In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Andre Grey who is a Congregation Pastor at the Austin Stone Community. 

During their conversation, they discuss how our gifts can outpace our character, leadership lessons that Andre learned from the military, and the difference between relational leadership and hierarchical leadership.QUOTES FROM EPISODE 52:“My gifts as a young kid were so forward facing that they pulled me into rooms and doors that quite honestly, I didn’t have any business being in at that point.”

“There are times where your giftings will take you where your character cannot sustain you.”

“If we are going to be a leader in the kingdom of God, we have to be willing to dig into the deep, dark places of my soul and really deal with my flaws and lean into my weakness and trust in the Lord.”

“Cancel culture is not a thing with the Lord. God can redeem our story.”

“As a leader, I want to be supportive of the people I’m leading. I don’t want to use people to get tasks done. I want to use tasks to get people done.”

“Anyone going into leadership for the very first time needs to relentlessly commit to the development of their character and learn to lead with all humility.”RESOURCES MENTIONEDExtreme Ownership by Jocko WillinkLeadership as an Identity by Crawford W. LorittsWhen by Daniel PinkGentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund