Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has been downplaying the severity of the COVID-19 pandemic since the start. Then this week, he became one of the 1.6 million people in Brazil to get infected by the virus. Today, we’re talking with journalist Gustavo Ribeiro, founder of The Brazilian Report and host of Explaining Brazil Podcast, about how things got so bad in Brazil and whether Bolsonaro will take it more seriously now that he’s tested positive for COVID-19.

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