John Ondrasik has experienced all sorts of ups and downs along his journey as a 20+ year overnight success. He's the singer and songwriter known as Five For Fighting who has written hit songs like "Superman" and "100 Years". He often felt like he was one album away from having to get a real job. When his record label of 10 years dropped him, he asked himself: Is this it? Have I already had my time? Throughout it all, he's found that sometimes the big things are actually little things and the little things are actually the big things. In this episode, John Ondrasik and I discuss: Why he's still afraid to play a new song for his wife The role the desperation of a young artist has played in his life How hard it to accept the realization that you've had your time already His children and the role they've played in his songwriting over their lifetimes His family business that manufactures the shopping carts you've probably used at the store How the family business has grounded him during the height of his musical career Why he ran a marathon after getting dropped from his record label What he believes his legacy will be