Political strategist Rick Wilson has found a new life as part of a group of "never Trump" former Republicans who are working to deny President Donald Trump another term in office. 

Wilson is one of the founders of The Lincoln Project, the group behind a series of television and internet ads that are targeting Trump and his Republican allies in the Senate ahead of the November election.

Wilson is also the author of the New York Times bestseller "Running Against the Devil. A Plot to Save America from Trump - and Democrats from Themselves," which has recently been released on paperback. In that book, he offers a blueprint for how Democrats can beat Trump in November. It's also a handy primer for anyone hoping to understand the bare-knuckle nature of our political campaigns. 

Wilson joins Bryan Schott to discuss his book, why the Lincoln Project ads are so good at getting under Trump's skin and why he thinks Republicans like Sen. Mike Lee will face a political reckoning once Trump is out of office. There's also some discussion of Dungeons and Dragons. 

Subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts:

• iTunes
• Spotify
• Pandora
• Podchaser
• IHeartRadio
• TuneIn
• Google
• Stitcher
• Podcast Addict
• Deezer
• Listen Notes