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UnitedHealthcare Assassin: Italians Are Black Again?

Released Thursday, 12th December 2024
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UnitedHealthcare Assassin: Italians Are Black Again?

Thursday, 12th December 2024
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3:20

to Sweeping Judgment. Josh, I'm just

3:22

going to jump straight into it.

3:25

Okay. As a fellow, fellow gray

3:27

hoodie wearer. Yeah. You knew this

3:29

guy was going to shoot the

3:31

guy, didn't you? Uh, it's something.

3:34

Why are you still wearing the

3:36

hoodie, by the way? I, okay,

3:38

look, this is how I actually

3:40

dress. So, when he... When

3:43

he popped up, can I tell

3:45

you, can I tell you one

3:47

thing real quick about the whole

3:49

thing before we knew who he

3:52

was or anything? When I saw

3:54

that dude stand up and then

3:56

like get the gun ready, everything.

3:58

I was so thankful to see

4:01

white hand. Oh yeah. was over

4:03

for you. Oh, it was over

4:05

for you. Then, then, do you

4:07

know how many videos have you

4:10

wearing that exact outfit with that

4:12

exact backpack? Talking about CEOs. And

4:14

so then, then, CBS had the

4:16

unmitigated nerve. to

4:19

say a light-skinned man. Did you know? Yeah,

4:21

I noticed that shit. I thought, oh, you

4:23

know what? Do you want to know my

4:25

conspiracy? Italians are black again. No. No, no,

4:27

no, no, no, no, no. That trumpy woman

4:30

said Ariana Grande is taking white people's roads.

4:32

No, no, no, no. She's Italian. I'm telling

4:34

you, Josh. I know it's just that's light

4:36

scared. I thought I was the only one.

4:38

Yeah, I know. I genuinely thought about... Now

4:40

my theory is, because it's come out as

4:43

Italian, I'm like, maybe, you know... Yeah, but

4:45

they didn't know, but they didn't know when

4:47

they made that statement. But now what I'm

4:49

saying, they're calling Italian light skins? No, no,

4:51

no, no. Let me tell you something, I,

4:54

when that exact thing, because we all sort,

4:56

we all looked at the hand, and we,

4:58

you look and you're like, we know who

5:00

this isn't. Yeah, no, no, no, no. And

5:02

then they were like a light skin man.

5:05

I was like, uh, uh, uh, guys, let's,

5:07

let's not. No, also. I don't want to,

5:09

like, cast dispersions on my people, but the

5:11

time of day, I knew they weren't black.

5:15

like too early to be doing

5:17

hits like no no we're not

5:19

doing because you know at the

5:21

beginning we trust fired in the

5:23

studio we thought it was like

5:25

some elaborate like they hide an

5:27

assassin yes yes and I feel

5:29

like any black assassins out there

5:31

probably work between 11 a.m and

5:33

8 p.m. I do not stand

5:36

by any of these statements. I

5:38

do not. I'm just saying I

5:40

won't let a black comedian woman

5:42

make jokes about black people. I

5:44

didn't say we'd be late. I'm

5:46

just saying that our working hours

5:48

we have different working hours would

5:50

be slightly different. You know what

5:52

I'm not happy that anything happened

5:54

the way it did. However, I

5:56

do think you know because we

5:58

grew up very religious, all three

6:00

of us, that sometimes we are

6:02

blessed in certain ways. I was

6:04

chatting to Christiana about this church

6:06

and I was like, oh man,

6:09

I wonder if we're gonna talk

6:11

about it on the podcast. And

6:13

Christiana was like, but we can't.

6:15

She was like, we cannot because

6:17

he hasn't been caught and there

6:19

is no third act to the

6:21

story. We know that the, no,

6:23

I was like, we know that

6:25

an assassin shot the CEO, we

6:27

know that he's on the run,

6:29

but we don't know how it.

6:31

I will say this, the suspect,

6:33

because maybe he's not, and maybe

6:35

he will be found innocent. Can

6:37

I interject with one other thing

6:40

that is about this media frenzy

6:42

that is a joy to watch?

6:44

It starts out with something bad,

6:46

but just maybe we'll get there.

6:48

Maybe you'll cut this whole thing.

6:50

It's up to you. We're not

6:52

cutting anything from this episode. Everything

6:54

we're not terms and conditions. Anything

6:56

you listen to beyond this point,

6:58

terms and conditions apply. You have

7:00

agreed. Josh, go for it. So

7:02

basically, there's a thing, and it's

7:04

talked about in media, but it's

7:06

almost only talked about by people

7:08

of color because it's usually when

7:11

it happens to us or we

7:13

watch it happen. Whenever someone who

7:15

is usually white, almost always white,

7:17

but affluent, gets in trouble for

7:19

anything. They use the best pictures

7:21

of them. They show them in

7:23

the best light. And finally, there

7:25

are people who are like disgusted

7:27

by this act who are like

7:29

from that normally protected group that

7:31

have to watch. the

7:34

best pictures of this guy get

7:36

circulated. Like he hadn't taken a

7:38

bad picture yet his driver's license

7:40

look good. Genuinely has not. I

7:42

call him assassin Bay. Like he

7:44

is. He has a fan club

7:46

amongst the ladies. Yeah. Is this

7:48

surprising? Is this hot privilege? Is

7:50

that what it's called? Yeah. I

7:52

mean if you thought Ted Bundy

7:54

got mail. Oh man. It's also

7:56

who he took out. yes, he

7:58

had shot a worker in McDonald's

8:00

for instance the person who snitched

8:02

on him right? We'd be like

8:04

that's not cool, but he he

8:06

literally like shot up Oh, yeah,

8:08

you know what I mean? To

8:10

use comedy terms. Yeah, he punched

8:12

he punched He punched up and

8:14

knocked down RIP to that man

8:16

by the way, you know father

8:18

family man, you know, we should

8:20

we're dehumanizing CEOs right now, but

8:22

people don't care about COS Yeah,

8:24

well, I would never dehumanize a

8:27

CEO. No. Bad for business. But,

8:29

but, we'll get into this later,

8:31

but I think part of the

8:33

conversation is going to be us

8:35

discussing who gets to be the

8:37

killer. Do you know what I

8:39

mean? But let's first start with

8:41

like the most recent news. He

8:44

gets caught at a McDonald's. I don't

8:46

know about you, but everywhere I went,

8:48

people seem to be on this guy's

8:50

side. I'm shocked that somebody snitched on

8:52

him. So I'll throw this, I'll throw

8:55

two things out there, right? First one

8:57

is a... This is not in defense

8:59

of this person who did the telling.

9:01

I'm just telling you what happened, right?

9:03

In my experience, will you work at

9:05

a job like that? And somebody crazy

9:08

come in? You just want them out

9:10

by any means necessary. And so I

9:12

think there is a part of you

9:14

working there being like, look, I don't

9:16

know. He might think I'm the CEO.

9:18

I don't know what he gonna do

9:21

next. I will say though, there's some

9:23

crazy irony in that, and I don't

9:25

know if y'all have heard it yet,

9:27

but I know all these things are

9:29

happening in real time, every minute, there's

9:31

like a new update and stuff. Yeah,

9:34

yeah, there's no, as we said, there

9:36

are no facts in this podcast. These

9:38

are all sweeping judgments. Keep going, Josh.

9:40

Apparently, yes. Apparently. they are not going

9:42

to give that McDonald's worker the reward

9:44

that they were advertising. Which is low-key

9:47

hilarious because if I lost out on

9:49

$60,000 I would be mad enough to

9:51

shoot somebody. I don't understand what the

9:53

logic is behind that by the way.

9:55

The reward or not giving it to

9:57

not giving the

9:59

reward. I don't understand

10:02

understand why, like you've got to like claim it

10:04

ahead of time type ahead of but I don't know

10:06

what you've heard I don't know what you've So what

10:08

I've heard is that, that it's quote

10:10

it's quote unquote which which is a

10:12

hilarious statement because it would complicate

10:14

what that man was right there.

10:16

there. But

10:18

apparently it's complicated because it has

10:20

the actual reward to go out,

10:22

has to be approved by like

10:24

two different bodies. And the first

10:27

reward of $10 ,000, reward of was 10

10:29

,000. And then they were like,

10:31

oh, we're upping it then they were like, oh,

10:33

we're upping it. one only person said

10:35

that, not the other one.

10:37

the other one. So like, oh, we're not

10:39

gonna give you. to the money, the and

10:41

we got the guy. got the And what are

10:43

you going to do? you us? We're the FBI. us?

10:45

We're the FBI. You see the system

10:47

doesn't care about you. No, it

10:49

doesn't No, think this this story this

10:52

I mean, it's... I mean, it's, you know, know,

10:54

I'll I'll echo what you said, said, I am

10:56

not happy for anybody to be shot. I shot.

10:58

do not wish for any CEO to be shot,

11:00

I cetera. wish for But, CEO to be shot,

11:03

etc. But, found it interesting. found

11:05

it interesting that companies

11:08

and CEOs saw this moment first

11:10

and this moment, first and foremost

11:12

through the lens of them and their

11:14

safety and their ideas. ideas.

11:16

then seeing seeing it through like how people

11:18

were responding to it. Do you know what

11:20

I'm saying? know what I'm saying? Like think about it this

11:22

way, when Donald Trump, someone tried to shoot Donald

11:24

Trump. tried to shoot Donald Trump,

11:27

I don't know what the exact number was, but it

11:29

felt like. was, but it the country was

11:31

like, country was And then maybe then even 20

11:33

% was like, yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe, it

11:35

didn't feel like a unanimous thing. like

11:37

a This is Donald Trump. This is

11:39

Donald Trump, argue the most polarizing figure

11:41

in American politics in there. polarizing figure

11:44

in the CEO guy got shot.

11:47

Twitter had some of of

11:49

meanest and funniest memes.

11:52

in in cycle. I cycle. I wasn't

11:54

there wasn't even a single person who

11:57

was like, guys, guys, guys. guys,

11:59

guys, guys. soon. I've never seen

12:01

jokes never be too soon. And I

12:03

don't understand why they didn't think of

12:05

that first. Like why was their first

12:07

thought, oh this shows you how dangerous

12:10

it is to do our jobs and

12:12

not all this shows you how the

12:14

things we're doing in our jobs are

12:16

so shitty that the whole country is

12:18

full of assassin. think that in order

12:20

to effectively do the job of a

12:22

CEO, especially when it comes to something

12:25

that deals with human life, you have

12:27

to be nearly sociopathic in nature, and

12:29

so then your personal well-being is still

12:31

like enough of a hierarchy in your

12:33

mind, that you don't think about things

12:35

in the way that it would almost

12:38

make sense to think about them, if

12:40

that makes sense. So for me, like

12:42

a good example, I know a lot

12:44

of dudes who used to be a

12:46

bouncer. And all those dudes that

12:48

used to be a bouncer, the same thing

12:51

happened. Somebody finally pulled a gun on them.

12:53

And they were like, you know what? I

12:55

don't need this job, right? and

12:58

and but it was a thing of

13:00

like oh i'm gonna do something different

13:02

because i don't i don't like what's

13:04

happening right now so them taking down

13:07

all their info and not just being

13:09

like you know what everybody gets free

13:11

anesthesia for the next six months like

13:13

like they didn't try to like changing

13:16

about the practices and i think that

13:18

speaks to like a deeper issue in

13:20

in the psyche they don't think like

13:22

us because they don't have to, if

13:25

that makes sense. Also, I feel like,

13:27

I don't know, maybe because I'm a

13:29

foreigner here, violence seems so ambient in

13:31

America, like there's always shootings, right? And.

13:33

for the first time I think for

13:36

like regular people it finally happened to

13:38

a person that is normally like immune

13:40

to that type of violence like how

13:42

often do you like you hear about

13:45

kids getting shot in school all the

13:47

time like to the point we've kind

13:49

of been desensitized to school shooting how

13:51

many times you hear about a CEO

13:53

getting shot and to a lot of

13:56

people CEOs are the enemy so I

13:58

was like now time we read the

14:00

news about a shooter, honestly, because these

14:02

are people that don't ever experience violence

14:05

in the way that regular people do.

14:07

You know what I think it also

14:09

was? It's also the fact that it

14:11

felt like it was targeted in a

14:13

clean and specific way. Do you know

14:16

what I mean? Like every time we

14:18

read a story in the news about

14:20

a shooter, public event, they might leave

14:22

a manifesto. But it feels like such

14:25

an attack on everybody that the people,

14:27

everyone in the community even whether or

14:29

not you're directly in that community or

14:31

not, you feel terrorized by the act.

14:33

This guy was so precise and so

14:36

clean with it. And again, just in

14:38

case you're listening, I do not approve

14:40

any of these things. I'm just pointing

14:42

out how it was perceived by myself

14:45

and many other people. It was so

14:47

clean and precise that nobody else felt

14:49

like it could have happened to them.

14:51

And nobody else felt like it was

14:53

meant to happen to them. It's almost

14:56

like, yeah, this was between you and

14:58

him, man. Yes, yes. You should only

15:00

be scared if you're the CEO of

15:02

the health company. That's what I mean.

15:05

That's what I mean. Everyone else, it

15:07

was like, Wednesday. Whereas when you read

15:09

all these other stories where they'll say,

15:11

oh, this person had an issue, they

15:13

were bullied at school, yeah, but they

15:16

shot the person. And then, do you

15:18

see in the video, there's the lady

15:20

drinking her coffee? Or she's drinking something

15:22

in the video, and the shooting happens,

15:25

and then she just like runs off.

15:27

She's also like, oh, this has nothing

15:29

to do with me. She

15:32

doesn't, she puts her hands up,

15:34

she doesn't stop screaming. She just

15:36

like, goes like, well, clearly, these

15:38

two people have some sort of

15:40

disagreement and it is not about

15:42

me, I'm gonna move. I thought

15:44

it was like a lover, you

15:46

know, where my mind goes. What?

15:48

I thought it was like a

15:50

jilted lover and he was coming

15:52

back to get his revenge. You

15:54

thought a CEO of a healthcare

15:56

company getting shot was about, what

15:59

books are you reading? You don't

16:01

want to know. A lot of

16:03

people thought that. lot of people

16:05

were like, yeah, a lot of

16:07

people were like, oh, him and

16:09

his wife have been separated. He

16:11

probably cheated, she went ahead and

16:13

like, and so I think that

16:15

the difference with this one as

16:17

well is that there's nothing that

16:19

reminds you of the, of

16:22

like the circles and the and

16:24

the class affairs like health care

16:26

does and access to it because

16:28

even with tech because remember when

16:31

that tech CEO got stabbed in

16:33

San Francisco nobody was like oh

16:35

they're after us as CEOs because

16:37

like startups and all that stuff

16:39

is like still in the culture

16:41

as like a way to lift

16:43

yourself up and we don't see

16:45

tech and tech bros in that

16:48

even though we make fun of

16:50

them we don't see them as

16:52

the enemy as much right whereas

16:54

health care if you've ever had

16:56

somebody sick in your life if

16:58

you've ever been sick and you

17:00

were like i followed all the

17:02

rules i gave you money every

17:05

month for seven years and now

17:07

you're you're playing me because you

17:09

can because you're in that like

17:11

higher echelon of this like unspoken

17:13

cast system then then yeah like

17:15

you you now are a representative

17:17

of the most evil thing you

17:19

know It doesn't matter how much

17:22

money you have, you have a

17:24

complaint about the American health care

17:26

system. Yes. Because I speak to

17:28

my super wealthy friends and their

17:30

doctors no longer take insurance because

17:32

the doctors are being screwed by

17:34

the insurance payments. So they're like,

17:36

yeah, if I want to give

17:39

birth, I pay $20,000. That's ridiculous.

17:41

You know, you feel screwed by

17:43

this system. So you're like, all

17:45

right. And look, I know we're

17:47

going back and forth, you know,

17:50

everyone colloquially would say health insurance company

17:52

health care company health care but it's

17:54

important to remember that this company didn't

17:56

provide health care okay is just an

17:58

insurance company for people's health. So what

18:00

you do is you pay them to

18:02

ensure that you have care when something

18:04

goes wrong. And yeah, it turns out

18:07

a lot of the time, I think

18:09

it's like 30% or somewhere up there,

18:11

they're one of the highest in the

18:13

country. they do not give you that

18:15

issue. But it is rare that an

18:17

issue affects as many people across different

18:19

race, gender, class lines as the healthcare

18:21

industry in America. You know what I

18:23

mean? And actually, I want to do

18:25

this. Like, I know there's a bunch

18:28

of manifestos that have come up. but

18:30

apparently this is like the most recent

18:32

slash most confirmed one by the most

18:34

news agencies again if it's not the

18:36

one it's not but they're all similar

18:38

but this one is like apparently yeah

18:40

this is apparently it says um uh

18:42

to the feds i'll keep this short

18:44

because i do respect what you do

18:47

for our country to save you a

18:49

lengthy investigation i stay plainly that i

18:51

wasn't working with anyone this was fairly

18:53

trivial some elementary social engineering basic had

18:55

a lot of patience The spiral notebook,

18:57

if present, has some straggling notes and

18:59

to-do lists that illuminate the gist of

19:01

it. My tech is pretty locked down

19:03

because I work in engineering, so probably

19:05

not much in for there. I do

19:08

apologize for any strife of traumas, but

19:10

it had to be done. Frankly, these

19:12

parasites simply had it coming. A reminder,

19:14

the US has the number one most

19:16

expensive healthcare system in the world, yet

19:18

we rank roughly 42 in life expectancy.

19:20

United is the, and there's an indistinguishable

19:22

thing, largest company in the US by

19:24

market cap behind only Apple Google Walmart.

19:27

It has grown and grown, but as

19:29

our life expectancy, question mark. No, the

19:31

reality is these indissiprovals have simply gotten

19:33

too powerful and they continue to abuse

19:35

our country for a man's profit because

19:37

the American public has allowed them to

19:39

get away with it. Obviously the problem

19:41

is more complex but I do not

19:43

have space and frankly I do not

19:45

pretend to be the most qualified person

19:48

to lay out the full argument. That's

19:50

a pretty gangster line by the way.

19:52

I like how... He has humility. He

19:54

really does like this guy's like gonna

19:56

go like take out a CEO. he's

19:58

like, look, hey man, I also admit,

20:00

I don't know everything, but I'm gonna

20:02

act on what I know. Hashtag humble.

20:04

I will say that's powerful for all

20:07

of us to follow in life the

20:09

humility. And then the last part is

20:11

he says, but many have illuminated the

20:13

corruption and greed, E.G. Rosenthal more, decades

20:15

ago and the problems simply remain, it's

20:17

not an issue of awareness at this

20:19

point, but clearly power games at play.

20:21

Evidently, I'm the first to face it

20:23

with such brutal, with such brutal honesty.

20:27

I'll pitch you this, reading that

20:29

from him was a reminder that

20:31

when you read a history book,

20:33

like Sheikh Wavar and then really

20:35

were just making it up as

20:37

they went. Jimmy

20:39

when you when you look at like

20:42

any sort of movement or any sort

20:44

of revolutionary something because they're gone and

20:46

because they're like an idea yes we

20:48

think of them as people who had

20:51

the whole plan from the beginning and

20:53

in this in like this to me

20:55

is the most perfect example of why

20:57

like for everyone's

21:00

sake, for the people with

21:02

and for the haves and

21:04

have-nots, for everyone's sake, our

21:07

institutions genuinely need to start

21:09

working the way they're supposed

21:11

to work, like no more

21:13

free passes for like politicians,

21:16

no more free passes for

21:18

anyone, because this person has

21:20

basically said in no uncertain

21:22

terms, right? Y'all, I'm only

21:25

a little bit crazy. Like,

21:28

I'm literally just crazy enough to do

21:30

this, but I'm not insane. Like, either

21:32

this is going to happen or you're

21:34

going to take care of the issue.

21:36

Because we act as if we act,

21:38

like, you see Joshapiro and them get

21:41

up there and scold the American public,

21:43

this person is not a hero, and

21:45

it's like, all well and good. And

21:47

I actually, I agree with your sentiment,

21:49

but you of all people should be

21:51

working. as hard as you can to

21:54

save those CEO lives by passing laws

21:56

that rain them in. You cannot tell

21:58

people. is the way it's going to

22:00

be, and you're going to have to

22:02

like it. And those people have guns

22:04

in America. I also think this, this

22:07

is what I mean by who is

22:09

allowed to kill. So we forget that

22:11

laws were made by people. And laws

22:13

were made by people, four people. We

22:15

forget this, right? Oftentimes people think about

22:17

laws as if these were things that

22:20

were passed down from the heavens. But

22:22

laws were actually created by people for

22:24

people, okay? One of those laws in

22:26

most countries in the world is that

22:28

your fate and how guilty you are

22:30

is decided by people. So in America

22:32

you have a jury system but in

22:35

other places they go to judge. A

22:37

person will say, yeah you should go

22:39

to jail for what you did and

22:41

I'm basing this on the law that

22:43

was created by the people. What I

22:45

think a lot of people don't realize

22:48

in this, by the way, is in

22:50

a strange way, if the majority, like

22:52

the vast majority of the country, is

22:54

for this guy, in the strangest way,

22:56

like in a warped way, you then

22:58

sort of have to question the whole

23:01

system to go, oh, wait, is the

23:03

system the thing that is right as

23:05

it stands, or... Is this

23:07

expression of what this guy did exposing that

23:09

the system is wrong and it's not with

23:11

the people? Does this make sense? Yeah, it's

23:13

kind of like that. No, it makes sense.

23:15

Like if all the people are against the

23:17

system, then who is the system for? You

23:20

know, it's like, you know that saying that

23:22

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter?

23:24

Yes. I think to like people who are

23:26

like very pro-law enforcement, they're like, you can't

23:28

just have people going on a shooting or

23:30

a shooting or a shooting or a shooting

23:32

someone because they don't like the way they

23:34

don't like the way they don't like the

23:36

way they don't like the way they don't

23:38

like the way they don't like the way

23:40

they do. And then you go on Twitter

23:42

and like, because you know in the bullish

23:44

casings, I don't know, I don't speak about.

23:47

Oh yeah, they said like, denied, to pose,

23:49

and delay. Yeah. And that became a hashtag

23:51

on TikTok and Twitter. And people telling these

23:53

horrific stories about their experience with the American

23:55

healthcare system and watching their loved one done.

23:57

And they're like, this guy did something that

23:59

I would have loved to do, but I

24:01

was on the phone. service for hours. Crying

24:03

because of my family. Yeah. Crying because of

24:05

claims and people talking about you know when

24:07

you max out a half a million for

24:09

intensive care with your baby you have to

24:11

pay out whatever comes after that. So like

24:14

you know people see him as a freedom

24:16

fighter and then other people like well if

24:18

we allow this to happen it's like America's

24:20

eventual decay. Yes but I think I think

24:22

the people who are saying that first of

24:24

all you must look at who they are

24:26

you know. Again, it's

24:28

such a hard conversation to have because

24:30

everyone will try and paint you as

24:32

if you are pro just killing a

24:35

person, which I'm not. You know those

24:37

natural experiments that you never expect in

24:39

the world but then are forced to

24:41

live through. They happen to you and

24:43

they force you to think about what's

24:45

happening in society, right? If I think

24:48

of the Sackler family. The cyclif family

24:50

is responsible for killing millions of people

24:52

in America or whatever number, right? Hundreds

24:54

of thousands at least, they are partly

24:56

responsible for doing this in many ways

24:59

actively, right? They're not in jail. They're

25:01

not going to be put on trial

25:03

in that, all of this stuff, all

25:05

of this. They're not going to be

25:07

treated the way he was. And so

25:10

in a strange way, to your point,

25:12

I go, corporations and giant groups of

25:14

powerful people is the domain of the

25:16

powerful like this is the land of

25:18

the kings right they get to do

25:21

a thing to a group of people

25:23

and we don't call that quote-unquote murder

25:25

or an assassination they just go like

25:27

no they were irresponsible and they put

25:29

profits over people's health and safety and

25:31

but I'm like okay but then what

25:34

What happened to the people that they

25:36

did to? Well, many people died. So

25:38

they weren't killed. They just happened to

25:40

die, right? And so in a weird

25:42

way, if this guy had started a

25:45

company somehow, made it about health care,

25:47

created a drug that this guy needed,

25:49

gave him too much of the drug

25:51

or too little of the drug, and

25:53

then this guy died, then Luigi wouldn't

25:56

be going to jail. Absolutely. It's just

25:58

about like how instantly he did it.

26:00

it and how much he did out

26:02

of the system, that he gets treated

26:04

differently. And again, I'm gonna say it's

26:06

a thousand times, because you know how

26:09

the world is. I'm not for what

26:11

he did, but it just throws up

26:13

like an interesting, do you know what

26:15

I mean, Josh, like it throws up

26:17

an interesting conundrum, because the same people

26:20

who are pro the system, apply it.

26:22

differently depending on who is doing the

26:24

killing. They turn around, turn a blind

26:26

eye to like corporate greed and talk,

26:28

I would call it, some people call

26:31

it corporate manslaughter, I call it like

26:33

corporate fricking murder, right? Yeah, I think

26:35

that also if you are able to

26:37

spread as much of the culpability as

26:39

possible, we have a hard time imagining

26:42

1,000 people in a company being liable

26:44

for one murder, if that makes sense.

26:46

Yeah, yeah, completely. So that also takes

26:48

away some of it, even in the

26:50

person's mind, who does it. Because I

26:52

think the thing that I won't say

26:55

no one wants to say, because I'm

26:57

not acting like I'm some complete outlier

26:59

in my rhetoric over it. But I

27:01

think the thing I have not heard

27:03

anyone say is that this man, Luigi,

27:06

committed murder. But he did not commit

27:08

the murder of an innocent man. And

27:10

I think that's where people are struggling.

27:12

Yeah, I mean, because it's like, I

27:14

understand what the Josh Shapiro's and even

27:17

what the news to a certain degree

27:19

is doing, where they're like, no, we

27:21

can't just have murder, blah, blah, blah.

27:23

And I get that. But he killed

27:25

a killer. So like, when it's on

27:27

Dexter, we love it. Yeah, that's true.

27:30

So how are we now so shocked

27:32

that people mostly and people who have

27:34

been killed, by the way, because that's

27:36

the other thing. that i think a

27:38

lot of i won't put it on

27:41

all of like white america or anything

27:43

because they obviously have their own factions

27:45

and their own sections and stuff like

27:47

that but that's what a lot of

27:49

people don't even understand about like gang

27:52

culture is that it's like someone eventually

27:54

gets got you stay in the street

27:56

long enough you get your people yeah

27:58

and then you get got then there

28:00

are people that were that were never

28:03

going to come for you but they're

28:05

waiting for the day that you get

28:07

got because you killed their cousin and

28:09

I and so they don't necessarily you

28:11

were responsible for the yeah and they

28:13

weren't involved in gang anything but they

28:16

are happy the day you get that's

28:18

a that's a great analogy actually yes

28:20

And so I think that's what a

28:22

lot of the, I guess you could

28:24

say upper echelon or the well-off parts

28:27

of America do not understand because they

28:29

are so used to having like swift

28:31

and definitive justice for themselves. Yeah. That

28:33

they cannot put themselves in the shoes

28:35

of someone who did something to you

28:38

and that's just how it is. And

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Get 15% off your first order. Josh,

30:55

I was wondering something, because I think on

30:57

here we speak a lot about young men

31:00

being radicalized. That was my thing, that was

31:02

my Trump assassination take. I was like, these

31:04

white boys are going crazy guys, we need

31:06

to get them jobs. But this guy had

31:09

all the jobs. And right, so there are

31:11

some people saying on like the more right

31:13

wing media that this is a clear case

31:15

of left wing indoctrination, you send your kid

31:18

to these prep schools, then they go to

31:20

the ivies, they come across these crazy ideas.

31:22

and then look what we have here we

31:24

have someone that you know a boy that

31:27

had the whole few his whole future head

31:29

of him decided to shoot a CEO and

31:31

that is some of the rhetoric we're seeing

31:33

out there do you feel he fits under

31:36

the young man radical legislation whether it's to

31:38

the left or the right because we're seeing

31:40

this happen on both side of the spectrum

31:42

like there was a kid that set himself

31:45

on fire for Palestine last year if you

31:47

remember and so it's like do you think

31:49

he fits that category or he's like something

31:51

of something else entirely Yeah,

31:53

personally I don't because I don't

31:55

see any of the, I think,

31:57

I think blinders that we have

32:00

as Americans are like almost like

32:02

when you go into the 3D

32:04

theater and they give you the

32:06

glasses and one side is red

32:08

and one side is blue and

32:10

it's about to shape how you

32:12

see everything so you're gonna see

32:14

this 3D world because you have

32:16

the red on and the blue

32:18

on together and I think that

32:20

if you go to one of

32:22

those 3D movies without the glasses

32:24

on and you're just like this

32:26

is bad this doesn't make any

32:28

sense. That is who I think

32:30

he is. I don't think there

32:32

was a Republican or a Democratic

32:34

agenda because if you pay attention

32:36

to Republicans and Democrats, they're both

32:38

for the health insurance companies. And

32:40

there's nothing to me that screams

32:42

politics with it as far as

32:44

the online radicalization because everyone, there

32:46

are people, so even people who

32:49

are pro-cop are like, hey, sometimes

32:51

dudes gotta get to get guy.

32:53

Yeah, do I mean? And so

32:55

I don't think he got radicalized

32:57

in a normal... Workout Jordan Peterson

32:59

pipeline if that makes sense you

33:01

want to what my take is

33:03

because sounded like my favorite Workout

33:05

Jordan Jordan Peterson I mean we

33:07

haven't spoken about his appearance No,

33:09

I just think that's a funny

33:11

workout Jordan Peterson pipeline. No, I

33:13

just think that's a funny workout

33:15

Jordan Peterson pipeline. He's very ripped

33:17

very handsome. I won't dwell on

33:19

that too much, but that isn't

33:21

for me why some people are

33:23

treating him this way, but I

33:25

think they spoke about him having

33:27

these I actually argue before you

33:29

move on yeah, I actually think

33:31

it's the other way around. I

33:33

think, you know, sort of in

33:36

the same world that Josh is

33:38

in. I think we might be

33:40

looking at a lot of this

33:42

backward, right? We're going, oh, because

33:44

he's hot. people are treating him

33:46

differently because he's good looking people

33:48

are treated because he's white people

33:50

are treated because he's this because

33:52

i think it's literally the other

33:54

way around i think because he

33:56

went after somebody who represented something

33:58

that everyone a deep

34:00

enemy. And I mean a deep enemy

34:02

because in the most extreme cases, they've

34:05

lost family members because of this. Or

34:07

they themselves are in like chronic pain

34:09

and cannot get help because of the

34:11

system. And this is a company that

34:13

denies one in five claims. I think

34:16

because of that, people are able to

34:18

see things. So like, yes, obviously there

34:20

were people who would always think he's

34:22

good looking because he's good looking maybe.

34:25

But I think more people can see

34:27

his good looking this because he did

34:29

a thing that they approved of. No,

34:31

no, no, no. He is stadium above

34:34

the average man. No, Christian, I'm not

34:36

just. You said you don't want to

34:38

dwell, but I feel like you want

34:40

to dwell on his looks. No, the

34:42

first, when you saw the first image

34:45

where the mask was down, I was

34:47

like, you can't all send this man

34:49

to prison. He needs to be like

34:51

an account of incline ad. And then

34:54

you're seeing more pictures, like even like

34:56

the mug shot he's serving. Yes, yes,

34:58

yes. But that is shaping how women

35:00

feel and gay men feel about this.

35:02

I'm just going to speak on all

35:05

about. I'm not taking that away. What

35:07

I'm saying is this, okay, to Josh's

35:09

point. Like, if somebody, you know, the

35:11

enemy of my enemy in a way,

35:14

right? There are people, as you say,

35:16

Josh, who are pro-law enforcement, who are

35:18

like, yeah, but in this instance, I'm

35:20

with him. There are people who are

35:23

anti-gun. who are like, yeah, but in

35:25

this instance, sometimes you gotta do what

35:27

you gotta do. But because this guy

35:29

has done something that most people would

35:31

argue is almost like morally correct. Which

35:34

is weird, by the way, because it's

35:36

morally accepted or morally correct. they then

35:38

are able to put aside the thing

35:40

that that that butts has with what

35:43

they normally agree or disagree with in

35:45

this instance yes exactly exactly that's why

35:47

I don't think his radicalization was like

35:49

of the norm because he somehow by

35:51

just this this is I'll I'll pitch

35:54

you this and now please don't put

35:56

me on a list because this is

35:58

gonna make me sound radical like, I

36:00

cannot get over what I was saying

36:03

before off of what he wrote. I

36:05

don't think he's someone that was radicalized.

36:07

I think he was someone who like

36:09

in HG Wells Time Machine, the perspective

36:11

of the author is someone who's not

36:14

of that time in the future where

36:16

people are just like kind of willy-nilly

36:18

and like they're willing to let someone

36:20

drown and not do anything or whatever.

36:23

He's like the only one that's like,

36:25

hey, hey, hey, everybody, everything has to

36:27

be done. I'm saying that from what

36:29

he wrote, if you take him at

36:32

his word, he's like, the first domino

36:34

had to drop and it was, it

36:36

just was me because it just was.

36:38

And that's actually someone who, the thing

36:40

that they do may be crazy, but

36:43

that's not a crazy thing to think.

36:45

Right? If you've ever been out with

36:47

your friends and you're the only sober

36:49

one and everybody's drunk, there's, it's one

36:52

of the harsh things to do is

36:54

move a party of drunk people out

36:56

of somewhere. And so, so now you're

36:58

the one that's like kind of being

37:00

the jerk in a way that's yelling

37:03

like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, we

37:05

got a good way. And I think

37:07

that that is more what he thinks

37:09

he did than any form of like.

37:12

He himself said, he's like, I'm not

37:14

even the most qualified to have this

37:16

discussion. I'm just telling you, you're not

37:18

invincible, the way you treat people matters.

37:21

Like, whatever people are going to insert

37:23

into this and maybe put in the

37:25

zeitgeist is like, that was his intention

37:27

and that doesn't feel as crazy to

37:29

me as like someone who is like

37:32

a unabomber, right? Because this dude managed

37:34

to Venn diagram, Kyle Ritten House and

37:36

Seal Team Six. Everyone. This

37:38

dude, this dude managed to get the

37:41

people who are super super left, the

37:43

people who are super super right. And

37:45

like, even the cops, you could see

37:47

the cops weren't looking hard. The cops

37:49

got family in hospital. Oh man, that's

37:51

true actually. That's why they were brushing

37:54

those leaves. He ain't over here. I

37:56

cut you off the way. So you

37:58

were going down a rabbit hole. I

38:00

was going to say, I think the

38:02

back thing, that's something I've been thinking

38:04

about since yesterday, the fact that he

38:07

lives with chronic pain and had this

38:09

surgery that made it worse, so like

38:11

it's technically in a way disabled or

38:13

has this disabling event, any type of

38:15

chronic issue, especially in American health care

38:17

system, can make you crazy. And I'm

38:19

not saying what he did was in

38:22

the moment of craziness. but being in

38:24

constant pain and the people that are

38:26

supposed to take care of you do

38:28

not will take you to a place

38:30

where most people just like I'm just

38:32

gonna stuff myself of opiates. Yeah, yeah,

38:35

yeah. Do you know what I mean?

38:37

And he's like, we have to do

38:39

something about it. But you see to

38:41

Josh, this is where I think you

38:43

and I literally on the exact same

38:45

side of seeing this is the word

38:48

crazy here. It is for me the

38:50

key, because I agree with you. Somebody

38:52

in chronic pain can do something crazy.

38:54

But oftentimes those people, the crazy goes

38:56

everywhere. Whether it's a guy in Japan

38:58

who goes to a preschool and stabs

39:01

a bunch of kids, whether it's somebody

39:03

in Australia who walks into a crowd

39:05

and shoots a bomb, and then they

39:07

all leave some sort of manifesto and

39:09

they go like, the world is this

39:11

or my company did this, and people

39:13

like, wait, you stabbed preschoolers because your

39:16

company fire, wait, what is happening? And

39:18

then here, to what Josh is saying,

39:20

and I think what a lot of

39:22

people are feeling is, the guy's like,

39:24

yes, I'm chronically in pain, but I'm

39:26

not going to shoot a nurse, I'm

39:29

not going to shoot a doctor, I'm

39:31

not going to shoot an ambulance driver,

39:33

I'm not going to shoot anyone who

39:35

works in a hospital, I'm not going

39:37

to shoot my doctor, I'm not going

39:39

to shoot my doctor, no, no, no,

39:42

no. I'm going to go to the

39:44

person who will trickle down. And that

39:46

to me seems like the opposite of

39:48

crazy. Again, not four again. I think

39:50

he's got, but you know, me, Trevor,

39:52

I think everybody's got a little bit.

39:54

Yeah, I mean, then to me, I

39:57

go like, to live in this simulation,

39:59

you cannot be saying, right? I think

40:01

it was a very lucid thing. Like,

40:03

because what was that? Guys, do you

40:05

know how, have you ever engraved a

40:07

bullet case? This is a

40:10

very... Have you ever held... Have you ever

40:12

held a bullet? Have you ever held a

40:14

bullet? Let me tell you something. Bullets are

40:16

tiny, especially in that type of gun, right?

40:19

Engraving that thing takes a lot of, like,

40:21

dexterity and precision. Yes, but my point is,

40:23

this is not a like, man, I'm gonna

40:26

do something about it and go outside. No,

40:28

you're sitting there, you've got your bullet. you're

40:31

like working away you think you can't

40:33

make any spelling errors yeah right because

40:35

that's not gonna that's not gonna get

40:37

delay doesn't get the same effect when

40:39

people find the stuff it do you

40:41

know what I mean do you think

40:43

he whistled while he made I'm just

40:45

saying most people who are working creating

40:47

things especially tiny things whether it's trains

40:49

or planes will generally you know they'll

40:51

they'll work on it and I yeah

40:53

I think I don't know, look again,

40:55

and I'm going to throw this disclaimer

40:58

in one more time, we do not

41:00

know everything, this is sweeping judgments, from

41:02

everything we do know, from everything we

41:04

do know, or what we think we

41:06

know right now. Could all be wrong,

41:08

might be wrong, let's work on what

41:10

we have. We look at even like

41:12

the books and stuff that he was

41:14

reading, and then like the reviews that

41:16

he apparently left on some of them.

41:18

By the way, he also followed Trevor

41:20

on Twitter. Can I give him props?

41:22

He followed a broad range of people,

41:24

AOC, Joe Rogan, me, Steveo. Like, this

41:26

is like a broad... I think he

41:28

followed Elon on Twitter as well. Like

41:30

it's a broad range of people. And

41:32

if anything, he made me think, huh.

41:34

Should I not be broadening my... Well,

41:36

you know you're safe if he gets

41:38

off non-guity. No, no, no, no. I

41:40

think of it more like this. I

41:42

thought to myself, if this young man

41:44

could... Because someone said to me, they're

41:46

like, why would he follow you and

41:48

Joe Rogan? And I was like, actually,

41:50

you know it? If this young man

41:52

could see any similarities in something between

41:54

me and Joe Rogan, then maybe I

41:56

could do a better job of that

41:58

as well. That's what I thought to

42:00

myself. think when I look at this

42:02

person, I will say this, good luck

42:04

to them finding a jury that is

42:06

going to find him guilty, or even

42:08

a jury who won't pull that, you

42:10

know that law, it's like a, what

42:12

is it called? There's like this weird

42:14

law in America, jury nullification, I think

42:16

it's called or something, where jury can

42:18

be like, yeah, the person did it,

42:20

but you know what, man, it's alright.

42:23

The jury is going to be tainted,

42:25

just because who hasn't had a terrible

42:27

experience with healthcare companies in this country?

42:29

But this is exactly my point. This

42:31

is exactly my point. I'll pitch you

42:33

this. All that dude got to do

42:35

is roll up in there and be

42:37

like, y'all, I am so sorry. I've

42:39

been crazy and I was on the

42:41

phone with United Health Care and nobody

42:43

would take my call. And so I

42:45

was trying not to do this for

42:47

six months because remember y'all I went

42:49

missing? And so then I was on

42:51

the phone with him that whole time

42:53

I was missing and then they didn't

42:55

pick up. So I was like, let

42:57

me go see him. Everything

42:59

you're saying. Everything you're saying.

43:01

Also, if you want to

43:03

talk about safe CEOs, I

43:06

know that the CEO of

43:08

Starbucks must assign a brother

43:10

relief. That man hit a

43:12

Starbucks right before he did

43:14

it. And then CEO of

43:16

McDonald's too. McDonald's probably like,

43:19

oh, thank goodness. All right.

43:21

Oh, boy. Okay. There's

43:23

an interesting, I'm not sure if it

43:25

was a study or if it was

43:28

just a piece of work that was

43:30

done on how collective groups can shift

43:32

individual morals. And it literally spoke to

43:35

this idea of everything that people will

43:37

do as part of a company, they

43:39

would never do as a person. Do

43:42

you know what I mean? Yeah, for

43:44

sure. And I think what this, what

43:46

this kid allegedly did is He sort

43:49

of poked a hole in the idea

43:51

that a corporation isn't people. Do you

43:53

know what I mean? we often act

43:56

like corporations or not people. We go

43:58

like, well, the company, the company, the

44:00

company, the company, the company. And then

44:02

it's like, the company, and you cannot

44:05

send a company to jail. That's literally

44:07

the law. So they go like, you

44:09

can't. What are you going to do

44:12

about it? And so the company's fine

44:14

and the company. And then he came

44:16

along and he was like, oh, no,

44:19

no, no. Guys, it's not the company.

44:21

The same way. When you go on

44:23

a safari. They say the reason animals

44:26

don't jump in and eat you is

44:28

because the lions see you as one

44:30

unit with the vehicle. So they don't

44:33

see people inside the car. They go,

44:35

this thing rumbles past us and it

44:37

doesn't eat us and it doesn't fight

44:40

with us so we don't care about

44:42

it and it's not our prey. Whatever.

44:44

And they leave it alone. in a

44:46

weird way it feels like what he

44:49

did here for many people was he

44:51

went yes i know that this behemoth

44:53

is unstoppable it is unbeatable it is

44:56

unquestion it's everything you you but you

44:58

know what it has people who run

45:00

it and by piercing that veil i

45:03

think a lot of the people who

45:05

run it now go like ugh think

45:07

twice yeah because let me put it

45:10

this way the fact that This

45:12

is what I also realized from this

45:14

whole incident, is like companies don't give

45:17

a shit. They truly don't. Now there

45:19

are companies who are selling benign products

45:21

and it's like, whatever, a drink you

45:23

like, you know, a vacation or yeah,

45:25

I'm not, I don't hate companies, right?

45:28

But there's an element of like companies,

45:30

they don't give a shit. And you

45:32

see the levels of don't give a

45:34

shit even in the story. This guy

45:36

gets shocked the CEO. He was going

45:38

for an investor meeting. You know they

45:41

still held the meeting? Yeah, like some

45:43

gang. They still had that meeting. The

45:45

mob doesn't do that. The mob, if

45:47

somebody, no godfather movie, did somebody get

45:49

pop pop? And they were like, they

45:52

held the meeting. moment of silence. Yo,

45:54

but they react. I think a meeting

45:56

going ahead is the most chilling thing.

45:58

And then how did they and then

46:00

how did all these healthcare companies react?

46:03

They pull down their leadership from every

46:05

website. But here's my thing. If they

46:07

believe that this thing was so dangerous

46:09

that they need to pull down their

46:11

faces. Why would they not get protection

46:13

for everyone? Why would they, do you

46:16

get them saying? It's such a like

46:18

nefarious, it's all about us, it's the

46:20

top and it's the CEOs. I'm like,

46:22

you guys, you can't even act like

46:24

good guys in this moment. You can't

46:27

even come out and go, man, you

46:29

know, we don't like what happened. but

46:31

we need to have conversations about what

46:33

the healthcare industry how we are perceived

46:35

because if one of us is shot

46:38

and everyone is happy maybe it's time

46:40

for us to look inward and be

46:42

like damn maybe there's something we are

46:44

doing or aren't doing it and I

46:46

go back to by the way the

46:48

Trump assassination thing I said this people

46:51

disagreed with you whatever what I said

46:53

like after you look at those few

46:55

weeks after Trump was shot at he

46:57

was a little calmer he was just

46:59

a little bit like hey man you

47:02

know You know, come on guys, like

47:04

hey man. And I think there's like

47:06

a humanness that companies just don't encourage

47:08

in people and this got exposed by

47:10

it even for the people. Like if

47:12

you work for this company, why would

47:15

you even like, why would you, why

47:17

would you, why would you help them

47:19

make themselves worse when they've shown you

47:21

that if the worst that they do

47:23

comes back on you, they don't give

47:26

a shit about you. Well, if you

47:28

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47:30

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49:17

genuinely have not, right? Disclaimer, disclaimer.

49:20

But another thing that I think

49:22

was, um... was on people's minds

49:24

and was a thing to root

49:26

for with this guy is we

49:28

are in the year of what

49:30

feels like open murders by corporations.

49:32

That Boeing guy, that second Boeing

49:35

guy, the whistleblower deaths that have

49:37

been happening in American companies are

49:39

like so undertone scary that I

49:41

think people were like yeah. you

49:43

cannot separate that in my mind.

49:45

It felt it really felt like

49:47

David and Goliath. Yes, because because

49:49

like when you look at Boeing

49:52

all that dude said was what

49:54

we already knew by the way.

49:56

The dude the dude that got

49:58

like mysteriously murdered in the parking

50:00

lot of his hotel room right

50:02

before he was supposed to testify

50:04

in court all that stuff. That

50:07

dude, all he did was he

50:09

had worked at Boeing for like,

50:11

I think, 19 years or something

50:13

like that. But he was like,

50:15

the plane door going to fly

50:17

off. We already saw the plane

50:19

door fly off. So he didn't

50:22

even have any secrets. He was

50:24

just about to say it in

50:26

court. And he mysteriously dies. A

50:28

dude who no one actually knows

50:30

where that dude is. I think

50:32

that that's a big part of

50:34

it. You think it'll change anything?

50:37

Huh, that's interesting. And I do

50:39

think there's a high chance there

50:41

could be, because there's a lot

50:43

of people out there that feel

50:45

they have nothing to lose, you

50:47

know. So you think the one

50:49

no? No, I don't think one's

50:52

enough, because I don't think that

50:54

health insurance companies are scared enough,

50:56

and there's like trillions on the

50:58

lot, like there's a lot of

51:00

money, right? And they can hire

51:02

security and do all of these.

51:04

But if it becomes a thing

51:07

of like, you know how Robin

51:09

Hood would like still from the

51:11

rich and get to the poor,

51:13

there's people out there who are

51:15

disgruntled and they shoot people high

51:17

up at health insurance companies. It

51:19

completely changed how they operate, but

51:22

I don't think one's enough. Not

51:24

that I'm trying to say people

51:26

should do more, please. Everything, disclaimer,

51:28

disclaimer. I don't want that smoke,

51:30

but I just don't think one's

51:32

enough. But I think if there's

51:34

copycats, it's game over. Yeah, I

51:36

also think more would be bad,

51:39

because a lot of people don't

51:41

have aim. Yeah. Like, like, there

51:43

are people who, who say, uh,

51:45

the whole sniping from far away

51:47

thing is, like, a thing in

51:49

the movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. is

51:51

more real, like up close, that's,

51:54

you know, this is what's happening

51:56

in like, developing countries all around

51:58

the world, people who are like

52:00

running to clean up government, you

52:02

don't get got from far. Oh

52:04

my God. For the most part,

52:06

yeah, just someone comes up, even,

52:09

even think of like actually. Wasn't

52:11

it like a balcony? No, I

52:13

think they're a lot closer. He

52:15

was on a balcony, right? I

52:17

think they're a lot closer than

52:19

you think is what's always the

52:21

case. Yeah, I think he got

52:24

caught because yeah, MLK was on

52:26

a balcony, but he shot him,

52:28

I think in the picture they're

52:30

pointing at. Yes, they are. They're

52:32

like, there he is. Yeah. It's

52:34

one of those, it's one of

52:36

those things. You know, maybe I've

52:39

watched too many movies. I always

52:41

thought it was just like that

52:43

sniper thing and. People are super

52:45

far. Yeah, you know, can I

52:47

say talking about movies? I, again,

52:49

I don't, I don't, disclaimer, disclaimer,

52:51

I don't condone anything, blah, blah,

52:54

blah, blah. I was disappointed at

52:56

how he got caught. In a

52:58

MacDonnell? No. No, like what I

53:00

mean is like. You know, it

53:02

seemed so like, you know, biddip,

53:04

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb he wanted to kill

53:06

the sea, and everything after that

53:09

was a bonus. I think he

53:11

probably thought he'd be caught sooner.

53:13

Oh, interesting. Yeah, because there's like,

53:15

there's no, he had the weapon

53:17

on it, allegedly, because some people

53:19

say they planted stuff, but he

53:21

had a weapon on him, he

53:24

had a planted stuff, but had

53:26

a weapon on him, he had

53:28

a weapon on him, he had

53:30

a weapon on him, like he's

53:32

telling me a shadows, but maybe

53:34

Josh, you disagree, you disagree. I

53:36

will I only slightly disagree. I

53:38

first I thought what exactly what

53:41

when I heard that they even

53:43

had a suspect or that he

53:45

took his mask down or something,

53:47

I was like, this person's either

53:49

really dumb or they don't mind

53:51

getting caught. But I personally, this

53:53

is just me, I think he

53:56

was on the way to do

53:58

it again. I think that I

54:00

think where they caught him, what

54:02

they caught him with. It screams

54:04

someone who's not done to me

54:06

like that like like oh you

54:08

see I yeah I can take

54:11

that I think he was in

54:13

in I'm surprised the news hasn't

54:15

like said that or no one

54:17

that I saw on the news

54:19

has theorized that because to me

54:21

to have everything with you Like,

54:23

crack hands don't do that. Like,

54:26

to have everything on you from

54:28

the crime you committed days ago,

54:30

by the way, this stuff is

54:32

heavy after a while. You're not

54:34

going to lighten your load, throw

54:36

it in a trash can, two

54:38

states away or something. So, I

54:41

mean, my thing is, if this

54:43

kid is trying to get away,

54:45

his family owns two country clubs,

54:47

right? When you fly private, they

54:49

don't check. So all he has

54:51

to do is fly private. to

54:53

the other side of the country

54:56

and then take a bus into

54:58

Mexico. He already had the head

55:00

start of Central Park, which I

55:02

don't think people realize how much

55:04

he was not gonna get caught.

55:06

Also, the Central Park, this is

55:08

the one thing that's confused me.

55:11

The police said that he went

55:13

into Central Park and then appeared

55:15

on the other side without the

55:17

backpack. That's what they said. That

55:19

was the original statement, right? So

55:21

I don't know if you know

55:23

anything about this. The theory that

55:25

I've seen, right, is that a

55:28

lot of what people are saying,

55:30

because the police, and I don't

55:32

just mean NYPD, I mean any

55:34

police department, is never gonna go

55:36

out of their way, even if

55:38

it means telling the truth, to

55:40

make themselves look incompetent, stupid, corrupt,

55:43

whatever. And so there were some

55:45

people that were saying, this thing,

55:47

like the thing that you just

55:49

read, was when they were looking.

55:51

a different person and they were

55:53

wrong. Oh, that would make sense.

55:55

Jamie, so they were wrong about

55:58

that thing, which I think is

56:00

why they haven't said it again.

56:02

And now that he's got the

56:04

backpack, they were like, yay, at

56:06

the backpack the whole time. By

56:08

the way, can I just say

56:10

one of the funniest moments? I

56:13

think it was Eric Adams who

56:15

came out, he was like, we

56:17

saw this case using good old-fashioned

56:19

police work. It's like, no, someone

56:21

snitched. Yeah. It's just another example

56:23

of like where it's like, yeah,

56:25

it showed me how incompetent the

56:28

police was. It was nothing. Like

56:30

even now I'm like, you guys

56:32

got outsmotted by a kid and

56:34

literally got caught because someone in

56:36

McDonald's was like, oh, he's a

56:38

weirdo. Yeah, someone snitched and that

56:40

was it. like that was literally

56:43

the fact that they are not

56:45

giving that that worker the money

56:47

that's just trying to radicalize working

56:49

in McDonald's because I'm sure they

56:51

don't have health insurance and I'm

56:53

just like shocked yeah of class

56:55

solidarity shocks me I'm just saying

56:58

like you you robbed me of

57:00

60K I'm not saying I would

57:03

I'm just saying people have done it for

57:06

less. You're not saying you would. I just

57:08

think it's wild. You might buy a backpack.

57:10

Yeah, but maybe we're underestimating how much like

57:12

regular Americans do hate crime. Because if it's

57:15

like a just a regular person working at

57:17

McDonald's who's like, hey police, I think I

57:19

found him, that maybe they could be a

57:22

jury in New York. Like if they get

57:24

people from like, lots of queens and an

57:26

island who'd be like guilty. I hear you,

57:28

but I think Josh's theory is the best

57:31

I've heard and it's that because you don't

57:33

know what you're dealing with, because think again,

57:35

let's let's look at America through a larger

57:37

lens. Any shooter

57:40

that people talk about is shooting everyone

57:42

So we have had very few if

57:44

any instances of a like a targeted

57:47

single shooter that doesn't endanger another person

57:49

type even the person people always forget

57:51

at Trump's assassination somebody else died Like

57:54

no one talks about that right? It's

57:56

not like the bullet didn't kill an

57:58

human being. People are just like, oh,

58:00

thank God, nothing happened. I'm like, no,

58:03

no, no. There's a man who lost

58:05

his life. He was just standing at

58:07

the rally. So you get what I'm

58:10

saying? So it's very rare that anyone

58:12

who's shooting doesn't involve other people who

58:14

they either didn't want to or didn't

58:17

care to involve. Same with gang violence.

58:19

How many times are little kids shot

58:21

in the midst of gang? And then

58:23

the gangsters will be like, we didn't

58:26

want to do it. And communities, it's

58:28

like, we don't care. You did it.

58:30

So I can see somebody seeing that

58:33

guy in the McDonald's and like, ah,

58:35

man. That's why Josh's theory is completely,

58:37

I can see, because you don't know

58:40

what's about to happen, but I think

58:42

when it comes to jury time, it's

58:44

going to be a very different story,

58:46

because now people are like, oh, if

58:49

his lawyer is in any way, shape,

58:51

or form allowed to bring up anything

58:53

that United Healthcare does. I think it'll

58:56

be tough for a jury to give

58:58

this kid everything. I mean, he's a

59:00

rich kid, so he's not going to

59:03

have a public defender. Yeah. This is

59:05

going to be an interesting case. No,

59:07

his family is going to hire the

59:09

best possible as any parent should. This

59:12

is going to be the biggest case

59:14

ever. Christiano is going to be at

59:16

the courthouse worker that turned that dude

59:19

in. This is probably way off base,

59:21

but I think in their mind, they're

59:23

like, okay, people miss all the time.

59:26

And Trump did just work at McDonald's

59:28

for 15 minutes somewhere else. What if

59:30

that man? What if this do know

59:32

something? I don't know. I want to

59:35

catch anything. The crosshairs at the Fryer

59:37

Station. You know what? I'm curious about

59:39

the McDonald's employee. I would love to

59:42

hear from them. I think everybody... That's

59:44

the real third act in the story.

59:46

Oh, you think that's the real third

59:49

act? Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'm just,

59:51

because they're a polarizing person. I feel

59:53

like that's the epilogue. Yeah, people say

59:55

if it was pop eyes, they would

59:58

have been like giving him more chicken.

1:00:00

then sent him on his way. I

1:00:02

think, you know, one of the great,

1:00:05

I mean, irony might be the wrong

1:00:07

word about this, but I was thinking

1:00:09

to myself, it's so amazing how almost

1:00:12

unanimous, all the CEOs of these companies,

1:00:14

literally, they, you know, they pulled down

1:00:16

their photos. They sent, do you see

1:00:18

the emails they sent to employees? Healthcare

1:00:21

companies have been sending, not manifest, what

1:00:23

do you call them, like, pledges. to

1:00:25

their employees to sign and the pledge

1:00:28

is like, I stand with my fellow

1:00:30

health care community and I believe that

1:00:32

no violence should ever be committed against

1:00:35

them. I pledge my allegiance to the

1:00:37

health care company that I work for,

1:00:39

insert name here, like literally that's what

1:00:41

they're going with. And then like none

1:00:44

of them went to work and it

1:00:46

was a whole thing. And I was

1:00:48

like, it's funny how now CEOs are

1:00:51

like, yeah, I work from home, work

1:00:53

from home. Yeah, you know. Yeah, they

1:00:55

were fully like, no, no, no, everyone's

1:00:58

got to be back in the office

1:01:00

and then very quickly they're like, no,

1:01:02

no, no, no, no, no, sometimes you

1:01:04

got to work from home, man, you

1:01:07

know, sometimes things happen in your life

1:01:09

and yeah, you just got to chill.

1:01:11

Josh, I, I have a question for

1:01:14

you that's a little controversial. If you

1:01:16

were on the jury, what are you,

1:01:18

what's your verdict? Oh, that's all I

1:01:21

know. Oh, okay.

1:01:23

Um, here's my thing.

1:01:25

I'm loving this already.

1:01:27

I would find him.

1:01:29

Yes. I would probably

1:01:31

end up finding him

1:01:33

not guilty by reason

1:01:35

of insanity. Oh, okay.

1:01:37

Okay. Christina. Um. So

1:01:41

she's going to find him hot

1:01:43

guilty. No. Oh, he did it.

1:01:45

My husband was like yesterday, like,

1:01:47

you're talking about this guy. Do

1:01:49

you think he's better looking than

1:01:51

me? Absolutely not. What are you

1:01:54

talking about? I was like, but

1:01:56

he doesn't have a beard. I

1:01:58

want we'd look with a bit,

1:02:00

but back to the matter at

1:02:02

hand. Can jury make sentencing recommendations?

1:02:04

Remember, you know, I'm an abolitionist.

1:02:06

I think they can in certain

1:02:08

cases. Yeah, so I would find

1:02:11

him guilty? Yes. I'd give him

1:02:13

probation. Oh, damn. That came out

1:02:15

of nowhere. I would give him

1:02:17

five years probation. Because you would

1:02:19

argue that he's not a risk?

1:02:22

Because I actually don't think, prison doesn't

1:02:24

work. All the research shows, prison doesn't

1:02:26

work. And I don't feel like he's

1:02:28

a danger to other people. Like, you

1:02:30

know, I believe in. Which other people?

1:02:33

You know, people like myself. He was

1:02:35

reading books by black authors going through

1:02:37

his good reads, you know? He's okay.

1:02:39

He's okay. I would, no, but like,

1:02:41

I, but I say this about like,

1:02:43

like, Murders a horrible thing, like I

1:02:45

experienced it in my family early this

1:02:48

year and it's been the first time

1:02:50

I actually really had to think about

1:02:52

like being abolitionist and how I feel.

1:02:54

So when it came to my family,

1:02:56

you know, everyone feels differently about it.

1:02:58

Like some people are like, like, they

1:03:01

need to spend forever in prison. I

1:03:03

do think if prison does what it's

1:03:05

supposed to do for people, you should

1:03:07

go there and be restored and hopefully

1:03:09

be left back into society. So that's

1:03:11

why I would find him guilty, because

1:03:13

he did take a life, right? He

1:03:16

did commit a murder. Maybe serve some

1:03:18

time and then the rest probation. Because

1:03:20

honestly, the kids of the man, he's

1:03:22

not the CEO of a health insurance

1:03:24

company. He's your dad. Yes. And they

1:03:26

have to live without their dad. This

1:03:28

is true. You know, and so it's

1:03:31

just like I think there should be

1:03:33

something in place because we have to

1:03:35

have some value for life, even lives

1:03:37

I despise. I'm like, your life has

1:03:39

value, right? So I'm like, I find

1:03:41

him guilty, maybe serve some time, but

1:03:44

I don't think he should spend the

1:03:46

rest of a life in prison, which

1:03:48

I think from a lot of murderers

1:03:50

shouldn't spend the rest of a life

1:03:52

in prison. Oh, damn. your life. He

1:03:54

is like a hot 22. That's your

1:03:56

life. He's gonna come out and eat

1:03:59

in his 40s. I'm just gonna put

1:04:01

it out there. That's your life. No,

1:04:03

I'm just saying. Norway and Sweden don't

1:04:05

even do a life sentence as 20.

1:04:07

I can't say the sentence because I

1:04:09

don't, you know, I can't say the

1:04:11

sentence. I think he should, because also

1:04:14

he should like kind of sit down

1:04:16

and think about what he wants to

1:04:18

do. I think he did when he

1:04:20

was carving the bullets. and then probation

1:04:22

and not like punitive probation probation with

1:04:24

a view of like you can now

1:04:26

contribute something to society and people would

1:04:29

argue he already did but like in

1:04:31

the positive way not like it would

1:04:33

argue he already did but like some

1:04:35

addition you know what I mean like

1:04:37

that's my that's my view I'm like

1:04:39

people who kill okay and also I

1:04:42

feel like If he was a black

1:04:44

guy, we'd probably be having a different

1:04:46

conversation right now. So, you know. Okay,

1:04:48

okay. Trevor, I'm so sorry. That's my

1:04:50

view. Do you mind? Based off of

1:04:52

Christiana's brilliant answer, I think I need

1:04:54

to change my answer. What are you

1:04:57

talking about? Yeah, yeah, I would probably

1:04:59

find him guilty and I would sentence

1:05:01

him to be the CEO of a

1:05:03

health care company. Not

1:05:09

so easy when you got

1:05:11

to do it, bro. What

1:05:13

about you, Trevor? So if

1:05:15

the back pain thing is

1:05:18

real, and if some of

1:05:20

the stories are true, and

1:05:22

if his lawyer very creatively

1:05:24

argued self-defense, I would have

1:05:26

a difficult time sending him

1:05:29

to prison. because

1:05:31

I think one of the hardest

1:05:33

things we grapple with in society

1:05:35

is again, I come back to

1:05:38

how we started. I myself wish

1:05:40

to live by the rules and

1:05:43

the laws that everyone else does,

1:05:45

but I do believe we live

1:05:47

in a society where that isn't

1:05:50

true. And I believe the more

1:05:52

power you amass, the more pain

1:05:54

you can inflict on other people.

1:05:57

And you're not held to the

1:05:59

same laws and the same punishment

1:06:01

as everybody else. And so it

1:06:04

is difficult because we ourselves in

1:06:06

the thing that we are trying

1:06:08

to in many ways reshape and

1:06:11

dismantle. So it's like, it's confusing

1:06:13

because you're in it, right? But

1:06:15

if somebody is unable or is,

1:06:18

if their life is being threatened

1:06:20

by this nebulous entity and they're

1:06:23

like, this is the only way

1:06:25

I can protect myself and others.

1:06:28

I would struggle to find them guilty based on

1:06:30

the evidence and a lot of that evidence for

1:06:33

me would be based on like this company have

1:06:35

we shown that they actively try to not pay

1:06:37

for people's health care how many people have died

1:06:39

because of their practices are they actively doing this

1:06:41

for instance like they had that AI software a

1:06:44

while ago where they had AI that was basically

1:06:46

approving or denying claims. And the numbers I say

1:06:48

might be off, but I think I remember them

1:06:50

correctly. This thing was denying like 90% of the

1:06:53

claims that were coming through. And then they found

1:06:55

that it was making a mistake and they kept

1:06:57

it. They kept it because they were just like,

1:06:59

well, we just printing money here. And that's just

1:07:01

one example of like what this company has been

1:07:04

accused of or found guilty of or do you

1:07:06

know what I mean? $400 billion in profit and

1:07:08

whatever, or revenue, it's like, they've been crushing it.

1:07:10

So I do not wish for the death of

1:07:13

anyone, but I'm like you, the thing has happened

1:07:15

now. Right? But it's a difficult one for me

1:07:17

to wrestle with because I do think we live

1:07:19

in a world where some people with the right

1:07:21

tools and everything can take anyone out. And if

1:07:24

they are blanketed by enough corporations and ideas, then

1:07:26

they are seen as a, you know? Maybe I

1:07:28

just see it from his family side, like his

1:07:30

parents, his siblings and his children. Completely. And your,

1:07:33

like, his life had some value to them. Because

1:07:35

like, for me, my parents, your parents aren't their

1:07:37

jobs. Like even Saddam Hussein's kids. my dad, you

1:07:39

know, like these very horrific people. Yes. And if

1:07:41

we believe like all life has inherent values. Yes,

1:07:44

but I'm arguing that the value of his life

1:07:46

is now not going to be, because remember I'm

1:07:48

also an abolitionist, remember for me it's based on

1:07:50

this, does he have a direct connection with this

1:07:53

company and were they doing something to him directly?

1:07:55

That for me has a big effect on it,

1:07:57

because I then go, hmm, it is difficult for

1:07:59

me. to then go, because someone would be like,

1:08:01

yes, but if you have a problem with the

1:08:04

company, take them to court. Good luck. Go try

1:08:06

that. You get what I'm saying? I'm trying to

1:08:08

figure out the ways we hold this young man

1:08:10

who's done this thing, which, yeah, for me, you'll

1:08:12

go to therapy and we shut him down and

1:08:15

make him accountable. Because I just, I just don't

1:08:17

think you should be able to kill people. I

1:08:19

don't think I don't think so either. I mean,

1:08:21

I want to add in this conversation, this conversation

1:08:24

is, I think all three of us agree. This

1:08:26

is not about being a CEO, by the way.

1:08:28

Like, CEO is like a loose title. People have

1:08:30

it on their dating profiles. So CEO is the

1:08:32

thing that I think can sometimes muddy it. I

1:08:35

think people should just ask themselves, like, you know,

1:08:37

from a corporation standpoint, from an organizational standpoint. Like,

1:08:39

why is it okay, let's say, for the US

1:08:41

government to go in and kill like El Chapo

1:08:44

or Osama bin Laden? Why do they do that?

1:08:46

Why do they do that? Right? They do it

1:08:48

because they go, look, we know that many people

1:08:50

involved in this organization that is taking people's lives.

1:08:52

But we figure if we can get to this

1:08:55

person, who's the head of the organization, we're making

1:08:57

the biggest difference, and that is what we're doing.

1:08:59

And then we, and I say we as the

1:09:01

collective, most people do not go, oh, the American

1:09:04

government murdered Osama bin Laden. I said that. Okay,

1:09:06

you say that, but most people do not. They'll

1:09:08

be like, no, no. They went off to the

1:09:10

guy and they got him, okay? And El Chapo's

1:09:12

alive, but you get on saying, they shot Pablo

1:09:15

Escobar. like, no, like, was

1:09:17

a chase. They got him

1:09:19

on the roof. They

1:09:21

shot the dude, on the roof, they

1:09:24

And so okay? And saying in

1:09:26

a weird way weird way on a

1:09:28

I'm saying on a

1:09:30

jury, by the way. Yeah,

1:09:32

yeah. I'm not condoning. agreeing

1:09:35

with, not agreeing with, because

1:09:37

everyone has a different

1:09:39

way to solve their issues.

1:09:41

their issues. I right, I would

1:09:44

probably just tweet a

1:09:46

lot. I'm just gonna put

1:09:48

it out there. I

1:09:50

would send it out there. I would

1:09:52

tweets and see if I

1:09:55

can get a response. and

1:09:57

see He chose a different

1:09:59

method. We can't go

1:10:01

back on that method. We

1:10:04

so I would probably vote

1:10:06

I would probably the case is

1:10:08

either either like. yeah thrown out thrown

1:10:10

out or it would

1:10:12

just be a not guilty

1:10:15

or like a yeah there's probably other ones

1:10:17

probably other ones they give

1:10:19

you on like that

1:10:21

piece of paper. I I

1:10:24

forget what all of them

1:10:26

are from and order,

1:10:28

but I'll just be like,

1:10:30

I'll just know, like yeah we know

1:10:32

we we find it we find man,

1:10:35

pretty messed up. This was

1:10:37

all messed up. So all

1:10:39

messed up so that's how I

1:10:41

see it. It's gonna be

1:10:44

the trial of the

1:10:46

century. of really will. Let's

1:10:48

be honest. will let's I mean,

1:10:50

can you imagine can you

1:10:52

that kid that kid had Blue

1:10:55

Shield? blue she's Oh

1:10:59

wait, that CEO that be like, like,

1:11:01

oh man. It is, you're right, united is terrible.

1:11:03

Sign right. is terrible. Blue Shield,

1:11:05

with Blue Cross, Blue

1:11:07

Shield month. my friends, Well, you

1:11:09

know what, my friends, these

1:11:12

are some of my favorite conversations to have with you

1:11:14

because we have no facts. Just feelings.

1:11:16

Just feelings, All all speculation. And if you have

1:11:18

listened to you have listened to this

1:11:20

entire conversation, I remember what I

1:11:22

told you at the beginning. None

1:11:25

of this is of this is true. None

1:11:27

of this is confirmed. of this None

1:11:29

of this is factual. Josh Christiana and Trevor Trevor

1:11:31

do not stand behind anything that

1:11:33

Josh, Christiana and Trevor have said. and

1:11:35

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