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for a while. Yeah, Serve.

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Kaiser the cars are you looking for service

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uncover the only times or talk about because

1:19

we yeah when we throw out there and

1:22

we say who's you like on the on

1:24

the part your name is been mentioned a

1:26

lot. Firstly go start with an apology I

1:28

we are in a pop. There's no beer

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on the table and from why understand sits

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and pay. Had a bit of of of

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Rothys last night. Pizza sounds a little bit

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croaky, actually a thoughtless look. Like

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a birthday celebration. A sound

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like this before the ah.

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this well the puck cost of a today

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will learn and the master ago the legend

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yeah the absolute budget so should we take

1:54

it right back to begin and then do

1:56

member first meeting p a crouch and what

1:58

were your impressions of Well,

2:02

obviously we had quite a few England

2:04

internationals. They knew him and of

2:06

him and obviously they all said

2:08

that what a great lad

2:11

he is. And yeah, I

2:13

can't remember when we met for the first time, but he obviously

2:16

signed in 2005. 2005,

2:19

yeah, 2005. 2005, yeah,

2:21

which probably wasn't the best time

2:23

to sign. And because

2:26

expectations were high and

2:28

then he signed and obviously everybody knew

2:30

after a few days you get

2:33

to know somebody in training and you see

2:35

them in the canteen that it

2:37

was a good laugh, it was a good lad. He had

2:39

a bit of a rough start to his career.

2:41

I don't think he scored in the first 10 or 15 games

2:43

and one day after about 10 or 12

2:45

games I went in the booth and there was a

2:47

guy coming up to me and I said, he said,

2:49

what about the crouch? He said, he's in other centre

2:51

forward and I said, yeah, I thought he was. But

2:56

he got his first one and I think he got two

2:58

or three did he in there? I got a two against

3:00

Wigan, yeah, well, thank you. It was out of the lob

3:02

from? One of the worst goals of all time. From 30

3:04

yards or something. Yeah, yeah. That was the first one. That

3:06

was the first one, yeah. They all count, Pete, though, don't

3:08

they? They all count, yeah. They took a deflection when 30

3:11

feet in the air and then the keeper ponded

3:14

it in and I claimed it. But

3:16

when that drought was happening, because we've

3:18

heard it from Pete's side, do you

3:20

remember what the discussions were amongst you

3:22

boys? Yeah, I know you support

3:24

him. Obviously, you know, sometimes you

3:26

take the mickey out of him but you've got

3:29

to support somebody because it could happen to anybody.

3:31

And obviously this is, we've never been

3:33

centre forwards. I don't know what it's like not to score

3:36

for seven, eight, nine games because it never

3:38

bothered. But you have to support

3:40

them and after you score the first one, then you went

3:42

on a bit of a roll because you scored, I think,

3:44

two in the next 15. No. Everybody's

3:50

supporting him but I think that when

3:52

it's important that you have, well, you

3:54

don't have to get on and everybody's

3:56

different but if The

3:58

lads see that he's... the good kid and

4:01

co character people will suppose you because with

4:03

somebody else. Somebody.

4:05

Else may not I've got a supposed a

4:07

crowd she got because some you know he

4:09

was was well liked and was always you

4:11

one of them one of the guys and

4:14

the best was an aggressive see you at

4:16

you and in the kaiser a reputation proceed

4:18

him xiao mei listen did all been me

4:20

that he the also a lie cause i

4:22

just. I've never met anyone who's

4:24

like. A more scouse

4:27

than a set. Us

4:29

up as desired of the have been

4:31

there for years always venue avenue came

4:34

up. Sign. In Ninety Nine. So

4:36

when you sign it was here for. Five.

4:39

Years five years was a year.

4:41

Alex is really the reason you

4:43

soviet the I see we lived

4:45

through the list above the in

4:47

such as lich also was is

4:49

so lists live of so he

4:51

does come down. there is other

4:53

than a go op and is

4:55

lucky wasn't the other way around.

4:57

Five hundred hundred Sixty Eight exhausted

4:59

or he got a solid software.

5:01

We always the kind of away

5:03

from from home and. It. Didn't

5:05

really know anyone up there and ah,

5:08

In. A which is gone We go on. Great. And

5:12

don't do it. Every one of it's

5:14

is the Zabeel a decent bunch of

5:16

or sir I think that's always. There

5:18

was always a special thing that we

5:20

had a a good dressing room and

5:22

you know really great Together is a

5:25

lot of nationalities but some we've always

5:27

one and of as he crouches is

5:29

an imperfect such as you took sued

5:31

like other England and. Big.

5:33

England so well like of see what's

5:35

new cars and first as you find

5:37

out there yeah cause was crisis am.

5:41

A bit. Shows you know of would have liked

5:43

his stay. I belong others you sign for

5:45

a long time but when Liverpool came calling

5:47

it was up. it was how to to

5:49

turn it down and it's always. It's never

5:51

a nice thing to to leave cloves and

5:53

tell the club in the fan said you.

5:55

You're. awful you wanna be off after one season

5:57

and but i liked it because the people of the

6:00

football up there, great sense

6:02

of humor and it

6:04

was brilliant. Went to Wembley, unfortunately, competing the

6:06

Evacofil against Man United. But no,

6:08

I really enjoyed it. But when I had

6:10

the chance to go to Liverpool, I thought

6:13

I felt it was an opportunity I had

6:15

to take. Yeah. Did

6:17

you find when you were up there in Newcastle, did

6:19

you find, it's going to be a weird question this,

6:21

but we'll be able to explain. Did you find out

6:24

of all the cities in the UK, you would describe

6:26

it as the city of love? Newcastle.

6:29

Yeah. Did you

6:31

find love? You say you're going to explain. Did you

6:33

find love in Newcastle by any chance? So yeah,

6:36

but I felt it everywhere. It

6:39

was always, it was always, they have a love

6:42

for football, especially in the north. And

6:44

it was a, it's a great city and, and

6:47

there's only one club. There's no other sports

6:49

really being played, even though they probably have

6:51

basketball teams or hockey teams, whatever, but

6:53

everybody loves their, their football there

6:55

and they're so passionate and it would be great

6:58

to see them winning. Something

7:00

is on stage. Yeah. But you, you kind

7:02

of like took to Liverpool and like the

7:05

city kind of more than any other

7:07

foreign player that I've known, I think.

7:09

And like, what, what made it like

7:11

special for you? And you know,

7:13

why did you, did you enjoy it? And did you

7:15

feel like an honorary scouser? Yeah, but

7:18

obviously that comes with time because when you first go

7:20

there, you know, people won't, won't

7:23

appreciate you or love you if you

7:25

haven't got a successful time. Obviously when

7:27

it happens on the pitches is key.

7:29

And, and also looking back

7:31

as a player, because you probably don't see too

7:33

many players when they haven't really got a successful

7:35

spell at a club, which is quite big as

7:37

Liverpool, if they hadn't won anything,

7:39

they're looking back thinking, you know, this was a great

7:42

time because, you know, the main

7:44

thing is on the pitch. What happens off the pitch

7:46

obviously is important as well, but you can only enjoy

7:48

it when you're successful. And when

7:50

I came to Liverpool, I kind of felt

7:52

at home from, from,

7:54

from the first moment, Charlotte Ulye signed

7:57

me in, in 99 and. you

8:00

know, the lads were great. They

8:02

had some young players, young English talent,

8:05

Jared, Carriga, Mike Lowe, and Danny Murphy.

8:07

And obviously some foreigners came in and

8:10

it was just, we just channelled pretty

8:12

quickly. And the thing that

8:14

really made me appreciate the city

8:16

and the football club was probably the first Hillsborough

8:20

anniversary. I was there, which was in 2000,

8:23

when there were 20,000 people. And obviously

8:25

then the names are being read out from

8:28

the people who lost their lives

8:30

there. And I never forget

8:32

that I went in the car afterwards and I thought

8:34

to myself, I've got to do everything in my power

8:36

to not let these people down. And

8:38

this is where I really understood the club, what

8:40

it means to the people, because obviously I

8:43

was in Germany at the time, I heard what happened, but

8:45

obviously when you, then actually find out

8:48

who the people were, the parents

8:50

that were speaking, it

8:54

did something to me where I thought, I've got to do everything

8:56

in my power to, try

8:59

to make these people happy. The

9:01

fact that we won a few things in the years

9:04

after that, obviously a lot of

9:06

things had to come together. We've been a bit fortunate in

9:08

one or two games, not this part of it.

9:11

How close do you think, or

9:13

how far away was you from, or

9:16

if you went to Liverpool to win the league and

9:18

win things, obviously you won competitions, but you never really

9:20

got over the line with the league. Did you ever

9:22

feel close to win, if you was

9:24

going to be winning the league or challenging? I think there

9:26

was only one season where we really still

9:29

in come April. Yes,

9:33

of course, I came to Liverpool or went to

9:35

Liverpool to win things, but

9:38

the club I think has, hadn't won anything for about 10

9:40

years, I think 89 or 90 was

9:42

the last time they won anything. And

9:46

if you had told me in the seven years I was

9:48

there, we won what we did win in the end, I

9:51

would have dropped your hand off. And

9:53

as I said, in cup competitions,

9:56

we could compete, but if

9:58

you want to win the FA Cup, or even the

10:00

Champions League, you don't have to be the best team in the

10:02

competition. If you want to win the league, you've got to be

10:04

the best team. And bottom line is, we've never been the best

10:07

team. I think 2002 was the only

10:09

time we were still in contention with

10:11

two or three games to go. I think in the end we were

10:13

four or five points short of Arsenal. But

10:16

did we have a realistic chance when

10:18

I was there? Probably not. Obviously

10:20

when I left, then Torres

10:23

came and Sowaris Crouch

10:25

was still there. Obviously

10:28

Alonso was signed in Mascarano. They brought

10:30

players in we didn't really have before.

10:32

We had a good team. And

10:36

I think when I left in 2006, I

10:39

think 7 or 8, I think you were really

10:41

close. And then obviously with Stevie Slipp, which

10:43

I probably shouldn't mention in 10, when was

10:46

it? 12,

10:48

13. So they

10:50

were a lot closer than we were. But

10:52

in a cup competition, we were forced. And

10:55

in a one-off game, we always knew we could beat anywhere. What

10:58

was your take obviously on Istanbul? You

11:00

must have talked about it a million

11:02

times. But humorous. Before

11:06

the game, half-time, talk us

11:08

through that day. Did you want to... This might

11:10

be an odd question as well. Did

11:12

you want to come on at that point? Because you're three-nil

11:14

down at half-time. What were you thinking when you get the

11:16

call? What am I going to

11:18

do now? Yeah. Because obviously I

11:20

saw that I was injured before, but I played the

11:22

last two or three games. And

11:25

I think Rafa thought... Rafa never played Stevie in

11:27

the middle of the park in the Chinese league

11:29

games. Because I always felt that Stevie is at

11:31

his best when he hasn't

11:33

got any defensive responsibility. Because he wasn't

11:35

the most disciplined. But

11:38

in a way it helped us because he picked up positions.

11:40

And as you know, when he started running, he was unstoppable.

11:44

And for some reason, I think he thought, Rafa

11:46

thought, which he never did, that

11:48

they are so good that he's got to do

11:50

something which they don't expect.

11:53

So he played Stevie in the middle of a shabby. Obviously,

11:56

Harry gets a lot of stick. Harry Kiel was

11:58

a tremendous player. Just had a few injuries. when

12:00

he came to Liverpool. And

12:03

obviously, you know, I'm not playing, I watch

12:05

a game first minute, first one,

12:07

and I think to myself, you know, at least we've got another

12:09

89 minutes to

12:11

score one, 25 minutes, second one goes in,

12:13

and I'm thinking, well, this might not have

12:16

happened if I played. And

12:19

the third one goes in, and I'm thinking, thank fuck, I'm not

12:21

playing. So I had

12:23

the whole, I had a rollercoaster

12:25

of emotions, and

12:28

obviously then they score. We

12:31

should have had, before they scored a second one, we should have had

12:33

a penalty, which we didn't get. They ran three

12:35

goals better, but we were three no down. And

12:37

to come back to your question, you go in the

12:39

dressing room, and I thought, like everybody else, you know,

12:42

that's it, curtains. Yeah,

12:45

and then Rafa comes in, and he, you know, you know

12:47

what he was like, he was a bit pragmatic. He was,

12:49

he wouldn't go on, what happened, you know, he said it's

12:51

done. He said we make a change, and

12:53

obviously, Jimmy was gonna come off. He

12:57

said, D.D., you come on, this is how we play three in

12:59

the back, move Steve a bit further forward, because he was our

13:01

biggest goal threat. And

13:03

I went outside to warm up, and obviously

13:05

then in the dressing room, Steve Finning complained

13:08

of a sore groin, and then he changed,

13:10

he got Jimmy back out of shower, and

13:12

Finning, Steve, Finning came off. And

13:14

while I was warming up, every

13:16

minute, obviously the fans were still singing, maybe

13:19

more out of desperation than I believe,

13:22

and every minute I was

13:24

warming up, I thought to myself, you know what, if

13:27

B is score three in the first half, why shouldn't B score

13:29

three in the second half? And then I thought, again,

13:31

coming back to your question, did you wanna come on?

13:34

Probably not at the end of halftime.

13:37

But then I thought, like, you know, we have three

13:39

nil down, if we get beat five or six, this

13:41

could often to do with me. I lost the game

13:43

in the first half, and it's new, because they say

13:45

it's a shot to nothing. A shot, so

13:47

I'd give it a go. And

13:50

I felt, because we played a lot of finals with

13:52

the team, and I knew if we

13:54

get one goal, I'm pretty sure we get a

13:56

second one. And every time all the finals we've

13:58

won, we probably should have beat Arsenal. a few

14:00

years before a card if my gloves were too

14:02

cold. They bullied us. We never got a

14:04

kick for the whole game. We ended up winning the game. And

14:07

I thought if we get them into a dog

14:09

fight, into a tight game, there

14:11

may still be a chance. And if you make it

14:13

three-one, three-two, even the best teams make mistakes. And obviously

14:16

they did. When

14:18

you came on with that attitude then, and you've

14:20

had a bit of time to think about and

14:22

you're warming up, and you talk about your mindset

14:24

change there, which is fascinating, did

14:27

you find that when you joined that team that

14:29

they were all sort of matching the same spirit

14:31

as you? Or did you feel that you also

14:33

had a role to kind of lift everyone around

14:35

you as well? I'm not sure. People

14:38

say that I changed the game. I

14:42

wouldn't say any difference. That's a

14:44

nice thing to have. But

14:48

one player, it's a team game. I

14:50

couldn't do anything. And I think

14:52

the belief or the thought process after

14:55

halftime, I think, because

14:57

you meet people and people

15:00

say, oh, what about Istanbul? And you tell them, and

15:02

I say, did anyone believe we can

15:04

come back? And there's always a smart one. I

15:06

said, yeah, I knew it's not over. Well, it

15:08

was over. And if there was one person

15:10

who believed we can turn it around, he was the manager. And

15:13

that's the belief

15:16

he gave us, because he spoke, if you

15:18

heard him speak at halftime, you didn't know

15:20

whether we were three-naught down or three-naught up.

15:23

That's how he always was. And it was

15:25

dead calm. And I think he gave everybody confidence and

15:30

all the players. And people always talk

15:32

about, I didn't

15:34

change anything. The game changed. And I

15:36

did my part as much as the other team to change

15:38

the game. But people

15:41

always, they didn't laugh about

15:43

him, but they always said, oh, Jimmy Troy, how can

15:45

he play for Liverpool? Now, Jimmy, he

15:47

was in the shower. And as you know, you're

15:50

three-naught down, the manager

15:52

says you're coming off, and he probably could have taken

15:54

anybody off. So if you go in the

15:56

shower, three-nilled down, if it wasn't me,

15:58

I probably would have said thankful for that. You

16:00

know, I'm off because the games finished anything

16:03

now the the guys in the shower Two

16:06

minutes later somebody comes here that Jimmy you've got to

16:08

carry on now Once

16:10

you finish mentally with a game to get

16:14

back into that Zone into

16:16

their focus again It's near enough impossible and

16:18

Jimmy played is as well as anyone in the second

16:21

half and I always say My

16:23

hero the reason we won the chairman's league is

16:25

not me. He's not Stephen Gerrard. It's Jimmy Charlie

16:27

Wow, because he did he had a cold-length clearance

16:30

You know, he had a few last-digit tackles you

16:32

know one of the best tacklers one of the

16:34

quickest players and Jimmy played as well as anyone

16:37

and this is This is

16:39

what what sets us apart from other From

16:42

other teams because whoever played whatever happened We

16:44

always knew we can rely on each other

16:47

and we are there for each other And that's what in the

16:49

end with a bit of luck Obviously we we had the brakes

16:51

and we had a bit of luck in the second half, especially

16:53

when Jersey Saved a fall

16:55

in the last minute of action time, but he needed

16:58

but I think we we worked hard for it And

17:00

he was in the shower at halftime was a it

17:02

was he was gonna come off and then Stephen Finn

17:05

complain of a saw groin and

17:07

we already made a change in the first half And this

17:09

is Rafa again Because Harry Kuehl had to

17:11

come off after half an hour Smitzer came on Now

17:14

if Jimmy comes on or I come on for Jimmy

17:16

and then Finn comes off after 60 minutes in

17:19

his head He was thinking we've got to play 60

17:21

minutes if we get into extra time without a substitution

17:24

because in them days we only three subs So

17:27

and when people say oh you were for

17:29

she were lucky every we had a bit of

17:31

luck But to make the

17:34

call in halftime Rafa did because at halftime

17:36

three No doubt he was thinking about extra

17:38

time and I don't think too many managers would

17:40

have done that Just

17:45

on that just you

17:47

celebrate Celebrated

17:50

by smoking in the shower afterwards, right?

17:57

The only way You

18:03

come in and obviously it was all a bit

18:06

surreal because we left the restroom two hours before,

18:09

dead and buried, and we come back two

18:11

hours later and the cup

18:13

is in the middle of the restroom. So

18:16

there was no wild celebration. People just sat

18:18

in disbelief thinking what has just happened. And

18:21

then I thought now I'll have a laboratory

18:26

smoke and I looked in my toilet

18:28

bag and I left my fax in

18:30

the hotel. And a minute later

18:33

the chairman came in buried Mose and

18:35

I had the old smoke with him before and

18:38

he came in and he had tears in his eyes.

18:43

You know he was the biggest fan. He was one of

18:45

the last ones. He always traveled with us in his tracksuit.

18:47

He just loved being with the boys.

18:49

And he was one of us. And to

18:51

win it for him and with him was

18:53

just extra special. So he walked

18:55

in and before he could even

18:58

say anything I grabbed him and I

19:00

said, chairman, I need you in the shower for a

19:03

second. So

19:07

he said, well Sophie, I said give

19:09

us a fact. He said, I can't.

19:12

I said, come on, give us a fact. He

19:14

said, what happened? Did the manager come with him? I

19:16

said, just sack him. You're the chairman. You

19:19

took the shots. So reluctantly he went in

19:21

and he sparked up as

19:23

well. And then we

19:25

just... I bet you can. Now we just

19:28

stood there and we never said a word

19:30

to each other. But I shared

19:32

that moment and unfortunately passed away a couple of

19:34

years ago. And to

19:37

share that moment was just obviously we had

19:39

a bit of a celebration afterwards. But there

19:41

was just the icing on

19:43

the cake of the

19:45

best evening in football terms. And

19:48

to share that moment with him. And I know how much

19:50

it meant to him because he got a

19:52

lot of sick afterwards when he sold the club to the Americans.

19:55

But I think this is a moment he

19:57

never forgot and I certainly didn't. So

20:00

obviously I was going to get into a

20:02

little celebration of that night, but what about

20:04

when you've worked so hard to get back

20:06

in the game and you've got to take

20:08

a pen? What's

20:10

going for you here, though? Well

20:14

obviously we were fortunate because Jersey made a safe in

20:16

the 120th minute, which it was

20:20

probably easier to score than not to

20:22

score from Shevchenko. And I just

20:24

thought when we got to

20:26

penalties, I just thought to myself, if you don't beat

20:28

them now, we never beat them. And

20:30

you don't really take

20:33

notice of anything which is going on around you.

20:35

Rafa came and he asked me whether I want

20:38

to take a penalty or not. And

20:40

a couple of minutes later he came back and he said he'd take the

20:42

first one. And I didn't even

20:44

know who took the other five

20:46

or four because I didn't need to

20:48

know. And I think you

20:50

just have to commit. You have to make

20:52

your mind up. In golf they say if

20:54

you leave a posture they can't go in.

20:56

I think you have to commit. And

20:59

if you miss, miss it for the right reasons. And the

21:02

task was made a bit easier because Serginho missed

21:04

the first one. But at the

21:06

same time it was a chance to get us ahead on

21:08

the night for the first time. And yeah,

21:12

commit unfortunately. I probably couldn't have

21:15

hit it any better because it was probably

21:17

exactly the place I wanted to

21:19

hit it. And I did remember because Rafa,

21:22

he was a penalty pervert, wasn't

21:24

he? He knew everything about penalties.

21:26

No passion I wanted to say.

21:29

And I remember him saying that

21:38

there's a stat that I think there's a 90 or

21:41

91% better chance if you hit

21:44

it above hip height. So it doesn't

21:46

really matter where you hit it. Where

21:48

they hit the corner or where they hit it in the middle. If

21:51

you hit it at a certain height it's got a far

21:53

better chance because all the penalties are safe down. The

21:56

goalies don't jump up, they all go

21:58

down. I did remember that

22:01

and I just, I

22:03

was hoping or trying to hit it above hip

22:06

height, obviously I don't want to hit it too

22:08

high and as I said I couldn't

22:10

have hit it any better and obviously a bit relieved

22:12

when it did go in. We

22:15

shouldn't forget, I don't know whether we talk about the

22:17

others, if you actually look back on the penalties, Jersey

22:20

Dudick was probably three yards off his line for

22:22

the ones he's saying. It was bad.

22:24

Yeah, exactly. It was bad. I

22:27

don't know how they never complained obviously. In

22:30

this day and age it wouldn't happen. The

22:33

ref was a Spanish guy. I'll

22:35

never forget because the lads were not too happy in the first

22:37

half. He made up for it.

22:39

You weren't in an order. You

22:42

weren't, so before the penalties you didn't

22:44

know who. No I didn't. I knew I'd

22:46

take the first one but I didn't know who's taking the other

22:48

four because I didn't need to know

22:50

because the thing is. But did the manager do it

22:52

on confidence then? No, no, no. Obviously

22:55

the lads knew when they take him but

22:58

I didn't know because when he said it I

23:00

was probably somewhere else with my

23:02

thoughts. The good thing is because

23:04

sometimes when you go to penalties sometimes

23:07

managers have to look for people which is not

23:09

good. But Luis

23:12

Garcia wanted to take one which the manager didn't

23:14

want him to. I'm sure that

23:16

Chaviolans who missed one would have taken another

23:18

one. So he

23:20

probably had about seven and the other thing is

23:22

when people say, oh you've got to prepare for

23:24

a game, sometimes you've got to think

23:26

out of the box because the three penalties we

23:29

scored were scored by the three players

23:31

coming on. So you

23:33

may have your penalty takers in mind but

23:35

then you have to make a substitution and then you

23:37

have to see us on the pitch at the end

23:40

of the game and in them

23:42

days there were only three substitutions and

23:44

our three penalties which probably never happened

23:47

before were scored by the three players

23:49

coming on. Wow, wow. Yeah, that's

23:51

good isn't it? So

23:53

after the game what's the celebrations

23:56

like? Obviously you have a Ziggy with

23:58

the German. Where does it

24:00

come off to that? Well, we went

24:02

back to the hotel with a time

24:04

difference because Turkey, I think it's two

24:06

hours ahead of the UK, so the

24:09

game finished after midnight. So

24:11

by the time we got to the hotel, it must have been

24:13

two, three o'clock. Friends

24:16

and family there. As I said, it

24:18

was still people still in disbelief because it

24:20

probably took a few hours or a few days or

24:22

a few weeks to sink in. No

24:27

wild celebrations really. Campino

24:29

my mate or our mate was there. Campino?

24:33

Yeah. Well, what's

24:36

the name of the right? The

24:38

Tootenhosen? Tootenhosen, yeah. Tootenhosen. Tootenhosen, yeah.

24:40

Tootenhosen, yeah. He

24:43

was there with some of his band members and he

24:45

went back to Liverpool the next day and then I

24:47

think he had to change the flight four or five

24:49

times because he played a gig in Austria the day

24:51

after. So that's dedication for you. And

24:53

then obviously we left at eight or nine in the morning

24:56

to go back and then people already

24:58

been on the phones and say, oh, there's a lot of people in

25:00

the streets and it was meant to take

25:02

I think a couple of hours to go from speak to the

25:04

city centre in the end. It took us four or five. There

25:06

were so many people in it. These

25:09

are the memories I'll never forget. Winning

25:11

is one thing and obviously to share that with your teammates.

25:13

This is what's brilliant about team sports. That's why I

25:15

always wanted to play a team sport. But

25:17

to see so many happy people and happy

25:20

faces was just a sight

25:22

I don't think anybody ever forgets. Yeah,

25:24

unbelievable. Did it make you emotional? Do

25:27

you get emotional? No, I

25:29

don't get emotional but it

25:33

made me happy because this is what it's all about

25:35

because the fans are part of the football club and

25:37

they've been through a lot over

25:39

the years and obviously it was the last time

25:41

it was 21 years ago when

25:44

they won it in 1984 and there

25:48

were people from six months to a hundred years old

25:50

and also some blue shirts. I

25:53

think this is what's fascinating

25:55

or brilliant about the

25:57

city of Liverpool that even the Everton fans

25:59

have seen. I think appreciated what

26:01

we did on the night or throughout the season.

26:03

And I think this is what, with all

26:06

the rivalry they've got, I think

26:09

they're big enough and fair enough to appreciate when

26:11

the other team does something good. Well,

26:13

is this true as well that you, you

26:16

would often don't drink in blue

26:19

pubs? Yeah, because they leave me alone. Because

26:21

they'd leave you alone in the open. They

26:24

didn't harass me in the red pubs, but

26:27

if you want a bit of peace, if

26:30

I go for a pint on my own, there's

26:33

a reason I'm going on my own, because I don't want to

26:35

speak to anyone. So,

26:38

if I wanted to have a conversation, I wouldn't go

26:40

on my own. But

26:43

I've got to say, they're very thoughtful. People

26:48

don't harass you in Italy, but

26:50

they say, I've never played in Italy, but they say,

26:52

oh, they touch you, they want to take a photo.

26:54

And in them days, they weren't really these camera phones.

26:57

They only just started coming. So,

26:59

they want to shake your hand, they want an autograph,

27:01

so it was all good. But I

27:03

used to go to blue

27:06

pubs as well, probably preferably. And the other

27:08

thing is, there was never any trouble, because

27:10

people say, oh, you go to an Everton

27:12

pub. I said, yeah, people, they appreciate that.

27:16

And in seven years I played there, there

27:18

was never, because we

27:21

had the odd night out. And

27:24

sometimes when people have a drink, crazy

27:28

things happen. But in seven years, there was

27:30

never ever one situation where I

27:32

felt, oh, this could get out of hand now. I

27:36

mean, in terms of trouble, it

27:38

got out of hand at

27:40

times. Well, not in terms of

27:43

getting into trouble or whatever. And

27:48

this is special about the city. And this is why I went

27:51

there, and I stayed there for

27:54

a long time. And it

27:56

was the longest time I played for a club,

27:58

the most successful time. And yeah. It

28:00

was brilliant. You talk about it

28:03

potentially getting out of control sometimes right? I

28:05

just want to touch on Japan

28:08

Japan here. World Club Championship. Yeah, we

28:10

had a few beers after the final.

28:12

Yeah carry on What

28:18

are your thoughts on that? What should you take on it? Well,

28:22

obviously I couldn't play because I played a few

28:24

minutes in the semis I we played Chelsea a

28:26

few weeks before in the Esyen tackled me knee

28:28

height And

28:30

I had a bit of I don't know Infaction

28:33

bruising whatever I had so I couldn't

28:36

play in the final which was bad. We lost the game And

28:39

we got back to the hotel and with the time difference Jamie

28:43

Carrey guy carried obviously a lot of

28:45

some of his mates over there and

28:48

he said it's Chelsea Arsenal I

28:51

think 10 o'clock 10 30 local time You

28:55

know the lads in Ibiza they have the footy on

28:57

let's are we going is he of course we go

28:59

So find a few coming all the Spanish come as

29:02

well because all you know, you know, they never drink.

29:04

Yeah, I know you will So

29:08

anyway the game finished we have a few more so it goes

29:10

to have to Yeah,

29:12

we've got to go. I think the bar wash

29:14

or they just about to shot. Yeah, we need

29:16

a taxi There's only one taxi and

29:18

as we go out the taxis full I didn't

29:21

know he was and he told me today because all the

29:23

Spanish win and I

29:25

said to the Spanish get the hell out because you

29:27

get home, you know because we were we were pissed

29:29

Kara couch myself And

29:31

they only had apple juice. I said come on get out.

29:34

Let us get in the car. They wouldn't have it and

29:37

the next thing I Don't

29:39

know who he was One of Kara's

29:41

face I suppose ran over the cap

29:44

So I don't know whether it's a comment. No,

29:46

it wouldn't be a common thing in Japan. It's

29:48

somebody runs over the over the cap But

29:51

he had a panic button. So he

29:53

never you know within 30 seconds. There's

29:55

police everywhere So everyone everybody's

29:58

running off add a bit of an injury wasn't

30:00

the quickest anyway. So the last

30:02

all off, that was the first one to get

30:04

caught. I mean the tricksters.

30:07

So the Japanese keys of the copper, you know,

30:09

he grabbed me and I said

30:11

to him, you know, he had a lie of

30:14

a bird as a player, player, yeah,

30:16

and he, you know, he didn't understand he was

30:18

having none of it. So he

30:20

put me in the car, takes me to the police station

30:22

and I sit there. Nobody speaks the

30:24

word of English, obviously nobody speaks the word of German.

30:27

And I'm there for a couple of hours. By

30:29

then it's half or five o'clock and I'm thinking I'm not

30:31

here because the couch was leaving and I

30:34

made a lie in lock. And

30:37

then I remember that we had a guy who

30:39

studied in England somewhere, Japanese

30:42

guy, and somehow

30:44

I got them to call the hotel and got

30:46

him on the phone. So he

30:48

turned up half an hour later, explained it all.

30:51

And yeah, I got out, I

30:53

don't know, about six. Straight

30:56

to breakfast. Yeah, a quick

30:58

shower, brekkie and off we went. So

31:01

no one knew, no one knew you'd

31:03

been arrested. Is this the day before

31:06

a game? No, no, this is after

31:08

the game. The worst thing probably coming

31:10

out of it, I ruined with Sami

31:12

Hippia for that trip. And

31:15

Cara was always part

31:17

of that travelling party in the pub.

31:19

So when Cara got back to the hotel, he

31:22

must have seen or he must have heard that they

31:24

nicked me. So he was

31:26

called, every half hour he was called the

31:28

room and Sami, you

31:30

know, he didn't say much of the best of times.

31:32

He was a bit pissed off because he lost out

31:35

on sleep. And he found

31:37

him again at half five and he said, oh, his cars

31:39

are back. He said no. And Sami

31:41

said, he said, don't worry about cars, they always

31:43

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32:27

do you look back on your Germany

32:29

career? As

32:31

a World Cup final. Yeah, I've

32:33

been to four tournaments. Got

32:37

knocked out of the Euros twice in the first round.

32:41

You know, not making excuses but it's probably

32:43

easier to do well in the World Cup. Because

32:45

in the World Cup in the group, usually

32:48

you have as a big nation, you have two teams

32:50

you should beat. You know,

32:53

Euros we had once

32:55

we had Romania, Portugal, England. Obviously got

32:58

beat by England and the other time,

33:00

I can't remember, we had the

33:02

Czechs and we had the Netherlands. Yeah,

33:05

we should have done better than the Euros. You

33:07

know, I started in 1997, so my

33:10

first tournament was World Cup 98 and

33:14

we had the oldest team. I was the youngest player with

33:16

24. That was the year

33:18

I went to Newcastle. I was

33:20

the youngest player with 24. So after

33:22

the World Cup 98, we got knocked out by

33:24

Croatia in the quarter final. I missed a great

33:26

chance to make it 1-0 in the first half,

33:29

which haunted me for a while. There

33:32

were probably still about 10 World Cup winners from

33:34

1990. I

33:37

think most of them, 7, 8, 9

33:39

of them, stopped. So obviously we didn't

33:41

have many players. I was the youngest with 24. There

33:43

wasn't an envelope coming through. And

33:46

that was a problem. Obviously we

33:48

still should have done better than the Euros. Looking

33:51

back, probably

33:55

disappointing because yes, we did go to the World

33:57

Cup final but the winner takes it out.

34:00

and I feel we played

34:02

a Brazil team that was feasible.

34:05

Balac, our captain was suspended. He got a

34:07

second yellow card in the semis, which

34:10

was a shame if he had played or if he

34:12

could play. I think we would have had an even

34:14

better chance. And yeah, we

34:16

had a great unit, we had a great

34:19

spirit, which is not the norm because

34:21

obviously you only see each other for five

34:23

days a month. But obviously

34:26

if you fall short, then, you

34:29

know, if you

34:31

ask me about success and things,

34:33

I would never class that

34:36

tournament as a success because if you

34:38

lose in the final in the quarters,

34:42

doesn't really matter. Who's

34:44

the most impressive German player you

34:46

played with? Well,

34:50

there were a lot. Obviously when I started, there

34:52

were a lot of World Cup winners. The thing is, you

34:54

know, when you talk about players, you

34:57

play with them in different stages

34:59

of their career. Because

35:01

I played with Mateus for about four

35:03

years in Munich and four

35:05

or five years in a national team. Lota

35:08

was a freak. He had

35:10

so many bad injuries and he still played 150 times for

35:12

his country. But obviously when I started

35:14

playing with him, he was in his mid

35:16

30s. The

35:19

best one probably I'd say, and the one I loved

35:22

playing with was Balak because

35:25

he's, he was

35:27

just a leader. You know, he had that

35:29

arrogance where you always felt if he's in

35:31

the team, you know, we'll be all right.

35:33

And he gave a lot of players, I

35:35

think, or the whole

35:37

team, a lot of confidence. He was a

35:39

great captain and I'll probably say Balak. When

35:42

you scored that goal at Wembley, like, did

35:44

that, was that, like,

35:47

did you realize the significance of that? Like the last

35:49

goal at Wembley, like the people, English

35:52

people bring that afterwards, but as a German, do

35:54

you worry about that? It probably would have meant

35:56

more to an English, to an

35:58

English player because. It's like

36:00

you scoring the last goal in

36:03

Munich or in Berlin. It

36:06

would have meant more to an English player. At the

36:08

same time, we hadn't beaten a big side for about

36:10

two or three years. So I think for us, it

36:13

was very important because we just got knocked out in

36:15

the Euros in the first round. It was one

36:17

of the first games, Rudy Voller just took over as a manager.

36:21

And then obviously, playing in Wembley was always special.

36:23

And it was raining. They played

36:25

footballs coming home when

36:27

we warmed up. It was a proper game. I

36:30

think in October, some time, October,

36:33

November. But

36:37

it didn't mean, obviously people still remind

36:39

me and say, oh, he's got a last-guld here

36:41

in Wembley. Does it mean an awful

36:43

lot to me probably not? It's a

36:45

big pub quiz question, that one though. Good one. Do

36:47

you know what I mean? It's the kind of one

36:49

that gets revisited on inboxes and things like that, which

36:51

I'm sure you're really happy with. Yeah,

36:54

was playing against England heightened for German players.

36:57

Was it for English players? It seems like

36:59

it's a big rivalry. There's a lot of

37:01

history behind it, but... Yeah, no,

37:03

no, it was. It was

37:06

probably at the time, it was probably

37:08

our biggest rival. But

37:11

then you've got to say, because two months

37:13

or four months previous, we both got

37:15

knocked out in a group with Romanian

37:18

Portugal, I think it was, because the

37:20

English went home with us. So

37:22

I think both nations struggled for a bit,

37:25

but I think it was Pardo, he

37:28

was a golden generation, wasn't he? Yeah, that's when he started

37:30

in 2000 and 2002. So

37:33

what I would say is that England probably

37:35

had better players than us, and probably should

37:37

have done better in tournaments in

37:41

that time or in that era, they

37:43

didn't. But yeah, it's always

37:45

special, because especially in Wembley was 66, when

37:48

the goal was scored, that probably wasn't over the line.

37:51

And yeah, I'd say it was at the

37:53

time, was our biggest rival, and now it

37:55

probably is again. Yeah,

37:57

what was your version of footballs coming home?

37:59

I never even thought to question that.

38:02

Cause you would have heard that everywhere at the

38:04

time, but was there a German equivalent? No,

38:07

I don't think there is, no, no. They

38:09

never did it, did they? They never found that song.

38:12

What's the biggest German fan football song would you

38:15

say? Not sure we got one. I'm sure

38:17

we have one. See, you ain't got that.

38:19

There's no translation for it. You

38:23

know, like most of this, right, Die

38:26

Tuten Housen, was that all right? To

38:29

talk to Housen. So his

38:31

mate was Campino, right? He sings You'll Never

38:33

Walk Alone. Mad Liverpool

38:35

fan. Mad Liverpool fan, right? He sings You'll Never Walk

38:37

Alone at the end of his gigs, whatever. And then

38:39

he saw me, I went to Munich on a stag

38:41

do. He looked after me and got

38:43

me tickets. We went to Hanover, we flew to Hanover

38:46

for a minute. And in the football

38:48

stadium and he played it and I ended up

38:50

singing You'll Never Walk Alone with Him. On stage

38:52

it was 20,000 people. I

38:55

was like, I'm done. I'm about to talk. What

38:58

are you coming up with now? I was up singing

39:00

it. And I was a porter for

39:02

the time. What

39:06

a moment though. But actually we've talked about doing

39:08

on the podcast as well. We've talked about doing

39:10

Oktoberfest, but doing it properly. I imagine you're the

39:13

guy to sort that potentially.

39:16

What is it like? Oh, it's brilliant,

39:18

isn't it? Right up, right up.

39:20

Hey, you love it. You're just a two week

39:22

piss up, yeah. Would

39:24

you do that as part of the national

39:26

team which you all celebrate, Oktoberfest? I must

39:28

be able to manage. Well, obviously it's... Or

39:31

Bayern or... Yeah, well, the team goes in

39:33

my day, we had a few. In

39:36

this day and age it's very hard because everybody

39:38

knows the lads, everybody's got a camera and they

39:40

can't really. And that's really a shame that... Yeah,

39:45

they have to give a lot of their privacy

39:47

up because they can't really go anywhere. We

39:50

used to do. And

39:52

it's just great. The only thing you have to

39:54

bear in mind that the beer is quite a

39:56

bit stronger than here. So if you can drink

39:58

10 because it's two pints. a mass or

40:00

a stein. So if you

40:02

drink ten pints here and you think you can drink five

40:05

steins there, you'll be in hospital.

40:07

You'll be in Hozie. I

40:13

hear the Hozie. Oktoberfest with the

40:16

Kaiser with the animation. It's all

40:18

Oktoberfest, but the last day

40:20

is always the first day, the

40:22

first Sunday in October. So

40:26

it could be if the

40:28

first of October is a Sunday,

40:31

you go back two weeks. So

40:34

don't think that you come in October because

40:36

October will be finished. So you go to

40:38

Seyi, right? And you spend there.

40:41

Second year. Second year.

40:43

And then you end up working

40:46

with Seyi when you retire. Obviously

40:49

I've heard you speak about him

40:51

in glowing terms. How

40:53

did you find him? I was brilliant. And you

40:55

would have had him in England. He

40:58

was such a nice and

41:01

caring man. And in

41:03

a football club, I think it's very important

41:05

that everybody's happy and he would bring chocolate

41:08

for the tea lady

41:10

or for the girls at the reception. He

41:13

made sure that everybody's happy and everybody's work

41:15

is appreciated. And I think that's a quality

41:17

that not too many have. And I don't

41:20

want to speak about anybody else, but a

41:22

lot of managers, they go in and they

41:24

say, oh, we've got to make sure the

41:26

football side is right. But

41:28

if the rest of it is not right, if the people are

41:30

not happy, because obviously this is how he treated players as well.

41:32

He didn't treat them as

41:35

players. He treated them as human

41:37

beings or as his kids. And

41:41

that was just special. And

41:43

I think this is why he's been successful for

41:45

such a long time, because he

41:47

just managed to have

41:49

that special relationship with players. And

41:52

I'm yet to find somebody who says a

41:54

bad word about him. Everybody enjoyed it and

41:56

loved playing for him. And

41:59

just to Just touching on you obviously

42:02

moving to England and kind of embracing our

42:05

culture and what have you. You're

42:07

into the horses, right? And you're into the cricket? That

42:11

didn't start in Germany. Did that start when you

42:13

come to England? Yeah, I didn't even know cricket

42:15

was played. Obviously I

42:17

went to Old Trafford when I first

42:19

came to Liverpool. At Newcastle we trained

42:22

at Chesterley Street which is next to

42:24

Durham's cricket ground. And

42:27

obviously I said to one of the guys, what are these

42:29

guys doing here? And obviously they had quite a big stand

42:31

as well so I thought it must be a game

42:34

people watch. And

42:36

I watched them train after we trained. I

42:38

got in the car and they were bowling and I

42:40

had a look and I thought Jesus. And

42:43

then when I went to Liverpool I went

42:45

to Old Trafford pretty quickly. I think Pakistan

42:49

was playing and I

42:51

was sitting side on and I obviously

42:53

saw a test match when the best

42:56

ballers play and

42:58

it was just unbelievable the pace they bowled.

43:00

Obviously it was very deceiving on the telly.

43:03

And then I got to meet Freddie Flinzoff and he

43:06

was still playing at Lancashire at the time and

43:09

he took me to the nets one day and I

43:13

hit a few balls and then he said just

43:15

lie down in front of the stumps and

43:18

he said a ball won 95mph Glenn

43:20

McGraw, Brett Lee and he

43:22

said come out of the machine and hit

43:24

the net behind. It's

43:27

95mph, you can't even see. And

43:34

this is when I thought the

43:36

hand-eye coordination these guys have to

43:39

have is just something

43:41

else and people talk about pressure because I like

43:43

the psychological side of it. People talk about pressure

43:45

in football. When in football you make a mistake,

43:47

you've got another 80 minutes to score a goal

43:49

or do something good for the team. And

43:52

if it doesn't work out, you've got another game three

43:54

days after in Test cricket, if you're an opening batter

43:56

you get our first ball, you Sit

43:58

in a pavilion for a day. The and a

44:00

feel for a day and then you've gotta walk out again. And

44:03

then is a geezer seem in and. Out in

44:05

ninety five? My no idea. And if we go

44:07

out twice for a dog, Is

44:10

not go to. The

44:12

one that well thought you know these guys,

44:14

It's their immense pressure they've got Because what?

44:16

What fascinates me about cricket is a is

44:19

a team sport which play earlier on your

44:21

own. Because. If he, if you. Don't.

44:23

Pass well if you get out. You. Know is

44:25

nobody else. If I make a mistake, you make a

44:27

mistake and be can help each other. In

44:30

Cricket. He found them. Them. That's

44:33

what was the fascinates me about

44:35

cricket and them. Yeah, so. This.

44:38

Is probably a a. A

44:41

Sports. Which. I would have loved

44:43

to play as a kid. The.

44:45

Because it's fascinating. the I'm not sure whether would

44:47

have been any good but seven be played a

44:49

bit of a d did I did the i

44:52

thought he played event deck or three runs for

44:54

the last second team or say team they're. Really?

44:57

Asks and I'd only I could only pope

44:59

Amazon get off my shoulders a song to

45:02

to hit it into the offside. so I

45:04

could only. Pass. Into the Lakeside A

45:06

never told anyone. Ah

45:08

allowed is always nice I

45:10

know now as as as arises

45:13

as I finish my career.

45:15

Ah retired. Pretty. Much

45:17

of the if you're on your device

45:19

muslim and heard of yes I'll obviously

45:21

he always begins roses we i like

45:23

the the that you into that yeah

45:26

of have been quite a bit m

45:28

of his he's got his yeah then

45:30

use the facilities is so size around

45:32

the does atkinson on the as brilliant

45:34

and the yeah we still. Have

45:37

is he kept in touch even when he went

45:39

to New Council or because we know sometimes he.

45:42

Used. To chopper to get back and

45:44

forth. We raise it. At first he.

45:47

Ssssss every I'm Africa ah Rothys

45:50

avast your eyes Us: yeah so

45:52

no most he'll speak to him

45:54

and them Yeah Hemming kara. Before.

45:57

you came they were probably the to i was

45:59

i was close You talk of

46:01

Sven, so who was your manager

46:03

at Bayern Munich? The

46:06

one who took me to the

46:08

first he was Feckenbauer and then

46:10

Trappatoni. Yeah, Ray Hagler

46:12

and Trappatoni. The only thing that's true as well,

46:14

there's an amazing story I read about, I don't

46:17

know if it was you or a team mate,

46:20

where there was a bit of a language barrier between you

46:22

and the manager and he needed to

46:24

find the word, I

46:26

think German word for cahones and

46:28

he wanted to give this rousing team speech, but you

46:31

gave him a different word. No, it wasn't me, it

46:33

was Czowany Elbe, actually. It was Elbe, yeah. How

46:36

was that? Well, he

46:38

was looking for the word cahones and

46:41

Czowany said the German word for

46:43

funny. I

46:48

told the lads, because we lost

46:50

the game and his message was,

46:53

he said we can't go in the

46:55

stadium tomorrow and shout, fans, fans,

46:57

we are sorry, we are sorry. He said football

46:59

doesn't work like this, he said we've got to

47:01

go and we've got to show that we have

47:03

cahones. He said we've got to go there and

47:06

we've got to show them that we've got a funny. So

47:09

the lads started smirking and

47:12

it was a great guy trap and

47:14

a brilliant manager and again,

47:17

such a humbling and nice man. And

47:20

some of the lads, they started smirking and laughing

47:22

and he said what the heck is going on

47:24

here and then somebody told him and they need

47:26

to laugh with us. So he was good with

47:29

it. Yeah, absolutely. Brilliant.

47:31

And what was obviously, you can't

47:33

talk about, mention

47:36

Franz Becker, what was he like? He

47:39

had an aura that the

47:41

whole room froze and obviously we

47:44

went to, I played for the second team in Munich for

47:46

about 18 months and I scored a lot of goals because

47:48

in them days I played a bit further forward, scoring

47:51

goals which

47:54

I found harder and harder. So I had to go further

47:56

back. So we

47:58

went to Tenerife at... In the

48:00

winter break, the manager got

48:02

sacked, a Ribek, he took over, so we

48:05

went to Tenerife for

48:07

a week, pre-season training in

48:09

winter, in the winter camp. And

48:13

we go back and at the airport he pulls me and he

48:15

said he stayed with us, because you have two or three players

48:17

from the second team coming, as you

48:19

usually make the numbers up that you

48:21

can play 11, V11, whatever. So

48:24

we trained there, must have done okay, and on the

48:26

way back he said he's staying with us, and I

48:28

made my first, I came on in the first game

48:30

after the winter break, played

48:32

a few times this season, and if

48:35

it wasn't for him, I probably had to go out

48:37

on loan somewhere. So

48:40

it made things a lot easier, he wasn't too

48:42

well obviously, he passed away not long ago, and

48:45

a big, big loss, because I think

48:47

he affected so many people with his

48:49

humility and his dignity and the way

48:51

he treated people, very loving

48:53

and caring man in them, yeah, big loss. And

48:56

what are you up to now, Klais, are

48:58

you back in Munich? Yeah, I'm back in

49:00

Munich doing TV, so I do TV for

49:02

Sky Germany every Saturday, I do quite a

49:04

few games for Ahti in Dublin, for

49:07

the Irish, and yeah,

49:10

do the odd talk here and there when I've

49:12

got time and enjoying

49:15

it. Did I read recently there was

49:17

a bit of a turn throw with Jürgen Klopp

49:19

as well? Not fully across exactly what's happening. I

49:21

think it's a long time ago, I

49:24

said years ago, when he first came

49:26

because they lost the League Cup final

49:28

and they lost to the Air Focke final. And

49:31

I think that's where it started because after he lost

49:33

the Air Focke final, they extended his contract. He's only

49:35

been there eight months. And I said, somebody

49:38

wanted to talk to me about something else, as it always

49:41

is, you know, all about Liverpool. And I said, well,

49:43

I don't really catch by the extended contract because I

49:45

don't think it sets a good example for the fans

49:47

and the players, that you lose two finals and

49:50

you extend his contract because you have three years left. And

49:53

I think he took it the wrong way. I wasn't having a

49:55

go at him. It was more about the club. And

49:59

I think he didn't. take it too well

50:01

because I met some of his family through

50:03

Campino because he's very friendly with the

50:06

sons and the wife and you know I

50:09

haven't got a problem with him but his time for

50:11

Liverpool is second to none you know the nine years

50:13

he's given to the club couldn't have

50:15

been any better and what a story would be if

50:18

he wins the league this year because

50:20

last time unfortunately during Covid no fans

50:22

allowed what a path he would be

50:24

and I do think even

50:27

though after yesterday's result I think they're gonna

50:29

win the league this year. I think while

50:31

they play City at home they've

50:34

got quite a good record at home against City if they

50:36

beat them they're ahead of them yeah

50:40

I think they will I think it gives

50:42

him that extra boost because I think everybody

50:45

wants him to go

50:47

and send him off with

50:49

a best or most possible

50:51

success and I wouldn't be surprised if they

50:53

win more than the Premier League this

50:55

season. You talk with managers you

50:57

had to stab it at yourself how

51:00

did you decide that it wasn't really for you

51:02

that sort of managing and coaching role?

51:04

Yeah well obviously I was with Sven and Lester but

51:06

then I thought I want to do it myself and

51:08

I had a chance to go to Stockport go back

51:11

to to Cheshire

51:13

live there they just got relegated from league two

51:16

most contracts expired there

51:18

were only two three players who still had contracts

51:20

for the for the for the conference. I

51:24

signed a lot of players all you

51:26

can do as you know you can give him a chance and

51:29

didn't win enough games. What

51:32

wasn't my fault the

51:34

players weren't just much

51:36

good. No

51:39

it just it just did work out and

51:41

the thing is I will never forget I

51:43

was still speaking to Rafa who he

51:46

signed it in you know Rafa

51:48

was I think he was a genius the

51:50

guy was everything he said was made sense

51:52

and I I loved and

51:54

and he didn't say much and

51:57

I would have loved

51:59

him to speak every... every day for 10 minutes, 20

52:01

minutes. But obviously he knew that, you

52:04

know, shoulder and sharp and he made you

52:06

think. And I met him one

52:08

day because I still kept in touch with him. And

52:12

we did an exercise. We trained one day Kirby at

52:14

the Academy, which we never done only

52:16

once a year for some reason. And I said

52:18

to Rafa, I said, we did that exercise at

52:20

Kirby that time. And he

52:23

and I put it down and he said, I can't

52:26

remember. I said, well, you can't remember. I said, this is what

52:28

we did. He said, did he? He

52:30

said, you have to realize he said, it's not

52:32

about the exercise. He said, it's about the idea.

52:35

So that was something where I clicked, where I thought

52:38

now this guy, he's doing an

52:40

exercise and it's, I thought it was brilliant.

52:43

And the day after he forgot about it. Yeah.

52:45

And that's a talent or a gift I haven't got.

52:48

And because as you know, if you do

52:50

an exercise in training and it doesn't work,

52:53

the last go, the

52:57

last two days and you do it

52:59

again and the last make go, they

53:02

haven't got a clue. And once the

53:04

manager loses his respect of the players,

53:06

he's finished. So you've got to

53:08

be very careful. So, and this is where

53:10

I thought, because if I do something, I want to try

53:12

or I want to be the best. And

53:15

when he said that, I thought to myself,

53:17

and obviously the bar was pretty

53:19

heavy. Rafa, he wasn't just somebody. He was somebody

53:21

who won the UEFA because he won the league

53:23

with Valencia twice. But

53:26

I thought this is a different level. And I thought, I

53:29

best pack it in. That's what I did.

53:33

Well, he pretty much finished me. Yeah. Did

53:35

he, it sounds to me that you're really into

53:38

sort of the psychological side of sport. Is that

53:40

something that Rafa instilled in you? Or is it

53:42

just something that clicked between you both? No,

53:45

I always felt that, you know, it's 90 percent

53:47

because if you look at the teams, if you

53:49

look at whether it's cricket, whether it's football, you

53:51

know, they can all play. So

53:54

the difference between a top

53:56

team in the Premier League and a mid-table team, I

53:58

don't think it's that big. even the

54:00

championship, it's not that big. The

54:02

biggest difference I think is mentally, how you control

54:05

emotions, how you deal with things, how

54:07

you deal with setbacks, and

54:09

that's always something that

54:11

fascinated me. Yeah. Guys, just

54:14

something we do on the podcast is we

54:16

do an 11. We've

54:18

had various different 11s. Yeah, last one we had

54:20

was an Elton John 11, which

54:22

was good, wasn't it? Yeah, very good. This is Herb's and

54:24

Spike's 11. Rocket men. Yeah.

54:27

Who was it? Who was it? Was it there, wasn't it?

54:29

Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, we have to... Do you have

54:31

no break in my heart? Yeah.

54:34

Yeah. We had... Cantal

54:36

in the wind, that kind of thing. Cantal in the wind,

54:38

that. You

54:42

get the idea. It's along those lines anyway. So

54:44

I've got Herb's and Spike's 11. Oh. Chili

54:48

Caballero. There's

54:54

a few dodgy ones here. Saffron Vlaar, Danny

54:56

Roseberry. Danny Roseberry. Lee

54:59

Parsley. Lee Parsley's

55:01

great. Yeah. Look

55:05

at him, he's a manager, doesn't he?

55:07

Lee Parsley, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good,

55:12

Declan Spice. Mint

55:14

Dempsey. Mint Dempsey, that's good. That

55:17

is good. Cuban spice. Pyramid

55:22

Brienia informing

55:24

that future

55:32

uj commander for

55:37

Is the

55:47

d' vice quattro at production and

55:49

take off with pure dates

55:53

you cannot do

55:58

the read I've

56:00

spared him I've never thought he was going

56:02

to win. Oh Jon, Jon, Jon what a

56:05

legend. What did you take

56:07

him? What? A

56:09

week? A week? A belter.

56:11

What are you doing? What are you doing Jon?

56:14

No. That wasn't Elton though. No,

56:16

no, no. That's

56:18

getting back if it was him. Wow

56:21

brilliant. Oh that was totally not what he was

56:23

going to be. Oh well. I

56:26

always think with these 11s you must come away from here and you'll be

56:28

thinking of them all day. You're thinking of them

56:30

all day. There'll be one that gets here. Feel free to message

56:32

it. Oh they're chive. Chive. What

56:35

is your favourite there? Because they're quite like Q

56:37

and Son because it's right. Also

56:39

very quickly in case no one knows why are you

56:42

called the Kaiser? We

56:44

had a pool table at Melbourne and

56:47

we used to play with I used to play with Michael

56:49

Owen against John Alnerisier

56:53

because Chinga

56:55

as we called him he thinks he's

56:57

smart. But

56:59

he's not and

57:02

he thought he can take us on. I

57:07

was a safety merchant and I mal-finished him

57:09

off. I was brilliant. Best team in the world.

57:11

And we had a tally, a big tally. And

57:16

there was a Moscone Cup at the time, the 9 ball

57:19

competition. And

57:22

there was a German guy called Ralp Suke. I

57:24

think he was even world champion, 9 ball world champion.

57:28

And the lads walk in like they do in darts.

57:30

Obviously this is going back 20 odd years now. And

57:33

Ralp Suke played in the Moscone Cup for Europe. And

57:36

he walked in here, the shirt on with Kaiser in

57:38

the back. And Mo

57:40

said if I get you one of those, would you wear it?

57:43

I said yeah of course I would. And that

57:45

was it. The Kaiser was boring.

57:48

The Kaiser was boring. I didn't know

57:50

that story. I've told you Kaiser my

57:52

whole life. That was Mo. Mike

57:56

started it. Brilliant mate. One big day.

58:00

We got a name this pub we're

58:02

in guys. Yeah, I've got a few

58:04

entries here call it the crouching horses

58:06

classic pub name the

58:10

crouching in dragon No

58:14

Boy, oh, the crouching duck in The

58:27

three trolleys I

58:30

think the chump was

58:32

it the chumba chumba one bar.

58:34

Yeah, come for one bar. Yeah

58:37

Yeah, that was a real one

58:39

chumba one bar. Yeah Well,

58:46

I think we'll go with that for now the chumba

58:48

one bar, yeah, yeah, we'll go with that What'd

58:51

be my favorite to you? All right. Well,

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