Seja talks to her guest Patience Hodgson (The Grates) about podcasting, early days of the Grates and living parallel lives with Missy Higgins. They chat about their first impressions of each other, their fast friendship and their strong bond over playing in bands with their partners (and initially keeping it a secret!). Patience tells Seja tales of touring overseas, her Hanson obsession, singing teachers and the steps she has taken to combat her anxiety. Also there’s a lot of poo talk.

Patience’s strange show story is illustrated by Sam McKenzie. You can see more of his work on Instagram @ohnosam or at samsamsamsam.com.

All illustrations can be seen on Instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the HearSej Facebook page.