Lauren and JJ welcome special guest therapist Laurie Fonken to discuss the edge states and how they relate to veterinary medicine, including pathologic altruism, burnout, compassion fatigue, and more! Dr. Fonken, PhD, is a licensed professional counselor and the Director of DVM Counseling and Wellness Programs at Colorodo State University College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences. Dr. Fonken also provides counselling and consuling services for veterinarians and veterinary staff through her business, Whole Vets, LLC. Books mentioned in this episode: 1. Standing at the Edge: Joan Halifax, 20182. Banishing Burnout: Michael Leiter and Christina Maslach, 2005Special Guest: Laurie Fonken.