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1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,957 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:26,198 --> 00:00:31,202 a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and 3 00:00:31,222 --> 00:00:37,187 DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm 4 00:00:37,207 --> 00:00:43,192 his twin brother Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we are reviewing the latest direct-to-video 5 00:00:43,252 --> 00:00:49,798 DC animated film, part two of a three-part trilogy, Justice League, Crisis on Infinite Earths. 6 00:00:50,358 --> 00:00:55,098 Of course, it's based on a comic of the same name. Was it as good as part one? We'll let 7 00:00:55,118 --> 00:00:58,859 you know later on in the review. Before that we're going to break down the comic book movie 8 00:00:58,899 --> 00:01:04,902 news from the past week, of which it's all Marvel news. We got the Deadpool and Wolverine official 9 00:01:04,962 --> 00:01:10,984 trailer, and we also learned that Kraven the Hunter has been pushed back to December. As 10 00:01:11,064 --> 00:01:14,686 always we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the 11 00:01:14,706 --> 00:01:19,448 show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Guys our artificially intelligent duel 12 00:01:19,488 --> 00:01:27,207 simulator AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there. Do you love 13 00:01:27,247 --> 00:01:32,130 listening and chatting about Marvel and DC? Then become a part of the dynamic duel community 14 00:01:32,170 --> 00:01:37,714 on Patreon where you can choose from three tiers. The dynamic 2-0 tier lets you listen to this 15 00:01:37,754 --> 00:01:42,597 podcast without ads and gives you access to its Discord chat group where you can chat with 16 00:01:42,617 --> 00:01:47,741 Johnny DC and Marvelous Joe. 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Check it out at patreon.com slash dynamic duel. Pip pip cheerio. Thanks 25 00:02:31,546 --> 00:02:37,008 AJ 9k. And thanks to everyone who supports the podcast. Be sure guys to tune into the shows 26 00:02:37,048 --> 00:02:40,930 and the DynaMic podcast network this week, including Max Destruction, which pits your 27 00:02:40,950 --> 00:02:45,371 favorite action heroes from film and television against each other. This week, I believe hosts 28 00:02:45,431 --> 00:02:51,654 Ken and Scotty will pit Mad Max against Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China. Also 29 00:02:51,674 --> 00:02:56,415 make sure to check out the Sinjo World podcast, where host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights 30 00:02:56,455 --> 00:03:01,096 between fan favorite anime and manga characters. There's actually no episode coming out this 31 00:03:01,136 --> 00:03:07,338 Thursday, but if you like anime and manga, definitely check out his show. On the Console Combat podcast, 32 00:03:07,398 --> 00:03:11,399 hosts John and Dean find out who would win in fights between popular video game characters. 33 00:03:11,819 --> 00:03:16,761 In yesterday's episode, they found out who would win between Detective Nick Valentine from Fallout 34 00:03:16,781 --> 00:03:23,203 4 and Detective Cole Phelps from L.A. Noire. Visit dynamic podcasts dot com or click the 35 00:03:23,243 --> 00:03:28,165 link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the dynamic podcast network. And if 36 00:03:28,205 --> 00:03:33,287 you guys have ever been a fan of dynamic duel, you owe it to yourselves to check out the rankers 37 00:03:33,347 --> 00:03:38,429 podcast where you can listen to Jonathan and I take a more holistic approach in their latest 38 00:03:38,469 --> 00:03:43,251 episode to the Marvel versus DC debate. It was a whole lot of fun. I felt like it was a Marvel 39 00:03:43,291 --> 00:03:48,153 and DC debate that Jonathan and I had been prepping our entire lives for. So definitely check out 40 00:03:48,273 --> 00:03:52,931 the rankers podcast. In fact, you know, Marvel fans, if you have no interest in hearing a 41 00:03:52,971 --> 00:03:57,293 review about Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths, I'd go check out the Rankers podcast 42 00:03:57,313 --> 00:04:03,915 right now. Honestly, even if you're a DC fan, like that episode is better than Crisis on 43 00:04:03,975 --> 00:04:09,498 Infinite Earths, part two. I'm just going to say it's a five star episode. Crisis on Infinite 44 00:04:09,518 --> 00:04:14,900 Earths, part two is not five stars. Definitely check out the Rankers podcast. But with that 45 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:21,444 out of the way, quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award Marvel used to give out to 46 00:04:21,484 --> 00:04:26,789 fans. Our version, the Dynamic duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for 47 00:04:26,810 --> 00:04:31,174 the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week, we 48 00:04:31,334 --> 00:04:36,520 asked, what casting announcement for a Marvel or DC film were you the most hyped about when 49 00:04:36,540 --> 00:04:42,530 you first heard about it and why? And this is coming off of the lackluster news of... the 50 00:04:42,590 --> 00:04:46,873 Jonathan and Martha Kent casting in the Superman movie. But we thought it was a fun question. 51 00:04:46,913 --> 00:04:50,556 We got a lot of great answers. So let's go ahead and run down our honorable mentions as well 52 00:04:50,596 --> 00:04:56,821 as the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, What's 53 00:04:56,861 --> 00:05:02,246 up, Dynamic Dudes? Travis here. Shout out to my twins. So my pick would have to be Christian 54 00:05:02,266 --> 00:05:06,489 Bale. I mean, when I heard that Christian Bale was going to be gore to God butcher, I was 55 00:05:06,549 --> 00:05:12,958 excited. I was high. Granted, Christian Bale didn't look exactly like gore. go into comics 56 00:05:13,078 --> 00:05:17,801 and Love and Thunder was underwhelming to say the least. But come on, we have to admit we 57 00:05:17,821 --> 00:05:22,104 were all hyped when we heard Christian Bale as Gore the God Butcher. Yeah, I remember being 58 00:05:22,264 --> 00:05:27,507 thrilled because Christian Bale is such a fantastic actor and Gore the God Butcher is an equally 59 00:05:27,547 --> 00:05:32,570 fantastic villain for Thor. I thought the next Thor movie was going to be the next Batman 60 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:37,513 Begins or something like that. And that did not happen. We'll say that. Nope, nope, nope. 61 00:05:37,962 --> 00:05:43,824 No, honestly, I cannot admit that I was excited for Kushra Bell's casting. I felt horribly 62 00:05:43,925 --> 00:05:47,766 betrayed and heartbroken when I learned that he was in a Marvel movie. I was like, what 63 00:05:47,806 --> 00:05:53,329 are you doing? Well, DC had moved on from his Batman at that point, so it was only fitting 64 00:05:53,369 --> 00:05:57,111 that he comes over to Marvel's side. I just wish that the character of Gore would have 65 00:05:57,131 --> 00:06:01,293 been done more justice. Not that his portrayal of Gore was bad. It was just that the movie 66 00:06:01,333 --> 00:06:06,324 was so. off. If anything, Christian Bale was actually the best part of Thor 11th Thunder, 67 00:06:06,524 --> 00:06:11,467 but you know, being the best part of a turd sandwich is still not great. Yeah, he absolutely 68 00:06:11,507 --> 00:06:15,669 was the best part. But I do have to ask you, how would you feel if like, Toby Maguire came 69 00:06:15,729 --> 00:06:21,292 over to DC and played like Ted Kord or something? Toby Maguire is probably my least favorite 70 00:06:21,452 --> 00:06:27,616 Spider-Man actor, so I would not care. Okay, what if Hugh Jackman came over to DC and played, 71 00:06:27,636 --> 00:06:33,074 I don't know, Brainiac? Oh, that would be weird. I mean, he'd be so covered in prosthetics, 72 00:06:33,114 --> 00:06:38,176 I'd imagine that he'd be almost unrecognizable. I would be interested in seeing that, for sure. 73 00:06:38,596 --> 00:06:43,817 You only say that because you don't know what it's like to be heartbroken, like I do. Great 74 00:06:43,877 --> 00:06:50,039 answer, Travis. Our next honorable mention goes to Gilly Macho, who said, What up guys, Gilly 75 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:55,280 Macho here. And the announcement I was most excited for was Jon Berthold as the Punisher. 76 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,114 We've all seen Walking Dead, and I was a big fan of the Shane character. And when I heard 77 00:07:00,174 --> 00:07:06,156 he was coming to be the Punisher, you knew that Blood and Gore was coming with him. So yep, 78 00:07:06,697 --> 00:07:11,779 John Berthold as the Punisher. Yeah, I was thrilled by this news. I had watched the first season 79 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:16,461 of Walking Dead and that was my first exposure to the actor, John Bernthold. And when they 80 00:07:16,501 --> 00:07:22,023 announced his casting, I immediately was super hyped because even though I liked Ray Stevenson 81 00:07:22,203 --> 00:07:26,865 as the Punisher, who played the character most recently prior to this casting, John Bernthold. 82 00:07:27,474 --> 00:07:32,137 just felt more like Frank Castle to me. You know, he had that rage that he portrayed so 83 00:07:32,157 --> 00:07:37,661 well in The Walking Dead. And also he seemed more Italian, which The Punisher is. And it 84 00:07:37,681 --> 00:07:43,665 just felt perfect. Yeah. Like everything you've said, same, except I think I saw two seasons 85 00:07:43,705 --> 00:07:48,889 of The Walking Dead. John Bernthal was a fantastic actor. And yeah, I think in all of the fan 86 00:07:48,929 --> 00:07:54,673 castings for an upcoming Punisher film or television series, everyone was pushing him for the role, 87 00:07:54,733 --> 00:07:59,582 including me. Yeah, I'm really glad that he's coming back for the Daredevil born again series, 88 00:07:59,623 --> 00:08:03,864 or, you know, he's heavily rumored to appear again. I think he just captures the character 89 00:08:04,144 --> 00:08:09,125 on a deeper level than any previous Punisher actor has. For sure. Yeah, absolutely. Great 90 00:08:09,185 --> 00:08:15,507 answer, Gilly. Our next honorable mention goes to Judson Batty, who said, Hi guys, Judson 91 00:08:15,547 --> 00:08:20,788 Batty here. I would say that the casting decision I was most excited about was Pierce Brosnan 92 00:08:20,908 --> 00:08:25,714 as Dr. Fate in Black Adam, because I wasn't too hyped in the movie beforehand. But when 93 00:08:25,794 --> 00:08:31,559 they cast a James Bond actor who was really good, I knew that at the very least, no matter 94 00:08:31,579 --> 00:08:36,223 how shit the rest of the film turned out to be, Dr. Fate would be done well. And just really 95 00:08:36,243 --> 00:08:41,728 made me excited for it. Leave it to the Brits to say that a James Bond actor was the one 96 00:08:41,748 --> 00:08:45,891 they were the most excited for. But you know what? I am right there with you, man. I am 97 00:08:45,931 --> 00:08:49,855 a huge fan of James Bond as people who have listened to this podcast for a long time know. 98 00:08:50,375 --> 00:08:56,123 And I was just seething with jealous rage. when Pierce Brosnan was cast as Dr. Fate because 99 00:08:56,143 --> 00:09:01,545 DC also got Timothy Dalton to play the chief in the Doom Patrol television series and like 100 00:09:01,665 --> 00:09:06,887 I'm wondering when a Bond actor is going to join Marvel. Freaking never. I know that's 101 00:09:07,127 --> 00:09:11,469 so heartbreaking. At one point I believe Daniel Craig was going to play Baldur the Brave and 102 00:09:11,489 --> 00:09:17,491 he had to back out but hopefully they find a good role for Daniel Craig in a Marvel movie. 103 00:09:17,531 --> 00:09:23,838 He's still my fan cast choice for Despero if they ever do Despero in a DC movie. I'll take 104 00:09:23,858 --> 00:09:28,320 George Lazenby at this point too. I mean, Sean Connery is still alive and he's done LXG, so 105 00:09:28,901 --> 00:09:35,564 you think he'd be up for a Marvel movie? Oh, LXG, another DC imprint film. Damn it! Ha ha! 106 00:09:37,005 --> 00:09:40,847 Ugh, James Bond actors are breaking my heart over here. But in regards to Pierce Brosnan 107 00:09:41,247 --> 00:09:45,850 as Dr. Fate, yeah, I was super stoked when I heard this news as well. Pierce Brosnan is 108 00:09:45,970 --> 00:09:51,433 absolutely the kind of quality actor you'd want in a role that's sort of somewhat generic as 109 00:09:51,493 --> 00:09:56,407 Kent Nelson. He could really bring that character to life in a way that hasn't been done in the 110 00:09:56,427 --> 00:10:01,449 comics. Also, I knew his voice was going to be fantastic for the character of Dr. Fate, 111 00:10:01,890 --> 00:10:07,612 and I was not wrong. He was awesome. Yeah, Pierce Brosnan delivered on the hype for him in the 112 00:10:07,652 --> 00:10:11,894 role. I think the movie gets undeserved flak because I thought it was pretty entertaining 113 00:10:11,934 --> 00:10:17,876 overall. And I was definitely pleased with Pierce as Dr. Fate. It's actually a shame that he 114 00:10:17,896 --> 00:10:21,886 won't be playing the character anymore, I think. Yeah, well, I mean... For two reasons, one 115 00:10:21,926 --> 00:10:27,489 because the character died in the movie and also because the DCEU is over. But Gilly's 116 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:33,813 brother Scotty also gave Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate for his answer. So shout out to Scotty. 117 00:10:33,833 --> 00:10:38,656 I thought that was kind of coincidental too. Yeah, out of all the casting people just really 118 00:10:38,696 --> 00:10:44,680 love Pierce Brosnan. Yeah, who doesn't? But the winner of this week's No Prize is Colby 119 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:51,448 Hentges who said, Hey boys, Colby Hentges. The Marvel DC casting I was most hyped for was 120 00:10:51,568 --> 00:10:57,613 Ryan Reynolds as Wade Wilson. He had done the van Wilder and the waiting movie. So I knew 121 00:10:57,633 --> 00:11:02,116 he could do the sophomore humor stuff. He did the blade Trinity. So I knew he could do the 122 00:11:02,156 --> 00:11:07,820 comic book action stuff. You guys, I went into Wolverine origins. So hype. 123 00:11:13,227 --> 00:11:18,311 Only to be let down so much, at least in that film. Yeah, so hyped and then so disappointed. 124 00:11:18,512 --> 00:11:23,316 X-Men Origins Wolverine was horrible and they really fucked up the character of Deadpool. 125 00:11:23,616 --> 00:11:28,941 So it was really nice when seven years later, Ryan Weld's got the chance to do the character 126 00:11:28,981 --> 00:11:33,526 justice in his own movie. He's pretty much the perfect casting and he's a fan of the character. 127 00:11:33,806 --> 00:11:40,051 He exemplifies Deadpool to a T. It's actually hard to imagine. Deadpool now without Ryan 128 00:11:40,071 --> 00:11:44,415 Reynolds voice. I think when I read Deadpool comics nowadays He just so embodies the character 129 00:11:44,735 --> 00:11:49,359 in a way that few actors are able to do You know Robert Downey Jr. Did it Hugh Jackman 130 00:11:49,379 --> 00:11:54,103 did it and I think you could add Ryan Reynolds to that list And now that the MCU has lost 131 00:11:54,403 --> 00:11:59,888 some of their a-list talents like Robert Downey Jr I really think that Ryan Reynolds is the 132 00:11:59,928 --> 00:12:05,332 biggest name that the MCU currently has in their acting roster So I'm glad that he's able to 133 00:12:05,432 --> 00:12:10,816 pick up some of the slack with this year's Deadpool and Wolverine movie. That's true, actually. 134 00:12:11,357 --> 00:12:16,000 Yeah, I wonder if one of the reasons that Marvel isn't drawing as big of audiences as they used 135 00:12:16,020 --> 00:12:21,103 to is just the lack of star power. It's possible. An actor like Robert Downey Jr. can draw a 136 00:12:21,143 --> 00:12:25,346 crowd on his own. And nowadays that kind of pool just doesn't exist quite like it used 137 00:12:25,366 --> 00:12:30,149 to. Which is interesting because some people accuse Marvel of killing off the movie star. 138 00:12:30,658 --> 00:12:34,600 People were caring more about the characters as opposed to the actors playing them. But 139 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:39,622 yeah, maybe now actors matter more than people realize. So great answer Colby, you win this 140 00:12:39,642 --> 00:12:43,684 week's No Prize. Congrats on that. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No 141 00:12:43,724 --> 00:12:48,167 Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. 142 00:12:48,647 --> 00:12:50,948 And now that that's done, onto the news! 143 00:12:56,470 --> 00:13:02,674 All right, this past week we got the trailer for Deadpool and Wolverine. And while the first 144 00:13:02,814 --> 00:13:08,178 teaser focused more on Deadpool and the TVA and kind of set up the situation that he would 145 00:13:08,198 --> 00:13:13,542 be going through, they only really teased that shot of Wolverine in the shadows as he stabbed 146 00:13:13,642 --> 00:13:17,425 Deadpool at the end of the teaser. We didn't get a whole lot of Wolverine action in that 147 00:13:17,465 --> 00:13:23,789 first preview. But in this trailer, they really build upon the Deadpool and Wolverine relationship. 148 00:13:24,286 --> 00:13:28,849 Oh, yeah, this trailer is almost entirely all Wolverine, which is fitting considering, you 149 00:13:28,869 --> 00:13:34,134 know, Wolverine shares the title with Deadpool. So I'm not surprised that they dedicated a 150 00:13:34,174 --> 00:13:40,840 trailer mostly to him. Like, there's very few Deadpool jokes in this trailer. Right. Yeah. 151 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:47,165 So it wasn't as funny, but I think it's just so hype inducing to see Hugh Jackman back in 152 00:13:47,185 --> 00:13:51,969 the role, especially in that comics. Accurate costume. Yeah, I was actually pretty happy 153 00:13:52,009 --> 00:13:56,578 to see him. with no sleeves, because I didn't love the yellow sleeves when we first got like 154 00:13:56,598 --> 00:14:01,143 the set photos. But yeah, I'm glad to see that. I'm just wondering if we're going to get to 155 00:14:01,163 --> 00:14:05,568 see the mask before the movie comes out or if they're going to make us pay to see it. Oh, 156 00:14:05,588 --> 00:14:10,513 they're probably going to make us pay to see the mask for sure. The trailer starts off with. 157 00:14:10,954 --> 00:14:15,356 Wolverine in a bar similar to when we very first saw the character in the first X-Men movie 158 00:14:15,376 --> 00:14:19,518 that came out in the year 2000, which I thought was pretty fitting. And it was just so jarring 159 00:14:19,538 --> 00:14:23,180 to all of a sudden see Deadpool's stupid face pop in the shot. And he's like, hey, Peanut, 160 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,423 that was pretty good. And Wolverine's like, lady, I don't have time for this. Started out 161 00:14:27,443 --> 00:14:31,865 with a bang. But then the trailer kind of goes into dark territory because we see that this 162 00:14:31,945 --> 00:14:36,267 particular variant of Wolverine, I'm not sure if it's the same Wolverine that was in the 163 00:14:36,347 --> 00:14:41,622 Logan movie or if it's a different multiversal version of the character, but Basically, it 164 00:14:41,662 --> 00:14:49,386 seems like he let his entire universe down somehow by letting the X-Men die. Now, we see a shot 165 00:14:49,546 --> 00:14:56,249 of this version of Wolverine standing, I think, next to a bunch of tall monuments, maybe tombstones. 166 00:14:56,289 --> 00:15:00,911 They kind of look like some of the Sentinel ships from the Days of Future Past movie. So 167 00:15:00,971 --> 00:15:06,854 it could be like a Sentinel situation that killed all of his friends in the X-Men or If it's 168 00:15:06,894 --> 00:15:11,896 the same version of Wolverine from the Logan movie, then it was actually Professor X who 169 00:15:11,956 --> 00:15:16,959 had like a seizure and killed the rest of the X-Men. It's hard to say. I'm inclined to believe 170 00:15:16,979 --> 00:15:21,202 that this is not the Logan version just because it wasn't Wolverine's fault that the X-Men 171 00:15:21,262 --> 00:15:26,444 died in that movie. Well, they can make it Wolverine's reason that Professor X perhaps had the seizure. 172 00:15:26,905 --> 00:15:31,307 Like he failed to get his medication on time or, you know, something like that. Something 173 00:15:31,347 --> 00:15:36,298 like that, yeah. I am inclined to think it's the Logan version only because He suffered 174 00:15:36,338 --> 00:15:43,001 from the same like claw ejection problem that Rogan had in that movie. Yeah, he had ejectile 175 00:15:43,021 --> 00:15:49,303 dysfunction. Right. Yeah. He doesn't later on in the trailer, though. And it is glorious 176 00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:54,906 to actually see those claws pop out of his blue gloved hand with those like little metallic 177 00:15:54,966 --> 00:15:59,128 slits, mirrors, knuckles. It's glorious. Yeah. Just think him take swipes to Deadpool, which 178 00:15:59,188 --> 00:16:03,089 actually, I guess, is an Easter egg call out to the first Spider-Man movie. There's quite 179 00:16:03,109 --> 00:16:09,393 a few. Easter eggs in this trailer, like there was dog pool and Ant-Man's or Giant Man's helmet. 180 00:16:09,853 --> 00:16:15,937 It took me a few viewings to catch quite a few of them because everything happens so fast. 181 00:16:16,417 --> 00:16:21,340 Oh yeah, there's a huge cast of characters in this from, you know, Lady Deathstrike, Zazel, 182 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:26,964 we see Callisto from X-Men 3. There's a ton of characters here, both from the Fox X-Men 183 00:16:26,984 --> 00:16:32,747 franchise and, you know, with Ant-Man from the MCU. We even see the guys jump from Ant-Man's 184 00:16:32,767 --> 00:16:37,369 skull into a Dr. Strange portal. So it's possible that Dr. Strange is even in this movie, which 185 00:16:37,409 --> 00:16:42,592 would be wild to see. That moment when they're jumping out of the eye into the portal with 186 00:16:42,712 --> 00:16:47,195 Madonna's like a prayer playing, like I got chills. Like I just, I cannot wait to see this 187 00:16:47,695 --> 00:16:51,978 in the theater. I'm so pumped. I hope it's not Dr. Strange that makes a cameo. I hope it's 188 00:16:52,038 --> 00:16:59,041 Wong's friend Madison, who like got his sling ring. I hope it's Wong, now that you said that. 189 00:16:59,598 --> 00:17:04,079 I think that'd be hilarious. It probably will be the guys everywhere in this phase. He's 190 00:17:04,099 --> 00:17:09,280 made a lot of cameos like She Hulk, Shang Chi for sure. The movie comes out in theaters July 191 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,362 26th, and all I have to say is, let's fucking go, let's fucking go. Did this trailer sell 192 00:17:14,382 --> 00:17:18,683 you on the movie? Like, do you want to see another trailer after this? Yes, I would love another 193 00:17:18,723 --> 00:17:23,844 trailer, actually. Although I don't need one. I just kind of want some more context into 194 00:17:23,884 --> 00:17:26,885 what the movie is about, because I feel like we haven't really gotten that too much yet. 195 00:17:27,205 --> 00:17:31,727 Yeah. I didn't like this trailer as much as the first one, so yeah, I'm still hoping to 196 00:17:31,767 --> 00:17:37,050 get one that really merges the humor of Deadpool with the action of Wolverine. More so than 197 00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:41,512 either of these two trailers did. I'm sure we will get another trailer after this, and I'm 198 00:17:41,532 --> 00:17:46,074 sure it'll be more of a story trailer. Yeah, that'd be cool. Maybe something more with Cassandra 199 00:17:46,094 --> 00:17:50,836 Nova. She was cool to see in this trailer as well. Yeah, she looks like she's gonna be pretty 200 00:17:50,856 --> 00:17:56,303 formidable. You know, being Professor X's sister. But speaking of all these different characters 201 00:17:56,323 --> 00:18:00,515 that appeared in the Deadpool and Wolverine trailer that brings us to our question of the 202 00:18:00,555 --> 00:18:00,816 week. 203 00:18:05,362 --> 00:18:11,268 Other than Wolverine and the characters that you saw in the trailer, what Fox X-Men character 204 00:18:11,308 --> 00:18:16,453 do you most hope appears in Deadpool and Wolverine and why? There's a lot to choose from, both 205 00:18:16,493 --> 00:18:21,978 from the Patrick Stewart Ian McKellen era, the James McAvoy Michael Fassbender era, the previous 206 00:18:22,018 --> 00:18:27,624 Deadpool movies, the Wolverine movies, the new Mutants movie, there's a lot going on here, 207 00:18:27,684 --> 00:18:32,054 so who do you guys want to see most? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking 208 00:18:32,095 --> 00:18:36,116 on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt 209 00:18:36,136 --> 00:18:40,438 you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget 210 00:18:40,458 --> 00:18:44,720 to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer 211 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:49,662 and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer 212 00:18:49,702 --> 00:18:56,104 before May 4th. In other news, we learned this past week that Craven the Hunter, the movie 213 00:18:56,164 --> 00:19:01,394 being produced by Sony in the Sony Spider-Man universe, has been pushed back from August 214 00:19:01,534 --> 00:19:08,637 30th, 2024 to December 13th, 2024. So it's no longer a summer release. It's now a Christmas 215 00:19:08,677 --> 00:19:14,360 time release. And I think if they just keep pushing this movie back, that would be the 216 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,622 best thing for everyone. I mean, this is its fourth release date, right? I think so. Yeah, 217 00:19:19,642 --> 00:19:24,464 it's been pushed back quite a bit. I know initially it was supposed to come out for October of 218 00:19:24,504 --> 00:19:29,866 2023. But then I think the studio wanted to have Aaron Taylor Johnson promote it. and he 219 00:19:29,906 --> 00:19:34,747 couldn't due to the strike at the time. So yeah, they pushed it back to this year and it just 220 00:19:34,767 --> 00:19:39,928 keeps getting pushed back. Honestly, I wasn't surprised by this pushback. This fall seems 221 00:19:39,968 --> 00:19:45,310 kind of crowded for comic book films and there really isn't anything comic book related being 222 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:50,051 released in December, which tends to be a good money making month. I just don't know about 223 00:19:50,491 --> 00:19:54,472 this film making money during the holiday season because it looks like it's gonna be kind of 224 00:19:54,532 --> 00:20:00,607 violent. Yeah, but that might be the best thing about it, honestly. because as Sony has shown 225 00:20:00,707 --> 00:20:06,991 us with recent releases like Madame Web and Morbius and Let There Be Carnage, the studio 226 00:20:07,011 --> 00:20:12,295 is just not really great at making the Spider-Man spinoff movies and it doesn't seem like they're 227 00:20:12,315 --> 00:20:15,797 really going anywhere. At first, Sony was really pushing the idea of all these movies being 228 00:20:15,897 --> 00:20:19,900 interconnected and they kind of backpedaled on that, especially since the release of Madame 229 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:25,644 Web and stated like oh, this is kind of like in its own separate standalone universe thing 230 00:20:26,004 --> 00:20:29,930 because really nobody's liking these movies. And if they say that they're all connected, 231 00:20:30,251 --> 00:20:34,873 people are even less inclined to go see them. Wait, so you're telling me that we're not going 232 00:20:34,893 --> 00:20:41,057 to see Morbius and Vulture and Craven and everyone team up? It's looking like that's likely not 233 00:20:41,077 --> 00:20:45,980 going to be the case. That's embarrassing. I feel bad for Sony. Holy cow. I feel bad for 234 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:50,622 Sony, too. Not really, though. They kind of shut the bed and they should be forced to sleep 235 00:20:50,642 --> 00:20:55,085 in it now. Yeah. And then eventually just give the Spider-Man rights back to Marvel. That's 236 00:20:55,105 --> 00:20:59,696 what we want to see, right? Very true. I have very little hope for this movie, which is a 237 00:20:59,776 --> 00:21:03,860 shame because I am a big fan of the character of Craven the Hunter. If you want to learn 238 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,843 more about him, if you haven't read about him in the comics, go ahead and check out our Vixen 239 00:21:07,883 --> 00:21:13,488 vs Craven the Hunter duel episode. But speaking of James Bond earlier, the rumor is that Aaron 240 00:21:13,508 --> 00:21:17,772 Taylor Johnson is going to be the next James Bond. So part of me kind of hopes that Craven 241 00:21:17,792 --> 00:21:21,555 the Hunter does really well at the box office so that he doesn't lose that chance because 242 00:21:21,595 --> 00:21:26,730 I do think that Aaron Taylor Johnson would make a good Bond. but if this movie bombs, he might 243 00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:30,811 be seen as box office poison. I don't know. I don't know if I buy him his Bond. I think 244 00:21:30,831 --> 00:21:35,132 he's too short. You know who should be Bond? Theo James. I was talking about this with a 245 00:21:35,152 --> 00:21:41,014 guy at work. Theo James should be Bond. Fuck no! That James Franco lookalike guy? What? 246 00:21:41,594 --> 00:21:47,216 I don't like it. Plus, he's like already 40 years old. It wouldn't work. Isn't Aaron Taylor 247 00:21:47,256 --> 00:21:56,251 Johnson like close to 40? No, he's 33. Fuck! Why do I feel so old? Anyway, off the topic 248 00:21:56,271 --> 00:22:00,876 of James Bond, I guess ultimately I'm pushing for Craven the Hunter to do well and be good. 249 00:22:01,356 --> 00:22:02,457 It's not, don't worry about it. 250 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:14,117 But I guess that does it for all the news for this week. So let's move on to the main event 251 00:22:14,157 --> 00:22:20,267 of this episode where we review the animated film Justice League, Crisis on Infinite Earths 252 00:22:20,568 --> 00:22:21,189 Part 2. 253 00:22:36,822 --> 00:22:43,007 Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 2 is the second of a 3-part animated film saga 254 00:22:43,287 --> 00:22:50,953 that itself is the conclusion of a 10-part animated film universe known as the Tomorrowverse. Though 255 00:22:50,993 --> 00:22:56,518 the Crisis trilogy actually has ties going back to the previous DC animated movie universe 256 00:22:56,758 --> 00:23:04,544 that began with Justice League The Flashpoint Paradox in 2013. Now the DC AMU had a phenomenal 257 00:23:04,644 --> 00:23:10,167 and heartbreaking ending. in the animated film Justice League Dark Apocalypse War, which we 258 00:23:10,187 --> 00:23:15,970 gave a 5 star review, despite the fact that its ending was somewhat ambiguous. Considering 259 00:23:16,030 --> 00:23:22,053 that it could be argued the Crisis on Infinite Earth trilogy is 11 years in the making and 260 00:23:22,073 --> 00:23:27,155 there are some rumors it will lead straight into James Gunn's new DC universe that includes 261 00:23:27,235 --> 00:23:33,350 animated films, I feel like I should be a whole hell of a lot more excited about Crisis. But 262 00:23:33,390 --> 00:23:38,171 it's really hard to be considering the way the producers have structured the stories. And 263 00:23:38,211 --> 00:23:43,833 make no mistake, there is a structure, as you can now see easter eggs across the Tomorrowverse 264 00:23:43,873 --> 00:23:51,095 films and even some DC animated shorts. But so far, the whole is the sum of its parts, 265 00:23:51,175 --> 00:23:56,597 and if you've been following our reviews of the Tomorrowverse films, despite a few exceptions, 266 00:23:56,957 --> 00:24:02,415 the parts aren't that great. and are only marginally made better by the story reveals that come 267 00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:09,477 perhaps too little too late. Now, I don't want to spoil those reveals for anyone, so if you 268 00:24:09,517 --> 00:24:14,398 haven't seen Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 2, well, I'm guessing you haven't seen Part 269 00:24:14,538 --> 00:24:19,039 1 either, and maybe you're just waiting until Part 3 comes out later this year to hear whether 270 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:24,961 the whole thing is worth investing your time. I can't really say Part 2 is worth your time 271 00:24:25,301 --> 00:24:30,524 because it feels very much like a mere stepping stone to get to part three. It's just something 272 00:24:30,544 --> 00:24:35,708 you kind of have to get through. And honestly, I really wish that wasn't the case. Yeah, my 273 00:24:35,748 --> 00:24:41,492 first impression after seeing Crisis on Infinite Earths part two was that the story seemed to 274 00:24:41,552 --> 00:24:46,816 kind of be treading water as we went into the third part. The first movie I thought was really 275 00:24:46,856 --> 00:24:51,540 interesting from a narrative perspective with the Flash kind of skipping through time. The 276 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:57,107 second movie also did a lot of time skipping. So it seems to be kind of like a theme within 277 00:24:57,167 --> 00:25:03,351 this trilogy of films to not tell the story linearly. It just kind of makes everything 278 00:25:03,511 --> 00:25:08,753 a little bit disjointed and hard to follow and not as enjoyable as it necessarily could be. 279 00:25:09,214 --> 00:25:15,217 Well, yeah, the time skipping in this film happened only in the first half of it. After that, everything 280 00:25:15,337 --> 00:25:20,220 was pretty much happening in real time or not real time, but in the present, I should say. 281 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,775 I really wanted to like this movie because like you, I really liked part one, again despite 282 00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:32,001 its unconventional story structure. The second film in a lot of trilogies is arguably the 283 00:25:32,041 --> 00:25:38,746 best. You know, the Dark Knight, Empire Strikes Back, The Two Towers is perfection. This film, 284 00:25:39,247 --> 00:25:44,691 not so much. You forgot Spider-Man 2 and X-Men 2. Hey, you know, that's also valid. But this 285 00:25:44,731 --> 00:25:50,416 film is not better than the first one, though due to the hit or miss nature of the Tomorrowverse, 286 00:25:50,876 --> 00:25:56,427 I shouldn't be surprised. It is very much the second act of a three-part story, though the 287 00:25:56,467 --> 00:26:02,750 second act is supposed to be the most exciting act as it ramps up to the climax. Narratively, 288 00:26:03,070 --> 00:26:09,093 you set up the conflict in Act 1, in Act 2 the conflict escalates until it reaches its maximum 289 00:26:09,133 --> 00:26:15,436 potential, and Act 3 is a come down from that high where order is restored. Now obviously 290 00:26:15,456 --> 00:26:20,854 in the trilogy, conflict and action will continue into the third film. but I feel like this film 291 00:26:20,874 --> 00:26:25,757 didn't pack enough of a punch to get me excited for the third one. And I honestly have a hard 292 00:26:25,797 --> 00:26:32,261 time reconciling why that is. I mean, the main characters in this film were legitimately interesting, 293 00:26:32,421 --> 00:26:38,344 I felt. Supergirl, Monitor, Psycho Pirate were my favorite parts of the film. Like, I found 294 00:26:38,404 --> 00:26:43,567 Supergirl way more interesting in this film than I did in Legion of Superheroes. And the 295 00:26:43,607 --> 00:26:49,299 central theme of how emotions develop in us and affect us was fairly strong throughout 296 00:26:49,339 --> 00:26:54,963 the movie. It was just everything with the other heroes and around the towers that I felt dragged 297 00:26:55,023 --> 00:27:00,667 the film down. Like I hated what they did with Batman here. He didn't learn any kind of lesson 298 00:27:00,707 --> 00:27:06,532 about teamwork or camaraderie or family, and he should have by the end. Like the cameos 299 00:27:06,552 --> 00:27:12,696 they had, like Batman Beyond, Commandy, John Constantine, were all so small and didn't amount 300 00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:17,508 to much, if anything at all. The film just didn't know how to juggle its characters in a way 301 00:27:17,548 --> 00:27:22,852 that was as satisfying as the strong single narrative focus that they had with The Flash 302 00:27:22,892 --> 00:27:28,977 in Part 1, or the character ensemble that was, say, Avengers Infinity War. Or Justice League 303 00:27:28,997 --> 00:27:33,801 Dark Apocalypse War. That movie, I think, had a huge cast, just as large as this one, but 304 00:27:33,821 --> 00:27:39,285 it just juggled everything better. Yeah, absolutely. Another problem with the film, I feel, were 305 00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:44,506 the stakes. Like in the first film, you really felt the threat of the end of the world. a 306 00:27:44,606 --> 00:27:50,050 lot more than he did here, I feel. Like, any time there was an antimatter wave that passed 307 00:27:50,150 --> 00:27:55,655 over, the threat was pretty much non-existent for the most part. Yeah, I was never really 308 00:27:55,715 --> 00:27:59,538 nervous for any of the worlds and, you know, I knew that there were just so many Earths 309 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:03,921 that the characters could regroup at. No one single Earth mattered compared to the whole 310 00:28:03,961 --> 00:28:08,305 of the multiverse, you know? So, the movie's premise kind of works against itself in that 311 00:28:08,505 --> 00:28:13,843 regard. But really, this movie seems to be more of a character study than anything else, really 312 00:28:13,883 --> 00:28:18,824 focusing on, you know, Supergirl, Psycho Pirate, and the Monitor. Yeah, and I feel like that's 313 00:28:18,984 --> 00:28:25,846 not a great approach for a massive epic event film. I mean, it's not like in the comic book 314 00:28:25,886 --> 00:28:30,067 Crisis on Infinite Earths, we got backstories for like Psycho Pirate or anything like that. 315 00:28:30,567 --> 00:28:34,508 I don't know if it was the right approach here. It's interesting, for sure, but it doesn't 316 00:28:34,528 --> 00:28:40,434 really lend itself to epic storytelling, I guess. Yeah. If anything, the character studies take 317 00:28:40,494 --> 00:28:44,957 away from the overarching narrative that you would expect in a big, multiversal crossover 318 00:28:44,997 --> 00:28:50,220 event. Absolutely, absolutely. Now, I liked this film. I'm ragging on it, but it wasn't 319 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:56,664 terrible. It doesn't get me excited for part three, but it is, as I mentioned earlier, a 320 00:28:56,724 --> 00:29:02,287 stepping stone to get there. So it's something. Outside of that, I don't have much to say about 321 00:29:02,327 --> 00:29:07,322 the film that I haven't said about part one and other Tomorrowverse films. You know. The 322 00:29:07,342 --> 00:29:12,164 first act premises are strong, but the story does always stick the landing. The voice acting 323 00:29:12,224 --> 00:29:17,827 is great. The character designs are great. The animation can be a little bit sticky. Right. 324 00:29:17,907 --> 00:29:22,910 But yeah, if you've listened to our reviews of DC animated films recently, you've heard 325 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:27,573 it all before. Let's go ahead and talk about the main characters in the movie in our character 326 00:29:27,613 --> 00:29:34,437 breakdown, starting with Supergirl slash Kara Zor-El. Now, Meg Donnelly does a fantastic 327 00:29:34,497 --> 00:29:41,446 job voicing Supergirl. I was really rooting for her to play Supergirl in James Gunn's DCU, 328 00:29:41,906 --> 00:29:47,931 but she lost out to Milly Alcock and I'm not gonna lie, I was disappointed. Yeah, the actress 329 00:29:47,951 --> 00:29:52,094 was great in the Legion of Superheroes movie, which is really more of a Supergirl movie, 330 00:29:52,495 --> 00:29:57,359 and she was great here. I think she brings a lot of emotional weight to the character, just 331 00:29:57,399 --> 00:30:01,602 like she did in the Legion of Superheroes animated movie, which was not a great film, but she 332 00:30:01,622 --> 00:30:07,450 was definitely the best part of that, I think. Yeah, I agree. We learn that immediately after 333 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:13,253 Krypton's destruction, Supergirl was begrudgingly rescued by the Monitor, who had observed the 334 00:30:13,313 --> 00:30:19,755 death of the planet. Supergirl, suffering from amnesia, was raised by the Monitor for timeless 335 00:30:19,796 --> 00:30:24,878 decades before she realized that he knew about what happened to her homeworld, at which point 336 00:30:24,898 --> 00:30:30,740 she left him due to his apathy. Despite him later imparting some of his power to her in 337 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,699 order for her to gather an army to protect the multiverse, Her distrust and anger toward the 338 00:30:35,739 --> 00:30:41,403 monitor continued to grow, allowing Psycho Pyre to manipulate her to where she ultimately kills 339 00:30:41,423 --> 00:30:47,647 the monitor. Her arc revolves around loss, you could say. The loss of her mom, loss of her 340 00:30:47,747 --> 00:30:54,191 world, loss of time with her cousin, loss of the Legion, and ultimately a loss of control 341 00:30:54,291 --> 00:30:58,994 over everything that's happening in her life and the universe. and all of that feeling of 342 00:30:59,054 --> 00:31:05,015 loss results in her ultimately losing a father figure at her own hands. It's pretty tragic. 343 00:31:05,376 --> 00:31:08,817 For sure, yeah. Everything that Supergirl has gone through has been quite heartbreaking. 344 00:31:09,037 --> 00:31:13,258 I guess I am a little bit confused though what happened when the monitor imparted some of 345 00:31:13,298 --> 00:31:18,279 his power onto her. I thought that was going to transform her into Harbinger. It did transform 346 00:31:18,339 --> 00:31:23,301 her into Harbinger. She could just go in and out of her Harbinger mode when she's traversing 347 00:31:23,321 --> 00:31:27,666 the multiverse. Actually, that's one of the more interesting changes they d- made to the 348 00:31:27,706 --> 00:31:33,251 crisis story because in the comic harbinger is Lila Michaels a separate character from 349 00:31:33,311 --> 00:31:39,415 Supergirl and Lila does end up being manipulated by the anti-monitor into killing the monitor 350 00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:45,640 in the comics but here the way they sort of wrote around that and having Supergirl angry 351 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,485 at monitor and blaming him for things like the destruction of Krypton it was really well written 352 00:31:51,765 --> 00:31:56,816 I thought. Yeah, the movie is able to kind of retcon and streamline the crisis on Infinite 353 00:31:56,876 --> 00:32:00,338 Earth's movie in a really interesting way. For sure. That's probably the best thing about 354 00:32:00,378 --> 00:32:05,621 it. Even though the execution isn't always successful, you have to admire the approach. With almost 355 00:32:05,781 --> 00:32:10,884 every film in the Tomorrowverse, you could say that. Yeah, yeah. It's like everything sounds 356 00:32:10,924 --> 00:32:15,086 good on paper, and then somewhere it just gets botched along the way, which is unfortunate, 357 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:19,069 because it's like the Tomorrowverse should be so much better than it is. It really should 358 00:32:19,109 --> 00:32:25,947 be. It really should be. Moving on to Monitor aka MaruNoVu, he was voiced by Jonathan Adams, 359 00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:32,189 who delivers a very understated performance, appropriately so. I thought he was perfect 360 00:32:32,309 --> 00:32:37,370 in this role. And the guy apparently has a lot of experience playing god-like characters. 361 00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:44,152 Like he's voiced Darkseid, Galactus, Dormammu, King the Conqueror. He's just a fantastic voice 362 00:32:44,212 --> 00:32:50,822 actor. What a badass. Totally, right? What a resume. Now the Monitor's arc revolves around 363 00:32:50,982 --> 00:32:57,045 Supergirl and the feelings he develops not just for her, but life in the multiverse as a whole, 364 00:32:57,185 --> 00:33:03,928 because of her, enter inspirations and criticisms that spur him to reject his calling and take 365 00:33:04,088 --> 00:33:09,350 action to protect everything. He assumes the antimatter waves bombarding the multiverse 366 00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:15,333 are a natural phenomena, but by the end he learns that not only are they coming from a specific 367 00:33:15,393 --> 00:33:21,985 individuel, the Anti-Monitor, but that everything that has transpired is perhaps his fault. I 368 00:33:22,025 --> 00:33:27,349 imagine the next film will get a flashback as to why the anti-monitor hates the monitor, 369 00:33:27,790 --> 00:33:33,154 and I'm really curious to see how much influence recent comics like The Dark Side War or Dark 370 00:33:33,174 --> 00:33:40,380 Knight's Metal will have on the story. Why does DC feel the need to rip off Marvel and characters 371 00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:45,844 like The Watcher with like this enigmatic race of beings who are sworn only to observe and 372 00:33:45,924 --> 00:33:50,408 not interfere with the cosmic level events. The fuck's that about? That's straight from 373 00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:55,832 the Crisis comic. And? All right, let's find out who came first. Obviously, the Watcher 374 00:33:55,852 --> 00:34:01,556 came first. He came out in the 60s. Crisis was an 80s book. Be more original is what I guess. 375 00:34:01,576 --> 00:34:07,800 Yeah, I guess he came out in 1982. Damn it. But I mean, he just looks cooler, you know? 376 00:34:08,241 --> 00:34:15,522 Like, what's with the giant bald head of the Watcher? Weird. Looks like a big baby. What 377 00:34:15,542 --> 00:34:20,706 do you think it is that Monitor ended up developing empathy? I think it was because he was never 378 00:34:20,806 --> 00:34:26,430 as close to anyone as he was to Supergirl. He always tried to keep his distance. But because 379 00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:32,836 of satellite's actions, his sentient spaceship as it were, he was forced into a position where 380 00:34:32,896 --> 00:34:39,281 he either cared for this young woman that was rescued or he just callously eject her back 381 00:34:39,321 --> 00:34:44,885 out into space. I don't think he liked the idea of her death because he was more aware of her 382 00:34:44,945 --> 00:34:50,348 individuel existence compared to the nameless victims of Krypton. And I think he just developed 383 00:34:50,448 --> 00:34:55,352 what is it called, propinquity. You know, where you develop feelings for the people you are 384 00:34:55,392 --> 00:35:01,576 closest in proximity to. I think it's as simple as that. Moving on to Psycho Pirate, aka Charles 385 00:35:01,616 --> 00:35:08,841 Halsted. He was voiced by Jeffrey Arren. And I know this guy. He was in 500 Days of Summer. 386 00:35:09,174 --> 00:35:14,715 He was in the Ringer, in Garden State, in a bunch of TV shows. I did not know he did voice 387 00:35:14,795 --> 00:35:19,917 acting and he did a fantastic job with Psycho Pirate, though, you know, based on his history, 388 00:35:19,937 --> 00:35:25,538 he probably should have had an English accent. But that aside, yeah, Jeffrey Arendt, great 389 00:35:25,578 --> 00:35:31,000 voice. His voice, I have to say, is pretty damn haunting. Like, I think out of all the main 390 00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:36,541 characters in this movie, he was the most interesting every time he was talking about his backstory 391 00:35:36,561 --> 00:35:41,411 or just speaking in general. I was pretty much hooked. Oh yeah, it was really interesting. 392 00:35:41,792 --> 00:35:46,774 What I found most interesting early on was that they didn't go with the Roger Hayden version 393 00:35:46,874 --> 00:35:51,317 of the character, like the one I talked about in our last episode. They went with Charles 394 00:35:51,377 --> 00:35:57,380 Halstead, who they not only made a metahuman empath, you know, removing any reference to 395 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:04,544 the Medusa mask, but they also made him a multiversal entity who's gone by names such as Dr. Spectro 396 00:36:04,844 --> 00:36:10,315 or Rainbow Raider in different universes. Which was hilarious because we saw Dr. Spectro in 397 00:36:10,335 --> 00:36:15,078 the Blue Beetle animated short that ties into this film and he's playing with people's emotions. 398 00:36:15,398 --> 00:36:20,160 Yeah, that was interesting. It also serves to solve one of the questions that you and I had 399 00:36:20,501 --> 00:36:24,943 regarding the Justice Society World War II movie. Because I remember we were bitching in that 400 00:36:24,983 --> 00:36:30,446 movie about why Psycho Pirate didn't have his Medusa mask and how like the Medusa mask would 401 00:36:30,466 --> 00:36:34,788 have made a great artifact MacGuffin for that film and everything like that. But yeah, this 402 00:36:34,888 --> 00:36:39,586 version of the character never used the Medusa mask. all his empathic abilities were due to 403 00:36:39,646 --> 00:36:44,908 his metahuman nature. Dude, so I was listening to our review of Justice Society World War 404 00:36:44,928 --> 00:36:52,770 Two in lead up to writing this review, and we were so wrong about so many things. Like, not 405 00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:57,031 only were we bitching about a psycho pirate, we were bitching about Wonder Woman and how 406 00:36:57,051 --> 00:37:02,633 she'll probably never be seen in another movie again. It was just so many things. Well, like, 407 00:37:02,773 --> 00:37:07,595 how are we supposed to know? We weren't we weren't. But because Justice Society World War Two took 408 00:37:07,615 --> 00:37:13,580 place in another timeline and we weren't sure how that would fold into like the main tomorrow 409 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:18,324 versus timeline. But as it turns out, there really isn't a main tomorrow versus timeline. 410 00:37:18,344 --> 00:37:22,948 You could say it's Earth one. But no, you're right. We had no way of knowing that this was 411 00:37:22,968 --> 00:37:29,093 going to happen. It does make my review like pretty obsolete, though, I would say. There 412 00:37:29,113 --> 00:37:33,897 are so many things I got wrong in it. It's embarrassing. This movie doesn't make me like that movie 413 00:37:33,937 --> 00:37:39,159 anymore. I don't want to say it redeems the movie, but it does address some of the criticisms 414 00:37:39,259 --> 00:37:44,742 we had about the film. Now the original backstory they created for Charles Halstead in this film 415 00:37:44,942 --> 00:37:50,804 was wild. His actions in the movie stem from the fact that he simply hates people because 416 00:37:50,824 --> 00:37:56,007 he's constantly feeling their emotions and feels that the world would be better if everyone 417 00:37:56,047 --> 00:38:01,549 just felt what he was feeling all the time. He's an interesting character at times being 418 00:38:01,629 --> 00:38:08,375 somewhat sympathetic. Well, also at times shockingly evil. And I'd say it's probably an upgrade 419 00:38:08,395 --> 00:38:13,277 to what we got in the Crisis on Infinite Earth's comic. Yeah. Well, I mean, this origin story 420 00:38:13,317 --> 00:38:17,338 just seemed better than the comics version of his origin that we learned last week, where 421 00:38:17,518 --> 00:38:22,219 basically the guy just hated his boss and so became like an expert on emotions or some stupid 422 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:29,802 shit. It's so dumb. Yeah. That scene where the dude killed all his classmates and. the German 423 00:38:29,862 --> 00:38:34,763 officers came into the school and they saw all these students hanging from the ceiling. That 424 00:38:34,803 --> 00:38:39,304 shit was nightmare fuel. Like, I remember watching that and thinking, like, when the fuck did 425 00:38:39,324 --> 00:38:43,886 this become a horror film? Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, it was straight out of the horror genre. That 426 00:38:43,906 --> 00:38:49,727 was wild. I do kind of miss the Medusa mask, though. Like, I generally like a lot of the 427 00:38:49,747 --> 00:38:53,889 character designs, really like the character designs of the Tomorrowverse characters, but 428 00:38:54,029 --> 00:38:58,842 not Psycho Pirate. I don't like being able to see his. face as much as I do. I'm used to 429 00:38:58,942 --> 00:39:03,424 not seeing his face in the comics. Well, the Medusa mask is just such a cool concept, you 430 00:39:03,444 --> 00:39:09,187 know, where it like portrays an emotion that is projected onto its victims. Yeah, it's just 431 00:39:09,227 --> 00:39:14,969 a great visual that you think would do really well in a medium like movies, you know, for 432 00:39:15,009 --> 00:39:20,091 sure, for sure. I can't wait to see that adapted into live action. That'll be so cool. Just 433 00:39:20,111 --> 00:39:26,210 like this liquid gold mask. Hell, yeah. If they choose to do that, they should. Psycho pirate 434 00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:30,835 is a really great villain that just needs to be adapted. Heck, based off of this origin, 435 00:39:31,335 --> 00:39:35,319 I could see like a psycho pirate live action movie, a la The Joker, where it's just like 436 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:41,526 focused around him. I guess. I don't know. It could be a horror film. Why not? Hmm. I'd watch 437 00:39:41,586 --> 00:39:43,908 it. I wouldn't because I don't like horror movies. 438 00:39:50,958 --> 00:39:56,604 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 439 00:39:56,624 --> 00:40:02,350 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 440 00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:08,096 DynaMic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 441 00:40:08,116 --> 00:40:14,791 DynaMic Podcast Network Comic Book Titans smash every Tuesday. 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With help from Bat family members from across the multiverse, Earth-1 Batman 449 00:40:58,495 --> 00:41:05,757 stops the Joker, though Batman disapproves of the other's help. Now, this was a pointless 450 00:41:05,977 --> 00:41:11,495 opening to the film. Like, I understand that Batman is a draw commercially, but when you 451 00:41:11,535 --> 00:41:16,737 have him just being a dick to everyone else, it's not fun to watch. Right. Yeah, you want 452 00:41:16,757 --> 00:41:23,059 to see the Bat family kicking gas, you know, united and working together. It's kind of a 453 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:29,341 downer when you see Batman just being an asshole. Really, the whole Batman storyline was inessential 454 00:41:29,461 --> 00:41:33,895 to the entire narrative. And I don't know why they kept revisiting it because he seemed no 455 00:41:33,935 --> 00:41:38,197 more important than any other single other universe that was protecting their own tower. Right, 456 00:41:38,277 --> 00:41:44,101 right, exactly. And in that regard, you know, cameos like Batman Beyond, which were really 457 00:41:44,181 --> 00:41:48,103 used to help sell this movie in the trailers and stuff like that, we got really excited. 458 00:41:48,563 --> 00:41:53,546 That all felt kind of hollow and empty when it just seemed kind of gratuitous. Oh yeah, 459 00:41:53,926 --> 00:41:58,829 man, I was really excited, honestly, for Batman Beyond, especially because Will Friedle was 460 00:41:58,869 --> 00:42:05,129 returning to voice the role. he only got like literally two lines. He also voiced Commandy 461 00:42:05,609 --> 00:42:10,733 and he had way more lines as that character than he did as Batman Beyond, which was unfortunate. 462 00:42:11,213 --> 00:42:17,098 I guess you could rationalize Batman's behavior in this film though as a sort of coping method 463 00:42:17,178 --> 00:42:22,742 with witnessing the death of James Gordon. He didn't want to lose anyone else close to him. 464 00:42:23,262 --> 00:42:27,926 Although maybe that's not true because he wasn't close to that version of James Gordon. and 465 00:42:27,966 --> 00:42:33,710 he definitely wasn't close to all of his adoptive children from other multiverses. He freaking 466 00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:39,655 admitted to taking Dick Grayson back to the orphanage in his universe. That's messed up. 467 00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:45,060 Yeah, it kind of makes it feel like not my Batman, right? Because like, right, my Batman would 468 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,465 take on a ward in Dick Grayson. Who the fuck is this guy? For sure, for sure. Now in a flashback 469 00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:57,578 to World War Two on Earth Two, Psycho Pirate converses with an imprisoned Dr. Fate. recounting 470 00:42:57,598 --> 00:43:03,322 his childhood as an empathic metahuman who absorbed, amplified, and reflected the emotions of those 471 00:43:03,382 --> 00:43:08,125 around him. Another flashback follows that goes all the way back to the destruction of Krypton, 472 00:43:08,486 --> 00:43:14,810 observed from a distance by the monitor in his satellite ship, which notices and rescues Supergirl 473 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:20,574 amidst Krypton's ruin. Why do you think Dr. Fate gave Psycho Pirate the ability to traverse 474 00:43:20,674 --> 00:43:25,157 among the multiverse? We don't know that yet. I'm hoping we'll learn that in the third film. 475 00:43:25,462 --> 00:43:29,986 But I'm guessing it has something to do with either a change of heart that comes from the 476 00:43:30,006 --> 00:43:35,570 Psycho Pirate or some kind of... I don't know. He's needed for some reason. Like, it's his 477 00:43:35,691 --> 00:43:40,495 fate to be able to traverse the multiverse. So, of course, Dr. Fate got involved and gave 478 00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:45,579 him that ability. You think Psycho Pirate will be redeemed in the third film? He certainly 479 00:43:45,659 --> 00:43:51,164 was not in the comic. So, I don't know. I could see them going either way. Did this scene with 480 00:43:51,204 --> 00:43:55,915 Dr. Fate redeem... the character at all for you from the Justice Society World War II movie. 481 00:43:56,976 --> 00:44:02,979 A bit. He was much cooler in this film, partly because we actually got to see him as Dr. Fate 482 00:44:02,999 --> 00:44:07,542 in all of his glory. Now going back to Psycho Pirates' past, his parents shipped him off 483 00:44:07,562 --> 00:44:12,304 to a boarding school in Bavaria, where he suffered under the amplified aggression of the school 484 00:44:12,344 --> 00:44:18,868 boys. Over time he managed to control his power and used it to kill, humiliate, and control 485 00:44:18,968 --> 00:44:24,260 everyone in his school. Meanwhile, Monitor, initially annoyed by Supergirl's presence, 486 00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:29,324 helped her recuperate and began teaching her about the multiverse and his ancient race who 487 00:44:29,384 --> 00:44:34,949 observe events in the multiverse. As timeless decades pass, Supergirl eventually finds her 488 00:44:34,969 --> 00:44:40,613 Kryptonian ship on the satellite and is devastated when she remembers Krypton's destruction. When 489 00:44:40,653 --> 00:44:46,378 Supergirl confronts Monitor, he reveals that her younger cousin is still alive as Superman 490 00:44:46,778 --> 00:44:52,334 and Supergirl leaves Monitor, angry, to go to her cousin. Now I like the rationale they had 491 00:44:52,394 --> 00:44:57,456 for why Superman is older than Supergirl in this universe. It's because she was aboard 492 00:44:57,536 --> 00:45:02,458 the monitor ship where time does not pass. I thought that was a great reasoning. Yeah, considering 493 00:45:02,498 --> 00:45:08,061 that she was older when Krypton exploded and K'Hellel was just a baby. Exactly. The character 494 00:45:08,101 --> 00:45:12,543 of Satellite was pretty interesting. He was like a more humanized version of Hell 9000 495 00:45:12,963 --> 00:45:18,885 from 2001 of Space Odyssey. Yeah, yeah, he looked pretty menacing with that like single eyeball. 496 00:45:19,222 --> 00:45:24,004 But it turns out he was just a big old softy who cared for Kara. He was like, whoops, I 497 00:45:24,064 --> 00:45:29,266 accidentally saved her life. He had more empathy than the monitor did. And it was almost like 498 00:45:29,286 --> 00:45:34,068 he was trying to teach the character of the monitor how to care about things. Yeah, I thought 499 00:45:34,088 --> 00:45:38,050 the same thing. You almost have to wonder if he was being manipulated by the presence at 500 00:45:38,090 --> 00:45:43,072 all, because the specter at the end explicitly said that the presence wanted the monitor to 501 00:45:43,152 --> 00:45:48,624 feel empathy. Interesting, interesting. Now the Psycho Pirate recounts his time as a Nazi 502 00:45:48,664 --> 00:45:54,269 pirate captain whose ship sank and while adrift at sea, discovered Atlantis, using his power 503 00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:59,493 to manipulate Aquaman and his kingdom into being Nazi allies, as we saw in the film Justice 504 00:45:59,513 --> 00:46:04,838 Society World War II. As Psycho Pirate concludes his story, he learns that his powers have no 505 00:46:04,898 --> 00:46:10,623 effect on Dr. Fate before Dr. Fate teaches Psycho Pirate a magic spell that would allow him to 506 00:46:10,663 --> 00:46:16,664 travel to other universes. Meanwhile, As Monitor observes the first waves of universe destroying 507 00:46:16,744 --> 00:46:22,047 antimatter, he also observes Supergirl's heroic actions at the conclusion of the Legion of 508 00:46:22,128 --> 00:46:27,972 Superheroes film and is inspired to take action, summoning her to a satellite once again where 509 00:46:28,012 --> 00:46:32,915 he imbues her with a portion of his power to allow her to also traverse the multiverse as 510 00:46:32,955 --> 00:46:39,520 his harbinger and collect heroes in order to save it. Does Dr. Fate usually recite his spells 511 00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:44,199 in Latin? Seems like more of a Constantine thing, right? Yeah, I don't usually see Dr. Fate, 512 00:46:44,359 --> 00:46:48,201 you know, reciting incantations in the same way that John Constantine does. That's more 513 00:46:48,241 --> 00:46:54,385 of an occult thing, whereas Dr. Fate is more like artifact based, I would say. And Dr. Strange 514 00:46:54,405 --> 00:46:59,448 just says a bunch of nonsense, like the hoary hosts of Hoggeth, like stuff Stan Lee invented. 515 00:46:59,708 --> 00:47:01,829 Yeah, those hosts of Hoggeth are hoary. 516 00:47:05,706 --> 00:47:10,688 As the Justice Society emerges victorious back in World War II, Psycho Pirate escapes to a 517 00:47:10,748 --> 00:47:16,591 new universe where he's encountered by Harbinger and asked to aid in the protection of the multiverse. 518 00:47:17,031 --> 00:47:22,453 In the present, Superman witnesses a new wave of antimatter approaching and heroes from across 519 00:47:22,493 --> 00:47:27,996 the multiverse activate their towers to protect their universes, including the post-apocalyptic 520 00:47:28,036 --> 00:47:33,450 world of the Atomic Knights, saved by Superman and Supergirl. the latter of whom is still 521 00:47:33,491 --> 00:47:38,674 concerned with the monitor's initial apathy toward Krypton's destruction and the erasure 522 00:47:38,834 --> 00:47:43,358 of the future timeline that included her friends in the Legion of Superheroes, which we saw 523 00:47:43,378 --> 00:47:48,402 at the end of Crisis Part 1. Yeah, I think we hypothesized at the end of Crisis Part 1 that 524 00:47:48,562 --> 00:47:54,666 anyone who was from a future timeline got erased, but it turns out that just their specific universes 525 00:47:54,686 --> 00:47:59,798 got erased. Right, exactly, because we still see characters like Baman beyond. Right. While 526 00:47:59,838 --> 00:48:05,401 Commandi is returned to his own post-apocalyptic Earth alongside the intelligent ape Solovar 527 00:48:05,681 --> 00:48:11,305 to protect its tower, Psycho Pirate manipulates Monitor into giving him a portion of his power 528 00:48:11,665 --> 00:48:17,149 in order to more effectively maintain the heroes' emotions as they continually work to protect 529 00:48:17,189 --> 00:48:22,452 their worlds. As the heroes monitoring things from the satellite speculate someone may be 530 00:48:22,492 --> 00:48:28,026 behind the waves of antimatter, They also deduced that they could potentially move all the worlds 531 00:48:28,067 --> 00:48:33,168 to nether space with enough energy. When Blue Beetle confronts Psycho Pirate, the villain 532 00:48:33,228 --> 00:48:38,770 is transported away by the Anti-Monitor. I have a question, why does DC have so many intelligent 533 00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:44,411 ape characters? You know, there's Gorilla Grodd, there's the Ultra Humanite, and now we have 534 00:48:44,571 --> 00:48:50,373 Solovar. Solovar is like Gorilla Grodd's rival from Gorilla City. That does not answer my 535 00:48:50,413 --> 00:48:57,862 question. Because in DC Comics, you know, there is Gorilla City and it's entirely full of intelligent 536 00:48:57,962 --> 00:49:03,406 apes that have evolved. Solovar being one of them. I knew as soon as he showed up that Command 537 00:49:03,426 --> 00:49:08,689 D was not going to have it. Well, yeah, considering that Command D is based on Planet of the Apes 538 00:49:08,749 --> 00:49:13,993 or was inspired by it, I should say, it was kind of funny to have Solovar there. But that's 539 00:49:14,013 --> 00:49:18,376 straight from the Crisis comic as well. Wait, Command D played a role in the Crisis comic? 540 00:49:18,796 --> 00:49:23,508 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Interesting. The Tomorrowverse was laying all these clues with the shorts 541 00:49:23,528 --> 00:49:27,711 they decided to create and stuff like that as to the direction that the franchise was going 542 00:49:27,731 --> 00:49:33,696 to go. We just never saw the crisis story coming. No. As the heroes of the multiverse prepare 543 00:49:33,716 --> 00:49:39,321 for a new wave, this time it leaves behind hordes of shadow demons on each world that attack 544 00:49:39,361 --> 00:49:45,746 the heroes and the towers. Meanwhile, the Anti-Monitor promises Psycho-Pirate an entire universe to 545 00:49:45,786 --> 00:49:51,266 control in exchange for helping put a stop to the Monitor and his heroes. As Batman gets 546 00:49:51,406 --> 00:49:56,407 overwhelmed by shadow demons, members from the Bat Family from other worlds come to his aid 547 00:49:56,507 --> 00:50:01,689 once again, and together they determine Bright Light destroys the demons. And once again, 548 00:50:01,989 --> 00:50:08,110 Batman's completely a dick to these guys. As Wonder Woman, Commandee, and others protect 549 00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:14,052 their towers, Psycho Pirate begins broadcasting feelings of hate and distrust across the multiverse, 550 00:50:14,332 --> 00:50:19,333 causing heroes such as the Bat Family, Green Lantern and Dr. Light, and the Amazons to turn 551 00:50:19,393 --> 00:50:24,419 against each other. When Supergirl attacks a shadow demon, her physical contact with it 552 00:50:24,479 --> 00:50:30,101 allows PsychoPirate to project an illusion in her mind of her being with her loved ones and 553 00:50:30,161 --> 00:50:35,402 coming to the conclusion that the monitor caused the destruction of Krypton and everything bad 554 00:50:35,442 --> 00:50:40,944 that has happened since. Now I'm not going to lie, this whole Supergirl illusion thing was 555 00:50:41,084 --> 00:50:46,279 super confusing because she was talking to PsychoPirate in one moment. then she was helping her cousin 556 00:50:46,299 --> 00:50:50,962 fight shadow demons in another, then all of a sudden she's back on Krypton with the Legion 557 00:50:51,002 --> 00:50:55,946 and her mom, then Krypton is kind of destroyed behind her, and then she's with Psycho Pirate 558 00:50:56,006 --> 00:51:02,372 again. It's weird. As heroes across the multiverse continue to fight, a homeless man is revealed 559 00:51:02,392 --> 00:51:07,476 to be John Constantine, with help from the Green Lantern John Stewart. When Monitor confronts 560 00:51:07,556 --> 00:51:13,301 Psycho Pirate about what he's doing, he escapes to another universe, just as another wave emerges 561 00:51:13,381 --> 00:51:18,495 on the horizon. Many worlds are destroyed, including the world of the Amazons and Atomic Knights, 562 00:51:18,815 --> 00:51:23,936 though some heroes manage to overcome their wrath to activate their towers in time. So 563 00:51:24,116 --> 00:51:30,518 Wonder Woman is dead now, right? It's ambiguous. Her Tiara lived, and she mentioned earlier 564 00:51:30,538 --> 00:51:36,440 that she was immortal, so I don't know if that means that allowed her to survive. I will give 565 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,181 you a spoiler. In the extras for this film, they show a preview for part 3 in which she 566 00:51:42,281 --> 00:51:50,304 is still alive. that could take place timeline wise before she dies here? I have no idea. 567 00:51:50,364 --> 00:51:55,408 But I think that Tiara is a clue that she's still alive. As the monitor observes everything 568 00:51:55,428 --> 00:52:00,233 that's happening, he is approached by the spectre who implies that he will suffer for his millions 569 00:52:00,273 --> 00:52:06,259 of years of apathy. When the shadow demons across the multiverse leave for Earth 1, there they 570 00:52:06,299 --> 00:52:12,272 combine to form a colossal sized anti-monitor. The emergence of the Anti-Monitor reveals to 571 00:52:12,312 --> 00:52:16,655 the Monitor and the Spectre that everything that has happened is the Monitor's fault and 572 00:52:16,715 --> 00:52:22,220 as punishment, he allows Supergirl to kill him. When the heroes attacks on the Anti-Monitor 573 00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:28,525 fail, Supergirl realizes what she has done and holds the Monitor's dead body. The film ends 574 00:52:28,605 --> 00:52:35,911 with the Anti-Monitor charging up a massive energy attack, which is hella anti-climactic. 575 00:52:35,951 --> 00:52:40,410 For real. My wife is like, that was the end? Really? I'm like, any other, you know, they're 576 00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:45,613 setting up a part three, but you're right. It just kind of ended in a way that didn't feel 577 00:52:45,653 --> 00:52:51,476 like an ending. No, no. I mean, they should have just ended it with Supergirl holding monitor. 578 00:52:51,596 --> 00:52:55,978 Like they didn't need the whole charge up attack because if you're not going to finish that, 579 00:52:56,999 --> 00:53:01,742 why then? Why do it? Especially considering we still don't have a release date for part 580 00:53:01,822 --> 00:53:06,444 three. Like we know it's coming out this year, but who knows how many months he'll have to 581 00:53:06,484 --> 00:53:14,031 charge that damn thing. It's gonna be one massive attack. Although the anti-monitor himself seems 582 00:53:14,131 --> 00:53:18,633 less threatening than an anti-matter wave that's tearing through the universe. Right, especially 583 00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:23,735 considering the fact that the heroes were actually able to physically, not necessarily harm him, 584 00:53:23,875 --> 00:53:28,858 but affect him. You know, cause like his mouth is screaming, he's like, ah. Right. But you 585 00:53:28,878 --> 00:53:33,559 know, they couldn't do that to an anti-matter wave. We'll see how it plays out. I have high 586 00:53:33,619 --> 00:53:39,562 hopes for the next film, the third in the trilogy. I hope it ends with a bang. But I realize I 587 00:53:39,582 --> 00:53:45,446 have to temper my expectations considering the past quality of the Tomorrowverse film universe. 588 00:53:45,946 --> 00:53:51,689 Yeah, considering the inconsistent quality of this series of films, these crisis movies almost 589 00:53:51,749 --> 00:53:56,032 require audience members to have seen every single movie in the Tomorrowverse to get a 590 00:53:56,072 --> 00:54:01,055 lot of the context behind what's going on here. Like, even in this film, little things like 591 00:54:01,095 --> 00:54:06,014 the scene of Supergirl trying to find Superman when she comes back to Earth. You know, we, 592 00:54:06,174 --> 00:54:11,136 having seen Justice League Warworld, we know that that's where he is, up in space, but someone 593 00:54:11,176 --> 00:54:15,258 coming new to this film wouldn't know that, and so it would just add to the confusion. 594 00:54:15,618 --> 00:54:20,520 Things like Commandy, you know, if people hadn't seen that DC showcase short, they'd be like, 595 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,342 who the hell is this guy showing up randomly in this film? Lots of little things like that. 596 00:54:25,783 --> 00:54:30,705 The investment required of the audience, I think, is too much. And this trilogy so far has done 597 00:54:30,765 --> 00:54:37,005 absolutely zero handholding. Yeah, and it doesn't help that a lot of the references, even in 598 00:54:37,186 --> 00:54:43,391 part one, are to some of my least favorite Tomorrowverse films. Like, there's a lot of references to 599 00:54:43,431 --> 00:54:49,837 Justice Society World War Two. Hated that movie. Legion of Superheroes. That movie sucked. It's 600 00:54:49,877 --> 00:54:54,461 like, where's the long Halloween references, you know? Where's the... I guess they did have 601 00:54:54,581 --> 00:55:00,706 Green Lantern beware my power references, because I liked that movie. But yeah. I mean, at least 602 00:55:00,726 --> 00:55:06,309 you could say the crisis films are better than most of the other tomorrow verse films. I don't 603 00:55:06,329 --> 00:55:10,771 know how much that's saying, but it's saying something. They're like midway there. They're 604 00:55:10,791 --> 00:55:16,875 kind of mid overall. I like the first one again. Yeah. Hopefully part three is going to be the 605 00:55:16,915 --> 00:55:22,758 best in the whole tomorrow verse universe in the same way that Justice League Dark was really, 606 00:55:22,918 --> 00:55:28,201 really damn good and among the best of the DC animated movie universe. But in regards to 607 00:55:28,241 --> 00:55:33,639 this film, Despite intriguing backstories for several characters, the film fails to capture 608 00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:40,180 the stakes or interest of part one as it slowly ramps up for the finale. We gave part one three 609 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:45,722 and a half stars. I'm giving this one a notch below that three stars, right on the borderline 610 00:55:45,782 --> 00:55:52,064 of rotten and fresh. This time I'm leaning rotten for rotten tomatoes. Right because you know 611 00:55:52,144 --> 00:55:55,905 the tomato meter is a measure of recommendation. A lot of people view the tomato meter as a 612 00:55:55,945 --> 00:56:00,442 measure of quality. It's actually a measure of recommendation. And at the end of the day, 613 00:56:00,703 --> 00:56:05,605 I think I would also not recommend this movie, whereas I would recommend the first one. But 614 00:56:05,625 --> 00:56:09,787 that does it for this review. If you guys saw the movie, I'd love to hear what you thought 615 00:56:09,808 --> 00:56:16,971 about it. You can reach out to us via email at dyna or by visiting us on Instagram, which 616 00:56:16,991 --> 00:56:21,174 you can find a link to in our show notes or by going to our website at dynamicduel.com. 617 00:56:22,354 --> 00:56:25,396 And on our site, you could also find a link to our Patreon page where you could join our 618 00:56:25,456 --> 00:56:29,754 dynamic two out here and chat with us and fellow listeners. our Fantastic Four tier, which gets 619 00:56:29,774 --> 00:56:33,956 you bonus content each month, our X-Force tier that makes you an executive producer of this 620 00:56:33,996 --> 00:56:39,258 podcast, or our newest tier that lets you join our DynaMic Podcast Network. Please don't 621 00:56:39,298 --> 00:56:45,921 forget to rate our show on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser, or on our website. In our next episode, 622 00:56:46,301 --> 00:56:52,244 in lead up to our review of the Netflix series, Dead Boy Detectives, we are doing a Sandman 623 00:56:52,364 --> 00:56:57,606 tie-in duel because Dead Boy Detectives takes place in the Sandman universe. we will be pitting 624 00:56:57,806 --> 00:57:04,150 Sandman Wesley Dodds against Madame Webb. Right, the Julia Carpenter version of Madame Webb, 625 00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:08,772 not the Cassandra Webb version, because she would be, I think, pretty useless in a fight. 626 00:57:09,192 --> 00:57:13,475 She'd be able to tell how the fight went by predicting her own defeat, but she wouldn't 627 00:57:13,495 --> 00:57:17,577 be able to do much more than that, you know? Yeah. But no, I think it'll be a good matchup. 628 00:57:17,657 --> 00:57:23,480 You know, both Wesley Dodds and Julia Carpenter can subdue their opponents and have premonitions 629 00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:27,070 and stuff like that. I think it'll be pretty good. But that does it for this episode, we 630 00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:31,872 want to give a big thanks to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John Swarovski, Zachary Hepburn, 631 00:57:31,992 --> 00:57:37,414 Dustin Balcom, Miggy Mathengian, Brandon Estregard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yaiten, Austin Wazilovski, 632 00:57:37,654 --> 00:57:43,996 AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Schunk, Dean Molesky, and Devin Davis for helping 633 00:57:44,096 --> 00:57:49,378 make this podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. 634 00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:53,100 There's a crisis happening right now. In my pants.