In this episode I chat with Brian Kelly, aka The Points Guy, the OG travel rewards expert who's been dominating the space since 2009. No joke, he likely knows more about travel rewards than anyone on earth. I first started optimizing my credit card points by reading his site ThePointsGuy.com.

Given the incredible opportunities once you figure out how to optimize your credit card points and travel rewards, it's never been easier to travel the world for less.

In this chat, we go deep into where travel rewards are today, how you can get started or take it to the next level, and the places the man who has been everywhere recommended the most.