Is art in the doing or in the result; in the act or the product? This was a night-long conversation Cales had with her grand pal Donis & we decided to continue it on in a WTNOK episode to not only watch Cales’ head almost spin off its axle, but so y’all could be privy to how effing cool of a pirate Mike Donis is — filmmaker, director, editor, actor, and yes, an actual pirate. Shove us in yer ear holes for clarification (& antics). 

Donis on  Instagram: @mikedonis 

“ on Twitter (which he never uses): also @mikedonis 

Check out more from his composer for “Pete Winning” here: http://aarontsang.com/ and on insta: @aarontsang.music

Cool things:

Donis: “For my own mental health, I wake up every day at least two hours before I have to leave home. I essentially just sit by myself for the first hour, before starting to get ready to leave during the second hour. No matter how early I have to get up, 95% of the time I do the two-hours thing. It helps me feel settled before gearing up for the day.”

Cales: jeans (but also something significantly deeper, mentioned mid-ep, which none of us could remember by the end, so maybe not so deep actually, but rather than re-listening to her own voice again, yay, a fun Easter egg for you!)

Justin: Drawing as an act of mediation! 

Theme music by Tessa Good & Petr Balaz

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