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A note before we start we recorded

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with the delightful Henry Winkler remotely on.

1:13

it meant the i Go a birds

1:16

eye view if is fabulous Beverly Hills

1:18

backdrop but it also meant that we

1:20

have some audio off his dogs so

1:22

just to let you know if he

1:25

hear any barking, it's not me, it's

1:27

Henry's dogs. Hello

1:39

and welcome to High To Fail

1:41

With Me author and broadcaster Elizabeth

1:43

Day. This is the podcast where

1:45

we flip the traditional interview format

1:47

on It's Head, celebrating failure rather

1:49

than success because what we learned

1:52

from the former is often far

1:54

more important than anything that comes

1:56

from the latter. It's how we

1:58

respond to failure that defy. Or

2:00

character and helps. Us play. Every

2:03

episode I ask a very special guest

2:05

to discuss three failures and how they

2:07

emerged on the other side to be

2:09

the person we see today. Before.

2:12

We begin. I just wanted to remind

2:14

you about my subscribe the series failing

2:17

with friends and today it's I am

2:19

looking at your wonderful failures and questions

2:21

on my own will be covering the

2:23

section isn't the pressure a do things

2:26

to a timeline dictated by society or

2:28

not and whether trusting too much really

2:30

is a say year and I would

2:33

love to hear from used to follow

2:35

the links in the sixties. Know. Henry.

2:42

Winkler was born in Nineteen Forty Five,

2:44

a few months after the end of

2:46

World War Two, and in many ways

2:49

the story of his life is the

2:51

story of the second half. Of the

2:53

twentieth century it says. The.

2:55

H in his first name is

2:57

a reference his uncle Helmet who

2:59

was killed in the Holocaust. His.

3:02

Middle name Franklin is a

3:04

node to Str. The

3:06

President of the country his parents

3:08

managed to escape to after fleeing

3:10

Nazi Germany and Nineteen Thirty Nine.

3:14

Despite an extremely challenging childhood, Winkler,

3:16

my aunts become one of the

3:18

most famous actors in America. When

3:21

age twenty seven, he was cast

3:23

as the sons' in the Tv

3:25

series Happy Days. Winkler.

3:28

Betrayal of the cool dude in the

3:30

leather jacket made him into a cultural

3:32

phenomenon. It was perhaps a marked as

3:34

his glasses. You'd that even at the

3:36

height of his fame, he read every

3:38

single fan letter. Of

3:41

the ten years of happy days, winter made the

3:43

jump into. Producing and directing. Later.

3:46

In his career, he appeared in iconic

3:48

Tv shows such as Arrested Development and

3:50

Parks and Recreation. As one of his

3:52

films like The Water Boy and. The

3:55

Friends Dispatch. But. It

3:57

was his riveting performance. Is Jean

3:59

the. Coach and Bury. The.h B

4:01

O Comedy that brought him even

4:03

wider acclaim and one him one

4:05

of his three Emmys. He also

4:07

has two Golden Globes and to

4:09

Critics' Choice awards to his name.

4:12

Nine seventy eight weeks of published

4:14

amazing memoir last year and is

4:16

about to embark on a multi

4:18

city tour of the Uk after

4:20

a series of set up shows

4:22

in Australia. I

4:24

live by two words: linked or

4:27

states. Tenacity. And

4:30

gratitude. Henry. Winkler. Welcome

4:32

to high to fail. Thank

4:34

you. And I wanted to ask you.

4:36

How important? Gratitude

4:39

is to you and your

4:41

life. Gratitude was your journey

4:43

through life. Emptying your

4:46

vessel of anger. I

4:48

am so grateful. To

4:50

be on the Earth and I

4:52

am a people person. I will.

4:55

I mean all of these people

4:57

Everywhere I go in the world.

5:00

And. It is is just it

5:02

makes me happy. So

5:04

people say oh, you're the nicest guy in

5:07

Hollywood and that is. I don't know if

5:09

that is true. You

5:11

know, I have my dark thoughts like everybody

5:13

else, but I am. I

5:16

am the most grateful guy

5:18

in Hollywood. And. His

5:20

pals that was the seed do think

5:22

because you'll only too aware of have

5:24

different the it could have turned out

5:26

he had a very challenging Charles it

5:29

didn't. He I did. Are you know

5:31

people told me that I would not

5:33

be here in front of the screen

5:35

talking to you is that is the

5:37

metaphor for the way I grew up.

5:39

But. What I realized was the

5:42

individual is very powerful. Now

5:44

it time Everybody learns their

5:46

own power in their own

5:48

time. But. You

5:51

cannot. Ah, I'm

5:53

on. Be knocked off

5:55

your journey. By.

5:58

Another person's opinion? His.

6:00

Edu. You know what you

6:03

want without ambivalence. And.

6:05

You keep marching toward that

6:07

dream. You cannot have doubts

6:10

about what it is you

6:12

really want. As long as

6:14

it. Is. Not hurtful

6:16

to anybody else. I am

6:18

living proof you you you

6:21

wind up on ios kind

6:23

of at your our destination.

6:26

Did you tell me a little bit of finance?

6:29

Your child's head. I mention

6:31

in the introduction what your

6:33

parents went through in order

6:35

to gets of America and

6:37

escape from Nazi Germany and

6:39

they were very strict with

6:41

the. How long do

6:44

you think it's a key to

6:46

understand? It's not a matter

6:48

of strict because I I think

6:50

I was a of a strict

6:52

parents. I had boundaries. I

6:55

have you know a sense of

6:57

awe of how did how to

6:59

be in the house. How.

7:01

To be out of the house. Just.

7:04

In order to flourish as a human

7:06

being. They

7:09

did not see me.

7:11

My parents did not

7:13

acknowledge who I was

7:15

as a human being

7:17

and that is so

7:19

detrimental. To.

7:22

A a human being

7:24

Bomb A living. A

7:26

I'm a Full Life. Why

7:28

do you think they were like that? One.

7:32

They went through a trauma I

7:35

understand that they came to another

7:37

land, learned a new language, started

7:39

another business, I respect that.

7:42

As. Human beings. I.

7:44

Don't know if it was their

7:47

German ness. I don't know

7:49

if it was there. Ah, I'm.

7:52

Generation. But

7:54

they literally saw me as an

7:56

extension. To.

7:59

Making. Grander. I had

8:01

to do well. If I

8:03

didn't do well, I embarrass

8:06

them. that is. All.

8:08

Of a tragedy it is

8:10

one of these. The. The

8:13

nose of being a parent, you

8:15

have to see the child in

8:17

front of you. You. Have

8:19

to hear the child in front of

8:21

you and whether or not you understand

8:24

what A if you see that your

8:26

child is having a problem. It

8:30

is your job to make

8:32

sure that you. Don't

8:35

let that child self image plummet

8:37

to the bottom of the ocean.

8:39

You write say amazingly and your

8:41

back saying Henry A by it's

8:44

being pulled the Duma wouldn't dumb

8:46

dog by your parents about it's

8:48

a sad day Your father would

8:50

grind you wanting you to work

8:52

harder. And he would punish you when he came back

8:54

if he felt the top of the T. Set

8:57

the warmth of the to the Tv

8:59

because he said the be maxing it

9:01

I was not allowed to watch television.

9:03

They saw all when they went out

9:05

on a Saturday night. If I sat

9:07

at my desk I was going to

9:09

get it. So I

9:12

had to watch television

9:14

carefully. And turn

9:16

it off at the right time. Because.

9:18

They would see alone is it was

9:21

warm because they were tubes at that

9:23

time is up a bizarre or transistor

9:25

was. It was not

9:27

all long. You know these modern

9:30

sin on the wall. Televisions,

9:34

Ah, He I a

9:37

was what I never understood his

9:39

I will leave my bedroom. Joyful!

9:43

I would wake up a happy. I

9:46

would walk into a maelstrom of

9:48

i don't even know why they

9:51

were yelling or what they were

9:53

yelling about. And. I use

9:55

music to bring my brain

9:57

back to normal so that.

10:00

I wasn't shaking. I mean

10:02

literally. I our eyes

10:04

it as I say it Now to

10:06

you in Two Thousand And Twenty Four.

10:09

I so deeply resent it is.

10:11

You also right in the book

10:13

about how he struggled at school

10:15

you had undiagnosed dyslexia on diagnosed

10:17

until you have thirty one that

10:19

the comedy making people laugh that

10:22

was the refugees of sorts as

10:24

well as a net. Not just

10:26

a refugee was an island

10:28

on which to exists. Ah,

10:30

I was so embarrassed by

10:32

the fact that I could

10:34

not. Handle.

10:36

Any of this education.

10:39

I couldn't read, I can't

10:41

spell, I still can't do

10:44

math than I use umer.

10:46

To. Cover the shame of it. I

10:48

read the tale of two cities.

10:51

Ah, I read the cougar. That

10:54

was basically it. And

10:57

never came to the first

10:59

age. It's extraordinary. And such

11:01

a testament to your strengths as. Path.

11:04

Us and character that you have

11:06

become the person that you have

11:08

and Wiggins get more into detail

11:10

on your terrific to we're in

11:12

a minute spots. Age twenty

11:14

seven you get this role as

11:17

the songs on happy days which

11:19

is a he says and cultural

11:21

phenomenon. I mean people are so

11:23

excited that I'm talking see it

11:25

is today. It's because of that

11:27

role or well and I wonder

11:29

how. Wonderful. That was

11:31

on one hand, but how difficult

11:33

Officer a decade of being in

11:36

people's living rooms every Tuesday night?

11:38

How difficult it was to. Do.

11:41

Something else. Do something nice. Was.

11:43

It also tricky not being

11:46

typecast. Well, I was. I guess I

11:48

thought I could beat the system I thought

11:50

I could do. I. Did

11:52

everything I possibly could do

11:55

not to be typecast blood.

11:57

you cannot be tax so.

12:00

In every buddies living room

12:02

internationally as this character the

12:04

funds that when it was

12:06

over I could not get

12:08

hired as an actor. I.

12:11

Don't even know how to

12:13

explain. And I have been

12:15

trying to explain it since

12:17

Nineteen eighty Two. I had

12:19

a pain in my psyche.

12:22

That was debilitating hours.

12:24

I had a plan.

12:27

a. When I

12:29

lived that plan a. But.

12:31

I had no plan B

12:33

and I was. Stuck.

12:37

In an ocean of

12:39

molasses of safe honey

12:42

where I would not.

12:45

Move. Forward and then finally my

12:48

of my lawyer ah skip Britain

12:50

Ham he said you know I'm

12:52

going to start a production company

12:54

for you. And like everything

12:56

else I wear my can't Do that. I

12:59

don't know about business that that's crazy. I.

13:02

He said you'll learn and I

13:04

did not. Since. That

13:06

he was right, I didn't think

13:08

I could and that was another

13:10

lesson I learned in my life.

13:12

You have no idea what you

13:15

can accomplish until you just put

13:17

one foot in front of the

13:19

other, which is part of my

13:21

presentation. When I come

13:23

to the British Isles, my. My

13:25

final question before we get unseal failures

13:28

is you dedicate your birth saying Henry

13:30

to your. Wife Stacey Once

13:32

you think you've been like as

13:34

a husband. It is

13:37

so complicated. I was.

13:40

Not present emotionally.

13:42

I understood about

13:45

being present. For.

13:47

That children are And now only

13:49

that. But I work nine to

13:51

five, five days a week and

13:53

then I was home. I was

13:55

home most nights for dinner. I

13:58

was non president. As. A You. The

14:00

been a came to me just

14:02

like a a few months ago.

14:04

The bottom of my brain was

14:07

solder shot like an oil can.

14:10

You. Know like those those oil

14:12

big oil cans. And

14:15

when you poor cream.

14:18

Into. Your coffee. And

14:21

it's worlds and it makes

14:23

a color and then it

14:25

becomes is instead of a

14:27

black coffee. Now it's days

14:29

Now it. It's as if

14:31

you've changed the color. None

14:33

of my thoughts or emotions

14:35

got through the metal. Com.

14:37

Bottom of my brain

14:39

and swirl. There was

14:42

no swirling going on

14:44

and off and I

14:46

had no idea. that

14:48

is the way I

14:50

was as a human

14:52

being let alone a

14:54

husband. I could explode

14:56

with creativity as a

14:58

professional, and I thought

15:00

I was being present

15:02

as a human being

15:04

socially and I was

15:06

not. When did that

15:09

change? I would say that

15:11

changed nine years ago when

15:13

I met on my present

15:16

Sarah pissed and I no

15:18

longer wanted to be that

15:21

way. And so

15:23

I started therapy and. This.

15:25

Don't share. I

15:27

mean I say in the book, if I

15:29

were to give her a gift, it would

15:31

have to be the size of a skyscraper.

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Get onto your failures. Your

17:16

first failure is leaving Yale.

17:19

Rec. So. Tell

17:21

us Henry, what happened there and how

17:23

you got to Yale in the first

17:25

place. Well. How exactly yeah

17:27

was worth we talked about before.

17:30

I knew that I did not want to

17:32

be a flashes a pan as an actor.

17:35

So if that's true, I had to train. And

17:38

I applied to the Yale

17:40

School of Drama. They take

17:43

twenty five students. A Levin

17:45

finished in my class. Three

17:47

were asked into the professional

17:50

or repertory company. I

17:52

was one of those three. I couldn't believe it. You.

17:54

Know my my My

17:56

first week at Yale

17:59

Video. White was teaching

18:01

drama and I don't know

18:03

how I presented myself. Ah,

18:05

I, you know I was.

18:08

Thoughtlessly trying to be funny,

18:10

And she said to me

18:12

you are undermining my class

18:14

And I thought. I'm undermining

18:17

your class. I don't know for like

18:19

am, I don't even know what that

18:21

means. I'm gonna be six out of

18:23

my school here and I haven't been

18:25

here for a week. That

18:27

kind of fear. That kind of

18:30

amazement in the middle of horror

18:32

was how my list so interesting.

18:34

So it's It's as if you

18:37

had no sense of self unless

18:39

someone responded to you. And even

18:41

if they responded to it to

18:44

you in a critical or negative

18:46

way, there was something reassuring about

18:48

that such a way exist. I

18:51

have this. Impact. You know people

18:53

say you know you learn from your

18:55

failure. That might be true. And

18:57

I might have. That. While I

18:59

was going through it. I. Hated

19:02

it. I did not see

19:04

anything positive about it. I

19:06

was convinced that. He. Was

19:08

black and white The end Every

19:10

time I came up against. Something.

19:14

I never looked to see why. That

19:18

savior was happening. I

19:20

only saw visit. My

19:23

life is over. So when Sudanese?

19:26

the Yale. Repertory Company.

19:29

I was offered a movie

19:31

by a movie star that

19:33

time Cliff Robertson to call

19:35

me back stage when we

19:37

were rehearsing. At the yield.

19:39

Repertory. Theatre and offered me

19:42

a job in the movies.

19:44

And. I couldn't go because I had no

19:46

one to study. And. My

19:49

sense of loyalty wouldn't let me

19:51

just walk out. Finally, a year

19:53

and a half later after I

19:55

was hired, I went to New

19:57

York City. And. So

20:00

this issue. This is a crazy thoughts. Other

20:03

actors in my class. Went.

20:06

To New York. And they

20:08

were all getting jobs. I.

20:10

Thought there will be nothing left for

20:12

me and then what I have says

20:15

is in a long time but what

20:17

I would tell young actors when I

20:19

spoke to them there is. A

20:22

place for you because you are

20:24

individual and if your talent you

20:27

know is that able to come

20:29

out somebody is gonna see it.

20:32

And. Then. He

20:35

knows other actors and. Place

20:37

but I was convinced that I

20:40

would be left out so I

20:42

had to go. but I was

20:44

under. The The

20:47

Miss. The the

20:49

pressure. The a gift

20:51

of the school who cannot do

20:53

anything but see as her. Which.

20:56

Frame for the theater. And

20:59

I thank God. Kept

21:01

moving forward. And.

21:03

I made a living. I

21:06

did commercials. And.

21:08

Then I was able to do place

21:10

for free in the basement of churches

21:12

that no one came to see. Push.

21:14

Was in the theater. But.

21:17

During the day. I

21:19

sold or instant coffee and I could

21:21

pay my rent. So why

21:23

did you choose? This is a failure?

21:25

Because it actually sounds like we're following.

21:28

Your path. I. Last,

21:31

the Yale Repertory Theatre and

21:33

I went to another repertory

21:35

theater in Washington Dc. I

21:37

got a ten dollar raise.

21:39

We're doing a new play

21:41

calls news shows which are

21:43

eventual. He went to Broadway.

21:46

I had my snow tires in the

21:48

back of my car. I drove down

21:50

to Washington D C in case it

21:53

got wintery. About. A

21:55

week before we opened I went to

21:57

the director and I said I sign.

22:00

The oft the monologue in

22:02

the third act and he

22:04

said. You're. Finished.

22:07

I my brain turned to

22:09

cream cheese. What happened was.

22:12

I. Was hired. To.

22:14

Fill time and space until

22:17

another after that. he really

22:19

likes finish the movie. And

22:22

was able to come back to Washington

22:24

and walk into the role. I

22:27

drove back to New York City. With.

22:30

My snow tires in the backseat. Crying.

22:36

I. Saw this is it. Why? Who

22:38

is ever going to hire an actor?

22:40

Who. Has been fired. Well

22:43

it's hands I that not only

22:45

why you hired for Evil Hide

22:47

in quite spectacular style when you

22:50

got the rollers the Fonz and

22:52

became a household names. but it's

22:54

very interesting that being fired is

22:56

a running seems because it takes

22:58

us to your second failure which

23:00

is being fired from directing Turner

23:03

and Hooch and I never knew

23:05

this until. I read your books and

23:07

he told me if I set so you. Cells

23:09

at the time that your

23:11

career was over Why we

23:13

fired. See think. I. Will

23:15

I thought I could direct. By

23:18

have or won an Emmy for

23:20

after school specials you know, directing.

23:22

I'm walking through a clothing store

23:25

or famous clothing store at the

23:27

time in New York City and

23:29

a guard in a gray uniform

23:32

comes up to means as as

23:34

a phone call for you. I

23:36

waited, waited move down to maybe

23:38

a phone call for me in

23:41

the aisles of this gigantic clothing

23:43

store. Macys The the

23:45

President of Disney Studios. He says

23:47

I want you to direct this

23:50

movie. I said, you know,

23:52

I really wanted direct Bette Midler in

23:54

Stella. I. Understand the emotion

23:56

of have been on the outside

23:59

looking in. I really believe I

24:01

can do that movie. He.

24:03

Said no a wants you to do Turner and

24:05

Hooch. I said well I'm

24:08

not sure up than the right guy. But.

24:11

Your ego gets involved they had of

24:13

Disney. You want to direct a feature

24:15

film? Oh My. God. I. Said

24:17

yes Another lesson I learned. When.

24:20

Your instincts knows. To.

24:23

Turn around and go the

24:25

other way. Do not second

24:28

guess yourself. Your

24:30

instinct knows everything and your

24:32

head it's knows a little

24:34

bit but my ego got

24:36

involved I to the lesson

24:39

weeks of preparation. I.

24:41

Knew this dog. You know that

24:43

this bull mastiff, this library dog

24:45

and I became friends. The.

24:48

Star did not become my friends. Do

24:50

you mean Tom Hanks? The starts on

24:52

Hang? I probably do. I probably

24:54

do. Such a sad day. We

24:58

were with us in Carmel,

25:00

this little seaside wonderful town

25:03

on the coast of arm

25:05

or California. Looking.

25:09

For a location. And

25:12

a woman comes running. I honest

25:14

to god comes running out of

25:16

a shop and says Henry Science

25:18

Oh my God does it And

25:21

of course you know Tom Hanks.

25:25

And this director of photography

25:27

when I was fired thirteen

25:29

gaze into filming said I.

25:32

Knew that this was going to

25:34

happen on that day. In.

25:37

Carmel. When you

25:39

got fired from something like that

25:41

and he talks about how your

25:43

ego got involved, was it. Triggering

25:46

four years in. The sense

25:48

that. I. Imagine there's a

25:50

loss is misplaced humiliation. But did

25:52

it take you back to those

25:54

childhood experiences? A seed? oh my.

25:56

Gosh, he went out and were

25:59

unseen home. Guys with that

26:01

never left me. That was not

26:03

just a my use that was

26:05

not just growing up that was

26:08

with me like a little friend

26:10

for my a whole life Until

26:13

about ten minutes ago I thought

26:15

oh my lord My agent at

26:17

the time said we're going to

26:20

lunch right now as a high

26:22

powered restaurant in Los Angeles in

26:24

in Hollywood I said a you

26:27

need to be seen. Well.

26:30

I enjoyed the pasta slightly. Must.

26:33

I'd like to reckoning Korea you

26:36

know. ah I make the jokes

26:38

like you know. ah. Before the

26:40

the lawn mower became electric you

26:42

had to pull it, you know

26:45

to start the motor. Okay,

26:48

And it never turned over. That. Was

26:50

my directing career. I was

26:53

a stall lawn mowers. it's.

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so home. Right now, this

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was thirty years ago. Maybe

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28:08

know that it's I'm sent a script.

28:11

By a young rider

28:13

who works for or

28:15

Michael J. Fox is

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show family ties. Really?

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Up and coming Young Rider. I

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read it six in the morning

28:24

at my desk by myself. Laugh

28:26

out loud, oh my Advocates Sunni,

28:28

It's written so well it's too

28:30

controversial. I know it to. I'm

28:32

nervous. I need to do the

28:34

next thing you know to replace

28:37

the Fonz. I'm for Schimmel Die.

28:39

I don't know what's going on.

28:41

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28:43

as it is. it's so funny

28:45

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28:47

do me a favor, read it

28:49

again. I said okay.

28:51

I read it again a week

28:53

later. it is still. On.

28:56

Believably funny. I go My God.

28:58

I can't do it. I'm sorry.

29:00

I can't do it. I read

29:02

it a third time. I.

29:05

Say this is crazy or nap This

29:07

script is so good. How can you

29:10

say no? I'm

29:12

playing a conservative talk

29:14

show host Rush Limbaugh.

29:16

Let's say, With

29:19

a a daughter who comes back

29:21

from college. With. Her

29:23

lover. She's. Now

29:25

gay. Or. She has come

29:27

out. In. College services

29:30

crazy this situation.

29:33

N. B C says okay.

29:37

I get two tickets to fly

29:40

to New York City for the

29:42

of France. The. Upfronts, every

29:44

network goes to New York

29:47

presents all of their new

29:49

shows to the advertisers are

29:51

to see who's gonna buy

29:53

time for bomb ah on

29:55

that show. You know, or

29:58

during the week to face down Now. Hi

30:00

nice car company would a

30:02

g. The. Major company that

30:04

owns N B C must have

30:07

now gotten hold of the script

30:09

Him: When are you kidding. We.

30:11

Cannot do a gay daughter

30:13

on our network. They take

30:15

my tickets. I'm sent home.

30:18

It's over. My. Ego and

30:20

there is the head of Disney

30:23

again Now eighty Said Disney and

30:25

he says we're gonna sell. We

30:29

sell it to another network. And.

30:33

They, of course. To

30:35

bend soonest. They

30:38

of course take it from

30:40

the arm right wing. Ah,

30:42

a talk show host with

30:44

a gay daughter to a

30:46

right wing talk show host

30:48

with a son who wanted

30:51

to be a lawyer and

30:53

now. He. Wants to be a. He.

30:56

Took the heart out of

30:58

the writer. He understood it

31:00

because he had a gay

31:03

system. He knew exactly what

31:05

the A once and it

31:07

was like Pablum. It was

31:09

like morse. Compared.

31:12

To this Bonnie

31:14

pointed Morello sent.

31:17

Sitcom. Is. Has now

31:20

become putting. And. Was

31:22

cancelled after six episodes. Now

31:24

at the time we bought

31:27

a Cavalier puppy. A

31:31

little puppy and we named it Monte which

31:33

was the name of the show. The

31:36

show was canceled. Now I have

31:38

to call the Dog Monte for

31:40

the rest of our lives together

31:42

and I am or something. This

31:44

puppy. That. Poor puppy did you

31:46

carry on resenting it? Well

31:49

I I I tried very hard to love

31:51

him but you know the a is a

31:53

wouldn't play ball. he just kind us it

31:55

was a lap dog. I didn't need a

31:58

lap dog. Day

32:00

Monday so. I want to

32:02

us He then advised.instinct do You

32:04

always listens of it now. You

32:08

know what? I try. I

32:11

try were. Within an

32:13

inch of my wife. I

32:16

was just offered. My

32:18

I Have A Dream on my

32:20

bucket list. I want to go

32:22

and do a broadway play. The.

32:25

First one I did open and closed in

32:27

one night. The second

32:29

one I did ran with John Ritter

32:32

rest his soul for nine months. The

32:35

third one I did closed in seven

32:37

nights. And. I wanted to make

32:39

it right. I want to go and

32:41

I was offered. A

32:44

broadway play by an

32:46

unbelievable play. And

32:49

unbelievable director. The other

32:51

parts took the audience

32:53

on a journey and

32:55

my point seem to

32:57

go. Just literally.

32:59

just. I. Was existed in

33:01

the play and I thought about it

33:04

and I had to say no. Because

33:07

that's very, very brave.

33:09

I just knew. That

33:12

if I did it I would go

33:14

to work. I would be in this

33:16

great ensemble. I

33:19

would have lunch. Him. On

33:21

on matinee days. I

33:24

would take a nap and I would

33:26

be unhappy. You're such an amazing

33:28

story teller and Ray and I'm

33:30

so delighted that more people against

33:32

be able to hear these stories

33:34

in person because you pants a

33:36

come on tour in the Uk

33:38

aren't nice. What is it? Henry

33:40

The even joy about connecting with

33:42

audiences. Do. You

33:44

know what? If

33:46

I do it correctly, You.

33:50

Stand on the stage. You

33:55

seal. The. Audience

33:57

you can seal. They.

34:01

Are leaning forward because they want

34:03

to be there? Oh are. You.

34:06

Can seal. They. Had

34:08

too much com a

34:10

dinner and I'm. says.

34:13

They they already had their intervals during

34:16

dinner a sissy and then you have

34:18

to. Is you can seal

34:20

the energy and what it was a. To.

34:23

Just them into a cohesive,

34:26

undulating, wonderful bunch of human

34:28

beings that we are are

34:30

together. I just enjoy mean

34:32

them. I don't need to

34:34

be ah you know and

34:36

are in a hole where

34:38

it gets dark. I

34:41

want to. I want to see all

34:43

those wonderful people. You

34:46

know? and hopefully. I.

34:48

Tell my story as truthfully as

34:51

I can. It connects. With.

34:53

Somebody somewhere in that for

34:55

muscle. Looking forward to a

34:57

fish and chips. Oh excellent,

34:59

Glad to hear that! Ssssss.

35:02

This. How how beautiful

35:04

it is Henry that we

35:07

started this conversation with a

35:09

child who was unseen and

35:11

were ending it with that

35:14

same child on stage not

35:16

only being seen that seeing

35:18

others and I wonder if

35:20

I could ask you what

35:23

you think you would say

35:25

now aged seventy eight to

35:27

that child who felt. Sorry.

35:30

Unloved, The first thing

35:32

that comes to my mind is this is

35:35

not your loss in life. That

35:38

we as individuals are powerful

35:40

enough. To.

35:43

Take. Our life by

35:46

our own warns. And

35:49

ride. That.

35:51

Bowl. And. Stay on

35:54

it. I. Love

35:56

that! There is a meadow.

35:59

Where The. The sound of

36:01

music was filmed. In

36:04

the mountains. That is

36:06

when waiting for you. To. Run

36:08

through it. Henry Winkler.

36:11

thank. You so so much for

36:13

coming on high to sale and we

36:15

are so excited to see on. These

36:17

shows very very seen. Thank.

36:19

You. And

36:22

remember all on see your failures

36:25

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