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by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night,

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all day! Alright,

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thanks for doing this, sir, I appreciate it. Oh,

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you're welcome. I've enjoyed many of your

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videos online, so I'm fascinated by these

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theories that you have. Oh, so that's

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one. So I'm

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excited. I'm excited that you're here. Could you please,

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first of all, could you just tell everybody what

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your background is? Like,

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what did you start off doing professionally?

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I started as an apprentice in

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an engineering company in Manchester, England.

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And I worked through

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the apprenticeship, received

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my German papers, worked

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for a couple more years in England,

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and then I was recruited by an

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aerospace company in America. And

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I'm a grader to America. And

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what did you do for this aerospace company? Well,

1:02

I started out as a lathe turner, that was

1:04

my specialty. A what? A lathe

1:06

turner. A lathe turner. Yeah. Right,

1:09

so I was a lathe hand, right? So

1:12

I operated, you know,

1:15

horizontal lathes, vertical lathes. In

1:18

England, you know, they had what they call

1:20

them vertical borem mills. And

1:24

in the States, you have to learn a different

1:26

language right there. The cultural

1:28

differences between, right? So you pick

1:30

up different terminologies

1:33

for things. Like, they

1:35

call over here, they call it a vertical turret

1:37

lathe. In England, they call

1:39

it a vertical borem

1:41

mill. And

1:44

so you're working with

1:46

machines. And when

1:48

did you come up with this theory

1:51

about the pyramid? Well,

1:53

actually, I had been in the States for a

1:56

while. It was, I came over in 1969. In

2:01

1977, I picked

2:03

up Peter Tompkins' book, Secrets of the

2:05

Great Pyramid, and I

2:08

started to examine that

2:10

book. One of

2:12

the things that Tompkins asked a very

2:14

significant question in that book, he said,

2:17

does the Great Pyramid in trying to lost

2:19

science? Is

2:22

the Great Pyramid a

2:25

product of that science? Does it reflect that

2:27

science? I took that

2:29

question very seriously. That

2:31

question was in my mind as I

2:33

read through the book. And then

2:35

I started to explore some

2:40

of the references that he

2:42

provided in the bibliography. One

2:45

of them was the work of William Flinders

2:48

Petrie. He

2:52

described lathes

2:54

being used in

2:57

ancient Egypt. He described

2:59

very large coring drills,

3:02

up to 18 inches in

3:04

diameter. And

3:08

he also claimed

3:11

that they were using circular saws.

3:14

When he's describing this, what kind of metal

3:16

would they be using? Well that's the thing.

3:20

The question really

3:23

demands that you

3:26

explore all methods,

3:30

but you are able to, when

3:33

you satisfy

3:37

the historical record, say

3:39

the archaeological record, and you say, okay,

3:41

I'm going to try this, well

3:43

that's not going to work. That

3:46

won't work. So we'll try this. We'll

3:50

keep improving our methods and

3:52

tools until we arrive at

3:55

a solution to explaining the

3:58

artifact. was the

4:00

that's the important thing that's basically the

4:04

demands on a manufacturing engineer which

4:06

I eventually became so you know

4:08

if a customer comes in and

4:11

they bring a part to

4:14

the company and said I want you to make one

4:16

just like this what

4:19

does the what do we do well we have to

4:21

know what it this is

4:24

and but and to do that you

4:26

take measurements you determine

4:29

materials how it

4:31

was manufactured you

4:33

look for tool marks to see what

4:35

processes may have been involved in it

4:38

whether there were dyes whether

4:42

there's machining marks in

4:45

areas you look at

4:47

the welds did they weld

4:49

some parts did they braise other parts

4:52

and then of course the

4:54

geometries and basically that's

4:56

your model that's like okay I've got to

4:58

make something just like this right

5:01

but when you're making something like if

5:03

you're looking at say some of the

5:05

stone work that was done the pyramid

5:07

where there's not in the pyramid

5:09

but in some of the quarries where you see these core drill

5:12

holes right like how

5:14

would you reverse engineer that like how

5:16

would you figure out what could

5:19

possibly do that well

5:21

that's the interesting question and

5:25

it's a it's one that's been a huge

5:29

debate going on about that and it

5:32

really goes back to 1984 and I published

5:34

an article called advanced

5:40

machining in ancient Egypt question

5:43

mark and it

5:45

was published in analog science

5:47

fiction science fact magazine in

5:50

August of 1984 she been at this

5:52

a long time before

5:55

you were born in high school yeah yeah

5:58

I was junior in high school I was

6:00

wasn't. So it

6:03

was and

6:05

you know Stanley Schmier, Dr. Stanley

6:07

Schmier, who's the editor of analog, very

6:11

respected editor, selected it for

6:13

publication. We went through, you

6:16

know, the editorial processes, yesterday

6:18

changes and stuff

6:20

like that and and then

6:22

it was it went out. And

6:25

so what did you, when you look

6:27

at like the core the drill holes,

6:30

the vases are another like

6:32

very fascinating and real

6:34

gigantic mystery. Right. How those were constructed and we'll talk

6:36

about those as well. You want to give me a

6:38

minute. Is that what it looks like? That's a model

6:41

of one? Yeah. But

6:43

the core holes itself, we

6:46

had a debate recently with Graham Hancock and

6:48

Flint Dibble and one of the things that

6:50

Dibble had suggested was that they had

6:53

done something with sand and that

6:55

that was how they were able to do this

6:57

with copper and sand and they were able to

6:59

drill. Does that make sense to you?

7:02

Well, I mean, I've

7:04

heard that, that theory about

7:07

how they were done and

7:09

I know that there has been work

7:11

done to prove that

7:13

that theory is the

7:15

correct one. But central

7:19

to explaining at the

7:21

actual core, if

7:26

you go back and you read

7:28

Petrie, he described a spiral groove

7:31

around a granite core and

7:35

he said that it's had like a pitch of a

7:38

hundred thousands per revolution of the

7:40

drill. And so

7:43

that's what I was going on when

7:47

I claimed, well, what kind of

7:49

a process would

7:51

you need to... Can I stop you there?

7:53

When you say a pitch of a thousandth

7:55

per... Yeah, for every revolution of the drill,

7:58

it sinks into the granite. 100,000

8:01

seven inch. Okay, so because

8:03

of operating

8:07

at a certain speed? Not

8:09

necessarily rotational speed,

8:12

but the penetration rate. So with

8:15

each rotation it will go how

8:17

long? How far? 100,000 seven

8:19

inch, which is almost 1 eighth of an

8:21

inch. So that's pretty

8:23

impressive when you're talking about solid

8:25

granite, correct? Yeah.

8:29

And that probably wouldn't be possible with

8:31

copper and sand? No.

8:34

It seems like sand and copper

8:36

just are not abrasive enough. No, I

8:39

contacted a company that

8:42

specialized in drilling granite

8:44

and I asked them,

8:47

how many, what is the feed

8:49

rate? That 100,000 of

8:52

an inch would be the feed

8:54

rate of the drill. What

8:57

is the feed rate of your drills

8:59

when you're drilling into granite? And

9:02

I got a response from

9:04

him and he said, generally,

9:08

you know, our

9:10

drills, they're diamond, they

9:13

rotate around 900 revolutions

9:15

per minute and

9:17

the penetration rate is about 2

9:19

tenths of an inch per

9:23

revolution. So 2

9:26

tenths of

9:28

an inch, 2 tenths thousandths of an inch

9:30

per revolution. Oh, 2 tenth thousandths. 2 tenth

9:32

thousandths. I'm sorry, yeah. I'm going to poke.

9:35

So 2 tenth

9:37

thousandths of an inch is like 500

9:40

times smaller than 100 thousandths of an inch. Wow.

9:47

So these drills that they used

9:49

in Egypt were capable of drilling

9:53

with each revolution 500

9:55

times more than modern diamond drills that

9:57

were used by people who cut into

9:59

granite. penetration rate was 500

10:01

times. So it might have

10:03

been operating a slower revolution

10:06

but when it's going through its full

10:09

revolution, it's much more effective. That's

10:11

what I concluded. Now

10:14

is this in multiple

10:16

different drill holes or

10:18

is it one individual

10:21

sample that they found that seems

10:24

to operate at this depth per

10:26

revolution? There have been

10:29

inspections on several different

10:31

cores. And have they

10:33

all yielded similar results?

10:35

And they have all

10:37

revealed that the

10:40

groove is a spiral. In other

10:42

words, it's a continuous spiral around

10:45

the core. The

10:47

most recent examination of

10:50

those cores was

10:53

in 2018 by two aerospace engineers, Eric

11:00

Wilson and Josh

11:03

Gere. And

11:05

they asked

11:07

the Petri Museum in London permission

11:10

to examine

11:13

the cores in their collection,

11:15

the Petri Core number seven

11:17

which is the most famous

11:19

core and the one

11:21

that has drawn the most heated kind

11:23

of debate about. Can we see what that looks

11:25

like? Jimmy, can you find that one? Petri

11:28

Core number seven? It's

11:31

on that. Yeah. Because

11:36

this to me and the vases obviously and

11:38

of course the construction, the pyramid itself. There

11:41

are also the symmetry of

11:43

the faces. There are so many

11:46

things that are so mind-blowing about whatever

11:49

they did and how they did it. Forget

11:53

about all the mysteries, just

11:55

what we know in terms of these

11:57

are these two cores. samples.

12:01

These are these two chords? No, they're the

12:03

same one and they're

12:05

from Lost Technologies of

12:07

Ancient Egypt and

12:10

essentially what happened was the

12:13

there was a book

12:15

written I think was in 1999 it

12:17

was by Chris

12:20

Ogilvy-Herald and Ian Lawson and it's

12:22

called Geezer the Truth and so

12:24

what they did is they had

12:27

contacted or they had associates

12:29

that went into the Petri Museum and

12:31

examined the core to

12:33

see if it was actually a spiral. So

12:36

they took photographs of it

12:38

and they examined those photographs

12:40

and they said no they're horizontal. Now there's

12:43

a big difference when you talk about a

12:45

horizontal groove and

12:48

a spiral groove and

12:50

so I was like okay I

12:53

suspend all assertions as

12:55

far as the methods that I

12:58

proposed for how it may have been done

13:01

I need to go and examine that

13:03

item myself. And

13:07

so I booked a flight

13:09

to England and a friend

13:12

of mine in Cambridge picked

13:15

me up at the airport Nick Anis and

13:18

we went to the Petri

13:20

Museum and I examined the core. The

13:25

method I used was to just

13:27

wrap a simple cotton

13:29

thread around it. So

13:31

you just followed the groove with the thread?

13:34

With the thread but I was wearing rubber

13:38

gloves? Well yes I

13:40

was wearing rubber gloves but I was also

13:43

wearing a visor

13:45

with lenses in it

13:47

that gave ten times so

13:50

you could really see where the groove

13:52

was? Yeah you would find those

13:55

items in any toolmakers box. So

13:57

if the lines were horizontal you

13:59

would go around in a circle then you'd have

14:01

to cross over the ridge to hit to the next

14:03

circle. Yeah. But in this

14:06

case, it was continuous. No, I

14:08

mean, it was continuous. Right. So

14:10

how did they miss that? That

14:12

seems like this is such an important

14:14

piece of history, such a fascinating thing

14:16

to examine. Look at this mystery. You

14:18

have this granite core. How do they do

14:20

it? There's lines on it. Are they

14:23

horizontal or are they a spiral? And then they

14:25

just go, oh, it's horizontal. And

14:28

then you come along with string and you're

14:30

like, no, it's a spiral. Right. How

14:32

does someone screw that up? Yes. I

14:35

mean, they would say that I screwed it

14:37

up, obviously. But the thing is,

14:39

Joe, is that when you're conducting

14:41

research, anybody, whether you're a scientist or

14:43

just a, you know, Joe Blow in

14:45

the tool room, and

14:48

you say, okay, this is

14:51

what I found. And these are the methods I

14:53

used. And these are the results.

14:56

Okay? Right. You

14:59

describe your experiment. You lay

15:01

it out and you explain in detail how you

15:03

did it. When with today's technology,

15:05

wouldn't it be really easy to scan it?

15:07

Well, it is now. Yeah. Yeah.

15:10

And then they would, so have they done that?

15:12

Have they definitively proven one way or the other?

15:16

I don't think there is a

15:18

really high quality scan that would

15:22

be necessary. I mean, I've learned a

15:24

little bit about scanning. It

15:26

was just being introduced into

15:28

manufacturing when

15:31

I retired, just before I

15:33

retired. We started to look

15:37

into it and we bought this white

15:39

light scanning system. But

15:42

now- This system is now

15:44

so advanced. The system is now. And you feed it through

15:47

AI. I like, a lot of years ahead. And you would

15:49

feed it through AI and it would tell you exactly. Well,

15:52

yeah. I mean, you basically,

15:54

you could slice it dice,

15:56

examine it any way you

15:58

wish. you

16:01

need to have qualified people to do could

16:09

I go in that? Right. So either

16:12

way, these cores

16:15

and those drill holes

16:17

represent something sensational. Something

16:19

absolutely amazing. Some

16:21

4,500 year old

16:24

drill that somehow or

16:26

another was more effective than drills that

16:28

are being used today. Yeah,

16:31

but you know the truth of

16:33

the matter, old drill. What? It's probably the most

16:36

insignificant artifact I've looked

16:38

at. I'm

16:50

sure. You've looked at so

16:52

much in Egypt. But to me,

16:54

it's like a corner piece. Oh,

16:58

people are freaking out over it. How

17:00

could you? How dare you? Well,

17:02

I'm sure because it throws everything

17:05

into flux. The assumption is they

17:07

did this through intense labor over

17:09

long periods of time and it

17:11

took forever to do. Right.

17:14

And if they're operating at a

17:16

pace that's 500 times more

17:19

effective than a drill that's used by a

17:21

modern – have you

17:23

talked to other people that go into

17:26

granite? Are there more sophisticated drills that

17:28

work better or more powerful

17:30

drills that work better than his? You

17:32

know the thing is in manufacturing,

17:36

and this is

17:38

a fact. You

17:42

don't know the full scope of what engineers

17:45

are capable of doing. Right. Because

17:47

you're not in every shop

17:49

in every country in every

17:51

town in the world. And

17:54

so nobody

17:56

knows exactly what all

17:58

engineers do. capable of.

18:02

There may be somebody actually

18:04

reproducing the features on that course

18:07

somewhere using some method.

18:09

I don't know. But

18:12

from the person that you talked to

18:14

that does it professionally that uses high-level

18:17

equipment, his drill was 500

18:19

times less effective. It

18:22

was the feed rate was less.

18:25

The revolution could have been more. I

18:27

mean you said it earlier. I said

18:29

I've been rotating slowly. It didn't have

18:31

to spin very fast. In

18:33

fact, it's better when

18:35

you're machining hard material or

18:37

grinding hard material is

18:39

that you don't because heat is

18:41

the biggest enemy of a tool.

18:44

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, that

18:46

makes sense. Yeah. Okay. So what

18:48

do you think if you had to guess that

18:50

they were using? I actually

18:57

created my own core just to experiment,

19:00

right? And I've learned a lot doing

19:03

it. I didn't use the same

19:05

method as some of the other researchers that are

19:07

out there that did it. I

19:10

had a copper tube and I

19:12

had corundum. With corundum?

19:14

Oh, I'd say a very, very

19:16

hard grit that you used

19:19

to grind into hard material.

19:21

So the copper tube would be flat

19:23

at the bottom and then you'd put

19:25

the grit in. The grit would act

19:27

as... Right, right. And so you'd rotate

19:29

it. Rotate it. Rotate it. And

19:32

you know I set up a jig and

19:34

tube and just ground

19:36

it, ground it, ground it, ground

19:38

it. Just so that I could see the results of

19:42

that. For one thing,

19:46

they say that copper was the only

19:48

metal that was available to the ancient

19:50

Egyptians, but when

19:52

it came to knocking out the

19:54

core from the hole, I

19:58

tried copper and it would budget so

20:00

I had to use a steel chisel. Is

20:04

it possible that they use something else like heat?

20:07

You know I'm actually leaning more

20:09

towards that because of

20:11

the the difference in

20:14

the finish. Like if they poured boiling water

20:16

in it or something would that loosen things?

20:18

I don't think water would be it but

20:20

the if you compare. The difference in

20:22

the finish? I'm sorry what did you do? Yeah yeah

20:24

that is that I don't think

20:26

has been discussed discussed enough or

20:29

recognized to be important enough

20:32

is that when you use

20:34

an abrasive like sand or like

20:36

emery or anything to grind

20:40

out a hole or do whatever you

20:43

leave a sanded

20:45

finish naturally. Polished? Not

20:47

polished. Sanded. Smoother?

20:50

It could be smooth but

20:52

it's definitely got a sanded finish. And what

20:54

is the difference between a sanded finish and

20:56

the finish of a diamond bit? Well

20:59

we don't we don't know if they were using the diamond

21:01

bit but that's what they do today. That's what they do

21:03

today. So what

21:05

is the difference between a sanded finish? Well

21:10

and well you still have the same

21:12

thing. You're using an abrasive. You're

21:14

keeping the abrasive as cool as

21:17

possible as you're grinding

21:19

away but you're still grinding it. And

21:21

so your finish is not going to

21:23

be polished unless

21:26

you have a secondary process

21:28

where you go in and polish it with

21:30

a finer grit. You

21:32

don't start with a very very fine grit because

21:34

you won't get anywhere with it. Let's take a

21:36

look at some of those holes. Jimmy can you

21:38

show us some of those holes the drill holes

21:40

in granite in ancient Egypt? So here we could

21:42

see right here which is absolutely

21:45

wild. Some of these images I

21:47

mean that is absolutely wild. I

21:50

mean how the hell did they

21:52

do that? Well that's what just

21:54

about this is like an engineer's

21:56

playground. They go through there. Right.

22:00

an engineer you must be just like scratching

22:02

your head. Yeah,

22:04

fascinating stuff. Yeah, definitely. Jamie, click on that.

22:06

Well, yeah, there we go. That's a good

22:08

one. I mean, that one's wild. That is

22:10

just absolutely crazy. That is

22:12

it. It looks like it's at

22:14

Abigurab and it's in an alabaster.

22:17

Have you ever measured the circumference

22:19

of these things? No.

22:22

Have you measured the diameters? Have you measured

22:24

whether or not they're equal circles? Well,

22:26

they are definitely round for sure. They're perfect?

22:29

Yeah. Perfectly round? I wouldn't say

22:31

perfect, no. So absolutely no.

22:33

You can't say perfect. Right, right, right.

22:35

Of course. No such thing as perfect.

22:37

Right. But they're round. Close

22:39

enough too. And so this, these, wow, look

22:42

at that. That is amazing. So

22:44

these circular holes were definitely cut

22:46

by some kind of a drill. That's

22:49

agreed upon? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So

22:52

if you couldn't do it with the copper, like

22:55

when you tried to do a copper, how long

22:57

did it take and how much, how

22:59

much results did you get? circular

23:02

marks, man. That is crazy. There's

23:04

a few days. That spiral right

23:06

there is absolutely nuts. I mean,

23:09

it just clearly looks like a drill hole.

23:11

Yeah. I think that's my photograph. I took

23:14

that one. So how

23:16

long did it take you to

23:18

drill a hole? Probably a day and a

23:23

half, two days, day

23:26

and a half, two days. And how deep

23:28

was the hole? The hole was probably

23:30

two inches, two and a

23:32

half inches deep. Well, that seems like it's

23:34

doable then, right? If you could

23:36

just keep doing it day after day, week after

23:38

week, you'd get a big core. Yeah. And that,

23:40

I mean, and that's basically the,

23:44

what everybody concludes, the

23:48

Egyptologists will conclude that they

23:50

had all the time in the world to

23:53

do these things. Wasn't the Pyramid

23:55

of Giza, the Great Pyramid, wasn't

23:58

that supposed to be completed

24:00

inside of 30 years in that Well,

24:19

the ones that we know of in the Great Pyramid

24:22

are way up to 70 tons and those are the

24:24

granite ones in the Kings Chamber. So

24:31

there's the drill holes which

24:33

are just absolutely fascinating and then this

24:35

pottery we'll talk about before we get

24:37

to the hole of what

24:39

you think the pyramid is. So

24:42

the pottery, like these vases

24:44

that you're seeing, I shouldn't

24:46

say pottery. I'm wrong. They're

24:48

actually solid carved and

24:50

they're carved out of very hard stone. What

24:52

is it they're carved out of? Oh granite,

24:54

diorite. Diorite, granite, diorite. Igneous

24:58

rock. And the crazy

25:01

thing is how

25:03

well they're done and if you show it, could you

25:05

pick that thing up to show everybody? The

25:08

crazy thing is that it's

25:10

not only perfectly symmetrical. Again, don't use

25:12

the word perfect, right? Because it's within

25:14

what width of a human hair? Well,

25:16

you can. It's some crazy.

25:20

Yeah, like two and a half thousandths or something like that. Two and

25:22

a half thousandths of a human hair. Have

25:24

you ever used one of these? Yes, I have. Alright,

25:26

so measure

25:29

the lip there, right? See that? Yes,

25:31

sir. Measure that and then turn it 90 degrees and

25:33

measure it and tell me what you get. Okay, this

25:35

obviously is not a real one. You wouldn't let me

25:37

hold it. No, that is actually a 3D print. Right,

25:39

a 3D print. From the STL file. Right,

25:43

but it's not a real one. No, obviously not. Okay. It's

25:46

a copy of the original. So

25:50

basically... So I'm measuring it here and

25:53

then I'm going to measure it here. So

25:56

it's essentially exactly the same everywhere, right? Is

25:58

that the idea? It's within a... about

26:00

a thousand and a half. It got

26:02

a human

26:23

hair, two and a half, three thousand.

26:25

So this is how you measure it

26:27

all with this equipment? Well this was

26:29

a different thing. It's like you couldn't

26:31

spin this on a potter's wheel. This

26:33

is where it gets really crazy

26:36

because of these handles. Now

26:38

these handles are also carved into the vase

26:40

and people would say what's the big deal

26:42

about a vase? The big

26:44

deal is these goddamn handles. That's a

26:46

big deal. Because even if you just

26:49

slowly and meticulously with the finest of

26:51

craftsmanship spun this to a perfect accuracy

26:53

just with like high grit sandpaper or

26:55

you know where it slowly over time

26:58

made it perfectly round and you got

27:00

so good out of that you get

27:02

it within how much of a human

27:05

hair again? About

27:07

a human hair. Okay two and a half though.

27:09

Okay let's say it's a human hair which is pretty

27:11

small. How the hell are

27:13

you gonna do these handles? How are you gonna

27:16

make these perfect too? There's another question

27:18

that you need to ask too. How do you get

27:20

the inside out? What? How

27:22

do you measure it to be sure that

27:24

you're within that human hair? Right. What kind

27:27

of equipment do you use? What kind of

27:29

instruments do you use? Yeah it seems like

27:31

this would be a problem. Like

27:33

I don't think they had this and if they did

27:35

have this they didn't have this part. How

27:38

do you know? I don't know. I'm guessing. I

27:40

don't know either. No. No but

27:43

it what we're thinking about what they had we're

27:45

not thinking about things like this but we don't

27:47

we really don't know. Well obviously we don't know

27:49

if we can't locate that

27:51

drill. If you can't locate that

27:54

drill like the drill is real the hole is

27:56

real. If you can't locate an ancient Egyptian drill

27:58

so there's a bunch of people. pieces of pottery.

28:01

And all of them have the same sort of

28:03

similar measurement to them in terms

28:06

of their perfection? Actually,

28:09

some of them, there's one,

28:11

I think it's more precise

28:13

than that one. Really? The

28:16

original, yeah. They call it

28:18

the spinner. I think it's that one at

28:20

the front there. And

28:23

we rotated that on the

28:26

rotab at

28:28

Dampel metal stamping. And we

28:31

staged it so that we were

28:33

checking concentricity or run out all

28:36

around. So we

28:38

put an indicator in various places

28:40

and then spun the rotary table to

28:44

check the run out. And

28:48

that thing, that one spinner

28:50

of A's blew me away. When

28:52

you're measuring a diameter, just a straight

28:54

diameter, and you're

29:01

checking the run out on a straight

29:03

diameter, and you have

29:05

it, okay, that's within 2000.

29:09

You only have that one axis

29:11

that is actually affecting the

29:14

movement of that indicator that you're using.

29:16

On this

29:19

bowl, when you're on

29:22

the side of it on

29:24

the crown, not right to the top,

29:26

but just below it, you're

29:29

at a place where the

29:32

movement in two

29:34

axes is affecting the

29:37

indicator reading. So

29:39

any error that you have vertically

29:41

or horizontally, they meet at the

29:44

top. Yeah, you're going to get

29:46

an accumulation of error

29:48

in run out. And how accurate is

29:51

that one, the spinner? It's

29:54

probably within a thousand and a

29:57

half. What does that

29:59

mean? thousands, about

30:02

half the thickness of a human hair. Half

30:05

the thickness of a human hair. And

30:07

one of the vases that's incredibly impressive

30:09

is there's one with a longer neck

30:12

and a lip on the top and then

30:14

it bowls out of the bottom. Yeah, right.

30:17

And it's again all carved out

30:19

of granite somehow. Right, right. And

30:22

how? What did they do to do

30:24

that? Well that's

30:26

the thing. I think we're kind of... See the fact

30:28

there's some other ones, Jamie. There's one of them that

30:30

has like a longer neck. See if you can find

30:33

it online maybe. Yeah, there

30:35

seems to be stuck

30:37

in a time warp where we're

30:41

trying to come to terms with

30:44

how the pyramids were built, without

30:46

all these artifacts were built. Oh

30:50

okay. That's

30:54

a nice posh cup. Can I keep that? Yes

30:56

sir, it's all yours. Thank you for being here.

30:59

So continue. So

31:03

we're lost in history. So yeah, I

31:05

mean, so we have competing

31:07

forces. We've got on

31:10

one side you have practical

31:13

engineers, practical scientists and

31:16

they want to measure everything

31:22

exactly and

31:25

regardless of what

31:28

current theories prescribe,

31:32

how they were made, they

31:35

want to explore other methods.

31:39

However, on the other side, on

31:41

the side of science, I mean

31:43

not engineers, archaeologists

31:46

or Egyptologists,

31:50

they believe that if

31:53

you're examining an ancient artifact and

31:55

you're a modern engineer, that

31:59

you have to... work under the

32:01

guidance of an archaeologist or

32:03

an Egyptologist. Otherwise,

32:05

your work would

32:07

not be recognized. That's weird.

32:10

And that is happening. I mean, that's the fact.

32:13

And they admit it. So

32:16

that is the situation. They say,

32:18

I think it's a systemic problem because it

32:20

is certainly not a way to

32:22

do science. Well,

32:27

and also, they're not educated in those

32:29

disciplines, suppose. Well, bingo, yes. I mean,

32:31

absolutely. So they wouldn't be able to

32:33

understand what's required to do that. Now,

32:37

the conventional explanation being some

32:39

sort of copper and sand,

32:42

if that's the conventional explanation,

32:44

there's no evidence of any

32:46

copper drills, correct?

32:51

If you go to the Cairo Museum,

32:54

they have a – I think there's a

32:56

tube that they describe – a small tube

32:58

that they describe as a – But

33:01

nothing that can carve those large

33:03

holes out of ground. Yeah, they're

33:06

just going on the assumption that

33:08

only copper existed during that period. And

33:11

so that was the metal that was

33:13

available to them. That was the metal that they

33:15

used. The tubes that they have in the museum

33:18

are these tubes, authentic tubes that

33:20

were used on the site for something? I

33:24

would have to go back and refresh

33:26

my memory on that because it was quite

33:28

a while before I looked at it. But

33:30

the point is, they don't – they have

33:33

a replica of an ancient boat. They know

33:35

they have boats. They know what the boats

33:37

look like. They don't have the actual

33:39

drill. So whether it's

33:41

something exotic that we didn't

33:43

know that they had capability

33:45

to create, or whether it's

33:47

what they think it is, neither one of those

33:49

exist. They don't exist. Okay.

33:52

No, I mean nothing exists. Everything right

33:54

now is theory. And

33:57

so we're stuck in a bit of a time

33:59

welcome. stuck, it's

34:02

between two disciplines. So what is

34:04

the reluctance of the archaeologist to

34:06

accept the findings of the engineers

34:08

if the goal is the

34:10

truth? So if the goal is

34:13

to figure out instead of just having assumptions that

34:15

you're going to cling to as dogma as to

34:17

what was done, wouldn't

34:19

the goal be let's find out

34:21

what the truth is, what's capable of

34:24

doing this if they talk to enough

34:26

engineers and especially enough people that actually

34:28

carve into granite? Then

34:30

you would get an understanding of what we know

34:32

today. This is the only thing that can do

34:34

this. This is how it's possible. Yeah, and

34:36

then you would try and reproduce the artifacts of

34:39

the ancient Egyptians produced and then

34:41

compare the results. Right. That's

34:43

what you have to do. So

34:46

the reluctance is they don't

34:48

believe that the Egyptians had

34:50

any more advanced technology than

34:53

what we assume they had,

34:55

which is pulleys and ropes

34:57

and copper tools and sand

34:59

and the like. Yeah, one would assume

35:02

that you'd have to ask an Egyptologist

35:04

and you may get a different answer

35:06

depending on who you ask. I'm

35:08

sure. Yeah. There's probably a lot more open-minded people

35:10

coming up. Yes,

35:12

particularly in Egypt. Yeah. Yeah,

35:16

there's a tremendous quiet

35:18

revolution going on in Egypt

35:20

because you

35:25

go where you feel like you're going to

35:27

be welcome. If you're not welcome

35:29

somewhere, you find someone. So

35:31

when I put my work out

35:35

and I was talking to people in the

35:37

90s on message boards

35:39

and I could see that I

35:41

wasn't getting anywhere there and

35:44

I thought, well, okay, who

35:47

has the most to gain and who has the most to

35:49

lose by opening

35:51

this up and exposing everything and

35:53

getting it out in the open? Who has

35:56

the most to gain if they come

35:58

down on my side and who has the most to lose? And

36:00

obviously, those who have the most

36:02

to lose are the Western institutions

36:05

who have written the history of the

36:07

world, written the history of Egypt. And

36:10

so I decided, well, I have to

36:13

appeal to Egyptian engineers. And

36:15

so in my second book, Lost Technologies

36:17

of Ancient Egypt, I

36:19

put out a challenge to

36:23

modern Egyptian engineers to

36:27

go out and check the artifacts

36:29

for themselves. And

36:32

that's what they did. One

36:35

man, one engineer, I

36:37

don't know how many other engineers were

36:39

involved, but also I'm

36:41

talking to Egyptologists, tour

36:43

guides. And

36:46

the message I'm getting is that the

36:50

pyramid of tomb theory is pretty

36:53

much on the way out. The

36:57

young people are being energized

36:59

and looking at their artifacts in

37:02

a different way. So

37:04

the engineer that took

37:07

up the challenge is called

37:09

Ahmed Adly. And

37:15

he followed my path. He

37:17

went into the Serapim and checked

37:19

those huge granite boxes. He did

37:22

a study of the statues. He

37:26

presented the Giza Power Plant

37:28

Theory to a physicist at

37:30

Cairo University. And

37:34

it's like, wow, times

37:36

are changing. So the

37:39

Egyptian youth are taking all of

37:41

the reins. And

37:44

they're excited about their future. You know,

37:46

just recently, there was a – there

37:51

was like a STEM

37:54

class. It was put

37:56

on by Nama American University. It

38:00

was held at the Grand

38:02

Egyptian Museum, and

38:05

there were over 200 students that

38:07

took place. The

38:13

professors and teachers

38:15

of these students

38:19

got Ahmad Adli involved to

38:21

design experiments to talk about

38:24

pyramids as energy

38:26

sources, talk about the

38:28

statues, cemetery, design projects

38:30

that the kids could

38:34

do, and even to

38:37

the point of taking

38:41

a slab of copper and

38:43

trying to cut a

38:47

brick using the old method just so that

38:49

they could get a hands-on feel for

38:54

what it was like. It's

38:57

all very well to sit at home in your

38:59

armchair and come up with a theory. But

39:01

if you don't go out and test it, then are you

39:03

just going to buy it roped? Right.

39:08

Okay, okay. So, a

39:10

respected professor tells me that this was

39:13

done with copper chisels or

39:15

copper slabs. And

39:18

he says it, then he's got to be right

39:20

because that's what he's paid

39:22

for. He's paid to teach the truth.

39:25

What is the oldest known iron that

39:27

we are aware of? In

39:32

terms of steel. Yeah,

39:35

that's a little outside my wheelhouse.

39:38

I don't know. I won't

39:40

be able to answer that accurately. Right, but they don't

39:42

think that the Egyptians had it. Well,

39:46

there was metal iron

39:49

found in the Great Pyramid. There

39:51

was? Yeah. I

39:53

think it was Jordan Petrie's time,

39:56

an engineer called Perring discovered an

39:58

iron plate. was

40:00

lodged near one of the shafts.

40:05

Wasn't there also, didn't one of the

40:07

pharaohs have a dagger that was made

40:10

from a meteorite? Supposedly, yes, it's meteoric

40:12

iron. Okay, so... So

40:14

how old is that? I don't know. And

40:17

really, when you talk about the

40:19

smelting of iron, I think you had that discussion

40:22

on with

40:26

your, when Graham and... Did

40:29

we talk about that, Jamie? Like

40:31

when... And yeah, the smelting being...

40:34

That could have been that, but I don't know. What

40:37

is the conventional date that

40:39

they use today for the smelting of

40:41

iron? When did they start doing that?

40:44

I think the discussion

40:46

was the appearance

40:48

of lead in these ice

40:50

cores that were drilled. Oh,

40:53

that's right. Right.

40:56

Right. Industrial activity, basically, what they

40:58

were looking for. So 1200 BC. Okay,

41:02

the history of pharaohs,

41:05

how do you say that word? Pharaohs.

41:08

Pharaohs metallurgy began far back in prehistory,

41:10

most likely with the use of iron from

41:12

meteors. There you go. The smelting of iron

41:15

bloomeries, is that it? Bloomeries,

41:17

what do you say? Began in the

41:20

12th century BC in India, Anatolia

41:23

or the Caucasus. Anyone

41:25

used in smelting and forging for tools appeared

41:27

in sub-Saharan Africa by 1200 BC. So

41:33

it could be that these pharaohs, the

41:35

one that had the iron dagger

41:38

made out of a meteorite, maybe that

41:40

was later. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, Tutankhamen. Okay,

41:42

so for sure it was. Look at

41:45

that, meteoric iron dagger. Wow. So

41:47

that's 1334 to 1325 BC. Interesting.

41:52

Well, that's earlier. That's

41:55

earlier than they said people were smelting. Yeah,

41:57

but they found it. They don't know when they made it. Yeah, but that's

41:59

a... That's different. Right, but if

42:02

it's Tutankhamen, that's his time. Yeah,

42:05

but that iron came from man's space. Right,

42:08

so they could have hammered it into that position?

42:10

Yeah. They could have smelt it. Pretty

42:13

much. Right. So we know they're

42:15

aware of it, at least, at least at this, at

42:17

1300 BC. We

42:19

know they're aware of iron, but

42:22

there's just no evidence of

42:24

tools. Yeah, I mean, I

42:26

can't. I don't know if

42:28

they knew the

42:30

metallurgy of these materials that

42:32

they found, but

42:34

they had

42:36

a material that they could shape, and they shaped

42:38

it into a dagger. But

42:41

we don't know if they shaped it into

42:43

tools or shaped it into some other things.

42:45

This piece says that the iron plate right

42:47

here says it was unlikely that it was

42:49

a byproduct of copper smelting operations. It was

42:51

badly corroded. The outer layer of the

42:53

iron had been badly corroded and now formed a standard

42:56

iron iron oxide. Significant proportions of gold

42:58

were found in one of the oxidized layers, and

43:00

the plate may originally have been gold-plated. New

43:03

data coupled with the original

43:05

archaeological information strongly suggests the iron plate

43:07

is contemporary with the building of the

43:09

pyramid and that it is, therefore, one

43:11

of the oldest known pieces of iron.

43:14

Yeah, I think Petri described

43:16

it as having new

43:19

malites that had somehow

43:22

been deposited on the surface. So

43:25

at least that's some evidence of iron in the

43:28

Great Pyramid. But what

43:31

iron was it smelted? Right. That's

43:33

the question. Did they have the capability of

43:36

doing that? And when? Right,

43:38

and when. So it's

43:42

just pure speculation as to what they use

43:44

for the core. What is the conventional thought

43:46

as to how they made these vases? I

43:52

mean, there are

43:54

demonstrations of crafting ancient

43:56

vases. But

43:59

I think... This

44:01

recent research and the

44:04

discovery of the precision of them, which

44:06

had always been a question

44:08

mark until just recently,

44:11

people would go through the

44:13

Cairo Museum or in any

44:16

museum in the world and they

44:18

would see these beautiful, finely

44:21

crafted artifacts

44:23

made out of igneous rock and

44:25

they looked extraordinarily precise. And

44:28

I've done that the same. I mean, I look at

44:30

them and I was like, wow, I'd like to get

44:32

one of those in my shop and

44:35

just check it out, you know, quality

44:38

inspection. And so

44:40

for years, that was a, for me,

44:42

it was like always a question. I

44:45

love to know how precise those

44:48

vases are. And

44:51

then in 2018, the

44:54

owner of that original vase, Adam

44:58

Young, he

45:00

came on the tour and he

45:02

befriended my son, Alex, and

45:05

they were talking about the vases. And

45:09

Alex was a quality

45:11

inspector, quality engineer to

45:14

the company that I worked at. Since he

45:16

worked at another company in Indianapolis. Now

45:21

I think he's working in

45:23

the metrology lab at Rolls

45:25

Royce in Indianapolis. And

45:27

so he's like, well, we should scan

45:30

them or do an inspection. So

45:35

Adam brought his vase down to

45:37

Indianapolis and to where

45:39

Alex was working and you got permission

45:41

from the managers at the shop to

45:44

do an inspection of them. And he

45:46

seems like, you know, you talk to

45:48

people, shop people, right? People who

45:50

are actually out there every day

45:53

making quality parts that

45:56

people, people's lives depend

45:58

on. You know, if you fly.

46:00

on an airplane and I

46:03

told one of the other, there's another owner of Vase, he's

46:05

got a lot of them, and I

46:07

told him, I said, you know, you're carrying

46:10

in your hand an artifact that is more

46:12

precise than some of the parts that

46:14

were installed in the

46:17

engine that was on the plane that

46:19

you flew in.

46:21

And he's like, wow,

46:25

okay, I mean that's where

46:27

you bring it home. And so all these

46:30

guys who are making these artifacts, right,

46:32

and they're held to exacting standards every

46:34

day, they can't slip up, they can't

46:37

make mistakes, you know,

46:39

there's no fudging or faking anything, otherwise

46:42

you'd be out on your ear, or people

46:45

would be falling out the skies. So

46:48

that's for those parts, and these artifacts were more

46:50

precise than that, which is just... Well,

46:52

not all of them, I mean there are parts in

46:54

an airplane, an engine or aircraft

46:56

engine, that are more precise, I

46:58

mean, oh, features, features

47:01

of the parts are more precise.

47:04

And that's where, and could I,

47:07

I want to explain something here,

47:09

because I think it's a very, very

47:12

important point, and

47:14

it has confused a lot of

47:16

people, really confused a

47:18

lot of people. The

47:22

part, any part that you

47:25

have, you know, whether

47:27

it's a something for your car, you

47:30

know, say a

47:32

crankshaft or something like that, right? Take a

47:36

crankshaft, it's got very

47:38

precise features

47:40

on it, and then

47:42

there are features that are not so

47:44

precise, because they

47:47

don't need to be. It all depends on

47:49

what the customer requirements

47:51

are. So they don't build

47:55

precision or

47:57

require precision in a...

48:00

product where it's not needed. That's

48:04

just not just waste of time. It just

48:06

makes it more expensive. But

48:08

now you have, you know, people

48:10

who are looking

48:13

at some of these artifacts like

48:15

the boxes in the Serapim and

48:18

they're finding imprecise

48:22

areas of the

48:24

boxes. The

48:26

photograph of me inside one

48:29

of those boxes were they were the

48:32

tool makers precision square. I

48:34

mean there's nothing, nothing

48:37

simpler right? You take a square, you stick it

48:39

out and you check to see if it's

48:43

square. If the surface is flat, is

48:45

it square? Yeah, that's fine. And

48:48

now you've got guys going around on the outside

48:50

of the box and

48:52

finding inaccuracies, some areas

48:55

inside boxes that have inaccuracies.

48:58

And now they're calling me a liar.

49:01

They say that I faked and fudged

49:03

measurements. Right?

49:05

It's like, I don't know, the

49:08

cancel culture they want to get

49:11

away from. So what is there the beef?

49:14

Like you used a square and

49:17

you measured things and you found them to be

49:19

precise. And I said, holy shit, look at this.

49:21

And what are they using? Before

49:24

me. What equipment are they

49:27

using that's showing that your

49:29

equipment, what your measurements are,

49:32

were inaccurate? They

49:34

are not. They don't

49:36

go to the area and show that the

49:40

area that I was checking is

49:42

imprecise. They will find some

49:45

other area that is less precise,

49:47

point to that and

49:51

lead the viewer to believe

49:53

that that defines

49:55

everything. Right. So

49:57

everything is not precise.

50:00

but much of it is. Yes.

50:03

Okay. Yeah. And

50:05

the areas that aren't necessary to be precise, like the

50:07

outside of the box, are not as precise as the

50:09

inside, so we're saying? They don't have to be. Right.

50:12

They don't have to be. Right. So

50:14

when it comes to precision, like the

50:17

precision of the faces, for instance.

50:19

Yeah. And some of

50:21

the sculptures. Right. What is the conventional

50:23

explanation for how precise they are? Because

50:26

these are massive faces

50:28

that were supposedly carved

50:31

by hand, but the

50:33

accuracy on either side

50:35

of the face is so phenomenal.

50:38

Yeah. Like, bizarrely so. Like,

50:40

how accurate? Well,

50:43

exactly. We

50:46

don't know. But, I

50:48

mean, as far as the

50:51

methods that I used, which

50:53

is like 2D

50:55

photography, and then

50:58

comparing features in the computer

51:00

for symmetry, you know, and

51:03

some geometric features.

51:06

Nobody had done that before. And

51:09

so I come along, you know, I said,

51:12

wow, this is actually kind of hit me.

51:16

The first time I went to Egypt, when I was at Zakara,

51:18

I was looking down the length of the

51:20

statue of Ramses at the

51:22

Open Air Museum there. And

51:25

they said, well, the nostrils

51:27

are extraordinarily symmetrical. I

51:29

mean, they match. Right? Most

51:32

people's nostrils are different if you

51:34

look at them. And

51:37

so, yeah, that's my photograph. There's

51:40

the measurements on each side. They're

51:42

exact. Yeah, they're as exact as

51:44

I could make them. But, you

51:47

know, I qualify

51:53

the work that I did by saying, this

51:56

is not the

51:58

final answer. there needs

52:00

to be more

52:03

sophisticated measurements taken, more

52:06

accurate measurements taken. They

52:08

need to be scanned and

52:11

then they need to be analyzed where

52:15

you have a precise scan,

52:17

where you're not trusting

52:20

your eyes, you're

52:22

actually trusting the tried and true

52:26

development of laser

52:29

scanners. But at the very least,

52:31

the amount of symmetry that exists

52:34

in these massive statues is spectacular.

52:37

It's mind-blowing. I

52:39

can't even express it. It's

52:41

absolutely mind-blowing. You look at that one

52:43

with the... How large are these that

52:45

we're talking about? Well,

52:50

the one that I measured

52:53

was... The first one was

52:55

at the Luxor Museum and it's outside.

52:58

I would say probably four

53:00

feet or something. But

53:04

there's very large ones too, right? Just

53:06

like the face and the headdress. There

53:11

are larger ones, yes. I think

53:13

the one that was

53:16

taken from the Ramesseum and

53:19

is now in the British Museum was a

53:22

large statue. How

53:25

big was that? I think,

53:27

well, they say that the statues at

53:29

the Ramesseum

53:31

weigh up to a thousand

53:35

tons. I'm not sure. But they're really big,

53:37

really big. A

53:39

thousand tons. Look at that face. Well, I

53:42

want to say, yeah, a thousand tons. But

53:44

I would say they were

53:46

extremely heavy. Now, what is the conventional

53:48

speculation as to how the symmetry was

53:51

achieved? I've

53:54

heard different ideas where

53:57

you take a mirror and then you kind

53:59

of match. it, you know, when

54:01

you guide your hand. And another

54:04

one where you take a pointer

54:08

and you set a depth and

54:10

then you transfer that from one

54:13

side to the other. And

54:16

those are, you know, I mean, I don't

54:23

know anybody who is a, you

54:25

know, precision manufacturer who would

54:28

accept such an explanation. And really

54:31

at the end of the day you have to say,

54:34

okay, well show me and

54:36

we'll match, you know, show

54:38

me and we'll

54:42

check yours and compare it

54:44

to the original. That's the

54:46

only way to solve the problem. And

54:49

so this is just one

54:51

example of one of the

54:53

mind-blowing mysteries involved

54:55

in this culture. That they

54:57

had some kind of

54:59

capability of not just doing that

55:02

and not just making the vases but also

55:04

making the pyramids themselves, which

55:06

are beyond comprehension. They shoot. I mean,

55:09

you know, the thing is that you

55:11

have, I don't think, I

55:13

wouldn't say, not all engineers think alike. Well.

55:17

But I don't,

55:19

I've never been with an engineer who

55:21

has examined this subject

55:23

and been to Egypt

55:27

that is not absolutely

55:29

blown away by what

55:31

they're seeing. And they're

55:35

saying, no, no, you

55:38

can't do it by hand. You can't hold those

55:40

kind of tolerances by hand. You

55:43

look at the Ramsey statue and you look at

55:45

the symmetry, it's not two-dimensional symmetry.

55:47

I mean, I was just

55:49

measuring a two-dimensional photograph. It's

55:52

not two-dimensional, it's three-dimensional. So

55:54

that radius that you see going

55:56

around the jawline is moving

55:59

in three axes. right? XYZ.

56:02

And you're still coming up with a radius,

56:05

perfect radius. Crazy. Nuts.

56:10

Yeah. So

56:13

let's go to the pyramid itself.

56:15

So you have a very fascinating

56:17

hypothesis as to what the pyramid

56:19

or theory, as to what the

56:21

pyramid actually was. And

56:25

it's based on where the supposed

56:27

King's Chamber is, where

56:29

those passages go through into it.

56:33

And what do you think that

56:35

thing was? Well,

56:38

my first book pretty much describes what I

56:40

thought it was in 1998, which was a

56:42

power plant. The

56:46

book is entitled The Giza Power

56:48

Plant. My second book has

56:51

evolved and I describe it as

56:56

an electron harvester. So it's kind

56:58

of like, you

57:01

could describe it as both. And

57:03

today, when you do, or

57:08

people in any

57:10

decade, they think of a

57:12

power plant and then they see these huge

57:15

chimneys with smokestacks. Or

57:17

a new plant. Yeah, or a

57:20

new plant, or a power plant,

57:22

dirty, nasty, unclean. But

57:25

an electron harvester, clean,

57:28

pollution free, not a problem. Has that

57:31

been achieved conventionally? I mean, today, is

57:35

there a thing called an electron

57:37

harvester? I

57:39

think that actually, when

57:42

you look at a generator, that's an

57:44

electron harvester, because we don't create electrons,

57:46

we just harvest them. It's just how

57:48

we do it. And so, when

57:52

you say an electron

57:55

harvester, you could say that, you know,

58:00

Say a wind gen we

58:02

have a windmill. Mm-hmm. You have a

58:04

generator inside it and then you're

58:06

collecting electrons of the

58:08

commutator in a generator and

58:11

that's where the electricity comes in. That's where

58:13

that's your electricity, right? Or hydroelectric you do

58:15

I love the water. Yeah, you don't you

58:17

don't create the like you just Release

58:21

them you harvest it from a product.

58:23

Yeah, I was through a process and

58:25

the process that you think they used

58:27

in the Great Pyramid Pyramid involved those

58:29

shafts It involves

58:31

a lot of things. Yeah, it's not just one

58:33

single thing. It's the system Not

58:35

not a single thing. So when you look

58:37

at a photo of that Do we have

58:39

a photo of the pyramids and

58:41

the shafts and where the King's Chamber is where you

58:44

I know you've described this before Mm-hmm.

58:47

Do you have a photo? I do it's

58:49

uh, it's in the Okay,

58:53

this is perfect this works Yeah,

58:55

that works So these

58:58

names the King's Chamber and the Queen's Chamber

59:00

You don't think that that's actually a King's

59:02

Chamber or Queen's Chamber you think it's something

59:05

else Well out of respect to the Egyptians.

59:07

I call it what they call them. Yeah,

59:10

but I do have a different terminology

59:13

for them as they function

59:16

Now the initial surface of

59:18

the Great Pyramid is covered

59:20

in smooth limestone right,

59:23

so it's polished and shiny and Apparently

59:26

it would collect insane amounts

59:28

of light the well

59:30

the outer surface of the the

59:32

Great Pyramid Mostly is missing right

59:35

but it has been described as

59:37

if it if it was finished and

59:41

Depending on the polish that it received. Yeah, I

59:43

could It could reflect

59:45

a lot of light the

59:49

Do you think that that had something to

59:51

do with the design of this power

59:53

plant? I don't think I don't

59:56

there. I don't think there's any part of that

59:58

pyramid that did not have did

1:00:00

not serve a practical

1:00:03

function. Okay, so this is

1:00:05

the image that you have here and

1:00:07

what this image shows us is the

1:00:09

King's Chamber, the various shafts, the southern

1:00:11

shaft, the northern shaft, and these shafts

1:00:13

have been described as portals to stars

1:00:16

because people have looked up through there

1:00:18

and you go through the shaft you

1:00:20

see stars, but what you're

1:00:22

saying is something entirely different. What

1:00:24

do you think these shafts were

1:00:26

for? Well I think they

1:00:28

serve two different purposes, actually

1:00:32

four different purposes if you will, because

1:00:37

in the theory

1:00:39

that I propose, which is I

1:00:42

don't know it's a speculation, the

1:00:46

whole process is kind of

1:00:48

like a heuristic process where

1:00:50

you're grabbing information, you're moving

1:00:52

air, it doesn't matter what

1:00:56

source you're getting it

1:00:58

from, because when you

1:01:00

are looking for answers you

1:01:03

look everywhere, you try and find,

1:01:05

you look everywhere. So when

1:01:07

I was going through the

1:01:09

process of trying to figure

1:01:12

it out, I was collecting

1:01:14

information from everywhere. For

1:01:17

the southern shaft and the northern shaft of

1:01:20

the Queen's Chamber,

1:01:23

that was a huge mystery to me

1:01:26

and I

1:01:29

tried to fit it into

1:01:33

what were they doing? I mean if you

1:01:36

look at the details, the facts of

1:01:38

their design and what the ancient Egyptians

1:01:40

were doing, why they designed them that

1:01:43

way, you have two conduits

1:01:45

coming into a chamber but they're not

1:01:47

connected to the chamber. We

1:01:52

didn't even know they existed until 1872 for Weyman

1:01:54

Dixon. So,

1:02:02

they're coming into the chamber, but they don't

1:02:04

enter into the chamber, so they stop. Their

1:02:08

original design

1:02:11

had the shafts

1:02:15

ending five inches before

1:02:19

coming into the chamber. So you

1:02:21

had like five inches of limestone

1:02:24

that was left in the block. So

1:02:26

did someone remove that limestone? Yes.

1:02:29

Why did they do that? Weyman Dixon.

1:02:31

Because they were examining the

1:02:34

chamber and they were poking around.

1:02:37

And Weyman Dixon, it is reported,

1:02:40

so the legend goes, noticed

1:02:43

a crack in the wall. And

1:02:45

so he took a rod and pushed it through

1:02:47

the crack. And the

1:02:49

rod, it didn't meet any resistors, it

1:02:51

kept going. So he

1:02:54

had his worker come in. Bill

1:02:57

Grundy with a hammer and chisel and

1:03:00

say, chisel the limestone around

1:03:03

that. Yeah, people are stupid.

1:03:07

Well they didn't

1:03:09

have ultrasonic thickness. No, but still, goddamn,

1:03:11

to have the arrogance to go and

1:03:13

chip away at the pyramid because you're

1:03:16

serious. Look at Howard Vy. I

1:03:20

don't care for revisionist historians

1:03:22

because you have to consider

1:03:25

what people were doing. Their

1:03:27

mindset in the day. And

1:03:30

then I try to look at

1:03:32

it on the bright side. I don't look

1:03:34

at it as a negative thing because if

1:03:37

somebody hadn't opened up those chests, we wouldn't know

1:03:39

about them. And

1:03:41

it's the same with the chambers

1:03:43

above the king's chamber. Without

1:03:46

Howard Vy's and his military

1:03:49

expedition blasting his way up

1:03:52

into the pyramid, we wouldn't know

1:03:54

about them either. You won't be able to... There's

1:03:57

a lot there. I think there's a lot there right

1:03:59

now. now, and it's

1:04:01

been investigated now, but

1:04:04

there's things that have

1:04:07

been revealed through scanning, like

1:04:09

muography, the scan

1:04:12

pyramid project. They

1:04:14

found that large void above the

1:04:16

Grand Gallery. Right. Which

1:04:19

is larger than the King's Chamber, right? It's

1:04:23

longer than the King's Chamber, yeah. And so that's

1:04:25

not even represented here on this? It's about the

1:04:27

size of the cabin on a Boeing 707. Wow.

1:04:33

So if these shafts came through

1:04:35

and then they met limestone at the end,

1:04:37

what do you think was going on? In

1:04:44

order to answer that question, I

1:04:48

had to look at the rest

1:04:50

of the pyramid, okay? What

1:04:53

was it doing? And how

1:04:55

was it functioning? And so one of the

1:04:58

key pieces of evidence

1:05:01

that I used

1:05:04

to propose a

1:05:07

process that was going on is

1:05:09

the Northern shaft. And

1:05:12

the Northern shaft has

1:05:14

dimensions and

1:05:16

has an appearance that

1:05:19

is similar to a waveguide that

1:05:21

you would use for microwaves. And

1:05:24

the dimensions of it would

1:05:27

be approximate wavelength

1:05:29

of hydrogen. Explain

1:05:33

a waveguide. How does that work?

1:05:36

Yeah. It's like a waveguide

1:05:38

is to

1:05:40

transmit microwaves, electromagnetic

1:05:44

energy, you know, in the

1:05:46

microwave region. And

1:05:49

it is passed more

1:05:51

efficiently through like

1:05:53

a tube or a waveguide. That's

1:05:57

what they use. I mean, they're

1:05:59

very complicated. systems. And

1:06:03

so how did this represent in your mind

1:06:05

what a waveguide looks like? Actually

1:06:09

the idea of a waveguide came

1:06:11

to me from a guy. We

1:06:19

were talking about the

1:06:21

pyramids and I used to carry

1:06:23

a schematic of the great pyramid in

1:06:27

my back pocket and I made

1:06:29

an engineer and I go, hey, hey, come

1:06:31

here. I start going through.

1:06:33

So what do you think about this? Because

1:06:36

I was looking for answers,

1:06:38

suggestions, brainstorming, anything, right? So

1:06:43

these shafts right here, and he

1:06:45

looks at it and he

1:06:47

was into electronics, electronic engineering and

1:06:49

he's like, hmm, they

1:06:51

look like waveguides to me. And I thought, well,

1:06:55

that's interesting. They

1:06:57

look like waveguides. Okay. What

1:07:00

if they are waveguides? How did they function?

1:07:02

I mean, what were they used for? What

1:07:05

were they using waveguides for in

1:07:07

ancient Egypt? And

1:07:10

so I started to go down that rabbit hole

1:07:14

and that led me to the Queens Chamber

1:07:16

and I said, okay, waveguides, you need a

1:07:18

medium, you need microwaves

1:07:20

to go through a waveguide. What

1:07:24

frequency of microwave was it, right?

1:07:27

And you look at the dimensions and

1:07:30

you come up with a match for

1:07:32

hydrogen. Oh. How do you do that?

1:07:35

How do you come up with a match for hydrogen through the

1:07:37

dimensions? Yeah. Yeah. The

1:07:40

wavelength of hydrogen is

1:07:42

8.309 inches and the width

1:07:44

of the northern shaft is 8.4 inches.

1:07:58

And a waveguide... generally

1:08:01

has the

1:08:03

wavelength and then

1:08:05

about half of the wavelength in

1:08:08

height. So it's a rectangular shaft.

1:08:11

Just like all the shafts are. Right.

1:08:13

Yeah. And the, well, the, yeah, the

1:08:15

Queen's Chamber shaft is a little more

1:08:17

square than the King's Chamber shaft. So

1:08:20

the different function? Different function, yeah. So

1:08:22

these wave guides, you believe, what are

1:08:24

they collecting and

1:08:26

where are they getting it from? Good

1:08:31

question, Joe. They

1:08:34

had, we

1:08:36

are bombarded with microwaves

1:08:40

every day. I mean,

1:08:42

it's the signal from, they say, the

1:08:44

Big Bang. And, you know,

1:08:46

it comes from atomic hydrogen

1:08:51

out in the universe, in our

1:08:53

space. So we're being bombarded and

1:08:55

you believe that these passages are

1:08:57

collecting this. Yeah. So

1:09:00

anyway, so then you say, okay, if

1:09:03

we build a device and we say, okay,

1:09:05

and we want to energize

1:09:07

hydrogen, we bring

1:09:09

it to a higher energy state and

1:09:12

just like, you know, in a laser where

1:09:15

you have microwave

1:09:18

amplification through stimulated emission,

1:09:20

like so. So

1:09:24

if we want to collect energy that is

1:09:26

in a gaseous medium,

1:09:29

say that is hydrogen medium and

1:09:31

the electrons in the hydrogen are pumped

1:09:34

up to a higher energy state and

1:09:36

we want to collect the energy in

1:09:38

that, introduce a

1:09:40

microwave signal, direct

1:09:42

it through that gas and stimulate

1:09:44

the emission of the energy, collect

1:09:46

that energy and shoot it up

1:09:48

a sudden shaft. And so

1:09:50

that was like, okay, that might work.

1:09:54

So what kind of gas? Hydrogen. And

1:09:57

so where are you getting the hydrogen from? Queen's

1:09:59

Chamber. So, there's hydrogen in the Queens

1:10:01

Chamber, and how does it get in there? The

1:10:05

shafts. But it

1:10:07

doesn't come in as hydrogen. That's

1:10:09

a part of the

1:10:12

theory in the Giza Power Plant was that

1:10:15

there are two chemicals that

1:10:18

are introduced into the chamber, and

1:10:22

the chemicals mix, and they boil off

1:10:24

hydrogen. And these

1:10:26

chemicals are just coming from the

1:10:28

radioactive waves of space? No, no,

1:10:31

no. The chemicals, I believe, are

1:10:35

manufactured and delivered to

1:10:37

those shafts and coming through. Okay. So,

1:10:40

they add some sort of chemicals to it. And

1:10:43

what function does the limestone have at the

1:10:45

end that keeps it from going into the

1:10:47

Kings Chamber? It keeps it blocked off. To

1:10:51

answer that question, I was having a chat with

1:10:53

a civil

1:10:55

engineer who was putting in

1:10:57

a septic system for me,

1:10:59

and so with

1:11:02

a leach field. And he was doing

1:11:04

a percolation test. This

1:11:08

is in Indiana. Indiana

1:11:10

is known for its fine limestone.

1:11:13

His name was Roland Dove, a

1:11:16

city engineer. And I asked him, I said,

1:11:18

well, what

1:11:20

do you do? How does this function

1:11:23

if you are in an

1:11:25

area where there's not much

1:11:27

topsoil? You scrape

1:11:29

away maybe a foot of topsoil,

1:11:32

and then you're on

1:11:34

the bedrock. What

1:11:37

do you do then? And he

1:11:40

said, well, limestone is permeable.

1:11:45

Basically, you follow the same steps that

1:11:47

you would as if you were digging

1:11:50

into earth. You know,

1:11:53

just dirt. You

1:11:56

dig a hole. You cut a hole

1:11:58

in the limestone, and you deter. I

1:12:00

mean how quickly

1:12:02

the water would disperse

1:12:04

or would actually seep

1:12:06

out. And

1:12:10

I was like, wow, okay. So

1:12:12

why I'm still actually the filter? Not

1:12:15

a filter. Well, I

1:12:17

mean it would have

1:12:19

filtered, yes, but definitely

1:12:22

the water would not just stay there.

1:12:25

Right, it would go through it. But

1:12:27

it would go through it at a certain rate.

1:12:29

And I said, okay, let me ask you this.

1:12:35

How would you determine the flow rate

1:12:37

of a column of water going through limestone? And

1:12:48

he said, well, that would depend on

1:12:50

the head pressure, how

1:12:53

much pressure, weight is pushing

1:12:56

against the limestone. Right.

1:12:59

And I go, aha, okay,

1:13:01

that's interesting. So then

1:13:04

I go back to the drawing boards. I go back

1:13:06

to my Blueprints of

1:13:08

the Great Pyramid and I'm looking at

1:13:11

the southern

1:13:14

northern shaft of the Queen's

1:13:16

Chamber and I see that both

1:13:18

of these shafts go

1:13:20

up to an area that nobody

1:13:23

knows where it goes. At

1:13:26

that time when I was doing research, nobody

1:13:30

knew where they ended. But

1:13:33

I was thinking, well, if

1:13:38

they are feeding a chemical, they would

1:13:40

need to be assured that

1:13:46

they can maintain a particular

1:13:49

head pressure. That would be calculated,

1:13:51

the weight of the column of

1:13:53

fluid. And essentially, as

1:13:55

these are on an angle, you know, your

1:13:59

calculation. may get a little more

1:14:01

complicated but you would figure it

1:14:03

out or you could do it by trial and

1:14:05

error. But

1:14:11

not all the evidence was in

1:14:14

to really kind of solidify that

1:14:16

theory, right? It's

1:14:20

like, okay, I've got this much data. This

1:14:22

is what I'm working with. There's

1:14:25

a lot of unknowns. I don't know. So

1:14:29

what do we do? And then

1:14:31

in 1993, a German

1:14:37

engineer, Rudolf Gantembrink, he

1:14:41

was invited to Egypt and he

1:14:43

was working under the

1:14:45

German mission in Cairo. He

1:14:53

had permission to, or they

1:14:55

wanted him to actually examine,

1:14:58

get a robot, examine all those

1:15:00

shafts that both the King's Chamber

1:15:02

and the Queen's Chamber, actually

1:15:06

no, mostly the King's Chamber. They wanted

1:15:08

to ventilate the pyramids and so they

1:15:11

wanted to make sure that the shafts

1:15:14

were clear and that when

1:15:17

they installed their fans that

1:15:19

there won't be any obstruction. And

1:15:22

so he built a robot to go through

1:15:25

these, clean the shafts

1:15:27

out and then install fans

1:15:29

in the King's Chamber. But it's always

1:15:31

been a mystery as

1:15:34

far as the Queen's Chamber shafts. Where did

1:15:36

they end? Nobody

1:15:40

knew. Nobody had explored them that well.

1:15:42

So he proposed that they

1:15:45

allow him to build another robot

1:15:47

and examine the shafts in the

1:15:51

Queen's Chamber, which he

1:15:53

did that. He had

1:15:55

a robot, they called it Uppuatu, Which

1:15:59

means that... Opening of the ways

1:16:01

right and so I with

1:16:04

his robot he had am.

1:16:07

In I had a tether behind

1:16:09

him and he knows and a

1:16:12

camera. Flights. And.

1:16:14

It crawl this way was like

1:16:16

attract Merkel and there was a

1:16:18

mechanism for the up a track

1:16:20

that caused it to grip the

1:16:22

ceiling and same and I was

1:16:25

able to climb up. Climb

1:16:27

up chef and they were looking for

1:16:29

where it ended. And

1:16:32

they found where it ended after

1:16:34

of in a few Ah. Kind

1:16:38

of obstacles Mom being a

1:16:40

mother, what he calls a

1:16:42

tank trap which was like

1:16:44

a depression and or floor

1:16:46

of the chef knew about

1:16:48

a drop of about two

1:16:50

inches. Which

1:16:52

is another story entirely. I don't think

1:16:54

that I don't think they are. The.

1:16:56

full truth of why that his i

1:16:59

am has with as been figured out

1:17:01

yet or explains but. They're.

1:17:03

Working on it. And

1:17:05

so his a robot when.so far

1:17:08

up the chef than they had

1:17:10

discovered that it there was a

1:17:12

block at the end of the

1:17:15

shaft and through the block go

1:17:17

to metal filings. Metal.

1:17:19

Metal. Metal. Ah,

1:17:22

We. Don't I don't know. So person has

1:17:24

gone up there and got a sample of.

1:17:26

it's really not just I wish to I

1:17:28

I don't know to some kind of metal

1:17:31

sites that they assume that they were cop

1:17:33

and how far is it from the outside

1:17:35

edge of the pyramid? Ah

1:17:37

I need to ask a market

1:17:39

questions. I don't have that information

1:17:42

from me but I would say

1:17:44

that if you are wanting to

1:17:46

reach the. The

1:17:49

end of the. Well

1:17:51

as others. Shaft is them.

1:17:53

The shortest route that you

1:17:55

you can take will be

1:17:57

through a horizontal passage that

1:17:59

goes die. It clear to the

1:18:01

outer surface of the great pyramid. Just.

1:18:04

A horizontal pass A after going

1:18:06

up going down transylvania image against

1:18:08

these. So

1:18:11

on what we're looking at. When

1:18:13

you're seeing the shafts. Sand.

1:18:18

And wars. I

1:18:26

want to see where looks like on the

1:18:29

outside their that one? Yeah so. So

1:18:32

say it again. what would be less with

1:18:34

actually? I mean if you go to the

1:18:36

end of the chef and your survey a

1:18:38

short hop or is on full. Chef

1:18:41

going of passage going out to

1:18:44

the. Go. Out

1:18:46

to the out of phase have you had

1:18:48

have a show at a distance and if

1:18:50

you end. Up. Or

1:18:53

down so that will be the

1:18:55

ideal. Place. To

1:18:58

have access to us. But

1:19:01

it doesn't go as is. This makes it

1:19:03

look like it goes all the way to

1:19:05

the outside edge of the pyramids. That's not

1:19:07

the case what the queen show misha know

1:19:09

the kings chamber shaft of am a chef

1:19:12

does go to the it goes all the

1:19:14

way out and I was all about to

1:19:16

the outside. Okay and so the queen's chamber

1:19:18

shaft it if it stops quite a bit

1:19:20

before the outside edge to pay right arm

1:19:22

so both of them function in a different

1:19:25

way. This and so you feel like and

1:19:27

kings chamber shafted something was poured in some

1:19:29

kind of chemicals is poured. In a

1:19:31

densely out and was chef Queen Sam a shaft

1:19:33

here but not the king. Stamina get not the

1:19:36

king said. Okay so the Queen's Chamber shaft. What

1:19:38

is the difference in why do you think those

1:19:40

chemicals Port of Man nodded to the Kings chamber.

1:19:44

Because the. The

1:19:46

Christian who was area a reaction chambers

1:19:48

so that's where the cut the get

1:19:51

hydrogen was produced. the

1:19:53

hydrogen sell the interior spaces

1:19:55

of the the great pyramids

1:19:58

and also which income the

1:20:00

King's Chamber. And

1:20:02

then through the Freund

1:20:08

effect, which we can talk about,

1:20:10

and that's the release of electrons

1:20:12

from the lithosphere, or

1:20:15

the accumulation of

1:20:17

vibration, or the collection

1:20:19

of vibration. And

1:20:22

how it was

1:20:24

centered, or focused into

1:20:27

the King's Chamber, it

1:20:29

created a highly energized atmosphere.

1:20:32

So it was...

1:20:34

Have they found access to the northern

1:20:37

and southern shafts in the Queen's

1:20:39

Chamber? To

1:20:42

the shafts? Have they found access where the Egyptians

1:20:44

would have been able to pour chemicals into those?

1:20:47

No, not yet. But

1:20:49

they have found something that's not represented

1:20:52

on this image, another chamber,

1:20:56

which is more recent. Right. I mean, my

1:20:59

new book has updated images in

1:21:01

it to describe what

1:21:05

new has been discovered. And that new

1:21:07

chamber is above the King's Chamber, is

1:21:09

that correct? It's

1:21:12

actually above the Grand

1:21:15

Gallery. Okay. And it

1:21:17

kind of wraps around, or is

1:21:20

close to the northern

1:21:23

shaft. That's

1:21:26

an interesting place

1:21:29

for it to be too, which

1:21:31

prompted my research associate,

1:21:33

Eric Wilson, who is a

1:21:35

aerospace engineer, to suggest that

1:21:38

that actually feature, if it is

1:21:41

what he thinks it is, would

1:21:43

complete my theory, because

1:21:45

it would serve as a preamp for

1:21:51

the microwave. So the microwave... He said that

1:21:53

was the thing that was missing in my

1:21:55

theory, was that there was no preamp.

1:21:58

So is there an image that we... We can look

1:22:00

at the shows where this new chamber,

1:22:02

the newly discovered, I should say, chamber.

1:22:05

Could I take a break? Yes, sure, sure, sure. I

1:22:07

need to go to ... Yeah, absolutely. We'll

1:22:09

be right back. All right.

1:22:12

So you were just discussing

1:22:15

the chambers and how

1:22:17

you believe fluid was

1:22:20

in the shafts of the

1:22:22

Queen's Chamber and that

1:22:24

it somehow or another created hydrogen

1:22:26

with these chemicals. How

1:22:29

is the microwave going through

1:22:31

those chambers if it's blocked off

1:22:33

from the outside? Is it penetrating

1:22:35

through the stone? Well,

1:22:39

it doesn't go into the Queen's

1:22:41

Chamber, so that's through

1:22:43

the King's Chamber shafts, which are

1:22:46

open. Okay, so the King's Chamber

1:22:48

shafts is what's collecting the microwaves.

1:22:50

The Queen's Chamber shafts have what

1:22:52

you believe some chemicals in there.

1:22:55

Right. And then what is

1:22:57

happening with those chemicals? They're mixing and

1:22:59

boiling off hydrogen. Okay, so

1:23:01

they're creating hydrogen. Right. And

1:23:04

what is the function of the space in those

1:23:06

shafts? Does that help the chemical process? Is that

1:23:08

what it is? The space

1:23:10

in the shafts. Where they're filling them up with

1:23:12

liquid? Oh, yes. That

1:23:16

is predetermined to

1:23:19

make sure that they maintain their

1:23:21

head pressure. The

1:23:26

fittings or the metal fittings I

1:23:29

describe as switches,

1:23:32

like fluid switches. So

1:23:35

when the fluid or the

1:23:37

chemical was covering those metal

1:23:43

fittings, I call

1:23:45

them electrodes, there

1:23:48

would be a closed circuit. When

1:23:52

the fluid level drops, it

1:23:55

would open the circuit and

1:23:57

signal the lead for more chemicals to be pumped

1:23:59

in. in order to maintain the

1:24:01

head pressure, in order to make sure

1:24:03

that there is an accurate supply

1:24:06

of that chemical. And

1:24:09

so that chemical would pool up inside

1:24:11

of the Queen's Chamber? It

1:24:14

would probably, yes. I mean, we don't,

1:24:16

there's a lot that is missing from

1:24:18

the Queen's Chamber. You

1:24:20

have a niche in

1:24:23

the east wall. We

1:24:27

don't know what that was for. I

1:24:29

suspect that it had something to do

1:24:31

with, it may

1:24:33

have been an evaporation tower or something

1:24:35

like that where the

1:24:38

chemicals mixed and wicked

1:24:40

up through some materials and

1:24:43

maybe it dried. Can

1:24:47

you show me the image again, please? So

1:24:49

here we have, so there's the

1:24:52

chemicals that are in the shafts.

1:24:56

You have the Queen's Chamber which is collecting

1:24:58

the hydrogen and then what

1:25:00

happens into the King's Chamber? Oh,

1:25:05

while that is going on, the

1:25:07

Queen, the King's Chamber is vibrating

1:25:12

in sympathy with the

1:25:14

Earth and

1:25:16

it has, it becomes,

1:25:19

it is actually a coupled oscillator with

1:25:21

the Earth. How so? How

1:25:24

does that work? Well entering a coupled

1:25:26

oscillator is a device that's attached to

1:25:28

a larger vibrating device

1:25:32

and is in sympathy with the King's

1:25:34

Chamber. What is causing the

1:25:36

King's Chamber to vibrate? The

1:25:40

passage of vibration through

1:25:42

the pyramid. Of the Earth? Of

1:25:46

the Earth, which is assisted. It's

1:25:50

coupled by using what I call

1:25:52

a Tesla device

1:25:55

in the subterranean

1:25:57

chamber because you've got a lot

1:25:59

of energy. three, four, you've got

1:26:01

several systems in there, right? So

1:26:04

if you've got the subterranean chamber, that

1:26:09

serves one function. You go up to the

1:26:11

Queen's Chamber, that serves another function. You go

1:26:13

up to the King's Chamber, that serves another

1:26:15

function. And in between, you

1:26:17

have the Grand Gallery, the Ascending

1:26:20

Passage, the Descending Passage, all of

1:26:22

these things are

1:26:24

there for a reason. And

1:26:26

so the subterranean chamber, how

1:26:29

do you think that worked? I

1:26:31

would speculate that, and

1:26:34

actually if you read

1:26:36

Tesla and some of his

1:26:38

writings, he suggests that with

1:26:42

a very little energy, you

1:26:44

could build

1:26:46

a device that

1:26:49

imparts energy

1:26:51

or thrusts into a

1:26:53

structure. And if it

1:26:55

is in harmony or

1:26:58

the exact frequency with that

1:27:00

structure, it could bring

1:27:02

the structure down just

1:27:04

by an accumulation of

1:27:07

energy, of vibration. The amplitude

1:27:09

would keep. And if

1:27:11

you kept pounding, getting pounding, getting pounding,

1:27:13

eventually it would all come down. I

1:27:17

mean, that's why they

1:27:21

instructed soldiers when they're on the march to

1:27:23

break step, when they cross a

1:27:25

bridge, because their

1:27:28

footsteps might cause

1:27:31

the bridge to oscillate and

1:27:34

destroy. It's a very destructive

1:27:36

force, this frequency. Oscillated

1:27:43

vibration. So

1:27:47

what kind of device in

1:27:49

the subterranean chamber would do that? He

1:27:52

built a device that

1:27:54

delivers thrusts and powers.

1:27:56

It was an electromagnetic earthquake machine,

1:27:59

it's called. Right?

1:28:01

Who are you could do is

1:28:03

a polite throw mechanical today. Electoral

1:28:05

hydraulic those are you know. just

1:28:08

added in but it has. You

1:28:10

have to be able to time

1:28:12

the action. And so

1:28:15

okay. You think of it like you've

1:28:17

got you've got to devise. He got

1:28:19

a cylinder chef coming out of it.

1:28:22

And. He got a hammer. Are you

1:28:24

gonna? You know, Cop. Pad

1:28:26

or whatever. The end of

1:28:28

it as. You

1:28:31

design it so that that

1:28:33

shaft is going to push

1:28:35

out. At a particular

1:28:37

frequency so he like a piss boom.

1:28:40

Boom! Boom! Boom!

1:28:42

And. So you put it again.

1:28:44

Say structure That structure as an

1:28:47

act. Natural frequency. right?

1:28:49

All structures do. You

1:28:53

might hit one with the first and don't think

1:28:55

it had. You know it would resonate and all.

1:28:57

But if you go, The

1:28:59

first the first tried.

1:29:02

May. Impact have enough energy

1:29:04

to move something maybe at a

1:29:06

couple of Angstroms, right And so

1:29:08

it's like very, very minute movement

1:29:11

France The next one will move

1:29:13

it a little more than you

1:29:15

just keep pounding it. Just.

1:29:17

Keep pounding it. And. As

1:29:19

you pound it they also lesions

1:29:22

become bigger, the amplitude becomes bigger

1:29:24

and if you keep doing it.

1:29:28

He. Could bring bring the yeah the whole thing

1:29:30

that so the key is to. Do

1:29:33

it at a rate that is

1:29:35

able to utilize the hydrogen. Well.

1:29:38

Utilize this point. Hydrogen has nothing

1:29:41

to do that for me. I

1:29:43

say this is just as a

1:29:45

totally separate subsystem. A doesn't care

1:29:47

if is Hydrogen and a paramedic.

1:29:49

This is our subsystem exists to

1:29:52

vibrate the king's just just to

1:29:54

connect the pyramids. Use it with

1:29:56

the yeah, fail cats. So. It's

1:29:59

it's vibrating. The Pyramid. There

1:30:01

and. The. The

1:30:03

hydrogen in the Queen's chamber

1:30:05

Now. It.

1:30:08

Makes it's way into the

1:30:10

Kings saber. Well yeah

1:30:12

some analysts say flows up through

1:30:14

the grab the along the hot

1:30:16

horizontal passage through the Grand Gallery

1:30:18

and up into the Kings' game.

1:30:21

Saw this is connected. follow Us

1:30:23

Canada So the the hydrogen goes

1:30:25

up. It goes in the Kings

1:30:27

Terror which is it? Phenomenal structure

1:30:29

right? thumb? Carved. Out

1:30:31

of granite from five hundred miles

1:30:33

away, massive stones. The biggest towns

1:30:36

in the pyramid correct rights and

1:30:38

so. What happens with the

1:30:40

vibration of the pyramid? Through this this

1:30:43

thing is connected to the earth and

1:30:45

subterranean chamber of constantly hitting Boom boom

1:30:47

boom vibrating. Heard a hydrogen flows who?

1:30:49

The great chamber the great that the

1:30:52

did the eating samurai the king same

1:30:54

as vibrating and then you have these

1:30:56

shasta that come from the outside of

1:30:59

the kings chamber intuit by what's happening

1:31:01

now. Okay, well

1:31:03

let's let's go back to.

1:31:06

The. us up subterranean like

1:31:08

okay and unless talk about

1:31:10

not what happens in the

1:31:12

pyramid. But. What

1:31:14

Is Happening And The Earth

1:31:17

or Cameron? This is where

1:31:19

we introduced Tesla technology. And

1:31:22

are also the work of a

1:31:24

supper Nasa physicists called Freedom and

1:31:27

froind to skip that, the methods

1:31:29

and. So. Freedom

1:31:31

and Primed of has done or it

1:31:34

Did a did research on earthquake lies.

1:31:37

And. His

1:31:39

objective was to try

1:31:41

to determine. If

1:31:43

we could detects of

1:31:45

we could have an

1:31:47

early warning system for

1:31:49

earthquakes and he was

1:31:51

using Nasa satellite to

1:31:54

ah survey the earth

1:31:56

and to observe for

1:31:58

well when. Of. The

1:32:00

lights. A show up! And

1:32:03

his. His

1:32:07

theory is not really a theory

1:32:09

is, say, scientific. Fact.

1:32:14

Is that? And layer

1:32:16

and the minerals as igneous rock.

1:32:19

That. You have these positive charge

1:32:21

carriers that when. They. Are

1:32:24

stressed. That

1:32:26

will shoot to the surface and

1:32:28

positive charge carries. Like to call

1:32:30

him host A. He describes it

1:32:32

as a as a new physics

1:32:35

but is gonna related to semiconductor

1:32:37

physics which is a little above

1:32:39

my head. but they are but

1:32:41

it's but still. he's talking about

1:32:44

releasing electrons from deep within the

1:32:46

earth. And those electrons when they're

1:32:48

stimulated to move, they move very

1:32:50

very quickly through the pyramid. Ha.

1:32:52

I mean. How foolish arrests and

1:32:55

and they seek the highest point.

1:32:58

Ah on the surface of

1:33:00

their so you have Tesla

1:33:03

Months site and he saying

1:33:05

that if. If

1:33:07

you occurred. Palais.

1:33:09

I like an earthquake machine and just

1:33:12

drive. In. Our

1:33:14

frequency into the planet. You

1:33:16

might be able to release

1:33:18

the stresses in the earth's

1:33:20

crust. And also

1:33:23

reduce the a possibility

1:33:25

you have an earthquake. And.

1:33:28

I'm not saying eliminated

1:33:30

entirely, but at least.

1:33:33

He would release some pressure. Yeah, you

1:33:35

really? sometimes you. And

1:33:38

so you know with with

1:33:40

that at some have become the

1:33:42

if he putting these little

1:33:44

bits of despair information together

1:33:46

and you combine them he say

1:33:49

maybe there's something here. I

1:33:51

think of you know the am. The

1:33:55

biggest discovery which. Is.

1:33:57

not talked about very much is

1:34:01

a as Freedom

1:34:03

of Thrawn's discovery

1:34:06

of the of

1:34:08

how the physics behind

1:34:10

earthquake lights and he actually he

1:34:15

actually experimented in his

1:34:17

lab you want that he

1:34:19

has a YouTube there's a YouTube video with

1:34:21

him he explains it a lot better do

1:34:23

you want to pull that up and watch it well

1:34:26

we could be some as we'll get flagged oh

1:34:29

okay then he uses YouTube video oh

1:34:33

okay all right so for

1:34:35

those you know are listening you

1:34:38

can search freedom of thrawn and

1:34:41

just for F-R-E-N-E-F-R-E-U-N-D

1:34:49

and TEDx talk in

1:34:51

Christchurch New Zealand so

1:34:53

that's an excellent video okay

1:34:55

explains it so something

1:34:58

is happening in this

1:35:00

subterranean chamber yep and

1:35:03

this something is

1:35:05

causing the pyramid and the

1:35:07

earth around it to vibrate mm-hmm and

1:35:10

how is that affecting the hydrogen and

1:35:12

how is that affecting what's what's happening

1:35:14

in the King's chamber okay

1:35:17

so you have a combination

1:35:19

of you've got two different

1:35:21

kinds of energy now flowing

1:35:23

through the great pyramid you've

1:35:25

got electro magnetic energy and

1:35:27

from the ground got mechanical energy right

1:35:30

right okay so you've got the mechanical

1:35:32

energy of this thing that's striking right

1:35:34

you have the passages that are filled

1:35:36

with chemicals that's causing the accumulation of

1:35:39

hydrogen the hydrogen is making its way

1:35:41

into the King's chamber and then what

1:35:43

is the function of these passageways that

1:35:45

go into the King's chamber from the

1:35:48

outside well the northern

1:35:50

shaft carries a microwave signal that

1:35:53

signal passes through a

1:35:56

amplifier and then the

1:35:58

safety the signal

1:36:00

enters into the

1:36:03

chamber and

1:36:05

collects the energy that has been

1:36:09

accumulating in that space. It's

1:36:11

like a laser or maser.

1:36:15

So the chambers are

1:36:18

collecting microwave energy from space. It's

1:36:21

going through them and it's going into the

1:36:23

chamber which is vibrating and it's

1:36:28

filled with hydrogen. So what

1:36:31

is this reaction that happens when these

1:36:33

two things meet? Okay,

1:36:36

the action of that is the same as

1:36:38

a laser where you have

1:36:42

the introduction of a

1:36:48

photon in a

1:36:50

laser. That photon passes

1:36:54

through an energized medium

1:36:57

where the electrons are

1:37:00

pumped to a higher energy state,

1:37:03

then the

1:37:05

photon collects another

1:37:08

photon and then another

1:37:10

one and it just builds and builds and builds

1:37:12

and builds. But it does it

1:37:15

at the speed of light obviously. And

1:37:17

so that's why when you say you

1:37:20

have a laser point, that process is

1:37:22

what happens

1:37:25

before the light appears on your slide

1:37:27

or whatever. You press the

1:37:29

button and it's kind of instant, right? But

1:37:31

there's a lot been a lot going on

1:37:34

since when you press that

1:37:36

button to create that laser light. I see,

1:37:38

but it just happens so fast.

1:37:40

Right. So this

1:37:44

King's chamber, when it has

1:37:47

the hydrogen in it, you

1:37:49

have the electrons, you have the vibration

1:37:52

of the thing, you have the microwaves

1:37:54

coming in. What do you think? You

1:37:56

have microwaves coming in but then you

1:37:58

have power output. power output.

1:38:01

Yeah, so the power output is the

1:38:04

the southern shaft and This

1:38:07

is where you there's another piece of

1:38:09

key evidence Jamie

1:38:11

could you show the slide that shows

1:38:14

the opening of the southern shaft, please?

1:38:22

It's crazy did this make sense well

1:38:27

I was trying to get there's a bunch of slides in

1:38:29

here that are really interesting, but we haven't got to them

1:38:31

yet Well, we got time We'll

1:38:34

get to those what it said. Yo,

1:38:36

I don't know about me. I you're

1:38:38

doing great I may pass out having a

1:38:40

cup of coffee. Here's the northern shaft, but

1:38:42

oh, that's the northern. Yeah, okay Wait a

1:38:44

minute go to go to the newest slides

1:38:46

there. I think there are better images on

1:38:49

those Yeah,

1:38:51

these were created back in the day

1:38:54

Okay, hold on go See

1:38:58

okay here. Okay, just stop here.

1:39:00

Okay. Okay. All right, so My

1:39:04

first book I didn't have a really

1:39:06

accurate description of

1:39:08

the northern shaft okay,

1:39:12

and and so Since

1:39:15

then we got the

1:39:17

the CAD drawings of Rudolf Gantembrink

1:39:19

But when he did an examination

1:39:22

and he did a great great job

1:39:25

measuring everything every angle

1:39:27

distance all the way to

1:39:29

the outside and so this is Taken

1:39:33

from his CAD drawing and

1:39:36

I just kind of you know made

1:39:38

it a little more Striking

1:39:41

clear or people could understand

1:39:43

the complexity of That

1:39:46

shaft and also to point out

1:39:49

some of the details that

1:39:53

are Pretty

1:39:55

mind-blowing you

1:39:57

have four bends one

1:40:00

two, three, four, before

1:40:02

it goes into the where

1:40:10

is that opening? It is at the

1:40:13

quarter wave location and

1:40:16

in a

1:40:19

resident cavity, the

1:40:23

highest amplitude could be

1:40:25

found at a quarter wave. So it's like

1:40:27

if you've got a standing wave in a

1:40:30

resident cavity, it's the quarter

1:40:32

wave. It's the quarter of the distance along

1:40:34

the length of the cavity. That's where your

1:40:37

amplitude, that's where your energy is the

1:40:39

highest. So at least in this placement

1:40:41

it affirms your theory. That's where it

1:40:43

would be. Right. But the other thing

1:40:45

is, and this information of course is

1:40:49

common, I mean I've talked to people

1:40:51

who worked on wave guides, Eric

1:40:54

Wilson is very familiar with them

1:40:56

and he did a

1:40:59

study of a Gantenbrink's drawings and he said,

1:41:01

yes, there's this, and he's

1:41:03

pointing out different

1:41:05

unusual features in the shaft that

1:41:08

seem to appear

1:41:11

in the design of

1:41:13

modern wave guides because you

1:41:15

have changes in dimension, you

1:41:17

have these steps, there is

1:41:19

a like a bump in

1:41:21

an area and it's all

1:41:23

to kind of massage, manipulate

1:41:26

the beam as it comes into the

1:41:29

pyramid. But then when

1:41:31

it comes to entering into the

1:41:35

great, the king's chamber, it

1:41:39

goes through four bends. He said

1:41:41

that's to be able

1:41:44

to correct the beam so

1:41:46

that when it does enter the pyramid,

1:41:48

it is coherent and it goes in

1:41:50

straight. Wow. So

1:41:53

it's literally how you would design it. The

1:41:57

Other thing, yeah. The

1:42:00

other thing is that the. And

1:42:04

this this is mind blowing as. As

1:42:08

an able tell you a lot there

1:42:10

is a another. Another

1:42:12

drawing of a plan view.

1:42:16

Of the end of that, Chef

1:42:18

Jamie. Owe

1:42:22

them a think. Ah,

1:42:26

Wait, A minute? Yeah, no. below the

1:42:28

one with the pillow. That one. Directly.

1:42:30

At know he passed their that

1:42:32

one. Okay,

1:42:35

so. You

1:42:37

know, the. The

1:42:40

flavor commonly held theory

1:42:42

about that's why those

1:42:44

shaft existence is to

1:42:46

ventilate the Great Pyramid,

1:42:48

right? Okay, And

1:42:51

and that the reason

1:42:53

why they they have

1:42:55

up those bands. As

1:42:58

far it to and circle

1:43:01

the grand gallery so they

1:43:03

doesn't interfere. Our.

1:43:05

Pet you know with with the Grand Gallery.

1:43:09

Now. If you just on

1:43:11

a ventilator that that place. You.

1:43:14

Know you would would you need that?

1:43:16

So many bands. But. Look

1:43:18

at the distance between the Grand

1:43:21

Gallery wall. And the not and the

1:43:23

not chef. It is

1:43:25

thirteen point six feet. right?

1:43:29

If you take. Where

1:43:32

the level where the

1:43:34

shaft enters the King's

1:43:37

chamber. And you

1:43:39

take his straight past. The.

1:43:42

At the Grand Gallery. You're

1:43:45

looking at die mention he.

1:43:48

Which. Is forty one inches. So.

1:43:53

It was clear the Grand Gallery didn't

1:43:55

have to go through all those bands

1:43:58

unless. The

1:44:00

yo wall blocks of the

1:44:02

Grand Gallery. Was. So

1:44:04

large, That.

1:44:07

They don't want to interfere with them.

1:44:10

And so does that suggests that

1:44:12

the wall block thickness because we

1:44:14

don't know how thick later. We.

1:44:17

Don't know how take their. But.

1:44:20

That suggests that there may

1:44:22

be just a little less

1:44:24

than thirteen feet thick. That

1:44:30

is mind blowing. How

1:44:34

heavy last night. Yeah

1:44:36

so. So

1:44:39

this the way it's set up here now I

1:44:42

especially when you look at from this. It

1:44:44

really does kind of makes

1:44:46

sense that this is a

1:44:48

passageway for gases and energy.

1:44:51

And the way I'm looking. I mean it looks like

1:44:53

a if you're looking at it like this, looks like.

1:44:56

Like. A system is a machine. Newer

1:45:00

you are pointing about you were

1:45:02

talking about the southern shaft right

1:45:04

arm and a the southern chapters

1:45:06

and outside image irritated in the

1:45:08

outside. He could he show that

1:45:10

one. Which.

1:45:12

Are images it. Was coming a

1:45:14

thing? Of

1:45:19

the ego in the runway game that was.

1:45:21

I can google it if you may find

1:45:23

it. Very well known. As

1:45:26

it center. Ah,

1:45:29

go down. How

1:45:34

many images are you? A

1:45:37

hundreds home and is you are

1:45:39

us. Oh

1:45:41

whole hours away. Them as know

1:45:43

just just above right. It was

1:45:46

right below the previous a picture

1:45:48

that we were talking about. number

1:45:50

forty Seven as as know. Just.

1:45:53

Below that the other okay, Okay,

1:45:58

so the bottom line. I.

1:46:01

Phone ago. Is. The

1:46:03

opening of the Southern shaft I've

1:46:05

been get the Southern chapter the

1:46:07

game Chamber into the I took

1:46:09

a photograph of in Nineteen Eighty

1:46:12

Six are going to on on

1:46:14

the right. I took in Nineteen

1:46:16

Ninety Five and that was after

1:46:18

Rudolf Canton Bankhead install a Sam.

1:46:21

Not if you look at that all

1:46:24

thing you see that you have like

1:46:26

a bulbous opening, almost looks like a

1:46:28

microwave on antenna. right?

1:46:33

So. I know is is not just

1:46:35

a straight simple chef. this is

1:46:37

like like of. A. Catcher's

1:46:39

mitt? Okay, yeah, Right,

1:46:43

I mean it it as as

1:46:45

a just all of these different

1:46:48

features of this chamber that most

1:46:50

emin you had overlooked them right?

1:46:52

But you would design it that

1:46:54

way if you are trying dollar

1:46:56

we urge microwaves. Yeah. And.

1:46:59

So. The southern

1:47:01

shaft in the northern shaft of

1:47:03

different functions. And. You've

1:47:06

deleted. The northern shaft is

1:47:08

collecting the microwave energy. It.

1:47:10

Is channeling the family that the micro

1:47:12

yeah me. they would have some system

1:47:14

on the outside to collect them. You

1:47:16

know? I mean they may have a

1:47:18

very large area. Actually

1:47:21

collecting microwaves and feeding it to

1:47:23

a reflector that these directed down

1:47:25

than the northern shafts. I mean

1:47:28

if you look you know that

1:47:30

the there are a size to

1:47:32

the pyramid right. Yeah,

1:47:35

each side as it did dips and.

1:47:37

So. Is not that A doesn't go straight

1:47:39

across. It gives him. A

1:47:42

I'm not. I don't know where that

1:47:44

reflector would have been position, but they

1:47:46

could have been to reflect him microwaves

1:47:49

up the surface of the great pyramid

1:47:51

to a reflector. At

1:47:54

a distance away. And that reflective. Don't

1:47:58

let down the the northern share. That

1:48:00

would be one way to do it.

1:48:02

That would be one way to do

1:48:04

it. So either way, you believe that

1:48:06

the Northern Shaft was somehow or another

1:48:08

collecting microwave energy and the Southern Shaft,

1:48:12

what would they do with that energy? This

1:48:14

is the question. Well,

1:48:16

that's your signal input.

1:48:20

That's what enters the King's

1:48:22

Chamber and stimulates emission of

1:48:24

other photons. Right. Right.

1:48:28

So once this energy is connected,

1:48:32

once they have it collected, how

1:48:35

are they using it? How

1:48:38

are they utilizing it? Your

1:48:42

guess is as good as mine. I

1:48:46

can only imagine if they can dream up how

1:48:50

to build

1:48:52

this system, how they

1:48:54

machine those precision

1:48:57

phases, how they built the boxes and

1:48:59

the therapy, and how they created the

1:49:02

statute, and

1:49:05

knowing that there's so much

1:49:07

missing from that culture.

1:49:09

Not only that, but knowing that you

1:49:11

have to have something that you can

1:49:13

use to make this in the first

1:49:15

place. Yes. Like what kind

1:49:18

of material are you using to

1:49:20

carry these things? There's so much missing.

1:49:23

It's kind of like, all

1:49:26

right, so you're saying that you use

1:49:28

the pyramid to create energy, and

1:49:32

with that energy, you powered

1:49:36

your power tools to build the great

1:49:38

pyramid. That doesn't make any

1:49:40

sense. It doesn't make any sense at all. Right. So

1:49:43

there was probably some other methods that

1:49:45

we're not aware of. Yeah, obviously. I

1:49:47

mean, you build any power plant. You're

1:49:50

going to have generators on site. You're going to

1:49:52

wheel them in and fire them up. Also, this

1:49:55

is not going to be your first project. You

1:50:00

already have some understanding of how this stuff works if you're

1:50:02

making something at this scale. Well,

1:50:04

I mean, our industrial

1:50:07

development, about 200 years

1:50:09

of development, imagine

1:50:12

if it's 500 years of development

1:50:14

or a thousand years in the firm now,

1:50:16

right? Jamie, go back to that image where

1:50:18

it showed a cross-section that he said, ooh,

1:50:20

stop at this one. No,

1:50:22

there was one earlier, but that's fine. Either

1:50:25

one of them. There was another one

1:50:27

that showed a cross-section. That's

1:50:30

it. That's it. Thank you.

1:50:32