My guest is Steve Gaskell a fellow coach, and author of ‘Business Shouldn’t be this Tough’ has a deep understanding of the difficulties leaders face today, he’s been helping leaders of businesses for some 18 years.

Steve is a former Army Master Coach, British Army, he helps develop a “pig-headed approach to personal discipline, drive and ambition”.

Steve and I have spoken previously and we connected on many levels, we speak the same language, so that always makes it feel like we’ve known each other a long time. 

“In conversations it is probably one of the most difficult things sometimes to define, what goes to make a really good conversation. I think in some instances if you out with your friends it is the one who can talk the most and you know, have people recognise and woo what it is your saying, agree with you, and yet there are other conversations where you don't get a word in edgeways, so for me I think the really best conversations that I as a coach are interestingly those that I don't do a lot of talking. I am in a position to listen more deeply.“”

He’s doing some fascinating work with people who’ve been in a life of service and are transitioning into a new career and we’ll be talking about that a little later in the conversation.