Nicole Perlroth, New York Times reporter covering digital espionage and author of “This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends,” joins Chuck to uncover what's really happening with America's cyberwar.

Twenty years after her lone vote to oppose a broad use of force authorization following September 11th, and on the same day that President Biden announced his plan to withdraw from Afghanistan, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) talks to Chuck about America's longest war.