I tell lot of maybe gangsters.
5:14
Mafia. Things like that,
5:16
but their work killers or were serial killers.
5:19
Maybe not as prolific is the Seventies
5:22
and Eighties because we do a lot of
5:24
more cases. During those
5:26
decades. The Jig Bird was
5:28
serial killer, rapist and Roberts,
5:31
who committed his crimes from the nineteen
5:33
thirties all way up until nineteen forty
5:35
seven. So I did, he killed
5:38
at least the Web. Like
5:40
we said, possibly as many as forty
5:42
four. Most of his victims
5:45
were women. The preferred method
5:47
of murder was beating his victims
5:49
with an axe or stabbing
5:52
them. They killed his victims
5:54
and multiple state. This case
5:56
failed to get widespread national
5:58
attention. They said little harder
6:01
may be to get. widespread affordable
6:03
in the Thirties forties. No twenty
6:05
four seven new cycle. Jake
6:07
Bird was born on December fourteenth,
6:10
nineteen or one. In Greenwood,
6:12
Louisiana. the told law
6:14
enforcement that he grew up quotes
6:17
somewhere out in Louisiana. Where
6:20
there ain't no post, Ah? That
6:22
out the boonies was on the boonies,
6:24
but. Nineteen a one
6:26
in. We then. I
6:29
imagine there was quite a few places where
6:31
there was no post on there. According
6:33
to Sow Sound, tore his
6:36
home life was trump. That is very little
6:38
details. Wow. Exactly
6:42
what the trouble was, according
6:44
to his death certificate, Jake's parents
6:46
weren't Charles and. The
6:48
early bird. He had brothers
6:51
named Andrew Henry and
6:53
Lynn. The lot home at the
6:55
age of ninety. The seek work
6:57
opportunities. And
6:59
to live in different cities,
7:01
he never really settled anywhere for law.
7:04
The any worked odd jobs to get by
7:07
it, lot of jobs it involved manual
7:09
labor. The also worked is
7:11
what was called dandy dancer.
7:14
On the railroads. I
7:16
know. You've done a lotta ghandi
7:19
dancing in your lives or have.
7:22
Mostly on the weekends and.
7:25
The news that are. poorly
7:27
lit. They need to be poorly lit
7:29
for obvious reasons and not very well
7:31
advertised of. Never advertised.
7:34
The dandy dancer. Apparently,
7:37
slang for section
7:39
hand, which is person who laid
7:41
and maintain parts of the railroad
7:43
before that work was done by missing.
7:46
And all that real world were made,
7:49
Jake pretty strong raves, said
7:51
guy. Which helped
7:53
him easily overpowered his dick.
7:56
The my god. Pretty labor
7:58
intensive jobs. Then. As
8:01
I think a lot of jobs were
8:03
right back in the day.
8:05
Lack of machines, lack of automation,
8:07
man. That there were a lot
8:10
of manual jobs.
8:12
The get one of the reasons why
8:14
people were a little more sit back
8:16
then, sir. The other reason
8:18
is less mass produce food.
8:21
Hannah, have pretty darn
8:23
easy.
8:24
I think in two thousand twenty two when
8:26
it comes to things like that we've got some other stuff
8:28
going on, yes, yes. The
8:31
complain in some areas so no
8:33
but. It's lead a lot of sin
8:36
to. What you'd have to call
8:38
an unhealthy lifestyle?
8:40
That was in jail, he was
8:42
a very strong guy, Jake
8:44
often snack on the train cars. Hopped
8:47
off once he got to the next time.
8:50
"The worked for meals, places to sleep
8:52
or cast and then moved
8:54
on to another", said. Then he committed
8:57
petty crimes. Before he left
8:59
town, which also many left before
9:01
police were able to catch him as one way
9:03
to keep from getting in trouble, see the town before
9:06
vines if we have talked about number
9:08
of people. Who were? I
9:10
guess what you would call train hard. Some
9:13
serial killers who killed
9:15
got on the train. Okay,
9:18
next thing, you know, they're in a different state,
9:20
they kill, they have back on the train.
9:23
Jade continued this lifestyle until
9:25
nineteen, forty seven, when he was
9:27
forty five years old. The week was arrested
9:30
in Tacoma, Washington, on October,
9:32
Thirtieth, Nineteen, forty so. the
9:34
arrived in the city few days earlier
9:37
and he was walking through town when
9:39
he decided to break into the home
9:41
of Bertha for. Further
9:44
was fifty two year old widow who
9:46
worked at local bakery. The
9:48
inner seventeen year old daughter, Beverly,
9:51
recent high school graduate and baker.
9:53
Live together at one zero zero,
9:55
seven south twenty first. Jake
9:58
later claimed he was out. Looking for
10:00
work. What he was around
10:03
two a.m. and who were
10:05
kind of working good at two a.m. I
10:07
know what kind of work you get it to am, but
10:09
most people do not go out
10:12
looking for. League
10:14
goal. Morally defensible
10:16
work at two a.m. is
10:18
typically not.
10:20
So I think that fact alone gives
10:22
has led many to the assumption
10:24
that.
10:25
He really wasn't out looking for work,
10:28
he was looking to commit crimes that
10:30
you can argue that was his work,
10:33
he considered that to be his work.
10:35
The spotted the dark house and
10:37
he decided to break him.
10:39
Knock around the back of the house and
10:42
retrieved an axe from the woods.
10:45
I know you and talked about this and
10:47
another Axe murderer case
10:49
out humorous, it was the liska Axe
10:52
murdered case, but the
10:54
thought was back during
10:56
that time for. Okay. Most
10:58
people had a woodshed. Those people
11:01
were chopping. Would
11:03
turn. The heat their homes
11:05
or cook meal on cook meal,
11:07
whatever would be so the chances
11:09
that someone could find
11:12
in that. Sitting somewhere
11:14
outside the home.
11:16
Much greater yeah, right back in
11:18
this, the thirties and forties than
11:20
they would be in the say two thousand twenty
11:22
two.
11:23
There are some sources that say,
11:25
Jake, remove those clothes walked
11:28
into the house naked. I read
11:30
this is somewhat questionable.
11:32
Because the police reports
11:34
from the time indicate that he only took
11:36
his shoes off.
11:38
Most likely, this was probably a
11:40
detail added by Spurts
11:42
Alvarez's, you know, for shock
11:44
value. That you would be shocking.
11:47
The think that he walked in stark
11:49
naked.
11:50
You do that here I don't understand why
11:53
never can figure it out sometimes.
11:56
i feel like any to be free yeah why
11:58
says Very does the. Then. Now
12:01
we try to eat and so on others. It's
12:03
not them. The thing,
12:06
them to come into the kitchen with, the
12:09
easy to clean up my mess when he and i threw my
12:11
clothes wear that's true That's
12:13
true, yeah, don't worry, you gotta worry about scolding
12:15
know the guy do in a situation
12:18
like das, now Jake entered the
12:20
house is silently as possible through
12:22
the unlocked back door. Worth
12:24
cloud, woke up. He saw
12:27
stranger and scream
12:29
louder.
12:30
The to thirty am Mrs.
12:32
Stein cipher, a concern neighbor,
12:35
heard what she later described as
12:37
"horrible screams" and she called the police.
12:40
You saw man standing in the kitchen? illuminated
12:43
by the porch light. There's you
12:45
heard the sounds of fight. Then
12:47
she said that she turned off her
12:49
lights off so that she
12:51
wouldn't scare way the intruder. Start
12:54
at her actions most likely cabs
12:56
a good, the scene long enough for
12:59
the police to show up. The like we
13:01
do.
13:01
Though officers Andrews, a
13:03
Buddhist and Evan Skip Davies
13:06
were dispatched to the house. The
13:08
to forty eight. Officers Davies
13:11
and to Buddhist caught Jake birth. Retreating
13:14
from the crime scene. And he was
13:16
covered in blood.
13:18
The ran out the back door and
13:20
crashed through a picket fence. They
13:22
chase them through multiple backyard.
13:25
The a cop since after fence, but
13:27
he was finally cornered in an alley
13:30
because he sailed, the jumped the last
13:32
them.
13:33
Though he missed it right, he tried, but
13:35
he missed, said he cut his face and mouth
13:37
when he fell can be rough, you
13:40
know. This an offense.
13:42
Mr. sense once speaking
13:44
as a man who has had
13:47
to run away.
13:48
From the authorities on many different occasions,
13:50
sane, I miss the fence once a new know the.
13:53
Little wire thing on the fence when. The
13:55
the bottom of my chin and. Through
13:57
and to my mouth and we're done. Now
14:00
was the winter time that you're actually trying
14:02
to escape and? I just showing
14:04
off the authorities anywhere here. Though
14:07
Davies into Buddhists cornered
14:09
Jake in the alley. The charge
14:12
it. That is nice.
14:14
He managed to wound both officers,
14:17
he slashed Davies in the hands. Then
14:19
he stabs buddhists in the show. White
14:22
officers, a buddhist, was former price
14:24
for it.
14:25
Then he was able to subdue Jake with
14:27
a left hook to the jaw and he kicked to
14:29
the girl. The new that would come in handy
14:31
some day, that's pretty good
14:33
combination right left to the jaw
14:36
kick to the groin. Gonna have
14:38
hard time recovering from that combo,
14:41
yeah, that kick to the growing can be pretty
14:43
brutal. Additional officers
14:45
at the house found Bertha and
14:47
Beverly's bludgeon bodies laying
14:50
in pools of blood. There was blood
14:52
everywhere, gives it was described
14:54
as covering the walls and
14:57
ceilings of the house. Bertha
14:59
was in her bedroom in.
15:01
Her head was nearly severed by
15:04
a blow to the for it. The add
15:06
multiple severe head injuries. There
15:08
really was lying on the kitchen floor. It
15:11
was sad that both women had
15:13
sixteen wounds between them.
15:15
For the died of suffocation as a result
15:18
of card on her neck which savard
15:20
her when. The real stuff. The
15:23
are brutal to think that. You
15:25
know, blow to the throat.
15:28
Nearly severed her hair, obviously.
15:31
They did sever for when pie. And
15:34
as he once that happens without
15:37
immediate assistance, you're in big trouble. In
15:40
murder weapon was left at the scene. The
15:42
guiding care. He was done lot. That
15:44
the murder weapon behind. Oh, my thought
15:46
is. You know? You
15:48
probably don't want to. The
15:51
carrying an axe, big acts around
15:53
with you.
15:54
The first you when you're trying to evade the police
15:56
jumping over fences. The
15:59
get rid of the act. The little harder
16:01
it's I guess to take with you. 'Cause
16:03
you didn't bring.
16:04
Rate this was a weapon that
16:07
he sounded the crime scene so.
16:09
Well, there really any need to take
16:12
it with him any. The chanted lieutenant
16:14
url for Nielsen determined
16:16
that the killer attempted to
16:18
sexually assault birth. They're
16:20
really most likely ran from her room
16:23
to the kitchen. In response
16:25
to her mother screams and was murdered.
16:28
Then they got him. Yeah. Detective
16:30
Lieutenant Sherman Lions led
16:32
the interrogation. The first
16:35
Jake tried denying them or. Blaming
16:37
them on a man named Leroy.
16:41
The way round. That is man and whole
16:43
darn town. Yeah. I mean.
16:46
If you're going to come up with the name. guess
16:48
we were is not a bad one.
16:51
According to the spokesman review.
16:53
Jake told why. I
16:56
don't know. The who he was or
16:58
where he came from. The a claim
17:00
that Leroy picked him up when he arrived
17:03
in Washington. Then it
17:05
was said gibbs that, you know,
17:07
I guess he was such a good liar.
17:10
That he almost had some of
17:12
the officer's school. It is store.
17:15
That was in to his pants
17:17
were process. The please
17:19
presented to him evidence of
17:21
brain matter. That they had found
17:23
on his pants. It was
17:25
after that the Jags finally admitted
17:28
to the tumor.
17:29
Then I think there's a couple of things don't pack
17:31
here, mean number one. They
17:34
saw this very quick. I
17:36
mean, they caught him at the see. Then
17:38
eventually.
17:40
Got him while he tried to flea bites
17:42
to then they get him back, he's trying
17:44
the why his way out of. New
17:47
by all accounts, he was a pretty good liar.
17:49
The almost had some of the officers fooled,
17:52
but when they find brain matter on
17:54
your pain. Okay. You're
17:57
gonna have to take a something you really good.
18:00
Get out of that.
18:01
The we're not talking about a cashier
18:03
know that you could have picked up anywhere
18:06
in I'm just going to have brain matter attached
18:08
itself to your pants as you're going
18:10
through years. Your day know,
18:13
Zoo's definitely going to.
18:15
Then point you at that location says going
18:17
to tied to the scene tied to the
18:19
murders. According to the
18:21
Tacoma News Tribune. Briggs
18:24
said I'd done. That
18:26
I don't wanna talk just now. I'll
18:29
tell you about it after rest
18:31
up a bit.
18:32
The guys, you know, I'm kinda tired you
18:34
spent a long night. I'm responsible
18:37
for all this or let me get cat nap
18:39
in and then I'll tell
18:41
you all the details as we bring me sandwich.
18:44
There were too. Almost the complete
18:46
opposite of what we talked about on or pager
18:48
on episode.
18:50
Where you know, we talked about a very intense
18:52
interrogation. No
18:54
food, no during, for quite long
18:56
time of sleep and no sleep,
18:59
right, sleep deprivation. According
19:01
to history, way. They
19:03
claim that it was burglary gone
19:05
wrong. He said he entered the house
19:08
to commit what he called an easy burglar.
19:11
And he really only brought
19:13
the axe to bluff off anyone
19:15
who tried to the. Honda. There
19:18
that he took off his shoes. [Knocking
19:20
into the bedroom] and stole.
19:23
The dollar and fifty cents from
19:25
birth as purse when he got to the
19:27
kids. The town birth or standing
19:30
behind? The told her he
19:32
just wonder money and he was. The
19:34
said suddenly beverly grabbed
19:36
him from behind.
19:38
The got into a fight and he
19:40
killed the to win.
19:41
That he hit birth in the head with the
19:43
axe first. The new tagged
19:46
beverley swinging the axe
19:48
until the women stopped move. He
19:50
said he thought the police officers were
19:52
going to shoot him, which is why he
19:54
attacked. Remove pretty fast
19:56
of the house. Then waste a lot of time.
19:59
That would. The one I think good
20:01
cat burglars try to do right.
20:04
Most of them are not trying to set up shop
20:07
the trying to get in and now. Steel
20:09
whatever it is or after as quickly as possible.
20:12
Then. This is his story.
20:15
Whether it's really what happened
20:17
or not. That's something
20:19
that we have to. You can figure
20:22
out. It's plausible.
20:24
He is admitting to
20:27
the murder. Now. I always
20:29
wonder. Weird killers.
20:31
When they are confess. Are they saying
20:34
is?
20:35
Exactly the way that everything
20:37
went down or as we seen
20:39
in a lot of the episodes that we do
20:42
are they in leaving out of detail
20:45
here are the embarrassing
20:47
little bit. You know, here
20:50
to make them look own little bit
20:52
better. So
20:54
he doesn't say. New I
20:56
win in. The the intention
20:59
of killing these two women. win
21:01
in. This to steal some money.
21:04
It could be acts because I
21:06
want to scare some one away if needed
21:09
to.
21:10
What I was forced to kill
21:12
these women because they attacked.
21:14
I just always question these
21:16
types of concessions because.
21:19
It seems to me there's always a little
21:21
something there. That's different
21:23
that may be.
21:26
Their role say
21:28
they still killed, right? Five.
21:31
Now is acting as though. Okay,
21:33
yes, he was in there to Rob, but he was provoked.
21:37
Right, they attacked him, so he had
21:39
to do.
21:39
What he did, Vs. I
21:42
just went in with the axe and killed.
21:44
If. You're thinking about breaking some bad habits
21:47
this year, start with this one overpaying
21:49
for your prescriptions to do that,
21:51
get in the good habit of always checking good
21:53
RX to help. Find the best price
21:55
for your prescription medication
21:57
I used to visit just one pharmacy, know?
22:00
Nine. That prescription prices can vary
22:02
between pharmacies by as much is one
22:04
hundred dollars was turns out I was paying
22:06
to much now always use good RX
22:09
to instantly find discounts. And compare
22:11
prices at all the pharmacies in my
22:13
neighborhood, and even if you like me and you have insurance,
22:16
you should still check good RX because
22:18
it can often be your. Compare you can, user
22:21
saved or the good RX out, which
22:23
you can download for good RX is free
22:25
and easy to use and could instantly save you
22:27
up to eighty. "Percent mention it,
22:29
use good RX, got my mother in
22:31
law into using good RX, she was
22:34
blown away by how much she's now
22:36
saving on her prescriptions so.
22:38
For simple, smart savings on your prescriptions,
22:41
check good rx, go to good rx,
22:43
dot. com slash to can that is
22:45
good rx dot. com. Slash to
22:47
can good RX dot com slash to
22:50
can good rx is not insurance but
22:52
can be used instead of insurance into
22:54
thousand twenty one good rx user
22:56
saved and average of seventy nine percent
22:58
on retail prescription price
23:03
Yeah. It's priceline negotiated I'm here
23:05
because I'm tired you getting less
23:09
that's, fun bang for your buck it's
23:11
time for that's why I'm getting
23:13
you up sixty per cent off. Your favourite hotels
23:16
along with exclusive deals rental
23:18
car's flights because when your
23:20
save. can do more
23:22
sunshine fun lot more for your
23:24
dollar every trip big deal so
23:27
visit priceline dot com to get
23:29
more out of your next trip
23:31
The police learn that Jay got to town
23:34
on October twenty seven.
23:36
The checked into the stratford Hotel
23:38
under the name age.
23:40
On October twenty ninth, she may have snuck
23:43
onto the poor job, gene one. Three,
23:46
thirty five a.m. That he didn't
23:48
break in. The did break into
23:50
the home of W.D. Dean
23:53
that same day. Though our annual
23:55
to use any downright, this is a burglar
23:57
right who's casing house.
24:00
Maybe.
24:01
Going up to them, seeing what doors
24:03
are unlocked, the and I have talked about
24:05
it a bunch of time that
24:08
you're back during. This time.
24:11
The lot of people didn't lock your doors, know?
24:14
And so, you know, if you're burglar,
24:17
it was walking up and down the street may be
24:19
trying door knobs. Right
24:21
back. Seeing which houses
24:23
are accessible? Which houses
24:26
may have somebody sleeping, which ones
24:28
may be empty. The be more different than
24:30
today. Then I mean, see.
24:33
By and large, your there may
24:35
be some parts of. The
24:37
US. In small towns
24:39
where people still have that feeling
24:42
where they don't have to lock their doors. id
24:45
he gets less and less all the time
24:47
I play, so to yeah, with everything
24:49
that happens, and you know, take
24:52
a nap so that we do lot of times.
24:54
It takes horrific murder. The
24:57
war. That is why. Change
25:00
the mindset of the entire
25:02
community rights they had this kind
25:05
of. Mayberry feel. That
25:08
it'll never happen here in,
25:10
then it does. From
25:12
there on, that is kind of been or
25:14
out the window.
25:16
Everybody starts walking their
25:18
doors. The person in
25:20
chairs with the guns because they're
25:22
scared and. That's just the way
25:24
to yeah. The on October
25:26
thirty first nineteen forty seven. Rake
25:29
was charged with the murder of Bertha
25:31
O'clock.
25:32
It was customary back then to fall
25:34
one charge at a time and multiple
25:36
murder cases.
25:38
Basically of a jury failed to convict
25:40
him on the first charge. Then
25:42
prosecutors would file additional
25:45
charges so they go for the one of
25:47
the guy and if they get it.
25:50
Yeah, we're done at that point if we don't get
25:52
it, we fall back on the southern,
25:54
sure if and will keep going until we get something.
25:57
For of I could tell gives it was the Tacoma.
26:00
The tribune.
26:01
That would be first news outlet to
26:03
do a story on the case, it was
26:05
titled widow and Daughter Slain
26:07
was Acts" The attacker confess.
26:10
It's always interesting, you know, when we
26:12
researched these cases that are older
26:15
to go back and read articles from
26:17
the Twenties or Thirties or Forties
26:19
and Fifties. Obviously
26:21
everything is different, five. Journalists.
26:25
There's lot differ. If you read
26:27
articles from let's say the forties.
26:30
This is an article. You
26:32
know, in the two thousand. You
26:34
see lot of differences. Judge
26:38
Howard Hodge appointed. James
26:40
sold as Jake's defense attorney.
26:43
The pleaded not guilty at his arraignment
26:45
and his trial was set for Nov.
26:47
twenty fourth, nineteen, forty seven. Yeah,
26:50
this is something that always jumps out at me too.
26:53
You have concerts, right? Your
26:55
pleading not guilty. What
26:57
is the reasoning behind the? The
27:00
it has something to do with. Your
27:02
story. That.
27:05
First degree, no, I didn't go
27:07
in there to kill anyone right
27:09
went in there. The wrong to
27:12
burglarize.
27:13
Yes, I ended up killing these two women,
27:16
but that was not my intent. Because
27:18
if not what else could it be? The
27:21
not guilty and I. The tell
27:23
the story so benefits you. The
27:26
trial and hope that the jury. Why's
27:29
what you're saying? And
27:31
hands down, you know, maybe or something
27:33
different.
27:34
Or you just get out from under the murder charge
27:36
altogether. They've got to
27:39
go on to the second. On
27:41
November fourteen, Jake's attorney
27:43
requested a change of in. The
27:45
also asked. The be removed.
27:48
Then that he did not have to serve
27:50
as Jake's turn. Because.
27:52
Jake decided that he wanted to represent
27:55
himself, settle of and air have
27:57
to love it when they do that. The or?
28:00
Then. I'm smarter than
28:02
everyone else I think I'm smarter than
28:04
everyone else or I've
28:06
got nothing to lose, I'm going to make a mockery
28:09
of this entire, you know,
28:11
court thing. I'm just
28:13
gonna have fun with it, I'm going to see where goes
28:15
give him besser. The say style.
28:18
The trial judge wasn't having
28:20
it. Hodge denied both
28:23
requests. No, I get why
28:25
you would want a change of and. This
28:27
is nineteen, forty seven, yeah. I
28:30
talked about there's no twenty four seven
28:32
new cycle. Then also works
28:34
the other way it does, there's
28:36
not going to be the next thing
28:39
to take the focus off of.
28:41
This horrible act committed by
28:44
Jake Birth.
28:45
All the talk in that town right
28:47
because his are going to be another
28:50
horrific murder in this town. No,
28:53
probably not saw some time. So
28:55
everybody's gonna know about it. They
28:58
went to trial on November twenty fourth,
29:00
nineteen, forty seven. The trial
29:02
lasted three day. There
29:04
was a big of it gives it was reported,
29:06
as spectator showed up as early as seven
29:09
thirty a.m. They were.
29:11
The eager to see the proceedings, they were also
29:14
eager to see the tiller brought to justice.
29:17
They were barred from the courts so the jury pool could
29:19
sit in a courtroom.
29:21
Yeah, don't know how big the jury pool was,
29:23
I don't have big this courtroom was, but
29:26
know the spell of had his hands full. How
29:28
you know trying to handle a big crowd
29:30
of spectators? The told them
29:33
that. They weren't getting in.
29:36
The none of these people laugh the courthouse now they
29:38
finally were allowed in at ten a.m.
29:40
When Jake Bird was escorted
29:43
into the courtroom. Yuri selection
29:45
took an entire day. Here's
29:47
question about their beliefs
29:49
on the death penalty and
29:51
if they believed whether Jag to get
29:53
fair trial. There's black
29:56
man. The game'so so been repeatedly
29:58
towns, germs. The rejected
30:01
one juror who oppose the death star.
30:03
Another who was the mother of the
30:05
deputy prosecutor.
30:08
In one juror who knew
30:10
Bertha and beverage.
30:12
Those who do good reasons not to
30:14
have them selected, we can have the mother
30:16
of the deputy prosecutor. On
30:19
a jury, if your the defense attorney
30:22
know.
30:22
Hen potential jurors admitted their
30:25
opinion was already influenced by
30:27
the newspaper and radio.
30:30
If you ask me gives those were the ten people
30:32
that were probably on us. Because I
30:34
don't know how any of these potential
30:36
jurors. Right people
30:39
in the jury pool. Could
30:41
not have been influenced.
30:44
In some way. Hi,
30:46
all of the media accounts. The
30:49
influenced doesn't mean
30:51
you've made up your mind. How
30:53
could you not be influenced by
30:55
all the gory details and things
30:58
that would have been pop and? The
31:00
been difficult not to be in phones.
31:03
The prosecution was led by Patrick
31:05
The. Now what he had to
31:08
do in order to get
31:10
the death penalty was to prove
31:12
that the murder was premeditated. The
31:14
relied on evidence from Beverly's
31:16
murder because she was killed
31:19
coming to her mother's descends. Lot
31:21
and brain tissue from both women
31:24
were found on Jake's clothing. The
31:26
was arrested without his shoes. And
31:29
you're it.
31:30
The time early on, police had an established
31:33
the full extent of the crime. The
31:35
station, Jake, admitted the shoes
31:38
found at the crime scene where his, yeah,
31:40
it's not looking good.
31:41
This way, his body fingerprints from
31:43
the house on acts and on
31:45
his shoes. The pretty damning stuff,
31:48
not good. According to the Tacoma
31:50
News Tribune.
31:52
Sir John hickey testified on
31:54
November, Twenty says. He said
31:56
he arrived at the scene and found the suspect
31:59
covered in blood. Who officers were
32:01
wounded? The handcuffed
32:03
Jake Bird and entered the house.
32:05
You saw young girl stone her
32:07
job as lying partially in the
32:09
doorway of the dining room and kitchen?
32:12
He said she was lying on her face
32:14
in a large pool of blood.
32:17
Further was covered with so much
32:19
blood I couldn't see the womb. The
32:21
position of her body and
32:23
her disarray dress made him believe
32:26
that Jake Bird attempted to sexually
32:28
assault. When hickey arrested
32:31
Bird, he asked him about the
32:33
murders. The end. Or
32:35
blame them on. The
32:37
world.
32:38
That he allegedly met Leroy
32:40
in a pool hall in Tacoma. The
32:42
told hickey I was just there looking
32:44
around. Leroy done. That
32:47
you testified that. He
32:49
hit Bird knocked him against the front
32:51
of the car, then he took out his club
32:53
and he hid Jake several times. And
32:56
according to history, laying.
32:58
The officer, hickey testified: "I
33:00
regret to say they are lost my
33:02
temper after returning from the
33:05
food home in viewing the
33:07
terribly hacked bodies of the two women.
33:10
I had as bird as we sat in the patrol
33:12
wagon. Why he murdered the to
33:14
one? Hey, you didn't do.
33:16
I have team who did it, then any
33:18
said it was leave. asked
33:20
him who's leave. That or
33:22
another man around ten. He, he
33:25
said, told him that he was
33:27
one. He looked at me with a
33:29
smug and insolent look.
33:31
I know shouldn't have done it, but hit
33:33
him in the jar with my sis. [Knocking
33:36
him to the front of the patrol wagon]
33:39
Then struck him and number of times with
33:41
my nice thick until he said, "Don't
33:43
kill" That brought me to my
33:45
senses and we took him to the hospital. Where
33:48
a nurse said he wasn't badly hurt.
33:51
Right, yeah, I think gives us a couple things
33:53
here, number one. This officer's
33:55
admitting under oath. That,
33:58
you know, he rough this guy. The
34:00
pretty badly. The today
34:02
that would not go over well at all.
34:04
First of all, it would be caught on somebodies
34:07
I phone yep and it would go viral
34:10
and it would be, you know, all over the news.
34:12
Obviously back then. The
34:15
officer didn't have any problem. Saying
34:17
that he did and was under rose
34:19
so. Are you supposed to tell the truth,
34:22
but my thought is it wasn't
34:24
viewed the same way that it would
34:26
be viewed today?
34:28
The Jag's attorney objected to
34:30
the admission object's concession.
34:33
Arguing that it was obtained under
34:35
duress.
34:36
"The reading, this is where this comes in
34:38
right", he saying, "Okay, Jake
34:40
feared for his wise after receiving
34:42
a beating from an office"
34:45
Right to judge overrules his most.
34:47
The anything that might be different
34:50
today as well. Right, if you have
34:52
a police officer. Who admits
34:54
to be the? The suspect,
34:57
right? Then and then all the
34:59
sudden. The suspect
35:01
confess. I'm not sure that
35:03
it plays out in court. The
35:05
same way it did back in the
35:07
nineteen forties in this case.
35:10
The would be looking at a
35:12
different outcome.
35:13
Gigg's attorney was a real nice
35:17
about the way that
35:19
he described J.C. called him.
35:21
The dumb transients, he also
35:23
use some very racially insensitive
35:26
work. That no
35:28
one would use today. That
35:30
he did say is only crime was being
35:33
in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tried
35:36
to explain the brain tissue
35:38
on Jig's pants and acts.
35:41
They. Then it was caused
35:43
by the careless way that the police
35:45
handled the up. There is one
35:47
thing that really hasn't changed from
35:50
the nineteen forties to today. It
35:52
even back then I. You have
35:55
defense attorney, yeah. Trying
35:57
to explain away. What?
36:00
They would be forensic evidence.
36:02
Hi claiming that it was mishandled
36:04
by police. We see that
36:07
and so many cases today
36:09
we do. The in a transfer, right? All
36:11
kinds of different day. The prosecution
36:14
presented that's what they called
36:17
the fatal fingers of proof.
36:19
They showed birth is purse which jag
36:21
drop while running away. Those
36:23
are these pieces of evidence. Contain
36:26
smears of blood and brain to.
36:29
A pathologist identified the
36:31
brain tissue as belonging to beverage.
36:34
According to the Tacoma News
36:36
Tribune, the prosecutor
36:38
demanded the death tony. As
36:41
a deterrent to other Kremlin. There's
36:44
just punishment and
36:46
to protect society. The prosecution
36:49
then read Jag's confession. In
36:51
rested their case. I'll be there
36:54
had to be feeling pretty good about what there
36:56
are think so, too.
36:58
Murray lasted through the morning of the
37:00
twenty six.
37:01
And a defense rusted without calling
37:04
on Jake or any other witnesses.
37:06
Pretty bold. move for
37:09
them as well or maybe they just knew
37:11
This is why we have, and we certainly don't
37:13
want to put him on the stand, yeah, I
37:15
think for the defense.
37:17
Right there's always a lotta gamesmanship,
37:20
I mean, there is on both sides bites
37:22
yo specially with the defense because
37:25
the burden is on the prosecution.
37:28
They have to prove their case. Beyond
37:30
a reasonable doubt, so.
37:33
Do you do see in some instances
37:36
where the defense makes the
37:38
decision that oh they haven't
37:40
done? Oh, we're
37:42
not going to do anything. The obviously
37:44
not going to. Introduce
37:47
something that they can you have then.
37:50
The talk about your introduce
37:52
witnesses that they can. You
37:55
cross examined? The little
37:57
strange and in this case to me.
38:00
Because.
38:01
From what we know, the prosecution seems to have
38:03
quite a bit of A. Everything
38:05
that's evidenced by the fact that
38:08
the jury deliberated for just
38:10
thirty five min. I can't even
38:12
barely eat my lunch and thirty five min. No,
38:15
as really quick. Wow. I'm
38:17
not saying it can be done that quick.
38:20
The was it says to
38:22
most people, is that?
38:25
The new. It before they ever. When
38:27
into the jury, rig right that. Everybody
38:30
had made up their minds, they probably
38:33
just took one vote. I don't
38:35
know that for a fact, but it's kind of what in
38:37
of thirty five minutes is so quick
38:39
break. On November twenty six,
38:41
nineteen forty seven Jake Bird
38:43
was found guilty of first degree murder
38:46
of birth o'clock. The jury voted
38:48
to impose the data. According
38:50
to the spokesman review, his
38:52
only "our change" and expression of the
38:55
verdict was an increase in the tempo
38:57
of his brief. According to history,
38:59
leg. The said nothing in court.
39:02
What allegedly on the way back to jail?
39:05
The as his guards. What's
39:07
all the excitement about?
39:10
That's true, that's a very strange
39:12
question. Like any understand what the
39:14
excitement about. Well, that's
39:17
what I'm wondering, does he really not know?
39:20
Then we not understand the gravity
39:22
of, you know, what has just
39:24
transpired, right? What about
39:26
the come up right in was about to
39:28
happen sure? Let's go
39:30
back through this time or real quick. The
39:33
all this kind of goes down on
39:35
October, Thirtieth. The murder
39:37
his have rested. The very
39:39
next day he charged. His
39:42
trial begins on November twenty
39:44
four.
39:45
In on the twenty six of them, Monte
39:47
sound guilty. That is less
39:49
than a month. The ah?
39:52
murder and a rest. The
39:54
trial and conviction.
39:56
See, timelines like that today, no absolutely
39:59
not. And it was just on
40:02
December six. That
40:04
judge hodge sentence, Jake burned
40:06
to death. The tourney made a motion
40:08
for return. The judge denied
40:11
it. Bird's attorney said
40:13
there would be no further appeals after
40:15
that. Then he went further gibbs,
40:17
you said in court. I feel whenever
40:20
any man forty five years old
40:22
gets an idea that know lives
40:24
are safe to anyone except
40:26
his own. That man is a detriment
40:28
to society and should be obliterate.
40:32
The word to use. This year
40:34
obliterated right off
40:36
the face of the Earth. This
40:38
is the defense attorney, yeah,
40:40
saying that about his clients say,
40:42
"Hey. We're not gonna appeal. This
40:45
guy deserves to be obliterate.
40:48
The exactly to some was sad for
40:50
January sixteenth, nineteen, forty
40:52
eight in this is something that you still
40:54
see today, you know, after
40:57
the verge. The year. Someone
41:00
is sentenced to death.
41:02
There's a dataset now that date
41:04
is never. Matt, yeah.
41:07
It always gets pushed out, there is automatic
41:09
appeals. fifteen
41:11
Twenty twenty five years goes by.
41:14
If you know someone is ever.
41:17
The to death at all, there's a lot of states
41:19
that the don't even. Do them right
41:21
now.
41:22
The judge ass cheek for some
41:24
and Jag said: "I was given no chance
41:26
to defend myself. My own lawyers
41:29
just asked you to hang. They
41:32
apologize for descending. If
41:34
they were so reluctant to defend me.
41:37
Why do they can test the prosecutors
41:39
proof of murder? Now see,
41:42
everything is proof. According
41:44
to history laying at the end of the hearing,
41:46
Jake said to the court. I'm putting
41:49
the hex of Jake Bird on all
41:51
of you. Who had anything to do
41:53
with my being punished? Mark
41:55
my words. You will die
41:58
before I do. Then. Some
42:00
bro moody tie to stop right there. This
42:03
really put an ad outer. Put in the Jonah
42:05
Hex on, yeah.
42:07
Oh, I see Gibbs when
42:09
someone says something like this and court.
42:12
Amy, what do you say? My sumption
42:14
is, people were sniffer. The again.
42:18
This is funny, this is a joke. Then
42:21
people started dying.
42:22
Judge Edward Hodge died of a heart
42:25
attack on January first nineteen,
42:27
forty eight.
42:28
Police officer who wrote an official
42:30
report died of a heart attack on April
42:33
fifth, nineteen forty eight George
42:35
Hair again, reporter who worked
42:37
the case. Died on June
42:39
eleventh, nineteen, forty eight.
42:41
German lines the officer who recorded
42:43
Jake's confession. Side of
42:46
a heart attack on October twenty eighth,
42:48
nineteen, forty eight. Jake's defense
42:50
attorney James Selden died
42:52
on November twenty six, nineteen, forty
42:54
eight. Then finally, Arthur
42:56
Stewart, prison guard. Died
42:59
of pneumonia in May of nineteen, forty
43:01
nine. That. The forties
43:03
right people died much earlier
43:06
than they do today. Still,
43:09
that's large number of people connected
43:11
to the case.
43:12
Who died in nineteen, forty eight,
43:15
and, and you know, one prison guard died
43:17
in nineteen, forty nine, I think the other thing.
43:20
That was interesting was that, you know? Quite
43:23
a few of them died of heart attack, yeah, yeah.
43:25
Like what it did was. It may the.
43:28
Prisoners at the same prison. Terrified
43:31
of Jake. Maybe get some
43:33
pretty. Instead. Prison
43:35
credit right there.
43:36
Yeah, I mean, for people or probably giving
43:39
him some of their food, as
43:41
yeah, don't think anyone wanted to
43:43
make him angry because. One
43:46
the heck's the curse to be put on
43:48
them because it seemed as though.
43:51
These people were dying of the
43:53
Jake Bird. Yeah,
43:56
they say you walk past eleven murderers
43:58
in your lifetime, but have you ever? Thought. About
44:00
what it would be like to really actually no
44:02
one, what if your high school sweetheart turned
44:04
out to be a cold blooded killer, what if your coworker
44:07
was killed by? A stalker on the first
44:09
degree podcast host, Jack Vanoc,
44:11
Alexis Linkletter and Billy Jensen,
44:14
dive into a new true crime story every
44:16
week told from the eyes of someone who was.
44:18
One degree away from murder and
44:20
who knows you may be there next guest,
44:22
so listen to the first degree wherever
44:24
you get your podcast.
44:26
Have! Jordan Harbinger, here of the Jordan Harbinger
44:28
Show, subscribe to the only show that
44:30
will show you howe to apply the world's greatest ideas
44:33
from the most striking minds we've got
44:35
spies. Psychologists and CEOs,
44:37
athletes and authors from Kobe Bryant
44:39
to Malcolm Gladwell, Tony Hawk and Howe
44:41
Mandel and the chairman of Google founders of
44:44
Linton and Instagram, conmen national
44:46
heros smugglers scientists. And everyone
44:48
in between check out R starter packs with topics
44:50
like persuasion and influence disinformation
44:53
and cyber warfare, negotiation and communication,
44:55
crime cults, and more come join and
44:57
have listen for. yourself at Jordan Harbinger,
45:00
dot. com slash start or search
45:02
for the Jordan Harbinger show that's a
45:04
R bazan boy, A and As and Nancy
45:06
G. R. on Apple Podcasts Spotify
45:09
or. Wherever you're listening now? On
45:11
December seventh, nineteen forty seven
45:14
Jake was transported to the Washington
45:16
State Penitentiary. To await
45:18
is execution.
45:20
Hi making some confession
45:22
deals, Jake was able to delay's
45:24
execution for to you.
45:26
Although he really never had
45:28
much in the way, a formal education. Jake
45:31
learned lot through his lengthy appeals
45:33
process. The became known as
45:35
jailhouse more. The argued
45:38
his own case several times and new,
45:40
quite bit about criminal law.
45:42
The mayor's to get his first confession
45:45
deal himself without the help
45:47
of an intern.
45:48
The remember he wanted to represent
45:50
himself, but the judge wouldn't allow.
45:53
On January six, nineteen, forty eight. Prosecutor
45:56
Password Steel and Detective Lieutenant
45:58
sermon Preamlife. Traveled to the
46:00
prison to listen to jail. He
46:03
told them he wanted to clear his
46:05
conch.
46:06
The A told them that if he
46:08
had time, he could clear
46:10
up. Forty four murders.
46:13
He had either committed or
46:15
participated in. The need some
46:17
time.
46:18
While it's going take a while, sure right to go
46:20
through the details of.
46:23
forty for murder. On
46:25
January six t. Washington
46:28
Governor. Monrad,
46:30
whoa, whoa? Granted Jake sixty
46:32
day reprieve. The make his
46:34
confession. Please, from
46:36
other states, came to interview Jag
46:38
about the murders in total,
46:41
his confession was hundred and seventy
46:43
four pages that massive.
46:46
The I'm getting little bit of
46:48
A. Then really Luca's
46:50
vibe here, yeah.
46:52
The anybody that knows that story
46:54
has seen some other documentaries
46:57
or documentaries. Documentaries
46:59
that you like to watch the I do.
47:01
The as seen what Lucas did
47:04
and in confessing to a large number
47:06
of murders. They inform the
47:08
police that he was three time
47:10
loser. The incarcerated for fifteen
47:12
years total in Michigan, Iowa,
47:15
in Utah. The record included
47:17
burglary in Utah. Salt
47:20
and attempted murder in Michigan. And
47:23
murder in Iowa. In
47:25
total, J confess to forty four
47:27
murders.
47:29
It was sad that he had intimate
47:31
knowledge. The most of the murders.
47:34
Where'd made his stories believe?
47:37
Now of the forty four officers
47:40
determined he was most likely involved
47:42
in a lot. The claim to
47:44
have. Kill people in
47:46
Evanston, Illinois. More,
47:48
more Kentucky, omaha Nebraska.
47:52
The city, Kansas, Sioux Falls, South
47:55
Dakota. Cleveland Ohio
47:57
Orlando Florida and,
48:00
What is with can't? Now we said
48:02
he traveled quite bit we did right
48:04
he was transience he hops trained
48:06
so that. part He
48:09
could have done. Could you
48:11
know visited all these places? His
48:14
preferred victim type was
48:16
wide web.
48:17
Then he said that he often use their
48:19
own hatches or access to
48:21
killed, they wouldn't say it back
48:23
in those days people as. That
48:25
is laying around. They were to
48:27
sprite that were used. On
48:30
a regular basis. Psychologists
48:32
diagnosed Jake Bird as psychopath.
48:35
You've got his satisfaction from
48:37
the side of women cowering
48:40
in tears. Give how many
48:42
episodes have we done? The mail
48:44
killers. Who?
48:47
Those women is are victims
48:49
and it ultimately came out. That.
48:53
They receive some type of gratification
48:55
from. The fear. They
48:58
they instilled in these women. Yeah.
49:01
"They were about to kill them
49:04
as they were in the process of murdering
49:06
them right, you go back to somebody
49:08
like Tommy when cells who's also
49:10
trains in a train", Ehopper
49:13
even said. The enjoy.
49:16
Watching the lights go out
49:18
in.
49:19
Someone's eyes as he strangled
49:21
them to death member or members
49:24
of. I remember him saying those things.
49:27
Gary, it is ill just
49:29
to think that. Someone would
49:31
enjoy it. Receive
49:33
enjoyment, receive gratification
49:36
from. Gearing
49:38
someone from seeing
49:40
their power, the power
49:42
that they hold over another human
49:45
being a tie for satisfaction. Most
49:47
of us can understand know because
49:49
we wouldn't want to, they wouldn't give us
49:51
that. The you make us
49:54
sick exactly is sometimes
49:56
makes you sick hearing about. The
49:58
characters confirmed that he was. Responsible
50:00
for the axe murders of to women in
50:03
Evanston, Illinois, in nineteen,
50:05
forty two. The German lines
50:07
also received telegram. Rama
50:10
police chief in Tutulsa.
50:12
The advising that the suspect was believed
50:14
to match the description.
50:16
A black man who killed two women in
50:19
Tutulsa. On January fourteenth,
50:21
nineteen, forty two. The ass for
50:23
photographs and fingerprints to be centers.
50:26
Craig most likely kill Mrs.
50:28
Harry Richardson in Houston, Texas.
50:31
Chicago police speculated that
50:33
he murdered a victim found in Lake Michigan.
50:36
We we ended detectors suspected
50:39
him of murdering young boy
50:41
and Jewish gross. The
50:43
York police linked him to the robbery
50:45
and murder of delicatessen. Then.
50:49
The mean?
50:50
You can look at this a couple of different ways. One
50:53
and. This guy was fairly
50:55
prolific. Serial killer,
50:58
he was. Nero, police
51:00
were able to. Put him
51:02
in the area or. Find some
51:04
evidence that linked him some how
51:06
to these murders. The war.
51:09
You have bunch of detectives
51:11
all over the country. The'are are jumping
51:14
at the chance to. We're
51:16
case, yeah, to square the books on. Where
51:19
users, Jag Bor guy sounds good, I
51:21
think the problem that we have is we
51:23
don't know all the details of
51:26
okay. What made them
51:28
believe and how strong? Was
51:31
that believe was a based on, you
51:33
know, some concrete type of evidence
51:35
or? The just.
51:38
Physical description or the
51:40
fact that hey we're close this
51:42
case, Man's know Mississippi
51:44
wasn't just to clear the case, yeah, let's
51:46
hope they had some type of evidence
51:49
to at least back it up. During
51:51
jag sixty, they were pre.
51:53
The appealed his conviction to the
51:55
Washington Supreme Court. The
51:57
claim that Judge Hodge made.
52:00
You destroy years. The any requested
52:02
a reach one. On November, Thirtieth
52:04
Nineteen, forty eight, the Supreme Court
52:07
denied his petition for retrial.
52:09
On December third. The
52:12
judge signed his death more. Setting
52:14
his execution for January
52:16
fourteenth, nineteen, forty nine.
52:19
The a new attorney Murray tag
52:21
moved for stay of execution. That
52:24
would allow Jag to file an appeal with
52:26
the U.S. Court of Appeals. The
52:28
motion was granted, but the Court
52:30
of Appeals were views to review
52:32
the case.
52:33
The exact situation was then set for
52:35
July fifteenth and nineteen forty
52:37
nine. Haggard filed for more
52:40
appeals on Jake's behalf, the
52:42
last on July fourteen. Governor
52:45
or third. Language. Klein,
52:47
the stay of execution. The a legal
52:50
battles put him on page one ah
52:52
the Tacoma news tribune
52:54
for twenty miles.
52:56
So he receives a lot to cover, this
52:59
was big news. They
53:01
also estimated that the cost
53:03
to. Execute him. Was
53:06
over ten thousand now. The
53:08
actually quite bit of money in Nineteen.
53:11
Ortiz, yeah, that is lot of more.
53:13
Now we know today. And
53:16
it costs lot
53:18
of money it does to actually execute
53:21
someone.
53:22
The explain his final days discussing
53:25
a small black box.
53:27
The any claim that contain money
53:29
from past burglaries? That
53:31
the box was with a friend in Louisiana.
53:34
That he wouldn't say who. Jake Road,
53:37
twenty page memoir. They
53:39
gave it to his attorney for release
53:41
after his death. Murray Taggart
53:44
did disclose part of the writings. That
53:46
much of the information in it had
53:48
already come out during the trial. After
53:51
serving nineteen months in prison. The
53:54
a bird was hanged. The
53:56
Washington State Penitentiary.
53:58
On July fifteen. Nineteen, forty
54:00
nine. Then last hours
54:02
with his attorney. The told Taggart
54:05
he could be good loser. The be felt
54:07
like he did everything he could to save
54:10
his life. It was just after midnight.
54:13
When Jake walk to the gallows. There
54:16
were about one hundred and twenty five witnesses.
54:18
Said to have a weighted his
54:20
execution.
54:22
The volunteer Chaplin began to read
54:24
Jake's final statement. Declaring
54:26
he held no mouse towards any one.
54:29
The'and and was seeking forgiveness. Right
54:31
before you finish reading the know. The
54:34
trap door open. The dropped
54:36
about five feet. Then
54:38
he died at twelve twenty eight.
54:41
In told all the execution lasted
54:43
fourteen men. Did they give a little
54:46
strange that?
54:47
They couldn't even wait to finish reading.
54:50
the know before they
54:52
Sprung the trap door or maybe the at
54:54
a certain time that the lever needed
54:56
to be poll. Or maybe
54:58
the right, you know why? That's not have any
55:00
additional drama when the note is read.
55:04
The pool this. In the middle of reading
55:06
the note.
55:07
Or maybe somebody just made a mistake
55:09
in turn to quickly and whatsoever
55:12
and I don't know or happy.
55:14
trigger what a result Jake was buried
55:16
in the Walla Correctional Center
55:19
Cemetery. His grave is only
55:21
marked with his prison number two,
55:23
one, five, two zero. The world,
55:26
his personal fortune, six dollars
55:28
and fifteen cents to. Murray
55:30
tank. She try to pay
55:32
his bill. The road in his memoir,
55:35
"I feel all my appeals have been successful
55:37
because the student said the
55:39
future will ask" Why?
55:42
The questions were not answer. And
55:45
I think when you look as Jake Bird's
55:47
case, there are some questions that
55:49
are on and. Because of
55:51
some illegal practices of the time.
55:54
Jake was not really extensively question.
55:57
War prosecuted for the
55:59
other. There's he committed. Which
56:01
is why we don't have a lot of details right
56:03
around. Those cases. The
56:06
already had an execution date, said.
56:09
The show.
56:10
It wasn't necessary to
56:12
tack on, you know, some very
56:14
long. Prison term or
56:16
license or anything like that, and
56:19
I just meant there was little to no reporting
56:21
dawn on these other cases.
56:23
Though it's kinda hard to tell.
56:26
The Arabs, when it comes to Jake Bird. Did
56:28
he commit? The lab and murders.
56:31
Or did he commit?
56:32
The you know forty plus as
56:35
he claimed. There's
56:38
probably somewhere in between there. Yeah.
56:41
I you think you can safely go
56:43
that route.
56:44
Me when you look at the fact that Detective
56:47
say they tied him to up now,
56:49
we don't know how they tied him, we
56:51
don't know how valid. That
56:53
was. The din new
56:56
look at some of the other. They
56:58
really try that hard. Knowing
57:00
that? This guy was about
57:02
to be executed. The some
57:05
jurisdictions say well. It
57:07
could be humble, what's the point? We're not
57:09
going to try him.
57:11
We don't need to get another conviction
57:13
so. We're not going to.
57:16
That much effort into a we have other
57:18
cases we need to work. I don't know. The
57:21
you're really comes down to. While
57:23
Jake Bird.
57:24
One of America's most prolific
57:27
serial killers, or was he just a really
57:29
good liar? Yeah. Go
57:32
either way I'm gonna go with. Serial
57:34
killer. To get to determination
57:36
that. The each person has
57:38
to make on their own. Was
57:41
your Henry Lee Lucas who did
57:43
kill? The number of people.
57:46
Why?
57:47
You know, wanted to delay his execution
57:50
by throwing out all these
57:52
other murders and. Then
57:54
he did successfully gain
57:56
a couple of years, he did. By
57:59
doing it. Henry,
58:01
we Lucas got bunch of strawberry milk shakes.
58:04
Though.
58:05
The got to tours and scenes in
58:07
and do some of that stuff so. Yeah,
58:09
I don't know don't know that.
58:12
We can ever really come up with the answer,
58:14
but it is a very interesting
58:16
case because. The
58:18
gets lesser known case. Where?
58:22
We could be looking at very
58:24
prolific serial killer. But
58:26
because of the time when these
58:28
murders were committed, rape and
58:31
the fact that.
58:32
I don't think all love the
58:34
concessions were investigate all
58:36
that thoroughly.
58:38
Usually not that much to report on, they
58:40
weren't afford it on, so we don't have the ditto
58:42
as true. The, you know?
58:44
But that's it for our case on Jake
58:47
Bird. That's the boy's mouse you want
58:49
to check those outlets here.
58:51
My condemning them, up in Illinois,
58:54
say actually the same become an hour, day today
58:57
and utter chaos and provide
58:59
for talking about companion medicine. or zodiac
59:02
has anything ever came up
59:04
about that i thought there was gonna be some reason
59:07
or another And I
59:09
was really helpful exterior, and haven't
59:11
heard a thing.
59:12
The writer or a search for that either, see
59:14
what you guys maybe.
59:16
Come on our own theory such a,
59:19
thousand. times better Yeah,
59:22
I'm in gives zero has been a lot of chatter.
59:25
That something big. This
59:27
is about to break in the Zodiac
59:29
case. I don't
59:31
know. The owner of it will.
59:34
I know a lot of people of
59:36
kind of been on the edge of their see because they
59:38
believe. That's close to
59:40
being so. That we've been there before
59:43
we and so too long ago not too
59:45
long as they have to kind of. Take
59:47
down with grain of salt, but what to wait and
59:49
see?
59:50
Hi, my thing to be is this is
59:52
Renee, I have been a listener for
59:54
about six months now. And
59:56
I just finished listening to
59:58
the Ronald of Wards. A. fifteen
1:00:00
year old out in West Memphis and,
1:00:03
want to know if you guys picked
1:00:05
up miss some familiar
1:00:08
players in that case, that
1:00:10
were also involved in. Messing
1:00:13
up the West Memphis three take
1:00:15
on jury gets old was the lead detective
1:00:18
in both of those, cases in
1:00:20
Judge Burnett was the judge
1:00:22
in both of those cases. Just
1:00:24
found that interesting thought you might find
1:00:27
that. interesting to also
1:00:29
i'm back in ninety nine
1:00:32
be up in a chicago
1:00:34
suburb which is kind of close to where
1:00:36
i live there was a kid
1:00:38
named willy carlson who
1:00:40
killed his parents and did some disturbing
1:00:43
things and didn't know
1:00:45
if you guys maybe one it's from
1:00:48
look into that case but when i
1:00:50
was a kid my friends and i were
1:00:52
all kind of obsessed in gross
1:00:54
out because he was a kid that was our
1:00:56
age back rough ride round of self
1:00:58
didn't have you won the look into it thank
1:01:00
you so much keep up the good work keep
1:01:02
your own time sixty
1:01:04
Thank you for the voicemail will definitely make sure
1:01:06
that case on list is far as
1:01:09
the Ronald Ward case. Then
1:01:11
I was really upset with myself. Because
1:01:13
had some of that stuff in my know, right?
1:01:16
You know, we did what four episodes
1:01:19
on the West Memphis three
1:01:21
case I've seen.
1:01:23
Every documentary, multiple
1:01:26
times.
1:01:27
Then I had in my notes to talk about
1:01:29
and bring it back around the Gary Good
1:01:31
Show and Burnett, and forgot.
1:01:34
That was on me and was mad at myself.
1:01:37
After I.
1:01:39
It was all done because I had forgotten
1:01:41
news too late to work. Go back
1:01:43
to it was. The I'm
1:01:46
a scandal. And curse.
1:01:47
They were calling from Wichita Kansas
1:01:49
and we just wanna let you know that this morning
1:01:51
they release that the Carr brothers were
1:01:54
approved for the death penalty
1:01:56
is, so that's my news, but
1:01:58
I have heard you say you have any. Came
1:02:01
here with and team thirty for any way
1:02:03
of facing to keep your time to do. Well,
1:02:05
we know the smart one in that. Relationship
1:02:08
is. Then now you're gonna alienate
1:02:11
one of them.
1:02:12
Because she's seen Fergie you're gonna put her
1:02:15
down a did I say go wrong
1:02:17
of, should say that how you did better by
1:02:19
noses years and to say is so
1:02:21
again a couple that listens
1:02:23
to teach had together? The is
1:02:26
together, absolutely. The
1:02:28
carr brothers. Without doubt.
1:02:31
Id. Some of the most despicable
1:02:34
people. We've ever covered
1:02:36
for sure man flag or was
1:02:38
very tough episode air
1:02:41
and me out again, whatever
1:02:43
side of the death toll the you land on,
1:02:45
I get everybody has the right
1:02:47
to feel about it, how they feel
1:02:50
about it, yeah, will say this.
1:02:52
If you believe in the death penalty. There
1:02:55
is no one can think of that
1:02:57
deserves it. More than those
1:02:59
individual and they were marred space monster
1:03:02
air.
1:03:03
I'd written pressure from New Jersey
1:03:06
I've been listening to you said. You're.
1:03:09
Anything like that was born under
1:03:11
one and I don't feed into
1:03:13
to climb over, time,
1:03:15
and I'm really silly everything because did
1:03:17
what he like an angry listening. To
1:03:20
the, Robert hanssen teeth
1:03:22
and as as, the part where
1:03:25
do the was trying to tell you that the
1:03:27
case movie and I've been drop
1:03:29
off for? My kid and I'm just, hysterically
1:03:31
laughing and of hearing
1:03:34
from the other cars are looking me like I'm crazy
1:03:36
just wanted tweeting voice down say thank you, thank.
1:03:38
You for being such a wonderful
1:03:41
addition to my life, since. my son was
1:03:43
born on and
1:03:46
keep up the good work and he grows and
1:03:48
he thinks guys
1:03:50
What a lovely voice mouth makes us feel great
1:03:52
it does that we. can
1:03:54
help in any way Whether
1:03:56
it's. The educational. Whether
1:03:59
it's maybe A. The laughter sure every
1:04:01
now and then.
1:04:02
Also we try we try to
1:04:05
fight we have mailbag Rebecca
1:04:07
age sin a big box of
1:04:09
gears popcorn say you
1:04:11
because all Fergie
1:04:13
does did was complaining
1:04:16
mode and oh.
1:04:18
i didn't get my pops know when the popcorn
1:04:20
came in Obviously my
1:04:22
wife new yeah and she was not
1:04:25
happy officer she was not that
1:04:27
I had express my displeasure
1:04:29
with a larger audience because,
1:04:33
i had not told her baby can are the hide
1:04:35
the fact after that
1:04:37
Greensboro send us a cool Niagara
1:04:39
Falls magnet for our studio for as
1:04:41
we loved magnets.
1:04:43
Some Bucky's beef jerky for you
1:04:45
and a bunch of Harley chips from
1:04:47
all over the country for me, well,
1:04:50
there you go, so awesome, we appreciate
1:04:52
everything we get. I'd money that
1:04:54
is it for another episode
1:04:57
of true crime all the time, so for my
1:04:59
and JB stay safe and keep your
1:05:01
own time taking.
Podchaser is the ultimate destination for podcast data, search, and discovery. Learn More