0:00

Our relationship. With God

0:03

and others, looks radically different. Whereas

0:05

we might go out to dinner with

0:07

friends before now they are. Coming for

0:10

a weekend. And we can talk

0:12

deeply. When we

0:14

are looking at our garden,

0:16

when we're looking at the

0:19

seasons, it really does. It

0:21

comes on live in a

0:23

new way. Well, that's Cathy

0:25

Lip and she joins us today on

0:27

focus on family with Jim daily and

0:29

I'm john full. Living far away from

0:32

a populated area sounds like a dream

0:34

come true for some. I tend to

0:36

be in that camp. I'd love that

0:38

you do a little by little bit

0:40

out there. I bet it's not that

0:42

far away, close enough to get ice

0:44

cream. Need it right? And you know

0:46

Jean and I've talked about that. Sure,

0:48

we move further out and she's like

0:50

i don't think so So it depends

0:52

on you know what you're looking for.

0:54

But today we want to talk about

0:57

the I would say the splendor as

0:59

a person who would like to do

1:01

that. but we're going to talk with

1:04

somebody who's actually done it. And Cathy

1:06

Lip has been here before. She is

1:08

such a fun gas to. But Hearn,

1:11

Roger, Husband Roger have done the unthinkable.

1:13

They have moved out to thirty three

1:15

acres in rural Northern California. They've got

1:18

chickens, They've got roosters i guess that's

1:20

a chicken and and then loudly can

1:22

defend him much louder. One. Sounds.

1:24

Like, you know what I'm arguing about,

1:27

that and and other crazy animals and

1:29

other thing. So I'm looking forward to

1:31

the days program. This really boils down

1:33

to kind of a live simply message

1:35

for all of us. Whether year in

1:37

an urban area or suburban area, there

1:39

is an area of life that we

1:41

all need to deal with. It's just

1:43

the clutter in the business and Cathy

1:45

Lip is a terrific guess to address

1:47

this. She's a speaker and author and

1:49

the host of Clutter Free Academy, the

1:52

podcast with Cathy Lip and she's written

1:54

a terrific. Book that we're talking

1:56

about today. The accidental homesteader. What

1:58

I've learned about chickens. Compost and

2:00

creating home. And we've got details

2:02

about the book on the website.

2:04

The lake is in the program

2:06

notes. Kathy welcome back. It is always

2:09

so much fun to be. With you guys, they

2:11

do so as far as I can imagine, Roger.

2:15

I wonder what are you coming up

2:17

with next Saturday? Did you know on

2:19

his how do you are under day

2:21

business a wild ride? Are being married

2:24

to Kathy Less? I have to say

2:26

I'm more of a go along for

2:28

the ride with that. Seriously. Okay so

2:31

this is Rodgers idea. Well. Okay,

2:33

it was a mutual music.

2:35

That. Turns into are you kidding me?

2:37

You know not all thoughts need to be

2:40

acted upon. I have just arrived just in

2:42

inside I need to bring right to see.

2:44

That's actually this is like the

2:46

best not thought out decision. we've

2:48

ever met of those are fun yeah I

2:51

like as you know. It's. Sometimes.

2:54

God the else match you against a

2:56

brick wall. Sometimes I have had sensitive

2:58

seed simply just keeps leading you down

3:00

a path of. Decision.

3:03

Whether you never thought he'd make. Right hemisphere we

3:05

about leading down a path and like

3:07

a ticket. Yes, you read that you're

3:10

gonna down the path with a little

3:12

bit a seed rest. So in that

3:14

regards, what I've learned about chickens composting,

3:17

creating home yes says there's a subtitle,

3:19

right? What have you learned about compost.

3:21

Arm. That we can't really do it

3:23

up in the mountains because bears like. Compost.

3:25

Okay, I thought it might explode or so.

3:28

Now I'm going. well. You have to

3:30

be very careful what you leave

3:32

outside. Because we live near Lake

3:35

Tahoe. And lot of the Lake

3:37

Tahoe bears are the tourists bears. They know

3:39

how to open up car doors, ads and

3:41

allow you to sit down that of a

3:43

well mannered bear. Let's just say, once a.

3:46

Bear. Has been in your car you

3:48

don't want that cars out but ours

3:50

of are just looking for food and

3:53

they will get into your chicken soup.

3:55

Or your compost pile sells for her

3:57

to keep these bears away. As a

3:59

started to discover the most violent need

4:01

this information co op. there are more

4:04

aggressive ways that we are not willing

4:06

to partake. ups. But ah, one

4:08

of the things that columns think

4:10

pots and they are Home Depot

4:12

buckets with holes drilled in the

4:14

tops filled with pine sol so

4:17

it's very. Ironic to don't like that they

4:19

don't like the smell. I love the smell of

4:21

pie yet off the bears do not. but we.

4:23

Put. Those think buckets out and they seem to

4:25

help. From that's great The I've been

4:27

at a bare problem I'm lately have.

4:29

Had a bear problem. that's why we take

4:31

it seriously and they have been laying low.

4:33

For a while so is doing

4:35

this He started to explain this

4:37

weekend have stepped all over it

4:39

but I target of you and

4:42

Roger thinking okay in in in

4:44

the big dream yeah want to

4:46

move out to where we have

4:48

no support of really bad and

4:50

we have no water or energy

4:52

electricity and rely on gosh yes

4:54

this is a good thing rice.

4:56

Is it started as we've

4:58

always loved the mountains Either

5:00

We love the mountains. Where

5:02

the mountains are supported by

5:05

the bag. With see it like

5:07

he said electricity other those kind of things

5:09

and so we thought wouldn't be fun to

5:11

have a little cabin in the woods and

5:14

we can air B M B A when

5:16

we're not using S and all this and

5:18

then we started to think well I'm also

5:20

a writer. We could do writers' Retreat. Sex

5:22

So or one. Little. Room

5:25

in the woods turned into.

5:28

A. A pretty big house where we

5:30

do writers' retreat. And then when we

5:32

were looking at this house they said

5:34

you're taking the land with it right?

5:36

We said yeah. We saw that there

5:38

are eight acres. Own A were really do with eight

5:40

acres. And there's a will. There's

5:42

another like twenty five acres on my

5:44

oh no, we're not taking that and

5:46

Rogers like well, hang on a minute

5:48

And so now we have thirty three

5:51

acres in the middle of the Eldorado

5:53

for as as it seems like one

5:55

decision after another and thinking oh, we

5:57

can't do that And then God had

5:59

of. The I know, Well, yeah

6:01

you can. And so we are now

6:03

out in the middle of God's Country.

6:06

With yeah sometimes it feels like. Only got

6:09

such a crippled that's a good thing. Yeah,

6:11

it's It's been a of faith

6:13

growing experience. It's been a marriage

6:15

growing. It's grown us and every

6:18

single weights and things that we

6:20

never thought. we could do were

6:22

doing. And. It's been pretty. Fun so

6:24

or so and reading the book.

6:27

One of the things to start

6:29

this car reaction is how do

6:31

others come up with mindful and

6:33

important things when they're thinking of

6:35

their dream adventure? Ah so

6:37

I think one of the things that

6:40

we had to figure out is. One,

6:42

it's okay to dream. To.

6:45

There. Has to be some compromise

6:47

in the dream. Their skill

6:49

compromise as a with your

6:51

spouse. A compromise like. What

6:54

we dream it's gonna look like is never

6:56

how it turns out. Slot you though. we

6:58

really thought we were going to keep our

7:01

house in San Jose as. He of

7:03

Arab support the through. Air be obese

7:05

and we just made the decisions

7:07

we were. Complicating. Our.

7:09

Life by having to Places Yes,

7:11

And that's not what we want it.

7:13

And so we kept figuring out what

7:16

the new thing was in. The new

7:18

thing was okay. We wanted to simplify.

7:20

I will say it's didn't necessarily. Make

7:22

our lives easier to move to

7:24

the middle of nowhere easier is

7:26

not the term I would use,

7:28

but. Better. For. Sure

7:31

really yet? Have you know.

7:33

Ah I'm the two things that are

7:35

really hard all just admit. Our church,

7:37

Our our Churches An. Hour and

7:39

a half away while? Yeah, and

7:42

so. That's been stretching and

7:44

growing and of being a

7:46

little bit further away from

7:48

our kids. But the advantages.

7:50

They. Want to come visit because where we live,

7:52

it's kind of cool. So with that, I

7:54

mean there's a lot of change when you

7:57

do something like this. I can only imagine

7:59

the three hours. I mean I think

8:01

with Roger to I mean you gotta

8:03

learn new skills right? Yeah, to learn

8:05

had a is no the rhythms of

8:07

things. Yes. Well and we really didn't

8:10

grow up with seasons. were from Silicon

8:12

Valley's like it's seventy two all the

8:14

time. and so to learn when things

8:16

grow and when they don't Because now

8:19

we're in a much. Different climb

8:21

as when we bought the house. We

8:23

ask what your our annual. Snow fall

8:25

and they said two to four inches. I'll

8:27

just say that has not been our experience

8:30

Last March. We had fourteen feet. Forty Three

8:32

forty. See the kind of miss that? Yeah,

8:34

That that was that predicts him with

8:37

a little bit off. So rushers having

8:39

to be a lumberjack were having to

8:41

learn to sell trees, were having to

8:43

learn to yell, do our own fire

8:46

word, and build things. And that's what

8:48

you're living in the old days. It is a

8:50

some. Ways because it's so remote a

8:52

kind of is. Making your own

8:54

bread. I am making my own bread. I

8:56

know I'm going to come. Beer: How's that?

8:59

For winter were inside yeah not really

9:01

going to town and people laugh when

9:03

I say going to tell them like

9:05

if it's more than. At our it's

9:08

going to town, let's just be clear and

9:10

so. We're. We're not

9:12

going and getting food so if we

9:14

want bread were either taking out the

9:16

freezer, are making it and making it.

9:18

A lot better, lolita, yeah,

9:20

what is the hardest situation

9:23

you've encountered between weather and

9:25

chickens and bears and, oh,

9:27

my so? I know one time you

9:29

were flying over Tahoe in a fire fire

9:31

we actually had the cold or. Fire.

9:34

Said started a mile and a half from

9:36

our house. we were praying for you go

9:38

out over them to later years at area.

9:40

And that fire burned on for size

9:42

of us lasted. Three weeks of

9:45

our town last seven hundred homes

9:47

and how hundred admitted much he

9:49

didn't hit use it. If

9:52

burn two acres of our

9:54

property. but it was because

9:56

of some amazing of firefighters.

9:58

Both paid and volley. Here

10:00

are a lot of the people of

10:02

where we live or volunteer firefighters. Are

10:04

we still. Have homes and so yeah

10:06

when you see that when you see

10:08

the devastation on the other side of

10:10

the valley and your houses and ties

10:12

to just say thank. God how can

10:15

we help him go The that you

10:17

know is what's is a serious moment

10:19

regard because you you are more exposed

10:22

in that kind of live on hundred

10:24

years and by the elements by all

10:26

kinds of thing our pipes freeze. You

10:28

know you're just not everything has taken

10:31

care of maybe in the city years,

10:33

suburban environment. yeah of does it make

10:35

you the is as sounds silly to

10:38

say but as as resilient, stronger and

10:40

the what What attributes are you learning

10:42

in this experi? I. Would say that

10:44

we are learning a lot about to me that

10:47

he. That we really

10:49

rely on each other. Up

10:51

there you know that there's no

10:53

ambulance. Where we are. There's

10:55

there's no. We have a

10:57

volunteer fire department ads if

11:00

both volunteers are run into

11:02

the store. Yeah. You

11:04

don't have that, but we have neighbors

11:06

that we can call and can call

11:08

on us and south. Our next door

11:10

neighbor of Hall is a volunteer. Firefighter.

11:12

He's part of the reason we still have a

11:15

house. But of I found

11:17

out that he was living on

11:19

lunchables for about three meals a

11:21

day and like well that's a

11:23

way I can help ears I

11:25

can bring him food and sell

11:27

them were cooking meals. We we

11:29

set aside a portion for Paul

11:31

when he's in town. As we

11:33

just get out, everybody gathers together

11:35

at the Ah Omo Rants Fire

11:37

Safety Council meetings and that's kind

11:40

of our community meeting. Everybody is

11:42

a part of that and so

11:44

we learn about that. We also

11:46

learn what to worry about, what

11:48

not to worry about, and so

11:50

in for worried about something. We

11:52

don't stay worried, we do something.

11:54

about itself we felt a water tank

11:56

on our property because there are no

11:59

fire hydrants were live. So we

12:01

have a water tank there that

12:03

we hooked up to the fire

12:05

hydrant that we installed. And so

12:07

you just learn to figure out,

12:09

okay, how do I mitigate a lot

12:12

of these problems that we take for

12:14

granted other places. You know so much

12:16

of this describes some bygone era where you

12:18

lean on each other's neighbors and depend on

12:21

each other. You know and really when you're

12:23

talking about that you can't afford as a

12:25

community to have a weak link because you're

12:28

leaning on each other but think of cities

12:30

and suburbs where there are a lot of

12:32

weak links, right? Yeah and so I

12:35

think for a lot of

12:37

us we have to be gentle encouragement

12:39

to our neighbors to

12:41

say, hey can we come help

12:43

you with that brush around

12:46

your property? Hey can

12:48

we install pay for the

12:50

installation of a fire tank in

12:53

this very strategic place? Hey

12:55

can we have access to

12:58

the water on your property because

13:00

it's not just about protecting your

13:03

house, it's about protecting because protecting your

13:05

neighbor's house is protecting your house. And

13:08

so you learn to get

13:10

along even if you may not agree

13:12

politically or spiritually

13:15

with somebody else you learn

13:17

to get along. You know there's a lot

13:20

of fun to this and a lot of

13:22

people idealize doing this. Yeah and you're mentioning

13:24

you know I'm hearing you say it's a

13:26

lot of work. It is. But it's good

13:28

work. It's like things that bring you back

13:31

to earth, back to God. Yes. You in

13:33

fact talk in the book about these heavy

13:35

winters and how God is teaching you so

13:37

much through those times of

13:39

solitude. Describe that. Yeah so there's

13:42

a lot of different aspects to that. I

13:44

will say growing up in cities

13:46

my whole life and there is nothing wrong

13:48

with living in a city. My favorite people

13:50

live in cities but I realize

13:53

I got kind of spoiled and

13:55

the but the thing is you know

13:57

it when I live lived

14:00

my whole life, I was very

14:02

selective about like, you know, what I would

14:05

eat and where I would go and how I

14:07

would spend my time. You don't get as many

14:09

choices when you're there. And so like we grow

14:11

a lot of the food that we eat, but

14:14

only certain foods grow where we live. So you

14:16

learn to kind of build your life around those.

14:20

But I also know that

14:22

there is a quietness to

14:25

these routines. And there's

14:27

something about letting the mountain kind

14:29

of dictate part of your day,

14:31

especially in the early morning and

14:33

the late evenings. You know,

14:35

when it's nighttime, especially in the

14:37

spring, summer and winter, you want

14:39

to be outside because the stars

14:42

are just like

14:44

they're unworldly. And in

14:46

the morning, you're running around, you're doing the

14:48

chicken stuff, but there's a quietness to it.

14:51

That is really, it was what my soul

14:53

needed. I'm not saying

14:55

it's what anybody else should choose, but

14:58

I realized there was a lot of

15:00

hustle in my life. I'm

15:03

still very busy, but

15:05

I'm busy with a purpose and

15:07

a meaning and like to be

15:10

a steward of this property and

15:13

the animals that live there and

15:15

the plants and everything. It

15:18

really does make the

15:20

scriptures come alive when you see about,

15:22

you know, there's a time to rest

15:24

and a time, like there is a

15:26

time for everything. And

15:29

so we're not, we're

15:31

resting in the winter. We're deeply resting

15:33

in the winter. We are deeply resting on

15:35

Sundays when we get home from church. We

15:37

are deeply resting because we're

15:40

working hard. And so

15:43

there's just a rhythm that I've never experienced

15:45

before in my life. No, that's interesting.

15:47

And that may be the most observant

15:49

change is just that rhythm, would you

15:51

say? It's completely different

15:53

because we are built. Our

15:56

society is built for 24 seven, but we

15:58

aren't. And

16:01

so to say no when I'm gonna

16:03

rest it's not I'm gonna rest and

16:05

check my email or It's

16:08

not that I'm going to rest and Cook

16:11

for the rest of the week now I'm just

16:13

really going to rest and I'm

16:15

gonna make sure I'm ready for the

16:17

challenges that come this next week What would

16:19

you say was the purpose of even doing

16:21

this book? I mean, it's a funny topic

16:23

and there's a lot of young people that

16:25

are really interested in homesteading I mean we

16:27

have about 15 of our

16:30

young staff out in the gallery and they

16:32

were telling me yeah, they're into this What's

16:35

that appeal? I think it

16:37

may be a rejection of the

16:40

24-7 Wow. I think that They

16:44

have seen now they may tell me I'm

16:46

crazy But I

16:48

know that there are a lot of younger people who

16:51

have seen people my age dedicating

16:56

ourselves to jobs that

16:58

maybe in the grand scheme of things

17:00

don't matter as much as we would like to

17:02

think they would and Rejecting

17:05

the hustle culture that

17:08

the world has said is required for

17:10

all of us to keep this thing

17:13

spinning And I don't think

17:15

God has ever intended us for hustle

17:18

and to say this is

17:20

enough and This is good

17:22

is Quite a radical

17:25

statement for me. This is very

17:28

different than who I was ten years ago.

17:30

Absolutely How did

17:32

learning to accept your unfinished

17:34

homestead? I guess because

17:36

I don't know if you're ever done Yeah, but

17:38

how did that change your perspective on life generally?

17:41

I think it gets back to the rhythm I think

17:43

we I think we're finding a new theme here friends

17:46

is that there is always something

17:48

to do There is always something

17:50

to be working on. There's always a project in front

17:52

of us and When

17:55

I Lived in Silicon Valley That would make me

17:57

crazy. like when could we ever be finished? The

18:00

just understand that that is not possible.

18:02

A we're actually doing for three management

18:05

where we live. we have to cut

18:07

down trees to help prevent fires. Like

18:09

there's all this stuff that we. As

18:12

you roger yes just Roger ring

18:14

as a minor my to bed

18:16

saw go in and yes. These

18:18

are not the things they put. In the Zillow

18:21

listed as. A. Forest The Forest as

18:23

with the forest does and it's

18:25

like know you have some managers

18:27

and to say you know what

18:29

we're doing the best we can

18:31

add. There. Is a point where it's

18:33

like we have to be satisfied with. Our work.

18:35

So how did the Red House, as you

18:38

call it, ended the house right on the

18:40

cover. How did it start to feel like

18:42

a home rather than a work assignment, right?

18:44

Well, it. Depends on the day, right?

18:46

There are days where it does feel

18:49

like a lot to manage and then

18:51

there are other days, especially when we

18:53

have people. Over and people over

18:55

will move out of that effort.

18:57

Yeah, well. people play. Dries out

18:59

your hours are doing or how?

19:01

Yeah, And they do built. That's why

19:03

it's nice to have a couple of that.

19:06

Nobody stays for a day, they are they

19:08

for a few days. But to be able

19:10

to say hey, that Cgt on the table

19:12

or that as out of the guard it's

19:14

out of. The guy loves, you know. The

19:16

the eggs from the chickens

19:19

are yeah. That's. What we're

19:21

having for breakfast. Free range is free. Oh

19:23

it's this is this Really really good catch

19:25

the church and semester. We get the eggs.

19:28

And so will moral. Sitting out

19:30

on the patio and we have

19:32

a fire going and we're looking

19:34

up as the stars and we're

19:36

talking long into the night that's

19:38

home and a he though some

19:40

of our best church services has

19:42

happened around the campfire. And.

19:45

I. I. Know sunday we

19:47

are not physically going to be able.

19:50

To. Be there! But. We're

19:52

going to enjoy it as long

19:54

as as deeply. As. We can have

19:56

an underhand the me okay, the tinder

19:59

question? Yes, Understand you like

20:01

a good latte ideal and

20:03

specifically from a very large

20:05

coffee. But

20:07

it's others creature comforts. Yeah, I could

20:09

call him that. How do you overcome?

20:12

Running five minutes away to your local

20:14

coffee place and getting that lotta you

20:16

like I will say the first six

20:19

months we live there we found an

20:21

excuse to go into town of trying

20:23

withdrawal of yeah I was withdraw. Is

20:25

absolutely was that. You figure it

20:27

out. We bought a cappuccino maker.

20:29

Three Go M Roger have learned how to make

20:31

happened to the. I do not know

20:33

how to make some, but he

20:35

does and says we we figure

20:38

out what's important and those become

20:40

treats instead of necessities. That's good. Yeah,

20:42

how much of your life in that regard? I

20:44

mean I think you know again me being as

20:46

suburban kind of us. you start to make that

20:48

list of what you cannot live with our right

20:51

and then you realize when you do it. Now.

20:53

Actually, I can live without all of it.

20:56

It is either. The only

20:58

thing I would say when

21:00

we moved there that we

21:02

weren't serve what we would

21:04

do about was internet and

21:06

since there are now. More

21:08

options top a satellite call.

21:10

Satellite were super grateful for that.

21:13

Everything else we figured out of

21:15

work around. Ah, we just have.

21:17

You know we don't need over

21:19

eats we don't need. That be

21:22

a big ticket idea would be a

21:24

big ticket item. Ah we. We don't

21:26

need to be at a restaurant

21:28

on the regular we've We love

21:30

what we could, we love what

21:32

we do like as it is

21:35

not for everybody, but we keep

21:37

figuring out new ways to make

21:39

our lives even better and make

21:41

our dependence on the rest of

21:43

the world less and. Less. But you

21:45

sound like you're saying though it sounds like

21:47

you say you have. Deeper.

21:49

Awareness of your way into percent you're able

21:52

to give more time to the lord yeah

21:54

you and Roger both by reading and praying

21:56

to go her and yet talking about deep

21:58

into the night by that. Fire Yeah

22:00

about godly things. Biblio? Thanks. It's

22:03

gotta be a better. Case.

22:05

In a better i don't know concentration of

22:07

your time, the living in Silicon Valley and

22:09

darting over here and there. and yeah, getting

22:11

home at seven. And don't forget we have

22:13

something to pick up and we are to

22:16

be a dinner at the Joneses tomorrow. And

22:18

our relationship with God and with

22:20

others looks radically. Different whereas.

22:23

We might go out to dinner with friends

22:25

before now they are coming. For a

22:27

weekend can we can talk

22:29

deeply? Ah, When we are

22:32

looking at our garden when

22:34

we're looking at the seasons

22:36

a really does It comes

22:38

on, live in a new

22:41

way and also just being

22:43

a steward of. The.

22:45

Land. At. The animals

22:47

we've had to learn like how

22:50

to live a little bit differently

22:52

and live with these rhythm in

22:54

a way that's really it's exciting

22:56

and to see what God has

22:59

talked about and switches promises are

23:01

to less and less we've kind

23:03

of I don't know I will

23:06

say with American modern conveniences what

23:08

we've demanded from God as opposed

23:10

to what God has offered of

23:13

I think we we have a

23:15

better perspective on that's. Not and

23:17

other people. But then on

23:19

what we experience. In. A

23:22

very sheltered and protected. Life

23:24

of Silicon Valley. I'm Cathy right at

23:26

the end here. Yeah, people are. Let's

23:28

see this. it is quite fun is

23:30

an intriguing I mean some people might

23:32

be saying i want that nana panting

23:34

saying that's the kind of life I'd

23:36

like to be as who And they're

23:38

in a place their my build the

23:40

do it The lanterns to be a

23:42

lot cheaper. Far away from the Isis

23:44

is probably a reason for that Several

23:46

your Roger Miss Yeah, but how do

23:48

you get started? I mean years is

23:51

accidental, right? A really as the

23:53

I would say find the part

23:55

of that life that appeals to

23:57

you is it's the because. We're

24:00

forced to live a simpler life,

24:02

but people can choose. To live

24:04

a simpler life? They can choose

24:06

to say you know what? We're only gonna

24:09

go out one night a week and. Otherwise,

24:12

We are going to figure out how

24:14

to cook dinner a whole house and

24:16

I would say the number one part

24:18

of this is the partnership that. Roger

24:20

and I have really developed in

24:22

do in deep ways. We don't

24:24

do something because. The. Out

24:26

the guy for to do that with the one that we

24:29

do it because it has to get done. And

24:31

so we can just say you know went

24:33

what part of you are best at this

24:35

weather Were part of us is best at

24:38

that and we can figure it out together.

24:40

So if you can start to have those

24:42

conversations with the people you live with, what

24:45

part appeal see what does my soul really

24:47

need and you can start creating that no

24:49

matter. Where you live? That's good.

24:51

Gazidis has been great. Nice surprise

24:53

shit your revelation dude Roger are

24:56

always doing different sex and the

24:58

rest of us and is great.

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