C. talks about changes in creative output, Lam and C. ponder the importance of deadlines and weekly routines, they question the meaning of things once the obvious goals are gone, Lam praises repetition while begrudging coming home to make choices, somehow they make the point that pure democracy is terrifying without descending into actually talking about politics, they debate the existences of genius and natural talent, they tear apart the idiom of 'practice makes perfect,' Lam informs C. that there will be a fourth Matrix movie, he then tries to convince him to watch the Foundation tv show, and C. replies by telling him that he has no interest in the Will Smith adaptation of I Am Legend.

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