I think this is a great example of this kind of show "specific people talking about a specific thing". The audio quality is fine, the hosts are engaging, and the guests add to the overall conversation for sure.For me, I found myself neutral on this podcast because a show like this requires me to buy in on the hosts as personalities in order for me to feel interested in their opinions on the topics. I found myself looking at the timecode and thinking there is nothing about this show that connects to me enough to make me feel justified in listening to hour-long opinion episodes. If the episode length were halved it would instantly get another star back.