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Welcome , kirsten . Thanks for jumping on and

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thanks for tuning in , guys . Another episode

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of the Human Spirit Podcast . Would

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you like to start off just by introducing yourself and

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just what you're out there doing and how

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you ended up here , potentially .

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Sure , so , hi , I'm

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Kirsten Hirangi . Yeah

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, we've met a year ago and

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it was just really good to see the path that you're on

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and also feel like it's a bit like-minded

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to what I've been doing for many years . So

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, yeah , at the moment I work a mix

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of large corporate organisations

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and change culture and

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work on people's strategies . I

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call it human potential , but that isn't

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sort of everything about me . Like my

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whole life , I've really been devoted to spirit

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, to different things that we can do to bring

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about the higher consciousness in people

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, so it sort of all complements each

1:41

other . But definitely lately

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, um , there's just such a strong focus

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at the moment on what I call ascension

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, um , and also all the

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things that we can do to bring about a new earth

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. So that's probably my main theme

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.

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What would you describe ascension

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as ?

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Ascension . For me it does sound

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like it's a bit about going upward , but

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it's actually becoming sort

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of well higher and higher frequencies

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. So some people use the word frequency

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, some people use the word vibration

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, but going to moving away from

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density , which is where we've

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been for thousands and thousands of

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years , and moving more into

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, yeah , aspects

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where we're really tapping into our spirit

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, so our higher self

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, moving up from what we call 3D

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, which is very dense , three-dimensional

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, and moving it to the fifth

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dimension , which is what a lot of people focus on

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, and then you can go right

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up to 12 . So what

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can we do to move into these higher

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frequencies , but

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for the purpose of actually having more

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love , more peace , more joy

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, more skills , more peace , more joy , more skills , more mastery , more

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amazing talents and even who

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knows , shape-shifting ?

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We can do a lot of things when we move into that

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realm , and

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so you said you've been on this

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journey for a while .

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How long really , and how did this journey start for you ? I

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mean , I feel like everybody has that connection to , to spirit , so it just depends when

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it becomes awakened . Um , probably someone like me . I've

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been really into it my whole life . Um

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, so right in my 20s

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I just noticed that I was a little bit different

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. Um , for me , spirit

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is about being independent and being

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a free thinker as well . So

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back in the day I was really quite conscious of health and I didn't do

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the vaccinations myself on my children . I

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just had a lot of different things that I was doing

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. I explored lots of different religions , but

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ultimately it was like I was on a quest

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to try and find the truth or try and

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find answers . So it's been a bit of a long journey and lots of amazing

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things Interesting . You said it was like I was on a quest to try and find the truth or try and find answers . So it's been a bit

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of a long journey and lots of amazing things .

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You said was Interesting

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. You said was .

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Did I .

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Yeah , was in the journey . So

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have you , after exploring

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different religions and different , I guess

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, aspects of spirituality , have you come to some

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sort of maybe not even a conclusion , but maybe

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a sense of like peace and content with where

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you're at spiritually ?

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Yeah , yeah , yeah , and I

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feel it's not just . You know , I've become

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an alignment , but this is a time

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where people who really have been committed are

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really feeling the difference and

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feeling the change from all that we've

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gone through .

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So I have yeah , I'm at

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a state of mind , being

4:36

at the moment , which is pretty awesome yeah

4:38

, that's cool , yeah , hey

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I love that I can see it as well yeah

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, and so when you say people are feeling

4:45

sort of change . Can you maybe describe what kind of

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like feelings and if someone you

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know is , I guess , slowly tapping

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into this part of themselves , what's

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that like in the early stages and what's the different

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types of feelings you might have when changing

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through this type of process ?

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Well , I'd say that in our life we

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make choices . So

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I'll go right back to the essence of what I feel

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. We are creator , we are spirit

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, so we are the original source . And

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then we wanted to experience

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creation , or something we wanted to experience

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and expand . So that's what ? Creation

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is everything we see around us , feel

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, and then from that we're

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like a fractal of that . So that fractal

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wants to go out and have an experience

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. And so for a period of time

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we actually choose to make sure

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that we are absolutely accepting

5:35

the way the world is . So

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it's like people

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can tell us things and we just go no , that's not

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true . And then at some point

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something happens where we go , actually

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I think there's more to it than this . So

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that's probably the first sign when

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you start going hey , I think

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there's more to this than what I've been told

5:55

. And when that happens , slowly

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things start to shift and you

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start going through all the processes of

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noticing what's going wrong in the world

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, noticing what you don't like , but

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then also noticing and trying to find

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those things that make you feel good . So it's

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that time , that's probably the time when people

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are awakening . I've got two

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sons and they're in their 20s and

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amazing beings and it's

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like I could just see they are choosing

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to have their cool life of experiences

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. You know they also have some bad experiences

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. but they want it Like we all want it . We

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don't want to have you

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know something else say you know you have to live

6:34

in a certain way , so especially it you

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know , when you're in your 20s . You start to question

6:39

things then , but before that you know

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you're really having a good time , enjoying everything

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this world has to offer and giving it a go

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because I have a similar sort

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of a very similar belief with that like being

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source , and I mean fractal being

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human here .

6:54

um , how did you come to that

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sort of realization yourself and

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um , why

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do you think that it's kind of hard

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to get to so many people earlier

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? Do you think that's a part of the natural process and

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something that comes about naturally , or do you feel like it's

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something that you have to seek

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and kind of practice

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as well ?

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I feel like what's happened for the last many

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centuries is that , well

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, we had two choices . We could be self

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, which is creator , or spirit

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. We could be self-serving self . So

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we're really just having an individual

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experience . We're feeling really separate . It's

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all about me . It's all about what can I achieve in this world

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of lots of money and things and power

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and status . Or we could be

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self-serving the greater selves , some

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people call it the greater good . So

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when we're on the self-serving self

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, you know life tends to be quite hard

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because we haven't got that inner peace . So that

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might be enough to wake us up . Or

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after a while we realise , you know , it's dog eat dog , because the people we're hanging out with are really

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only serving themselves . They might be nice to us

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if they're above us , you know , wanting

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us to serve them . You know it's all a very

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, not a very nice place to be . So

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for me , that's actually

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the narrative that's been playing

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out for centuries . It's

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been those types of people , spirit , who have just chosen

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that as the path , because you know it gives a

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buzz . You know , when you get a new car or you get a

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new job or you get a million dollars

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, you feel something really strong . When

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you have power over you get that sort

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of buzz . You know there's a lot of quite

8:30

narcissistic and negative , strong

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emotional feelings of victory

8:35

that one can get along that path which

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makes them feel like they're succeeding . But

8:40

ultimately , when we realize

8:42

that self-serving the greater selves , so

8:44

you're still really looking after yourself

8:46

, you're looking after love , self-love , but

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you're also really conscious of the impact

8:51

that you're having on everyone around you , as well as

8:53

the earth , so you'll start

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to notice the difference between the two . So

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that's a good indicator , I

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find , of people and

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there's a lot of people who like

9:04

serving the greater good but yet they

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are . You know they've

9:08

got trauma and they've got triggers and so

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they're in defence . So if someone

9:13

is nasty to them , you know they could retaliate

9:15

with aggression . So it might

9:18

look like they're very selfish , but deep down

9:20

it's . They want to do good , but they've actually

9:22

got a lot of stuff that they're doing well .

9:24

So , when you think about having that trauma and

9:26

that negativity and that negative

9:28

energy you being unable to solve , it is

9:30

that .

9:31

It's harder because you're

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like really deep down at an emotional

9:35

level .

9:36

You're just trying to look after yourself , because

9:38

you're a friend , so

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you say like working yourself , obviously , healing yourself , and then going

9:42

out to help others . Yeah yeah

9:44

, ideally .

9:46

Yeah , I mean , often people are trying to help

9:48

others , but yet they can't help themselves

9:50

.

9:50

And then it's just a bit of a vicious cycle

9:52

. Yeah , I guess how one having

9:54

helped yourself and two

9:56

like how could other people help

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themselves . So what's the kind of steps

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or practices or I know that everything's kind of

10:03

an option as well , like you know . So , like yoga is a practice

10:05

for some people , then some of them might be religious

10:07

, and so there's different avenues to kind of find

10:09

that by yourself . But I guess what kind of works for you and

10:12

what would you recommend as like a I guess

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a staple , like a general sort

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of thing ?

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yeah , um , probably no staple

10:19

besides listening to one's intuition . Like

10:22

the element is just starting to trust

10:24

, trust , trust ourselves , starting to go , oh

10:26

, that doesn't feel right . I'm not comfortable with that

10:29

. Like that's the beginning , um

10:31

, and then after a while it gets

10:33

stronger and stronger . But generally you've

10:36

got the external , uh , with

10:38

lots of temptations and exciting

10:40

bells and whistles , and then you've

10:42

got the internal . So I'd say

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if there was some sort of um , you know

10:46

one way to do it , it would be start to notice

10:48

the inner . So start to

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to , to choose things

10:53

that are making one feel good . So

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that could be , like I said , yoga , um

10:57

, things like meditation . A lot of people

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go , oh , I can't meditate because their mind is so

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busy , um , but it's

11:04

about having the ability to be a little bit

11:06

silent , um , and

11:08

then people are going oh , I don't want to do that

11:10

, because now I'll hear all my voices , my thoughts

11:13

and my mind . I'd say the

11:15

easiest thing is nature , because nature

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is a perfect replication

11:19

of the natural order of everything

11:21

. It is spirit , it

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permeates spirit , it's perpetual

11:26

, and that's why for many years

11:28

I've been really into nature . We

11:30

lived off grid , we got into

11:33

bamboo because that was helping save trees

11:35

and even bamboo has anions

11:37

in the air , and there was all these benefits

11:39

that I found working with nature and

11:42

being in nature and running retreats in nature

11:44

. So , yeah

11:47

, I'd say nature is probably the first thing that

11:49

a lot of people naturally do . They'll go to the

11:51

beach or they'll go for a bushwalk or something . So

11:53

if we can get ourselves into nature as much

11:55

as possible , a lot of amazing things happen

11:58

. And then , yeah

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, it's about , like I use the analogy of

12:02

animals . I've learned to communicate

12:05

with animals , even nature

12:07

, but everything

12:09

in nature transmits and receives

12:11

. So we

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just transmit because we've got

12:16

words . Our words are just so

12:18

filling our minds there's no room for receiving

12:21

and that's all meditation is , it's

12:23

an ability to just have a bit more

12:25

silence . Yeah , like to start

12:27

letting those thoughts move and focus

12:30

on one thing . It might be a candle , it

12:32

might be a mantra , it might be your breath

12:34

, but it's allowing the mind

12:36

to just sort of get out of the way so we can start

12:38

to receive . And when we do

12:41

, oh my God , amazing things happen . Like

12:43

we start to feel a really strong

12:45

hunch to do something . We

12:48

feel love , we feel excitement

12:50

, we feel like we've found an answer

12:52

. A lot of people are looking for answers

12:55

. So it's just that ability to get

12:57

into that state of being . So

12:59

yoga is really good at that , because it's

13:01

allowing a person to start noticing their breath

13:03

and then they start noticing what's

13:06

happening . So they're putting pressure on themselves

13:08

, but they're learning to not let that mind

13:11

take over , Whereas if you

13:13

do some sort of hardcore training which

13:15

I've done in the past when I was younger you

13:17

know you're so focused on achievement

13:19

versus you know serenity and

13:21

calm and ability to deal with hardship

13:23

and let go of the mind as well . I'm just

13:25

doing that , but maybe not for you , because

13:28

you're an expert on fitness as well

13:30

.

13:31

Yeah , I think it's play . Play

13:33

comes up for me quite a bit like , just like whenever

13:36

you're doing something like play and

13:38

it's like you know you could play a serious role

13:40

, like you know I could play as a ceo , I could

13:42

play as a musician

13:45

, play like and life as well , like

13:47

you know , I think that's the essence of things , and so like

13:50

underlying my philosophy

13:52

or like in my character , even though I do something

13:55

, I try to remind myself that it's a play

13:57

. I'm putting on a mask and I'm going out

13:59

there and don't take it too seriously , even

14:01

though I can act serious in that role for a little bit , like

14:04

there's a part of me that knows like it's not

14:06

, it's not all like serious

14:08

.

14:08

Well , it's all smoke and mirrors

14:10

, it's like the whole 3D , this third-dimensional

14:13

world is actually emotionally

14:15

space and a little

14:17

bit of matter . And it's energy and

14:19

it's frequency , and it's the

14:22

interactions that are going on .

14:23

Yeah , I think the word illusion comes from

14:25

the root word of play as well . The

14:29

word persona is mask , a

14:32

lot of these things . I feel like they just

14:34

kind of elicit

14:36

that sort of like playful essence

14:38

, and I think that's the point of a song is

14:40

not to finish a song , it's to

14:43

play it and we live in a universe

14:45

and it means it's quite song-like

14:47

and I think there's all these clues around

14:49

that and I was actually to

14:52

add your point to nature , like I was this one . I was listening to

14:54

bruce lipton quite recently

14:56

. He talks a lot about , like you know , um , how we are

14:58

receivers as well as transmitters and our

15:00

body is designed to receive our

15:03

unique consciousness . So it's like we , like

15:05

our consciousness , enters that field , which is that

15:07

space you're talking about , and then

15:09

being open to receive

15:12

, like your uniqueness actually

15:14

speaks through

15:16

you and to you in your body . So

15:19

our bodies are designed as , like

15:21

these , receivers , and it's interesting you also

15:23

spoke about how , like the body , like

15:26

in terms of reincarnation , so

15:28

if you have a new body , it's different to you , but

15:31

it had your , like , your

15:33

antenna , like

15:36

the information for your receiver or your information , then you get downloaded

15:38

into a new body , is different to you , but it had your , like your antenna , like the information for your receiver or your information . Then you get

15:40

downloaded into a new body and that's how reincarnation would work . So things are kind of like a television

15:43

with a chat with a channel . So television is the

15:45

body and then the channel is like actually

15:47

your spirit , and so whenever the right

15:49

body pops up for that channel

15:51

, you channel through well

15:54

, your choosing is an intent .

15:55

So yeah , we've been running

15:57

retreats . We just finished one in new zealand

15:59

. It was called uh

16:02

initiation and we had it involved

16:04

with the maori over there . I'm part

16:06

maori and we had

16:08

it in a marae which is a place of

16:10

Maori culture and tradition

16:13

. And wow , that's pretty

16:15

amazing because there's

16:17

so much about ancestors . So a lot of

16:19

the modern culture doesn't talk

16:21

about that . In fact they shun it and say it's not

16:23

true . But yet in our culture

16:25

we definitely feel our grandparents . You know , once

16:27

they pass away and a lot of cultures do so

16:36

, it's that whole cycle and connection with that which is beyond this physical

16:39

realm . So it's just saying , you know , coming again into into

16:41

form and then also knowing

16:43

that you've got the support of your ancestors

16:45

. So probably my biggest things

16:47

now , after all of my

16:49

journey , and such is . Ancient

16:52

cultures hold a lot of the

16:54

secrets because they were very

16:57

one with nature and then

16:59

nature . So nature is just already

17:01

, luckily , by default , still

17:03

okay . You know , everything else has

17:05

become a bit artificial and

17:07

then there's just been going back to that idea

17:10

of self-serving self . There's been an

17:12

imbalance of people who have

17:14

been able to go into roles of responsibility

17:16

, and you

17:18

know they're mentally insane

17:21

. You know a lot of them . They're brilliant as well . Yeah

17:23

, because they really are unwell

17:25

. You know mental health we want to talk about that

17:28

. Well , there's a lot of people in positions of

17:30

responsibility that are out of balance and

17:32

so they are so defensive

17:34

to the point that they'll press the button just

17:36

to make sure they're okay , rather than the

17:38

greater good . So we've just

17:40

created that for ourselves , because of our

17:42

free will . But I wouldn't say

17:44

that every person feels like

17:47

they created that . I feel like most

17:49

people are really good . You know , most

17:51

people are trying to do the right thing

17:53

, but most people get sucked into

17:55

the moment of a child's born to do

17:58

it the way that someone says to do

18:00

it . So that's why the

18:02

spirituality becomes a game , because

18:04

it should have been a natural birthright

18:06

, especially in a culture that's so pristine

18:09

and loving and kind with elders

18:11

and kindness that they really

18:13

want the best for their children . If that

18:15

was the case , then the child would be , you

18:17

know , born into an environment where they get

18:19

support to be their most purest , amazing

18:22

self . But

18:24

you know , it's just not the case at the moment . I

18:27

don't want to go into doomsday because it's so exciting

18:29

. It's actually changing . That's why , when

18:31

you turn the light on , all you see is a lot of

18:33

darkness and , you know , dust in

18:35

the corners and things . That's all we're seeing . Right

18:37

now . We've got the light on so bright

18:39

that we're seeing all the things that just

18:41

don't work anymore that are corrupt

18:43

, that are wrong , you know . So

18:46

the key is not to get sucked

18:48

into that , not to think it has power

18:51

. It used to have power because we believed

18:53

it . All we were doing was we were believing

18:55

it yeah , belief is everything

18:57

you know .

18:58

It changes our culture as well . Is there

19:00

a particular ancient culture

19:02

that you're actually into ?

19:03

is that more like your back , your heritage , or

19:05

I feel like I , so you know

19:07

I've explored maori . I've luckily

19:10

grew up with a mother who was really

19:13

. Maori . So

19:19

she also introduced the first Maori culture and language back to the schools . As part of the political

19:21

party that did that . I had really radical sort

19:24

of ancestors , as well as cousins and

19:26

aunties and uncles , so

19:29

I explored that . One thing though

19:31

, you know Christianity and other things had come in

19:33

and there was , yeah , just a very strong sense

19:36

of male being higher

19:38

than female . So yet I knew

19:40

that our ancient culture women were valued

19:42

just as much . So I kept searching

19:45

Sequence of

19:47

events . Once you start living your life where

19:49

you're trusting your intuition , you end

19:51

up being called to certain places . So I

19:53

lived in the Cook Islands for a couple of months

19:55

and I got to see that the

19:57

original canoes that Maori

20:00

people are associated with

20:02

came like . Seven of the eight came from

20:04

Rarotonga and one which

20:06

is my family line came from Aitutaki

20:09

, which is a further island , and also

20:11

Tahiti . But then I got to meet

20:13

a genealogy expert which

20:16

is called a tumu koredo , so he's like a shaman

20:18

, and he charted

20:20

to me just history so far

20:22

back right to Hawaii . So

20:25

you know , that intrigued me . And then I see

20:27

things like Kontiki . I don't know if you've seen that

20:29

movie with Thor . That's a replication

20:31

in the 1940s of some

20:34

Austrians who were following a

20:36

raft that supposedly went from Peru

20:38

all the way into the Pacific Islands . So

20:41

that was proved to be true because

20:43

they gave it a go . So

20:45

there's the migration . Well

20:48

, I'd say in the last couple

20:50

of years , being really committed to this because

20:53

it feels so good to be in spirit

20:55

, yeah , I am

20:57

getting ancient memories , I am getting what

20:59

people call the Akashic records . I

21:02

have already had a lot of my past lives

21:05

which I'm not too fussed about because you know

21:07

most of what's happened in the last thousands

21:09

and thousands of years I'd say you know . You

21:11

know 10 000 has been warlike

21:13

, has been self-serving

21:16

self and it's been

21:18

dominated by those small

21:20

percentage of people where most people

21:22

have had to put up with that and get a lot of trauma . So

21:24

in life we've got to let go of the trauma

21:26

of our past lives . I've had to help my

21:28

family lines of seven generations before

21:31

me and seven after . I'm sure , now

21:33

that it's cleared um deal with

21:35

the alcoholism for example that came

21:37

into a lot of Indigenous cultures like

21:39

my culture . My great-grandmother

21:42

was a Tohunga , which is a shaman

21:44

, and she was given that at

21:46

nine years old , but then she got there

21:49

was a suppression act that stopped anyone

21:51

doing that in New Zealand . So after

21:54

that my grandmother became an alcoholic

21:56

with my grandfather . So it's like we

21:59

are all dealing with a lot of shit . We're

22:01

dealing with our shit , we're dealing with trauma

22:04

of many centuries . It sounds big but

22:06

it's not that big once you learn some simple

22:08

techniques which we can get into . But

22:10

I would say I've gone right

22:12

back to the essence of what we were originally

22:15

and I call it moo and

22:17

many people are feeling this awakening

22:19

to that . Many of us were from that

22:22

time and that's why we're so staunch and

22:24

strong in this lifetime , where nothing's

22:26

really wavered us to believe

22:28

things , we for some reason thought

22:30

eating organic food was just like

22:33

. How could people not ? But now

22:35

it's not about judgment , but it's like there's a lot

22:37

of us that are like this . So I feel we're

22:39

actually from the original and

22:42

maori people call it , and then in the pacific

22:44

call it tiki tiki people . So

22:46

the original man or human , and

22:48

the original was actually um

22:51

, coming from ether , uh

22:53

and without density . So

22:55

we were able to be , to

22:57

just feel what it's like to be a tree . We're able

22:59

to feel what it's like to be a whale

23:02

or a dolphin . So

23:04

this idea of shape-shifting it

23:06

makes more sense when you think of beings

23:09

that were more spirit , that came into

23:11

form and then , after a while , I chose

23:13

to be fully human . But

23:15

, like now , I can still feel a tree

23:17

, I can feel a dog , I

23:20

can talk to them Like . This is a skill

23:22

that a lot of us have . That we've

23:24

been programmed not to believe is true

23:26

, and we've also never learnt it

23:28

or never had it activated . So

23:31

the exciting thing is

23:33

by going right back to the original him

23:35

, which wasn't rummaging

23:37

around . You know , like

23:39

what they're trying to say , who we are . We were

23:41

very high vibration beings who

23:44

were one with nature and one with everything

23:46

, with a lot of love and compassion .

23:48

It's the kind of thing , the idea of ourselves

23:51

, that we're not actually a physical form . So

23:53

it's not identifying with your physical self . It's like

23:55

you're in shape shift from a human to

23:57

something . It's more identifying with the spirit

23:59

of a human that can shape

24:01

shift , because it's the spirit that enters different things

24:04

, and so it's like you have the etheric body .

24:07

Yeah , well said .

24:09

Yeah , because I can kind of imagine it the same

24:11

way . It's not like me changing . I'm like

24:13

people are going to be like oh , it's a shapeshifter . Yeah that's

24:15

what confuses people . I don't get these magical powers

24:17

of shapeshifting . Well

24:22

, you probably could if you become lighter and more specific . Oh sorry , yeah , but my actual physical

24:24

body doesn't like change right .

24:26

It's more like People

24:29

, even now we can see like

24:31

Gloves . Even

24:36

now we can see um , like globes . Well , I get people and I've seen

24:38

like you see someone's face change like oh yeah , and you can see

24:40

their parts . You know , you see , they take on a persona of

24:42

a certain animal , you know , like where

24:44

they come from ?

24:45

yeah , and that's .

24:46

There's something , it's more like the spiritual

24:48

vision seeing another person

24:50

and going .

24:50

I've just seen something shift in

24:53

you and whether the person felt

24:56

that , or not , yeah , it's interesting because

24:58

actually I can verify that 100

25:00

, because the last week

25:02

it was last weekend I went to a meditation

25:04

school in sydney and

25:07

they had us , like meditating for about

25:09

, let's say what , 20 minutes first

25:11

and did a couple of meditations . What

25:14

you do is you meditate on the third eye , you

25:16

try to open that up by feeling it and tapping

25:19

into the vibration of where the third eye will be

25:21

located and then , once you start

25:23

to resonate with that and start to feel the pulsation

25:25

of that , you come out of your meditation and then

25:27

you sit across from someone looking in the eyes

25:30

, just dead in the eyes , for about 15 to

25:32

20 minutes . Someone

25:34

looking in the eyes , just dead in the eyes , about 15 to 20 minutes . And I didn't have

25:36

this experience , so I can't . I was like , how's it going ? I was the only person that didn't have

25:38

it , but it's fine . Um , my

25:40

sister , my friend as well , who aren't , as

25:43

I guess they're not as knowledgeable

25:45

with spiritual stuff , but they're just open

25:47

to exploring it and I think that's potentially

25:49

why they're more open . Um , and

25:51

so they had they like , if you're looking

25:53

at someone , saw different faces , saw

25:56

animals , like my sister was looking at someone and turned

25:58

to her like hey , and then I was looking at someone that

26:00

had like a thousand different faces and like it

26:02

was just bizarre and I was like , oh , everyone's

26:04

tripping out of here . So it was really

26:06

, really cool to see , like , and there was about 25

26:08

people . So

26:15

then everyone was saying the same thing um . So it's cool , I think it's really um , but

26:17

it's not about essentially wasn't about also visions . it's more about the feeling of things

26:19

yeah , and I've heard that a lot recently , even

26:21

like past lives in terms

26:24

of the practice of , and how you get there

26:26

, how you remember , isn't through vision

26:28

, it's through emotion , and then

26:30

the emotion sparks the experience

26:32

. The visceral experience is that ? Is that correct ? Is that the

26:34

same thing for you ? Like it's ?

26:36

well , they call it , they're all eclairs . So you've

26:38

got visual audio kinesthetic

26:40

. Um , everybody's going to have something different

26:42

different or unique , so it just depends

26:44

on the person . It's like when we first

26:46

, when I was a facilitator , we would talk

26:49

about visualization , some people go I

26:51

can't see anything . But it's not visual

26:53

, it's actually , do you ?

26:54

feel something ?

26:55

do you hear something um ? So it really depends

26:58

on the person . So , as long as

27:00

they accept they are unique and they've

27:02

got their own way in which they perceive

27:04

things . Yeah , so , like a

27:06

is a maori word for

27:08

a shaman , so things that you

27:11

in South America or an oracle

27:13

, but there's the seer . So

27:16

my line is more the seer , there's

27:18

, you know , the healer , there's the herbalist

27:21

, there's a whole array . Also

27:23

, you know someone who can see dead people

27:25

and help them to the light . There's

27:28

many types of skills that we've got

27:31

and through the different lifetimes we've had

27:33

, we can tap into what we were

27:35

most likely for . Now you know

27:37

, and then we can always develop in a lifetime

27:39

. You know some other skills , um

27:41

, but at the moment we have so much

27:43

we can tap into because we've had so

27:45

many lives not everybody's had as many I

27:48

feel like I'm a definitely a really old soul

27:50

and that's why I chose to come

27:52

here at this time . I chose

27:55

to have my soul contract with myself

27:57

. It's not like someone else made it for me to

27:59

support this change that's going on , because

28:02

it's time . We could have gone one

28:04

way , and after 1987 we could

28:06

have actually gone the wrong way . You know , we could

28:08

have blown the earth up , but it's

28:10

changing and it's changed and

28:12

the people coming through now are

28:15

like the kids and children are like amazing

28:18

. I mean the only challenge is at

28:20

the time that this is happening , you've got more

28:22

vaccinations , more chemicals being put

28:25

into mothers who are having babies

28:27

and children . You know , at the moment they're

28:29

born , they're being shut so many needles

28:31

of things . So , but the

28:33

amazing thing is , as a human is spirit

28:35

, so we can defy any

28:38

physical thing . It's going

28:40

to take maybe a little bit more effort , but

28:42

, um , you know , there's lots

28:44

of us who just chose not to go

28:46

down that path because we're on a mission

28:48

to do what we're doing . And then there's

28:51

, you know , some who may , um , and that's

28:53

all cool , they say . I think

28:55

, I feel , and even in the last couple of weeks

28:57

, there's some massive stuff going on . There's , if you

28:59

look at the solar flares , there's just constant

29:02

shifts and what's going on with light

29:04

? Um , so I've

29:06

been sun gazing for many years and

29:09

sun gazing just at the time of sunrise

29:11

and sunset , you

29:13

, you get a lot of code . So if

29:15

we really accept because

29:17

science is saying it now that everything is frequency

29:20

, everything is light , everything is

29:22

vibration , so

29:24

there's so much supporting

29:26

us , it's not like we're doing this alone . As humans

29:29

, we've got all of nature

29:31

like love us , you

29:33

know trees , everything actually

29:35

wants to evolve into

29:38

a more loving , higher dimension

29:40

, and so there's

29:43

a lot that's happening right now that's shifting

29:45

. I do feel myself

29:47

that , because I'm up chosen

29:49

this path , everything is so much lighter

29:51

. I'm feeling people are so much

29:53

more loving for me and but then out

29:55

there in the world , with those who are still trying to hold

29:58

on to the control and believe it , they're

30:00

really struggling . So it's making

30:03

me feel more and more compassion for

30:05

people at the moment because of the it's

30:08

like you can take two roads and

30:10

the ones who are still trying to hold on to

30:12

the old thinking , it's true , they're

30:14

really struggling and really

30:16

in fear . And then you know , they put on the

30:18

TV and all of a sudden there's 50,000

30:21

things to be fearful about . The thing

30:23

that keeps people suppressed is fear , is

30:26

guilt and is

30:28

shame . So the

30:31

key that I've found Shrouded feelings , vibrations , yeah

30:33

, shame

30:36

. So , um , the key that I've found vibrations , yeah , like , for me and the last few

30:38

couple of years , has been about letting go of any guilt and shame , because you know

30:40

, I've done things . I'm not , I'm not perfect

30:42

, but that's the , the programming

30:45

that's so deep . Sometimes you

30:47

can just feel guilty that you , you're supposed to be somewhere

30:50

else rather than here . Should I be doing

30:52

that instead of this , like it's so

30:54

deep . But when we free ourselves

30:56

from that , knowing that we are ever-evolving

30:59

, expanding spirit beings

31:01

and we're not supposed to be

31:03

perfect , we are actually able

31:06

to keep experimenting . Like , as you said , the

31:08

child you know children

31:10

, the innocence I could go into

31:12

that topic . I love the idea , like , at the

31:14

moment , my mantras that are

31:17

pure , innocent , wild

31:19

, like that's my

31:22

, my focus at the moment . Like the

31:24

innocence you know the innocence of a child

31:26

. I've done a lot of research about nature

31:29

and its benefits to work environments , for

31:31

example , and people

31:33

who have curiosity

31:35

, wonderment , awe tend

31:38

to be high achievers and also

31:40

childlike when you think about it

31:42

, and what brings out the most of that

31:44

is nature . So , like

31:46

here in Manly Beach , I've been

31:48

one of the swimmers going around to Shelley Beach and

31:50

back in the ocean . You see all of the fish and you just see these adults . They're all like

31:52

what swimmin's going around to shelly beach and back in the ocean , you see all of the fish and you should see these adults

31:54

. They're all like what . Oh my god , if you saw

31:57

the grouper and I saw the something

31:59

or other and and

32:01

it's like the char comes out and

32:03

a lot of the people who do that swim , which is

32:06

1.6 kilometers . They're

32:08

like really resilient beings , and a lot of them are

32:10

very successful in business , for

32:12

example , because and

32:14

I you know , I've got one friend who's in

32:16

a , really a ceo of an organization

32:19

where he's dealing with so much heavy

32:21

stuff in the world , but he's the most lightest

32:23

person I've met and I feel

32:25

it's because they've tapped into

32:27

nature , they've tapped into all

32:30

wonderment , curiosity , they've tapped

32:32

into their childlike self again .

32:33

Is that a play ? A play , yeah

32:36

, they see life as a play which is very

32:38

much like I

32:40

thought that was his name , shakespeare

32:42

. Shakespeare was saying that as well

32:44

. And what I found interesting about the whole frequency

32:47

of science , he said like oh , science is catching

32:49

up and recognizing it . It's like

32:51

well , science has been based

32:53

off energy and frequency for

32:55

a very long time . Like all that technology has come

32:57

from pretty much Nikola Tesla

32:59

. It's like 80 percent of the technology

33:02

that you see today is somehow

33:04

linked and correlated to his work because

33:06

, of the ACDC currents , so alternate

33:08

and direct currents , as

33:11

opposed to before there was just direct currents , before he

33:14

actually came up with the idea , and so that pretty

33:16

much all of our technology is based

33:18

off this thing . And his most

33:21

famous quote was that once people

33:24

start to see the world in terms of frequency and vibration

33:26

, like elevate to another level , and so

33:28

it's kind of interesting like yeah , science is proving it

33:30

, but like we've already proven

33:32

this a very long time ago and we're

33:35

just coming to realize it , so I know it can sound weird to

33:37

people and that's the thing I'm , I

33:39

guess , trying to navigate

33:41

on this podcast in particular , but also just in life

33:43

in general is like trying to show

33:46

people like the science and logic behind spirituality

33:49

, because I think there's so much logic behind

33:51

it and I think it's more logical than than

33:53

the latter um . It's just , it's

33:55

just trying to break that um , that

33:58

lens a little bit to help people see it in that

34:00

way a bit more and try to connect dots a bit , and I think

34:02

that's maybe what you do as

34:04

well in terms of being a seer and

34:06

that would mean , like you can see the

34:08

dots between things , and so your role is

34:10

to help others uncover

34:12

the dots , because you've laid

34:14

apart by connecting . Is that what you mean

34:17

? Well , thank you , I might , that's right .

34:19

Well , you know , that's why

34:21

I feel this theory that I've noticed

34:24

in myself before . I knew this was the

34:26

ability to look at the whole world and see

34:28

what's happening , really like the truth

34:31

, and then go

34:33

what caused that and then go

34:36

back to what was the belief behind that

34:38

. So my whole fascination with

34:40

human potential has been that . But

34:42

back then I was like trying to find a solution

34:45

, an external solution , and you

34:47

know , I could put it right back to knowing there's no such

34:50

thing . It's like whatever . So

34:52

, science-wise , for me it's the

34:55

seer is the ability to just

34:57

trust , right at a cellular level

34:59

, that we are like the cell and the universe

35:01

is like the cell . And that

35:03

, yeah , it's like you

35:06

go back to the core of silence and

35:08

then you see , you see the

35:10

clarity on everything , because

35:12

everything else , like you said , is an illusion

35:14

and it seems true but it's not

35:17

. You know , like the money money

35:20

is . People think they're going to achieve

35:22

something , they think it's a game

35:24

and that someone will win . Well

35:26

, no , he wins . It's just like

35:28

being in a rat race . You're just

35:31

constantly chasing something

35:33

and then you realise , oh my God , I'm going to lose my

35:35

health if I keep going this way . But

35:37

then when you come back , I call it like

35:39

the implosion versus explosion . So

35:42

implosion uses the inner , all

35:45

the energy that you've already got , so that's

35:47

what a cell does to grow , versus

35:50

you've got . A explosion is where you've got to get

35:52

an external thing like fuel , fossil

35:54

fuel , and then that's what fuels your rocket

35:56

or your airplane , and that's . We just

35:58

can't keep going that way . But yeah , so

36:01

going back to energy , when

36:03

you start to , I think

36:06

I'm losing my train of thought because I've got so many concepts

36:08

going on in my mind , so

36:10

see you start going . man

36:13

, if I just shift , okay , here's a practical

36:15

thing If I shift , how I approach

36:18

my next meeting . I

36:20

have a lot of online meetings and

36:22

I set intention to be

36:24

love and to seek to understand

36:27

and give more love

36:29

to everybody at the moment , because , you know , that's

36:31

the best thing I can do . People are often running

36:33

around very stressed and

36:35

if I could do that , like there's

36:37

something about my energy shift . Also

36:40

, if I'm , you know , off track , I might

36:42

have a confrontation with someone or , you

36:44

know , or something goes really wrong . So

36:48

, yeah , I suppose the seer is massive

36:50

, but it's the ability to see

36:52

what's happening and seeing it

36:54

for others too . But

36:56

nowadays , the key also that

36:59

they're more than just letting go

37:01

of guilt , shame , fear is to

37:03

let go of judgment . More than just letting

37:06

go of guilt , shame , fear is to let go of

37:08

judgment . So

37:11

the construct of the 3D world is to analyze and use the mind only

37:13

to say this is a table . You know

37:15

that's a plant . So

37:18

that analytical mind has just

37:20

taken over too much , and so

37:23

it also judges . It's constantly

37:25

judging . so I could look

37:27

at you and say , oh it's his long

37:29

, you know , and whether I like it or not , you know , but

37:32

ultimately there's a spirit

37:34

there , you know , like who cares about

37:37

everything else love's

37:39

most important , spirit's most important

37:41

, and if I connect to that

37:43

and see that , then

37:45

I see the real being how do you connect

37:48

? uh , my

37:51

dear friend simon hollington , who for

37:53

the last couple of years living back in sydney um

37:55

, I wanted to just be in nature because I've lived

37:57

off good for nine years . You know , coming back

37:59

and getting back into corporate stuff I

38:02

was like , what am I going to do in the city ? Um

38:04

, so he was running a lot of these bushwalks

38:07

into ancient sites in the northern

38:09

beaches of Sydney and

38:11

he would always do this

38:13

meditation that's going from your

38:15

mind down to your

38:17

heart . It took me two

38:20

years actually I don't think it would take anyone as long as

38:22

me , but it

38:24

just didn't dawn on me that I was so stuck in my

38:26

head I kept having all these grandiose

38:29

ideas of spirituality and nature

38:32

and solving all the problems of the world . But I

38:34

was trying to come from it , from my analytical

38:36

mind . And his meditation

38:38

actually is from the cogen mass they

38:41

came from in south america . From

38:43

them . They've been out of society , they've

38:45

never been dominated or taken

38:47

over by colonists . So they came

38:50

and brought this meditation and said

38:52

okay , guys , you all need to do this

38:54

meditation because you need to get into

38:56

this yeah so now

38:58

I can do it really quickly and can just

39:00

make sure my focus isn't my mind

39:02

, it's down where my heart is , and

39:06

then from that heart I feel light

39:08

, visualize the star

39:11

, and then I come from

39:13

that . I

39:16

also tap into above and below . So I tap into

39:18

, we call it Maori , call it Pana

39:21

. Nino is the father sky , and then Papatunuku

39:24

, mother earth

39:26

. Yeah , so the two brings about the balance of the

39:28

masculine and the feminine and I bring that

39:30

into my solar plexus , which is the masculine

39:32

, and my heart , which is the feminine , and

39:34

then that's my like power source , you

39:37

know , and if you go to the zero

39:39

point in quantum physics , for me

39:41

everything . I'll

39:43

go get into it soon , but the symbol is

39:45

the first symbol of mu . It's

39:48

got the dot in the middle and the circle on the outside

39:50

and , funnily enough , yeah

39:52

yeah , like . It's like what

39:54

we're learning now zero point um

39:56

cell , everything um .

39:58

It's the first symbol of

40:01

the first human thing to go down , because I've done a

40:03

lot of it . I've wrote about this recently

40:06

, actually .

40:07

Yeah . So yeah , I'm curious . Yeah , I mean , the

40:10

way things have unfolded for me is I get

40:12

this like a download . I

40:14

get a zero point and I'm like well , what's this zero

40:16

point ? So I Google it , you know , and then

40:18

I go down the windmill of what is it ?

40:20

oh my god , there's error pointers exactly like that

40:22

.

40:23

So the exciting thing about the

40:25

way of life like this is

40:27

that everything is like an adventure

40:29

, everything is like being a magician

40:32

. I , I set an intention

40:34

two years ago , so not

40:36

this this year , but the year before

40:38

um , yeah

40:41

, pretty much I let go of all beliefs

40:43

, besides anything that's possible and

40:47

it just allows me to look

40:49

at things and accept , okay , well

40:51

, what is this , and not analyze

40:53

it . But then , all of a sudden , you get

40:56

more hunches , you get more

40:58

proofs , synchronicities

41:00

. You go oh , I'm supposed

41:02

to read that book , because there's a strong feeling at

41:05

the moment when I see that book . So

41:07

it's like I feel it's our

41:09

oversoul , it's our higher self , it's our

41:11

higher spirit , which is connected

41:13

to everything , which is keeping an eye on us , and

41:16

we've just not listened to it . And

41:18

so they just go oh cool , you're listening .

41:21

Okay , so go left , go right , it's

41:23

us , it's not something out there yeah

41:25

, it's so very interesting like this and it's not like just

41:27

being around for a very long time yeah , that's

41:30

the scary thing to me , like this has

41:32

been around for such a long time and I'm I'm

41:35

at the point where I'm not like questioning

41:37

ancient , uh , wisdom

41:39

, I'm like how do we

41:41

lose it ? that's my biggest question . How the

41:43

hell did we lose all this information ? Unless

41:46

it was like literally like

41:48

12,000 years ago and

41:51

it was way beyond like just like kind of changed for

41:53

like 12,000 years and it wiped out sort

41:55

of thing , and we're starting again , potentially

41:57

Because , yeah , the

41:59

zero point right , so it's that , as you mentioned , it's a circle

42:01

with a dot in the middle . The

42:12

point right , so it's that's you mentioned , it's a circle with a dot in

42:14

the middle . The alchemical symbol for gold is a circle with a dot in the middle

42:16

, and the symbol of the sun is also a circle with a dot in the middle . So the sun is a . And this

42:18

is where , like , so I'm reading quantitative science versus qualitative

42:20

science . So that's what we're actually talking about . So

42:22

quantitative is like numbers

42:25

, logic , um , you can

42:27

measure it sort of thing . And qualitative

42:30

is like the linguistics , like how does something make you feel

42:32

? Like ? You know , I can't put in numbers

42:34

how you , how this interaction has

42:36

conversations , but there's definitely a sensation

42:39

. I can 100 prove that

42:41

I feel a certain way

42:43

? And so the egyptians spent a lot of time

42:46

actually trying to develop like tools and how to measure

42:48

energy , so the subtle energies

42:50

of things , and so what

42:53

they found and what

42:55

I found .

42:55

This is how , but in terms of ley lines actually

42:57

as well was

43:00

what they were doing ?

43:02

was they were ? Measuring the energy frequency

43:04

of the land . And they found that

43:06

when two rivers crossed over , so

43:09

two piles make an X in the middle , that center

43:11

point again , that zero point , the

43:14

center of something that has

43:16

a frequency . That

43:18

is the same frequency that the sun emits

43:20

, that gold emits , and like

43:24

enlightenment . So what they're

43:26

trying to do was create

43:28

monuments and places for

43:30

people to meditate in , to

43:34

download information , so

43:36

they could actually become that center

43:38

point themselves . And so the goal

43:40

of spirituality that I was reading was to actually become

43:42

the center point , to become the center

43:44

, to become gold , to become the sun , to

43:46

become enlightened , so that everything

43:48

that resonates out of you is

43:51

affected

43:53

by your goal or by

43:55

your center point . So

43:57

that was the point of spirituality . And

43:59

so what was interesting about the monuments

44:02

was they're built directly over these

44:04

ley lines that increase the frequency , and

44:07

then they would match the pyramid

44:09

with a star because

44:14

it's connecting , as you said , in your

44:16

body . So in your body you have

44:18

, like you said far , the sky and you

44:20

said the earth below , and everything's fractal

44:22

. So as above as so below , sort of thing

44:24

. So if you take the principle of up

44:26

in the sky there's

44:29

the mind chakra

44:32

and then you have the

44:34

earthly bodies and energy , then they'll

44:36

connect the stream line of energy from the

44:38

pyramid to the star , and so that's why Orion's

44:40

belt aligns perfectly with the pyramids

44:42

, and so they were trying to essentially connect

44:45

the energy flow between things and

44:48

to do all that stuff . And it's so fascinating because

44:50

I know you've done a lot of work with ley lines and song lines

44:52

and stuff .

44:53

Yeah , at the moment the whales really

44:56

gave me a lot of activation and I met

44:58

someone who found the same

45:00

. They came to Australia and at that time the

45:02

whales were going up and down the coast of Australia

45:04

. I

45:11

moved to north starbrook island . I just went there in october

45:13

yeah so october , just before we ran a retreat there

45:15

and on 11 , 11 . But I just saw

45:18

all these whales and I didn't know at that

45:20

time what was happening , but I was like

45:22

I have to move , move here . So I moved out

45:24

of Sydney and moved there really quickly and

45:27

then I got to experience the whales and so

45:29

we're going to do another retreat when the whales are

45:31

there . And so I

45:33

suppose I didn't know fully what was happening , but

45:36

I had a confirmation from a few people

45:38

that , yeah , even the

45:40

ancient cultures say that the whales are so

45:42

ancient that they've been holding sunlimes

45:45

because we've just , especially on land

45:47

, we've just decimated it , you know , chopped

45:49

it up and chucked things on top of things

45:52

. And so , yeah , there's luckily

45:54

the ocean which they're trying to , you know

45:56

, do the seismic stuff underneath , which is terrible

45:58

. We all have to say no , no , no with Greenpeace

46:00

, because it's really going to affect the whales

46:03

and

46:07

the whales have been doing these migrations for thousands of years . While

46:09

we've been a bit mucked up on the earth .

46:10

Yeah , it's actually just came to me listening to

46:12

you with the whales , like , because

46:14

we talk about currents , how there's currents in the ocean

46:17

and certain animals , will you know

46:19

, jump into a current and you know , watch Nemo and

46:21

there's that current .

46:22

Yeah , well , that's what it was from . Yeah

46:25

Kontiki .

46:26

Yeah , and so they jump in , they ride the

46:28

current and we use energy

46:30

and electricity as we refer to energy

46:32

and currents as well . And so what

46:34

we're talking about because I guess we're trying to

46:36

describe ley lines , we're picking up the song lines is

46:38

that there are like energy grids for currents

46:42

that actually map over the earth

46:44

, and so , yeah

46:46

, maybe like animals are actually so in tune with

46:48

these currents and frequencies that they naturally align

46:51

to them , and that's how they're able to navigate

46:53

themselves around the world , because they're attracted

46:55

to a certain frequency or vibration

46:57

and they're just kind of following it . And we've lost

46:59

that completely . Well , they say

47:01

, when the tsunami

47:04

came to asia , all

47:06

the animals ran towards high

47:09

, high ground and then you , yeah , yeah

47:11

, yeah , so they just

47:14

know , because you work with you brought the flavor

47:16

lines and song lines yourself it's

47:18

not a big thing for me .

47:19

mine's more human potential and nature , um

47:21

, and then definitely lately , ancient

47:25

cultures , the value of the

47:27

wisdom that they offer , yeah .

47:29

Yeah , so how about , like I'm ?

47:30

so technical . But I do try and read a good strong

47:33

science quantum book just to get the essence

47:35

, just to get yeah . You know like what happens when

47:37

you're earth , when you're wearing bare feet . Yeah

47:40

, I've got the saying on my son's lap because I didn't know anything

47:42

more than this , saying Are ? I've got the saying on my son's lap because I didn't know anything more

47:44

than this , saying Are you ready ? So , as you're walking , within 20

47:46

minutes you're going to get three

47:48

electrons come through your body and

47:50

annihilate the three radicals

47:52

. And then they said so what

47:54

does that mean ? And I'm like well , sorry , I

47:57

didn't know , I don't know what else

47:59

that means , but it sounds really good .

48:00

It does sound cool , it's good to do .

48:02

yeah , that's probably the level of science that I'll get to

48:04

it's good .

48:05

It's one of those tricky things that I'm obviously

48:07

trying to like . I guess I

48:10

find it hard . I actually find it hard to read a book

48:12

, like it's not something that comes very

48:14

easy , um , but

48:16

I do enjoy it if I , like

48:18

, I'm like just taking away by the content

48:20

because , um , you get

48:22

stuck in those conversations where , like like

48:25

being in the health industry at the

48:27

moment still like , we get asked a lot

48:29

of questions and I feel like if I describe

48:31

something halfway , I'm like , okay , I'm stuck here

48:34

yeah , you probably need to know . You need to know

48:36

some stuff and um , because

48:38

I can't tell someone to go

48:40

do a barefoot walk , and they're like , even

48:42

though I did . That's one of

48:44

the other problems that I do that I do struggle with

48:46

in terms of our society . It's like , as

48:49

you would say , like intuition's everything . Like

48:51

I think so many things we

48:53

could just use our intuition for

48:56

and we didn't need to actually

48:58

go off and spend years and years and years studying

49:00

it , trying to prove it , because we're

49:02

wasting time and I don't know how much time we have in

49:04

terms of , like recovering , restoration

49:07

of forests and repairing like even our

49:09

mental health and all these things . Like I think

49:11

intuitively we know exactly what to do , but

49:14

we're kind of like overvaluing science

49:16

and overvaluing information

49:18

that we waited so long for it to come

49:20

in , get it confirmed , which might not

49:22

even be real anyway , it 20 years for the

49:24

science to catch up with what's going

49:26

on right now . so yeah , it's

49:29

just like it's so far behind

49:31

, um . So I find that really hard .

49:32

I find that really hard to kind of like I'd say I'm

49:35

like feeling in this conversation

49:37

I really you're heading into where I want to head

49:39

, like if you could say anything . Um

49:42

, the biggest con , the biggest

49:44

program , the biggest limitation

49:46

, is to feel

49:49

like you've got to go and find something external

49:51

to prove something . So

49:54

, a human , we have a really

49:56

simple gauge and that is does it feel

49:58

good , does it feel right ? And

50:01

so if we could start using

50:03

that more , like you said , you know , and then

50:05

pretty much just park

50:08

anything that's an external

50:10

piece of information , because there's

50:12

too much we can see , there's best in interest

50:14

, there's millions of people where we want us

50:16

to buy that product and say this one's good

50:18

and that one's good and that one's bad and that one's good , like you're

50:21

going to totally become confused . So

50:23

, yeah , um , I noticed , like

50:25

with my son going to high school , that they

50:27

would come back and they would debate everything

50:30

. So it's a , it's an innate skill

50:32

that people learn by the time they become an

50:34

adult , and it's like someone just

50:36

needs to say like often

50:38

they'll say to me how do you know that ? and I'm like

50:40

well , I'm not going to go there

50:42

it actually feels really right and really

50:44

good and I'm having a great time with it . And

50:47

I remember one of them said , yeah . One of

50:50

them said , oh yeah , that's

50:52

a probably better way to do it because

50:54

they've got a narrative that

50:56

they'll do most people from schooling

50:58

and university they'll go

51:01

. I need to prove it . It's like how boring

51:03

is that ? Like you said , let's get back to the play , let's

51:05

go like . I've been a career coach

51:07

and you , you have to have someone

51:09

has five options . You have to say

51:11

, okay , so how does that one

51:13

feel ? And then you , how

51:15

does this one feel ? And then you compare

51:18

the feeling and you go with the one that feels

51:21

the greatest . And then , obviously , you've still got

51:23

to have a short-term goal , short-term

51:25

career pathway to get yourself to the

51:27

ultimate . That feels so amazing

51:29

, but we're not teaching

51:31

this stuff in school , so it's , I

51:34

would say , the best thing to walk away with . To

51:36

really tap into spirit is to to

51:39

feel it . And then just notice , though

51:41

, when you've got fear and like , go with that .

51:42

And I think to add to that , I think

51:44

science and logic

51:46

, without my feeling

51:49

about it , is like that is the most

51:51

logical thing to do . If

51:53

you were to research like what's the most logical

51:55

way to make a decision , it would

51:57

probably say to follow your intuition

51:59

. If we could quantify that , you know

52:01

what I mean . Like it's like so

52:04

it's like you might as well just use your intuition anyway and

52:06

just follow that , because even if bad things happen

52:08

, it's like there's this sort of relationship that

52:10

you have and I

52:12

can't remember who spoke about it but essentially , when

52:15

you're pursuing like a sort of vision and your vision

52:17

is intangible , right , like I can't see your vision , you can't see

52:19

my vision , but both of us have visions that we have in our

52:21

life .

52:22

so it's intangible let's say so .

52:24

You can't measure that , and when we both act

52:26

upon as if that vision is real

52:28

, we have faith and belief that it can come

52:30

alive , that we

52:32

can manifest that through our actions and through

52:34

the way we act to act the world , then

52:36

our actual physiology changes , our

52:39

mood changes , we get excited more , and

52:41

so then we can actually quantify how

52:44

good someone feels based

52:46

upon how like

52:49

, how like captured

52:52

they are by their own vision , spell of the

52:54

world and how good that is . And I think

52:56

a lot of us need to spend more time in

52:58

that , which could be meditation . If we give

53:00

people like , what do I do for meditation

53:02

? It's like , actually , I actually meditate on the future

53:04

quite a bit . I

53:11

have this saying called like feel the future . It's , in my view , yeah , because

53:13

it's like it's one thing to think about it , but if you can start to feel what it's like

53:15

to live that and actually then start , you're just so

53:17

happy in the moment . so it's like I need

53:19

to wait until I achieve something to feel

53:22

good about it . You can can actually start to manifest

53:24

it , and then you start to develop this belief that

53:26

you can do it . And then it starts

53:28

to , I guess , snowball over time and

53:33

then I think , yeah , science is telling us that through quantum

53:35

physics actually that's what it's actually saying

53:37

.

53:38

I always dip into it and it always

53:40

has confirmation , but sometimes

53:42

it's just a bit slow . So waiting for it and it's just too slow , but sometimes

53:44

it's just a bit slow .

53:45

So waiting for it Exactly , and it's just too slow for what's going

53:47

on right now . It is , and

53:49

that's the faster way of transmitting information

53:51

is actually through feeling . Like you

53:53

know like I could feel how this , like how

53:56

interaction is going , before I could explain to you how I

53:58

felt about it .

53:59

Yeah .

53:59

And so funny that even

54:02

information is downloaded

54:04

through feeling way faster

54:06

than it's downloaded through thoughts .

54:08

Animals feel it straight away . They feel your fear

54:10

. I had horses so I did

54:12

all natural horsemanship with them . But

54:14

they , you feel cool . Yeah

54:17

, I'm in there , everybody's cool

54:19

. Yeah , yeah , yeah . But they'll feel

54:21

when you've got fear . And

54:23

they're not actually giving

54:25

you a hard time . They're just like , oh my God , she

54:27

must see a lion somewhere , like

54:30

, oh my God , I'm going to freak out too . And

54:32

so they get jittery . So they

54:34

act really strange when we

54:36

feel an emotion , because they're thinking

54:39

you must be seeing a predator . So

54:42

you know , they do it immediately . That's

54:44

why animal um ? They're doing

54:47

a lot of healing . Of course it's force healing . It's

54:49

amazing um yeah

54:51

. so I'd say like if

54:54

we were to bypass the last you

54:56

know 12 000 years , or at

54:58

least 2000 , um , 3000

55:00

, um , and just just implode

55:03

it . It's my version , it's like a wrinkle in

55:05

time , and then just jump back to feel

55:07

what it was like when we first were

55:10

those with this higher vibration , because

55:12

we've got it , it's already memory

55:14

, and then we use that , as you

55:16

said , to focus on the future

55:18

and see . That's why we've got new

55:21

at dreamingorg . It's

55:24

a collaboration of co-creators

55:26

. It's not a business , it's not anything , it's

55:28

just we'll do some stuff together

55:30

based on this vision of a new earth

55:32

. And the new earth really is the old

55:34

earth . It's what we had originally , without

55:38

the consciousness , I suppose , of when

55:40

we can go off track and inability

55:43

to deal with . We haven't even

55:45

talked about duality , but this

55:47

world is a world of separation . This

55:49

table is separate from me , so then you know that

55:51

causes us to feel separate . But

55:53

ultimately , yeah , to start visioning

55:56

more of what we would like

55:58

to see and feel , yeah

56:01

, that is really exciting . I've

56:03

done it a lot and I actually already see

56:05

it . I have dreams

56:07

. So part of seeing is to have dreams

56:10

and I take them . So I think my son

56:12

did call it lucid dreaming . Like I can continue

56:14

it on , I wake up at about 2

56:16

o'clock in the morning and I'll just keep going with it because

56:18

I'm in that really there's a theatre state

56:21

relaxed .

56:21

Theatre yeah .

56:22

Yeah , I can feel I

56:24

can just notice what's going on and then it can

56:26

get really exciting , um

56:29

, but yeah , I've seen like

56:31

I got a bit disheartened because I wanted to create

56:33

eco villages . I wanted to create a practical

56:35

solution for us to return to nature , and

56:38

so I was doing it . But I was still in my

56:40

head and so there was conflict with people . That's

56:42

the biggest thing that goes on in community . You know , you've got

56:44

a whole bunch of people who can't be

56:47

self-responsible with their triggers

56:49

and with their emotions . Instead of blaming

56:52

everybody for what's going on , then you're

56:54

never going to really achieve a community . But

56:57

nowadays I feel we can , because we've got a

56:59

lot more people conscious , able to

57:01

take responsibility for the triggers

57:03

that will come up . But

57:05

anyway , in the dream I saw

57:07

myself as a little girl and

57:10

I'm in this cool village

57:12

and I'm running around with my mates

57:14

and I just see my awesome

57:16

parents and I'm feeling so

57:18

much joy and love . I'm

57:20

like living the life . You

57:23

know what a cool place that I live

57:25

and cool parents . And

57:27

then I woke up and

57:29

I am . You know , I often say what does this

57:31

mean ? So I get the message from it and

57:33

it was like that's me in the future

57:36

. So it might not have looked

57:38

like the eco village we tried . That

57:40

failed , you know , probably seven years ago

57:42

. Um , we

57:45

might not look like we achieved something while my

57:47

sons were little . They had a great time

57:49

, but we didn't . You know , keep living there . But

57:52

I'm going to be born into

57:54

a future life of a village

57:56

that I have seen

57:58

in the work I do . I

58:02

mean , how cool is that ? Like yeah

58:04

it's the future and it seems a

58:06

bit selfish , but I'm like I don't even care

58:08

anymore whether it does or doesn't happen in this

58:10

lifetime , because I'm going to be able to come back

58:13

to that type of

58:15

community and village . Yeah

58:17

, because I might have just to help create

58:19

something , even if it's a small thing , and

58:21

and if we can start expanding out

58:24

our awareness of you know what impact we have . And it's not just thing , and if we can start expanding out our awareness of you know what

58:26

impact we have . It's not just about

58:28

this little life where we , you know , get a house

58:30

and a mortgage and pay it off and not

58:32

give kids debt . Do you know that kids

58:34

are getting the debt of their parents' debt ? Anyway

58:37

, if we're in a new world , Scratch

58:41

that . Yeah , we're going to create , you

58:43

know , such different futures , even

58:47

if we do a very small thing , because we'll be able to benefit from it ourselves

58:49

.

58:49

I think that's such a good point too . Like I think it's

58:51

one of the biggest things . Like one of my greatest

58:54

experiences and most horrific

58:56

experiences was , um , I

58:58

was in like this , like uh

59:01

trip where it was about , uh

59:03

, the fear of death , and it was just like

59:05

I kept believing the

59:07

fear of death Like I was . I remember it

59:09

so clearly , like I was on , I was

59:11

on an island , like an island it was actually it's just a

59:13

dream . This was a dream . It

59:17

was a dream . It was a dream . However

59:20

, it's so , so

59:22

real , like all these things are like . They're probably

59:24

more real because the information that you

59:26

get out of it is so

59:29

strong and I think it comes back . It comes

59:31

from such a , like a prehistoric time or ancient time

59:34

that it like because

59:36

the fear of death is your brain . So even just

59:38

the emotion of your death is such

59:40

a like there's , there's knowledge in that , because

59:42

, imagine , emotions carry information

59:44

in them and so , like within

59:47

that , fear is one of the most primal fears . And

59:49

so , if you like , yes , the

59:52

dream or the visions was about that

59:54

, and so I remember I was on Crossy Island

59:56

it

59:58

was animated in the Simpsons as well and

1:00:01

I was on a roller coaster , and

1:00:04

the roller coaster was called the Fear of Death , and

1:00:08

I remember sitting on this chair and

1:00:10

there was someone next to me but I couldn't . They

1:00:13

were kind of robotic and

1:00:15

not really alive and I felt like living a life . I wasn't

1:00:17

. So I'm on the rollercoaster and

1:00:19

you know , when you get to the very end

1:00:21

of the rollercoaster and it slows down

1:00:23

. And so it slowed down and

1:00:26

what would happen was like imagine

1:00:29

there's three carts in front of you and so you could see what

1:00:31

and what would happen was like imagine , there's three carts in front of you , and so

1:00:33

you could see what was going to happen next . You could see what was going to happen to you , right

1:00:35

? So what would happen was like this laser would

1:00:37

shoot through and the people would

1:00:39

kind of die . But they didn't die , they just got reset

1:00:41

and went on the roller coaster again .

1:00:43

Oh that sounds like life .

1:00:45

Yeah , and it was fucking scary Because

1:00:53

at that moment I felt like holy shit , I'm insane , like I'm just gonna do this again

1:00:56

and you're aware that you're gonna do it again . And so within three cuts it's

1:00:58

your turn . You're sitting there , the laser goes through

1:01:00

, you wake back up and you're on the roller coaster again

1:01:02

, and then you like and then I was I

1:01:04

was just like going through this and I thought oh my god

1:01:06

, my name is psychosis and

1:01:08

my you know .

1:01:09

I was saying it was really scary .

1:01:10

It's been the last few centuries , yeah

1:01:12

, psychosis . And I thought , well

1:01:15

, like , fear of death is like one of the biggest things , like

1:01:17

underlying this . And then you realize , yeah

1:01:20

, actually I'm not gonna die . After enough

1:01:22

times in the roller coaster I was like , wait a second , I'm just gonna

1:01:24

come back , and so there's kind of this like

1:01:26

within the fear of that is also like

1:01:29

, oh , I get to do it again , I get to live

1:01:31

, like live up and continue my dreams again and

1:01:33

like to continue this essence . Yeah

1:01:35

, it started to change . I was like , oh

1:01:37

, I get it . I get it like life

1:01:40

is life is eternal . I don't actually

1:01:42

die . And this entire time I've been

1:01:44

on this , on this roller coaster , which is the same ride

1:01:46

every time , and I keep thinking I'm gonna

1:01:48

die because I'm , but I'm not , and

1:01:50

it's just like it was such a bizarre

1:01:52

, paradoxical sort of moment . I

1:01:55

was in a camp . The camp was like fear of death

1:01:57

as well , everything . The entire thing was

1:01:59

about like five or six hours . I cannot visual

1:02:01

thought just about the fear of death

1:02:03

and I came out of that like thinking like , well , that is

1:02:05

the biggest thing . And so , like when

1:02:08

you have reincarnation as a belief , that changes

1:02:10

your um relationship

1:02:13

to life as well , because you don't

1:02:15

fear . You still fear death . I think everyone does

1:02:17

at some level . Like I'm not afraid

1:02:19

of it at all . I still love who

1:02:21

I am and what I'm doing but there's

1:02:24

also , like , there's this like

1:02:26

seed of potential that you're

1:02:28

like , oh , it's like to come back again do

1:02:31

this again , sort of thing continue my work or continue

1:02:33

my life and to continue exploring . And so

1:02:35

I think , with that mindset , it kind of

1:02:37

just it allows you to , enables

1:02:40

you to actually act in the world as opposed to being

1:02:42

afraid of the world and also feeling the anxiety

1:02:44

and pressure of like I only have this like

1:02:46

50 years , if that

1:02:49

, if not more , to make

1:02:51

something happen , and so then we actually

1:02:54

create really faulty things and

1:02:56

like even our buildings . Now everything's really

1:02:58

short , faulty . It's so short time . It's

1:03:01

not like the old days and it's the same thing with yourself

1:03:03

. It's like if you actually believe that you're eternal , then

1:03:06

you'd probably spend more time actually

1:03:08

laying

1:03:10

a better foundation for yourself and for your life and

1:03:12

for others and your community and your work and everything

1:03:14

like that as well . So just an interesting

1:03:16

shift there that I found .

1:03:18

Totally Like everything once you change your

1:03:20

belief . I've actually aimed to get rid

1:03:22

of every belief besides , anything that's

1:03:24

possible , because every belief

1:03:27

is a construct of the illusion . Ultimately

1:03:30

, you don't need belief when you know . So

1:03:33

, to trust the intuition

1:03:35

and to know , yeah

1:03:37

, this eternalness

1:03:39

of everything , you just want

1:03:41

to live really gloriously in the

1:03:43

moment , with the moment , with

1:03:45

your feelings , with what you're saying and doing

1:03:47

, and you want to have connection

1:03:50

. You want to have connection with , with the tree

1:03:52

, with the weather today , with

1:03:54

the person you know . Everything

1:03:57

becomes heightened . Yes

1:03:59

, really lovely . And and I

1:04:01

do in terms of hierarchy , or

1:04:03

moving and ascending , I

1:04:05

like the idea of these are when implosion

1:04:08

more than hierarchy or ascending

1:04:10

, because ascending makes it sound like , well

1:04:13

, one day I'm going to you

1:04:15

know , be an ascended master or something

1:04:17

. Ultimately , the more we go

1:04:19

within , the more we implode and

1:04:21

the more we we really feel

1:04:24

deeper and we are more present , and

1:04:26

that zero point is really strong . Um

1:04:29

, yeah , it's just , you're

1:04:31

going deeper rather than higher , and

1:04:34

so , for me , if I was to

1:04:36

give like a summary of what

1:04:38

this whole experience of life

1:04:40

is , is is we are

1:04:42

getting the chance to be

1:04:45

, be the creator , be , be spirit

1:04:48

, to go okay

1:04:50

. So how can I reach

1:04:52

heightened , more and more heightened levels

1:04:54

of great energy ? Really , because

1:04:56

that then benefits everything around

1:04:58

me , and so we'll

1:05:00

hear lots of that . You know , the one thing

1:05:03

that's could be negative , um

1:05:05

, is there will be those who are still self-serving

1:05:07

, self jumping on the bandwagon

1:05:10

of spirituality saying follow

1:05:12

me , follow me , follow me , which is what a lot

1:05:14

of self-serving self people do . Um

1:05:16

, here , here's some amazing

1:05:18

spiritual thing I'm a channeler , I've

1:05:21

got these great ideas I want to believe

1:05:23

. Then we still got to go back to what does it

1:05:25

feel like ? Um ? How does that feel

1:05:27

for me ? Am I feeling like I'm becoming

1:05:29

freer ? and freer or am I

1:05:31

starting to go into someone

1:05:33

else or some other construct ? So

1:05:36

the ultimate is to , yeah

1:05:38

, attain being an ascended master

1:05:40

because you're just . You're

1:05:42

a master of your own life . You're

1:05:45

having amazing experiences and the

1:05:47

weird thing about it is that , yeah , through history

1:05:50

you've read all the ancient scriptures and

1:05:52

things there's been a very small percentage

1:05:54

of people who have attained this

1:05:56

amazing sense , even

1:05:59

through the horriblest of times , and

1:06:01

they are positively impactful and

1:06:04

I want to be one of those people . So

1:06:06

I want to , if there's some really

1:06:08

horrible things going on , to be the one

1:06:10

that can go and help that child or

1:06:12

to give light to someone who's about

1:06:15

to do something a little bad . You know like

1:06:17

those are the heightened skill

1:06:19

sets that we can have to to

1:06:22

help , no matter what's going on around

1:06:24

us . So an optimistic

1:06:26

thing that I have is that we're not

1:06:29

like in the past , where there'll be a small percentage

1:06:31

of people who attain this degree

1:06:33

of joy and love . It's

1:06:36

like we're all potentially able

1:06:38

to move forward and there's a lot

1:06:40

of people who have been committed . They

1:06:43

say they call them starseeds . There's 144,000

1:06:46

people on the planet super committed

1:06:48

. There's been some statistics from

1:06:50

channeling of over

1:06:52

a million Lemurians or moon

1:06:55

beings who are here now

1:06:57

just helping . I

1:06:59

call it like good news . There's a lot of good news

1:07:02

saying we're not just going to go

1:07:04

by ourselves . I remember from a young age I was

1:07:06

like I don't want to just enlighten

1:07:08

myself and leave

1:07:10

people . I went to church when I was

1:07:12

a little girl and they said anyone

1:07:15

who doesn't believe in Christ will

1:07:18

go to hell , and my mum wasn't

1:07:20

a Christian . I'd be invited

1:07:22

to church by a friend . I think I was about eight

1:07:24

and I said , well , I'd rather go to hell with

1:07:26

my mum than hang out here with you . And I

1:07:28

just went . I mean , that

1:07:30

was a staunchness of myself

1:07:33

from a young age . So what that means is

1:07:35

I don't want to go and become enlightened

1:07:37

and watch lots of people die

1:07:39

and suffer . I want to use

1:07:41

my superpowers with

1:07:43

this love and light so that

1:07:45

it just naturally has a positive impact

1:07:48

on people around me who will step

1:07:50

into their love and light and then , more

1:07:52

and more , it will be like a rippling effect and nothing

1:07:54

will stop it . The only thing that's keeping

1:07:57

the old world upright is the

1:08:00

ignorance , the illusion and the fear

1:08:02

and the guilt and shame and

1:08:04

the lack of listening to one's intuition . So

1:08:07

it's pretty exciting .

1:08:08

It is an exciting time . That's why I think it is

1:08:10

the most exciting time and

1:08:13

I wish people could just feel how I'm living

1:08:15

right now .

1:08:16

You know , life is so friggin

1:08:18

awesome . I have my

1:08:20

moments . I have a lot of stuff

1:08:22

going on , but that's for a good reason . But

1:08:25

it's possible to live in parallel

1:08:28

with a really chaotic

1:08:30

world while you're having this beautiful

1:08:33

magical time .

1:08:34

I understand you can still , and that's the

1:08:36

point . I guess that's why I named

1:08:38

it human spirit . It wasn't originally called human spirit , it was called

1:08:40

personal evolution because I thought , like

1:08:42

everything evolves and it's about , like you know , human

1:08:45

potential evolving towards that and you

1:08:47

just noticed that right and I was like human , human

1:08:49

spirit , because it's the reverse . It's

1:08:52

actually the one thing that it evolves

1:08:54

, it doesn't , it's not changing . It's like

1:08:56

it's , it's in everyone . It's that like , even

1:08:58

though the world around you is fast-paced , everything is changing

1:09:01

and everything feels like it's crazy . It's like

1:09:03

there is that zero point within

1:09:05

you that you can like

1:09:07

tap into . And it doesn't mean that you don't

1:09:09

feel sad you don't feel great , it's like

1:09:11

, it's like you just know that everything's

1:09:14

gonna be okay and everything's beautiful

1:09:16

, even though it's sad

1:09:18

, like even sadness . I think it has that

1:09:20

kind of like all aspect to it . I think that's

1:09:22

really what the

1:09:24

the point of this is , and the point of like a

1:09:26

lot of these practices are to help people

1:09:29

find that within themselves . But I think that's

1:09:31

what we're missing . It's that knowing

1:09:33

and intuition , like you said . And

1:09:35

then I think it was Carl , that's the last

1:09:37

question . It was one of the last interviews you had

1:09:39

. I was like oh , do you believe in God ? And he said

1:09:41

he just laughed and said no , I know God . And

1:09:44

then it went viral . It was crazy . I didn't

1:09:46

even know know is God , sort of

1:09:49

thing . It is that it's a different feeling to when you

1:09:51

believe something or know something

1:09:53

, and saying you know something is kind

1:09:55

of weird . You say that a lot to people .

1:09:57

It's like I know that so much limitation

1:10:00

self-worth People

1:10:02

have . The biggest belief is lack

1:10:04

of self-worth . Yeah , it's

1:10:07

a very nice key , it keeps you know what is it short

1:10:09

poppy syndrome ? And it makes people just jeopardise

1:10:12

themselves just when they're succeeding because they don't

1:10:14

think they're worthy of it . I mean , that

1:10:16

is just an honest plan , that was the worst

1:10:18

. So I've been playing lately

1:10:20

six months I've been playing with saying

1:10:23

out loud I

1:10:25

am creator , and when

1:10:27

I first said it it was like , oh , I'm such an arrogant

1:10:29

person . But funnily

1:10:32

enough , it makes you humbler because you start

1:10:34

going , whoa , okay , so

1:10:36

if I created all of this

1:10:38

, you know you want

1:10:41

to have more reverence and love for it , like when

1:10:43

you give birth to a child . As

1:10:45

a mother , I'm a creator

1:10:47

of my children , but I don't

1:10:50

control them and I don't make

1:10:52

them do things . You know , I actually revere

1:10:55

them and I love them . That's

1:10:57

what a creator is , and so if we

1:10:59

could have that as our essence

1:11:01

, we will respect and

1:11:03

love the earth and the universe and animals

1:11:06

we would love

1:11:08

. We wouldn't want to control , we

1:11:10

wouldn't . you know , like you actually

1:11:12

, if you went into that and really felt it

1:11:14

you wouldn't want to do all the things that

1:11:16

we're hearing , and so

1:11:19

that narrative that the creator

1:11:21

or God puts fear

1:11:23

in everybody and is nasty and horrible , and

1:11:25

you know all of that . I mean

1:11:27

there's absolute free will to go and become

1:11:30

Lucifer or to become an angel . There's absolute free will to go and become

1:11:32

lucifer or to become an angel . You know um free

1:11:34

will , but ultimately it's not fun

1:11:36

being lucifer . Lots of suffering

1:11:38

going on , like why would you do it ? Like it's

1:11:41

just . You know we

1:11:43

can just shift and start

1:11:45

taking more of a sense of how

1:11:47

amazing every one of us is

1:11:49

, and that's when we'll be more respectful

1:11:52

of others , because instead of going oh you stupid idiot , we'll

1:11:54

be going whoa , you're like a

1:11:56

creator . I better be a bit , you know

1:11:58

, reverent and respectful of you yeah

1:12:00

.

1:12:01

No , I don't agree with that . I think we'll

1:12:03

probably wrap things up . Yeah

1:12:05

, yeah , I'll probably continue

1:12:07

, and there are a couple of things I didn't ask you before we

1:12:09

do wrap things up . Um cause you mentioned

1:12:11

human potential a few times Um and

1:12:14

I find that very interesting myself , and so

1:12:16

is there , like , maybe , three tips that

1:12:19

you might want to share with the audience and

1:12:21

people listening about human potential

1:12:23

, like how they could , um , you

1:12:26

know , improve theirs or , um

1:12:28

, what you maybe found most interesting about your potential

1:12:30

or what you've realised . And yeah

1:12:33

, some final words .

1:12:34

Oh , that's pretty hard to do .

1:12:36

It's tough , but I thought you could do it .

1:12:39

Well , for me I must

1:12:41

be honest that I still work in business

1:12:44

and I see and observe and

1:12:46

I feel like a lot of stuff is just

1:12:48

really not effective . You

1:12:51

know why ? Because people

1:12:53

are in their head and they are in their

1:12:55

head and they just create drama and they create

1:12:58

confusion , they create complexity

1:13:00

and I just sit back and observe , because

1:13:02

I'm not here to tell them to change

1:13:05

, but I'm trying to encourage change

1:13:07

, but it's like that world

1:13:10

isn't fully ready to get out of their head . So if

1:13:12

people could get out of their head into their heart

1:13:14

, doing some meditations around that , and

1:13:16

really start coming from that , they would

1:13:19

be so powerful like they

1:13:21

would have a different way that they approach people

1:13:23

. They would set themselves up prior

1:13:25

to having a meeting or an engagement with

1:13:27

you know the next thing they're going to do in their job or

1:13:29

life . They would , you know , be

1:13:31

have an amazing impact with

1:13:33

their children . Anyway

1:13:36

, all I'm saying is get out of the head into the

1:13:38

heart . Um , that's

1:13:40

probably the biggest one . Um

1:13:42

, I mean , nature

1:13:44

will help us know our true nature

1:13:47

. So the truest human

1:13:49

potential isn't the robotic

1:13:52

one that we've seen , it's . It's as

1:13:54

natural as possible . Um , feeling

1:13:57

comfortable to do that , that and go there

1:13:59

. Um , and

1:14:01

then ultimately , yeah , and heightening the

1:14:03

intuition , starting to listen to it more

1:14:05

, um , noticing what feels really good

1:14:07

. Going back to feelings if you feel fear

1:14:09

, then you're stuck down in the lower emotions

1:14:12

. But what feels really exciting

1:14:14

? If you use that as a gauge

1:14:16

, yeah , you make some really good decisions

1:14:18

on the type of relationship

1:14:21

you have , the type of job you go for and

1:14:24

remember there's always interim

1:14:26

, so potential can come from

1:14:28

going okay , well , I'll do this

1:14:30

for now , but I know , you know my

1:14:33

potential is somewhere and I'm just going to

1:14:35

keep going for it . I think that was

1:14:37

four .

1:14:38

Yeah , you actually won . I

1:14:41

think that's a good way to end

1:14:43

things too . Like I have this , this is one of my

1:14:45

favourite . I always watch kids' animation

1:14:47

shows because I think there's a lot of like messaging

1:14:50

in them , and one of the best messages I

1:14:52

got from the show was it

1:14:55

was very science based , but it wasn't really

1:14:57

. At the same time it was , there was

1:14:59

the . Throughout the theme of the show , there was

1:15:01

something called equivalent exchange , which

1:15:04

is a scientific term . Like you know , if I give you

1:15:06

something , then it returns it back , or

1:15:08

if I push something , it pushes

1:15:10

back . It's an equivalent exchange

1:15:12

of energy . And then it

1:15:15

ends the show with equivalent

1:15:17

exchange plus one as the equation

1:15:19

to solve the world's problems

1:15:21

. And so if I did something for you , you

1:15:24

do something for me , but plus one extra . And then

1:15:26

I do something else , plus one extra , and it's

1:15:28

just this beautiful effect of love

1:15:30

and gratitude to someone and

1:15:33

having that embedded in culture as opposed

1:15:35

to just inequality .

1:15:37

Yeah , that's very beautiful .

1:15:39

Yeah , I like that .

1:15:40

So many gestures .

1:15:41

You gave me one

1:15:43

extra thing to ask for , so that's how that

1:15:45

came up .

1:15:47

Thank you .

1:15:48

Well , thanks , Justin , Thanks for jumping on and thanks everyone for

1:15:50

listening , and I'll see you in the next episode . Sounds

1:15:53

good . Thanks , beautiful

1:15:55

. Wow , that

1:15:58

was great .