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there now. This

3:21

is Michael Cohen and you're listening to the

3:23

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3:25

today with some bad news because

3:28

it's happening live. Your interest, anything

3:30

but a religious view. The

3:33

issue of when life begins has

3:36

been hotly debated by philosophers

3:40

since the beginning of time. It's

3:43

still debated in religious. So

3:45

when you say this is the only right that

3:49

takes away from the state the

3:52

ability to protect the life, that's

3:55

a religious view, isn't it? Donald

3:57

Trump's lasting political legacy won't be

3:59

the assault. the engineered on democracy,

4:01

nor the resurgence of an ugly

4:04

authoritarian nativism that he unleashed upon

4:06

this nation like Munich circa 1932.

4:10

Instead, it's the Supreme Court,

4:12

stupid, corsing, cabinet, and barry,

4:14

the choice of conservative jurists

4:16

appointed to the bench during

4:19

Trump's four years in office.

4:21

And today, they're about to preside

4:24

over a complete dismantling of a

4:26

woman's reproductive rights and the eventual

4:28

overturning of Roe v. Wade. It

4:30

looks very likely that Roe v.

4:32

Wade will soon be overturned. And

4:35

you know when you think about it, it is wild. It's wild

4:37

for the United States to take such a

4:39

step backwards in women's rights. It's

4:42

almost like the US invaded Afghanistan to defeat

4:44

the Taliban and then came back to the

4:46

US like, actually, those guys have some pretty

4:48

good ideas. And now the truth is, the

4:50

truth is that this is the culmination of

4:53

a 50-year plan for the conservative movement to

4:55

reshape the courts for this very purpose. Now

4:58

say what you want about it. You

5:00

got to admit, man, the conservative movement

5:02

is just that dedicated to protecting life.

5:06

I mean, not protecting life from coronavirus, or

5:09

school shootings, or lack of

5:11

healthcare, or climate change, or poverty,

5:13

or should Roe be overturned, at least

5:15

20 states will immediately

5:18

or in short order make

5:20

almost all abortions unlawful, forcing

5:22

women who can afford it

5:24

to travel long distances to

5:26

obtain the procedure. Let's

5:28

go to the tape to listen to what

5:31

went down in court today and what likely

5:33

will happen next. Clearly on this

5:35

issue, the court is out of step with the

5:37

American people and they know that they're out of

5:39

step with the American people and they kind of

5:41

tacitly acknowledge that. But this

5:43

is a very conservative Supreme

5:45

Court that The Pro-life movement

5:47

in the United States has been waiting for

5:50

for decades, and they're moving incredibly fast. I

5:52

mean, I Take Neil's point that they moved

5:54

a little bit incrementally for the first few

5:56

months, but this is sort of lightning speed

5:58

since they've managed to. The game and

6:00

majority on the courts and they going

6:03

to change American life very quickly as

6:05

well. This is why conservative stuff with

6:07

Donald Trump. This is why Evangelical for

6:09

Life questions that held their noses and

6:11

stuff with Donald Trump course that they

6:13

wanted. But the numbers of people in

6:15

America who. Still support Roby.

6:18

Weight. Has held. Consistently.

6:20

In the majority over the years and

6:22

and this is going to put the

6:24

court in a tricky position because they're

6:27

doing something that is very out of

6:29

step with where America or it can

6:31

have us and you. The truth of

6:33

abortion. America's economic right. It's It's an

6:35

economic issue and it's going to have

6:38

disproportionately affect minority women and poor women

6:40

in this country and they work Feel

6:42

this court is representing the. First,

6:44

certain kinds of conservative the

6:46

coin for banning abortions be

6:49

ultimate litmus test, this was

6:51

the reason the good news.

6:55

Looks good. Stole Christmas we

6:58

remind republicans said it was

7:00

his judges. Speak

7:04

bees I did. This question

7:07

remains how loyal Trump's justices

7:09

would be in the coming

7:11

weeks when the inevitable question

7:13

of his own executive produce

7:16

comes before them. On

7:18

Tuesday he settled feel Score Panels

7:20

appeared skeptical of the former presidents

7:22

claim says he has the power

7:25

to block of congressional subpoena of

7:27

for White House records related to

7:29

the January Sixth Attack on the

7:31

Capital. Is he doesn't Fact Louis

7:34

at this appeals courts is what

7:36

most observers are predicting. He possibly

7:38

welcome appealing up to the United

7:40

States Supreme Court and. If nothing

7:43

else will succeed in further delay in

7:45

the matter and that is not incidental

7:47

in this case. In

7:49

fact, appears to be his only. real game at

7:51

this point he does not have any

7:53

great legal arguments to make as issue

7:56

before the us court of appeals for

7:58

the district of columbia circuit is

8:00

whether Mr. Trump is so likely to

8:02

lose the case that the National

8:05

Archives should be permitted to turn

8:07

over batches of records to the

8:09

House committee right away, or

8:11

whether they should stay blocked while the case

8:13

is fully litigated. Kristen, there's a great deal

8:16

of concern about these documents getting out. It's

8:18

the reason why former President Trump has been

8:20

so adamant not only that

8:22

his former aides and advisers not

8:24

cooperate with this committee, but that

8:26

these documents not see the light

8:29

of day. You know, there are a

8:31

couple of things that these documents which show that I

8:33

think Trump wants to keep secret, and one

8:35

of them is what he was doing on

8:37

January 6th, who he was talking to, what

8:39

that call-off looked like, what the internal notes

8:41

in the White House looked like, what

8:44

sort of messages his receptionist

8:46

and secretary was receiving in

8:49

the afternoon while the attack was taking

8:51

place. Trump's lawyers asked the appeals court,

8:53

if it rules against them, to keep

8:56

blocking the National Archives from

8:58

providing the disputed documents to

9:00

Congress for another 14

9:03

days to give the ex-president time to

9:05

appeal again to the Supreme Court. A

9:07

showdown in the courtroom today as lawyers

9:09

for the former president tried to stop

9:11

the release of his call records and

9:14

handwritten notes from January 6th. The

9:16

judges sounded skeptical of the president's

9:18

claim of executive privilege. The Trump

9:21

legal team suggested each document

9:23

could be reviewed individually.

9:31

The judges were not moved. Please

9:33

stop! And this is when the real decision

9:35

will go down. After

9:37

all, the appeals to executive privilege

9:39

were nothing but a stole tactic.

9:42

Trump doesn't give a shit about

9:45

future precedent. He cares about Trump

9:47

and knows that whatever is inside

9:49

those archives is really fucking bad.

9:52

I'm worriedly optimistic that

9:54

despite the 6-3 conservative

9:56

court, Trump's justices will

9:59

nevertheless appeal. hold the rule

10:01

of law and order the documents

10:03

released. January 6th committee member, California

10:05

Congressman Pete Aguilar, said the documents

10:07

could satellite on new reports. Mr. Trump

10:09

spent the hours before the Capitol attack

10:11

working the phone, talking to advisors about

10:13

ways to stop the certification of President

10:16

Biden's election. This was a key focus

10:18

on the president's mind at the time,

10:21

and he was working with his

10:23

team in order to try to support

10:25

the certification of his ballots. The irony

10:27

of Trump's desire to appoint judges

10:29

who would overturn Roe v. Wade is

10:32

the callous nature in which Trump views

10:34

the lives and health of those

10:36

who surround him on a daily basis.

10:39

Hint, demand is to give a flying

10:41

fuck and prove this to

10:43

a startling degree in his incompetent

10:45

handling of the COVID outbreak. Worse

10:48

was the way he dealt with

10:51

his own COVID diagnosis. What we

10:53

all saw, you know, in

10:55

real time throughout Trump's handling

10:57

of the coronavirus, you know, from when

10:59

he was downplaying testing, telling people that

11:01

they can inject themselves with disinfectants to

11:03

saying it was a miracle and would

11:05

all go away. He was essentially patient

11:08

zero in our disinformation pandemic. The

11:11

Guardian obtained a copy of former

11:13

Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows

11:15

upcoming book, The Chief's Chief, which

11:18

claims to have just been positive

11:20

three days before his first debate against

11:23

Biden on September 29 of last year. Meadows

11:27

recounts Trump taking off on a helicopter

11:29

from the White House lawn on September

11:32

26 to get

11:34

to a Pennsylvania rally right after

11:36

attending the Supreme Court confirmation event

11:38

for Amy Comey Barrett, now known

11:40

to have been a super spreader

11:43

event. It's a reminder, Wolf, of

11:45

the fact that this White House treated COVID

11:47

as if it was something they could wish

11:49

away, as if it was something that Trump

11:51

just didn't want to deal with. And as

11:54

long as he was safe, everything was fine.

11:56

So Many people got sick after that,

11:58

that whole Amy. Honey Barrett, a press

12:01

event that the Trump was inviting people into,

12:03

and then one of the point that I

12:05

just want to make in terms of the

12:07

reactions. Trump tried to essentially blame at one

12:09

of his aides, Hope Hicks for getting him

12:11

sick when he gave his first interview after

12:13

we learned for certain that he was guy

12:15

on October first when it was likely than

12:17

October. Signals confirmed clearly base on the sequence

12:19

of events. He. Was under the weather before

12:21

that and and they're all these other people caught

12:24

up after him. So it it's It's shocking. I

12:26

mean, it is is, is it. It's tremendous. disregard.

12:28

For the revolution for marriage comes

12:30

in the use of appears that

12:33

he will cooperate with January Six

12:35

committee in their insurrection pro. Meadows

12:38

testimony is seen as key to

12:40

the committee's investigation because he was

12:43

deeply involved in Trump's efforts to

12:45

overturn the Twenty Twenty election and

12:48

could provide crucial insight into what

12:50

the President was doing. You've seen

12:52

as the attacking folder and January

12:55

Six. Months Amid

12:57

was is believed to have

12:59

spent considerable time size at

13:01

the White House swathes of

13:03

the President's borders storm the

13:05

capital. The Meadows

13:08

the zip to have tried to

13:10

enlist the bar for Trump's Trump's

13:12

daughter of to reason with her

13:14

father during the rampage. The committee

13:16

says Donald Trump's former Chief of

13:18

staff and a potentially crucial witness

13:20

appears to have reversed his initial

13:22

resistance to the subpoena you received.

13:25

Committee Chairman Any Thompson said Mark

13:27

Memo Meadows who remember as a

13:29

former house member himself has already

13:31

submitted documents and will soon have

13:33

here for a test deposition Thompson

13:35

added in a statement quote. The

13:37

Select Committee expects all witnesses,

13:39

including Mister Meadows to provide

13:42

all information requested and that

13:44

the Select Committee is lawfully

13:46

entitled to receive. The committee

13:48

will continue to assess his

13:50

degree of compliance with our

13:52

subpoena after the depositions. The

13:55

committee's also expected: speaking Contempt

13:57

Of Congress proceedings against your

13:59

Free. Official.

14:02

Involved the Mister Trump's efforts to.

14:05

Opening the illusion any holes

14:07

avoiding session to with the

14:09

name of the whorehouse find

14:11

him in criminal contempt. The

14:13

Bull would be the second

14:15

such confrontations between the committee

14:17

and an ally of the

14:19

former president. Since Congress began

14:21

investigating circumstances surrounding the Capital

14:23

Riot which resulted in multiple

14:25

deaths and dozens of injuries,

14:27

I can think of something

14:29

more. Destructive to the

14:31

Justice Department's to the rule, all than

14:33

us to the constitution than what this

14:36

guy death on is trying to maneuver

14:38

for your own private ends and using

14:40

as the. It up the

14:42

him from a tour and of with

14:44

Legacy as a justice farmer to do

14:47

that that is unforgivable. That's why this

14:49

content both has to happen. There wasn't

14:51

a choice and it's fighter record can't

14:53

do anything in terms of answering the

14:56

questions because of his answers the questions

14:58

Congress as he looks like frankly traitor

15:00

to in that is obviously nobody wants

15:02

to do so is I'm afraid this.

15:04

In court twenty not immediately issue a

15:07

public statement about the Meadows deal with

15:09

the panel, but he attacked the committee

15:11

on. Tuesday for moving against

15:13

Clark. Interesting to watch the

15:16

on Select committee go after the gentleman

15:18

at the Department of Justice who thought

15:20

the election was rigged but not go

15:22

after the people who did the rigging.

15:25

Mister Trump says in a statement denouncing

15:27

the panel. Before we get

15:29

into the main event, I want to

15:31

see something about what has become a

15:34

continuing patterns of racism in rancorous emanating

15:36

from the deal. Peace far right size.

15:39

The Say: we broke for Thanksgiving. It

15:42

was he says. Have been discussing.

15:44

It. And seats in which

15:46

he portrayed her violent murder.

15:49

Last week it was Colorado

15:51

representative More and billboards attack

15:53

on Minnesota representative Joe How

15:55

no more Who she suggested

15:57

was a little terrorist and

15:59

stunning. When.

16:03

One of my family and I were

16:05

leaving the capital were going back to

16:07

my office and now they're and I

16:09

see a couple feet officers. I

16:15

see. Any.

16:25

And was my last And they're seeing.

16:29

As well as you know

16:32

about buying. Tickets

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for. A Public Apology. So

16:41

I told Ilhan Omar that she

16:44

should make a public apology to

16:46

the American People for her anti

16:48

American anti semitic anti please. Read

16:50

or any points to simmering problem

16:53

for the G O P as

16:55

an extreme right flank is quickly

16:57

becoming the noisy face of the

16:59

Republican parody v some style mad

17:01

the War use It or with

17:04

Donald Trump in their politics and

17:06

media savvy have begun devouring their

17:08

own like new cannibals on a

17:10

know when to it's been shot

17:13

to death and they're school government

17:15

contracts. To

17:20

be dealing with continuing. Wing

17:23

republican Congress but they are in

17:26

Congress and they are raising a

17:28

lot of money or more overt

17:30

and merge retail green. They have

17:32

no. Real. Asked

17:37

understanding of how Washington

17:39

works there. Knowing what

17:42

would be called backbench nobody's back in

17:44

the day it they have managed somehow

17:46

cow most of their party's specially the

17:48

leadership style. For. That they been

17:51

praised by the presence of course and

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have managed to raise many times and

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dollars and the average in Greens case

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according to campaign for the As database

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or. Secret or six times

18:01

the average The for them

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Mississippi they made even fatter.

18:05

No doubt I'd been recovered.

18:08

But. To the extent that matters from

18:10

speaks for one of them to major

18:12

political parties in this country, they sort

18:14

of can't be ignored and suggests moink

18:16

homes wound green and boogerd who were.

18:19

Doing. The talking not their leadership.

18:21

First Representative Marge Retail Green

18:23

of Georgia called her freshman

18:25

colleague mean she made to

18:27

South Carolina thrash for condemning

18:29

Miss Billboards remarks in a

18:31

television interview Me and need.

18:35

Learned over. The floor

18:38

and Bobo something about L Hon

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I'm are it's no big deal. Know

18:42

when these people says worst things about

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as that Hollis Thompson and White supremacists

18:47

they call it's racist Psychosis access

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and those are those are nasty words

18:51

that none of us are not of

18:53

us are that sense. So when he

18:56

does out and wants to attack Lauren

18:58

by work yes she deserves to

19:00

be called out because the Nancy Macys

19:02

The One Out Alliance pandering on Cnn.

19:05

Miss Mason used a series. Of

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images of that, a pile of

19:09

shit and a crazy clown to

19:11

discriminate between the best fifty students,

19:14

social media tax calling her a

19:16

liar, a grifter and and not.

19:18

The she say this is insane. too bad for the

19:20

party and I'm not going to put up with that

19:22

and I'm not gonna tolerate it not going into bully

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that, not a doormat, Rep. Adam choosing

19:27

the Republican of Humor Nord

19:29

stream to Miss Macys defense

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calling the screen and serious

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searches for from Space Laser

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a reference to social media

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posts that she wants circulated

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suggesting that wildfires in the

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West that been started by

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the lasers own by the

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Rothschilds a Jewish painting families.

19:48

Miss Victims Zinger David Said Representative

19:50

Kevin Mccarthy of California the Republican

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leader and would be speed girl

19:55

who had done nothing to discipline

19:57

rank and file members of his

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time. Rinse repeat it's and

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violence statements continues his silence

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streak that wouldn't make a

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month plus. Get the fuck

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Dat Phan representative Mexican tapes

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Miss Greens took to Twitter

20:14

to amplify and attacked by

20:16

the right wing provocateur set

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to so be it financing

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dismissed as a scam artists

20:22

for promoting thrown a virus

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vaccinations on Cnn. The

20:28

carnival like behavior would amount

20:30

to little more than an

20:32

entertaining sideshow sister not a

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real for Mr. Campaigns of

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possibly. The

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Nancy Pelosi referring to him as

23:57

the conscience of the freshman class.

24:01

in 2008. That same year,

24:03

he was instrumental in passing the first

24:05

of its kind House resolution, apologizing

24:08

for the enslavement and racial

24:11

segregation of African Americans. Nowadays,

24:14

he is chairman of the

24:16

Judiciary Subcommittee on Civil Rights,

24:19

Ethics, and the Constitution. Beyond

24:22

his leadership position, Cohen is

24:24

a steadfast voice against the rising

24:26

tide of right-wing extremism. Last

24:29

May, he introduced H.R. 1405, which would

24:31

produce a clause of action

24:34

to remove and bar from holding

24:37

office certain individuals who engage in

24:39

insurrection or rebellion against the United

24:41

States. The prescient move

24:43

is a potential bulwark against Trump

24:46

from holding office should his actions

24:48

on January 6th be found culpable

24:50

for inciting the mob that terrible

24:52

day. In addition,

24:55

Cohen has tangled with Trump's

24:57

right-wing congressional goon squad, taking

24:59

on Lauren Bulbert after January

25:02

6th for potentially aiding insurrectionists.

25:05

He joins me on May of

25:07

Culper today as Democrats took a

25:09

much-deserved victory lap for the Build

25:11

Back Better Act. He was also

25:13

instrumental in helping pass a censor

25:15

vote against the insane Paul Gosar

25:17

and has much to say about

25:20

the violent political rhetoric of today's

25:22

GOP. So get ready for one

25:24

hell of an episode, folks, and let's

25:26

go now to that conversation. So, Congressman,

25:29

pinned at the top of your page

25:31

is a remembrance of the late great

25:33

John Lewis, with whom you served for

25:35

many years in Congress. I'm

25:38

curious what you think he would

25:40

make of not only the January

25:42

6th insurrection, but of Trump's big

25:44

lie and the shift that's happening

25:46

towards authoritarianism on the part of

25:48

the GOP. Well, Congressman Lewis

25:50

would be appalled, and he and I

25:53

were two of the first people to say

25:55

that Donald Trump was an illegitimate

25:57

president. Those were the words of John Lewis. And

26:00

our from day one and I join

26:02

him and not going to the state

26:04

of these address or any of said

26:06

it he addresses. That. Going to his

26:08

or swearing in ceremony. I'd. Settle.

26:11

On the man doesn't deserve the I didn't

26:13

deserve the office. Ah he didn't

26:16

deserve the up the podium. And.

26:18

He disgrace America. Think in in his

26:20

time in office so get your job.

26:22

Lewis was. Early he was the

26:24

first person to really stand up about Donald

26:27

Trump and. His gut. says.

26:30

Lack of a of. Ah, His.

26:34

Last of our American values and the

26:36

fact that he was a grifter and

26:38

you have a look after itself is

26:40

family run. The country said he would

26:42

be appalled. Game or six would really

26:44

shocked if. There. Was obviously

26:46

this shit about President Trump?

26:49

and. Benedict. Arnold type

26:51

of treason. Or that should

26:53

go down in infamy and the committee

26:55

shrine of. Gal. The facts

26:57

american public know it for John Lewis

26:59

would be totally I guess and all

27:01

of that and.he almost he gave his.

27:04

Life. Or what was my life. Right

27:07

to vote for this country's great history

27:09

that that the of the constitution and

27:11

giving people opportunity and he stood up

27:14

and he was arrested many times for

27:16

getting into good trouble as a com.

27:19

Or with those people watching you were doing. a

27:21

January six was edge wrong. They. Were

27:23

trying to overthrow the government and it was

27:25

at the direction of down from. The.

27:27

Instigator married have to Rudy Giuliani

27:29

of Donald Trump Junior. All

27:32

the other little Trump's and the former

27:34

Mayor of New York our Rudy Giuliani.

27:36

while the sun also forget Josh. Holy

27:38

Lauren Bowl berth The on the whole

27:40

the whole crew of misfits you know

27:42

all joined in in the same read.

27:44

Or if you know a lot of

27:46

people don't realize Ah John Lewis's history.

27:48

I mean going back. Seventeen.

27:51

terms that he served in the

27:53

house of representatives i mean first

27:56

elected what was that in eighty

27:58

six in nineteen eighty six But

28:00

they also don't understand what his

28:02

true background was as a pioneer.

28:04

I mean starting in like 1961

28:08

I think he he was one of

28:10

the original What did they call them

28:12

the freedom riders that he and I

28:14

think it was like seven black

28:16

men and six white men were

28:18

going to jump on the buses

28:20

and travel together I mean the

28:23

man is a legend. He's

28:25

an icon in civil rights

28:27

in Democracy, and

28:30

that's really why I asked you the

28:32

question what he would think of somebody

28:34

like Donald Trump I do have to

28:36

say congressman that you know when when

28:39

you said and and in some respects

28:41

I obviously I agree with you on

28:43

everything But I think Donald Trump had

28:45

the right to run as does every

28:47

American citizen, right? The crazy thing is

28:50

the fact that this lunatic right this

28:52

Captain Chaos Actually won

28:54

and on this side of the aisle

28:57

right when you know We were when

28:59

I was certainly promoting his

29:01

presidential run One of

29:03

the things that myself and others used

29:05

to constantly talk about is

29:07

that we were always hoping that he

29:09

would rise rise

29:12

to the level of the office

29:14

of the president of the United

29:16

States as opposed to Debase it

29:18

and sort of sink into this

29:20

this um this toilet or like

29:22

this dumpster fire that he ended

29:25

up creating of The

29:27

office whereby he doesn't

29:29

believe that he needs the

29:31

house. He doesn't need to send it

29:33

He is the all powerful the almighty

29:36

and all powerful Oz, right? This little

29:38

man, you know, and I'm not talking

29:40

about in terms of height, but in

29:42

terms of mental Capabilities

29:44

this little man sitting there pulling

29:46

a whole bunch of strings blowing

29:48

fire out right this larger-than-life character

29:51

to scare people That's exactly who

29:53

Donald Trump is. I mean the

29:55

Wizard of Oz was written in

29:57

my opinion, you know for Donald

29:59

Trump. Draw. Agree with you,

30:01

that's certainly true and a sob. We bring

30:03

up John Lewis Dowd from. The.

30:05

John Lewis was a hero on the

30:08

freedom the bus price of freedom rise

30:10

to the south with a d people

30:12

and and just knocked over the buses

30:14

and they were all arrested for he

30:17

also the sit ins and national it

30:19

at Woolworth's to get African americans the

30:21

right to be able to use public

30:24

facilities to eat and a Woolworths and

30:26

most separate places like wars. oh we're

30:28

not talking now French restaurants like got

30:30

ah it examined New York we're talking

30:33

to stick to com and to time.

30:35

Five and dime store and sit at

30:37

fix our but. When. He saw

30:40

it at some point. Trump made some

30:42

comments might have been after John Lewis

30:44

passing. And it might have been

30:46

earlier. but he said something like our

30:49

asses earlier and he said i like

30:51

people are of who have access. Not.

30:53

People who just talk. And

30:55

Chandler was was a man of

30:57

action. He was beaten when he

31:00

left the Selma March to Montgomery

31:02

with Little March for voting rights

31:04

and this Alabama State troopers on

31:06

horses and. Clubs Hell

31:08

now. Charged. Him if

31:10

he stood his ground it was be almost

31:12

death. But he stood up for the right

31:14

about and was the leader on the front

31:17

last. he was a man of action. And

31:19

down from that get A! He's a man

31:21

of out of words and he is

31:23

like the Wizard of Oz. It I saw

31:26

several recent with the that may be

31:28

the quintessential American movie about so many different

31:30

things and it was a lot agree

31:32

quotes from there but doubt I guess you

31:34

could say we're down from now. We're

31:36

not in Kansas anymore, but we're no longer.

31:39

we're not towers more. He never knew

31:41

that you never saw that. Yeah.

31:43

That's a great that's agree comparison. price

31:46

of the The Wizard of the Wizard

31:48

of Oz is some you know layer

31:50

and Trump Tower It's a it's a

31:52

great visual yeah but there's no Judy

31:55

Garland. Unfortunately in a maybe Nancy Pelosi

31:57

is Judy Garland. A

31:59

week. Yeah a whole new crowd

32:01

would be if of individual's rights and

32:03

will get a vague we will make

32:05

a whole new Wizard of Oz you

32:07

know, featuring Donald by me up the

32:09

curtains and can't wait for Docker. See

32:11

Donald doesn't like dogs if you noticed.

32:14

I think he might be the only

32:16

president. In. History least as far

32:18

as I could remember back that didn't have

32:20

a pet at the White House. Sweaty is

32:22

as much. As it did, he

32:24

paid it off at some time now. Now

32:26

he never has, He never had pets, even

32:29

as a child arm. He's just he's not

32:31

somebody who's warm, he doesn't want to have

32:33

to take care of a tad even though

32:36

you would think with all of his arm

32:38

yeah with all this money he can find

32:40

a dog walker, somebody to groom and take

32:42

care of it. He just doesn't want to

32:45

be bothered seats more than happy having an

32:47

inanimate objects like a golf club to walk

32:49

around with all day long arm yelling of

32:52

course brag about what a great. Golfer

32:54

he which of course is just

32:56

one of the forty eight million

32:58

lies that he is told since

33:00

obviously taking office but know he's

33:02

never had a pad and he's

33:04

not a fan of animals for

33:06

narcissistic com is applied a narcissist

33:08

to the nth degree which he

33:10

is. Would. Not want to share

33:12

any tomboy station with any other person.

33:15

Really, I have been deceived. Not an

33:17

animal, but restraints every presque at the

33:19

Clintons. I guess they had a dog,

33:21

but they certainly a cast. And

33:24

and that's just gets kind of it

33:26

it would typical people do and he

33:28

just has no ability to to to

33:30

give and and care for anything or

33:33

but for himself. He's a very very

33:35

unusual first. He

33:38

a very well. He did have a

33:40

couple of pets. I mean he had

33:42

Steve Miller he had as the Banning.

33:44

He had Jason Miller who's a lap

33:46

dog. You know he had a Corey

33:49

Lewandowski another lap dog right up Mark

33:51

Meadows. Yeah we can be a mosque.

33:54

right? right? That's that's what I

33:57

do want. Se Congressmen your instrumental

33:59

in the. Passage of the Build

34:01

Back Better Plan. What part of

34:03

that legislation do you believe would

34:06

be most transformative for the American

34:08

people? Well. The the most. Biggest.

34:11

Percentage of money went to claim climate and

34:13

in the long run we have to preserve

34:15

the earth and and and. Where.

34:17

It where day three the earth and happened with with.

34:21

Carbon. Fuel and. Fossil. Fuels.

34:23

And so I think the. Hundred

34:25

plus. Of billion dollars that

34:28

would ensue. Ah, preserving the earth

34:30

including yourself with grants to folks

34:32

do in. New. Cuter of

34:34

wind and solar. In

34:36

the long run is going to be super important,

34:39

but lifting. A Lot of children

34:41

out of poverty. The child tax credits lifted.

34:43

Forty percent of the children in this country

34:45

were popping out of poverty. And

34:47

that so important for the next generation

34:49

and for people who need it need

34:51

a lot of step up in life

34:53

and death or were given by down

34:56

from are unbelievable amounts of money from

34:58

day one and. So. Much money

35:00

that they are. They could fail. He he

35:02

still fail Fail And they'll produce. Failed.

35:04

Out fast off most people don't

35:07

have that and is this child?

35:09

Tax credits real forth? in my

35:11

state, Expanding medicaid is seriously important.

35:14

Their. About eleven or twelve southern states.

35:16

Probably southern states. It's expand Medicaid.

35:18

Under the Affordable Care Act. so

35:21

people were denied medicaid services. That

35:23

this will get them Medicaid and

35:25

healthcare And healthcare. So porn. Or

35:28

to everybody in that's that's but there's

35:30

so much good. Childcare is important to

35:32

keep working. women are opportunistic to get

35:34

into the workforce and and not that

35:36

have to stay at home and gear

35:38

for the to room to had to

35:40

do so much Direct route of ours

35:42

in particular for an elderly people and

35:44

ah I'm getting either that age for

35:46

all of you to ask. For.

35:48

The Smokey For low income people that she's

35:50

have somebody come in our skill I treat

35:52

you with your all our your home is

35:54

important to you want to be in your

35:57

career. and dot have somebody come in and

35:59

take care of you help you with your

36:01

meals and with minor, maybe

36:05

even personal hygiene needs. That's

36:07

important. So we did things for the elderly.

36:09

We give people an opportunity to get hearing

36:11

aids, which people need through Medicaid,

36:13

so our Medicare. And there was just so

36:16

many important things in that field. Clean water.

36:18

We've got poor lead pipes in Memphis that

36:20

were highlighted up in Michigan, but

36:22

kids drinking water contaminated by

36:24

lead. That shouldn't have to, we'll get rid of

36:26

all the lead pipes. We'll extend broadband to inner

36:29

cities, rural areas, where they don't have it. If

36:31

you don't have broadband, you can't be a part

36:33

of this society, which is a high tech society.

36:35

So yeah, and we're going to prove the electric

36:37

grid. So there was a lot in the bill

36:41

to say what's most important. It's all important.

36:44

I totally agree. You know, I want to

36:47

break down the bill for a moment because

36:49

I'm sure you've seen that

36:52

Joe Biden's favorability ratings are

36:54

not in my estimation where they belong. I

36:56

think the guy's doing a great freaking job.

36:59

I want to be honest with you. I actually

37:01

think he's doing, now, do I think that

37:03

everything that he's done so far is great?

37:06

No. Do I think that some things could

37:08

have been better thought out? Sure. Why not?

37:10

But for the most part, I think he's

37:12

actually accomplishing. Look, let's put it this way.

37:14

This build back better bill. He's

37:17

now passed in the first year

37:20

of his presidency. Trump

37:22

didn't pass shit in his,

37:25

in his entire four years. He had one,

37:27

well, he had a bipartisan first step

37:29

back. He did the tax scam and that was,

37:32

and I'm not going to use your word, but

37:34

it was that four letter word that starts with

37:36

F. So he did pass. Yeah. You know what?

37:38

You're right. But, but the Congressman, what

37:40

bothers me the most is that he's

37:43

not getting, meaning Joe Biden, meaning Kamala

37:45

Harris, meeting yourself and so many others

37:47

that were involved in this bill, you're

37:49

just not getting the credit for it.

37:51

And if you would, I just want

37:53

to unpack a few things here that

37:55

I pulled off of the White House's

37:58

report onto it. The most. Congress

40:01

or just the average citizen who is a

40:03

staunch Republican? How is it that

40:06

you can't agree that this bill

40:09

is beneficial to all Americans?

40:12

Well, part of it, Michael, is that Donald

40:14

Trump's against it, and so Republicans genuflect to

40:16

Donald Trump. They genuflect to him

40:18

in all so many ways, including the bipartisan,

40:20

and it was 16, I think, or 17

40:23

Republican senators on the bipartisan

40:25

infrastructure bill. That's

40:27

a bill that nobody should have been against.

40:29

It was traditionally the infrastructure's

40:32

a bipartisan situation. Everybody uses roads

40:34

and bridges and airports and river

40:37

ports and ocean ports, and everybody uses

40:39

transit, and everybody, a lot of people

40:41

use Amtrak, etc. And that

40:43

should have been a no brainer, and

40:45

it creates jobs, good middle class jobs.

40:48

And yet people didn't get behind it. There

40:50

were only, I think, 13 Republicans who voted

40:52

for it. Every one of them

40:54

should have voted for it, and it was just

40:57

a shame. And the bill back better, well, there

40:59

were a lot of things in there that shows

41:01

the Republicans are a greedy party. They are the

41:03

party of the rich. That's 85 or 88 percent

41:06

of the benefit of the tax scam went

41:08

to the upper one percent, and that's who

41:10

they genuflect to. They say, you

41:12

know, so when you get a bill that helps the middle class, a

41:16

lot of these people are evangelical Christians and

41:18

be it, you know, it shouldn't be for a Jew to tell

41:22

evangelical Christians about the Bible.

41:24

But the New Testament in Matthew says

41:26

you see somebody naked, you clothe them.

41:28

You see somebody hungry, you feed them.

41:31

You take care of people that

41:33

have problems, and that's all

41:35

through somebody's ill,

41:37

you heal them. That's

41:40

what this bill back better bill did.

41:42

It gave people the chance to be,

41:44

you have a chance not to

41:46

be hungry, not to be in the

41:48

cold, to have housing. Housing

41:52

is a fundamental. It's

41:55

at least with all of your day of Christian

41:57

values is what this bill back better bill was

41:59

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46:41

The infrastructure bill will give us

46:43

the financing in order to get

46:46

this thing started. Why do we

46:48

have to wait till, God forbid,

46:50

the bridge falls down and people's

46:52

lives become lost simply because we're

46:54

being reactionary? That to me is

46:57

stupid. And I don't understand, again,

46:59

how people can fight. I'm both like,

47:02

OK, fine. You don't like

47:04

this specific section there giving, I

47:06

don't know, health care to illegal

47:10

immigrants. For some reason, they're,

47:12

you know, all of a sudden,

47:14

this couple of million dollars for them is

47:16

like the red

47:18

line in the sand that they have

47:20

to draw. Just infrastructural loan, they should

47:23

be all on board because each and

47:25

every state is going to benefit from

47:27

it. Our roads here in New York

47:29

look like Afghanistan. Looks

47:32

like somebody blew up half the roads. There's

47:35

not a day that goes by that

47:37

I'm driving that I don't

47:39

see a car broken down or more

47:41

than one on

47:43

the highway simply because they have flat

47:45

tires. And why they have

47:48

flat tires? Because the concrete is exposed

47:50

and there's rebar underneath and the

47:53

rebar shreds the tire. And

47:55

so the car, of course, has a blowout that's stuck on

47:57

the side of the road. Why?

48:00

What do you mean with the United States

48:02

of America? Michael, there are two different bills

48:04

and the infrastructure bill, I think it did

48:06

have 13 Republicans in the House, I

48:08

think 16 in the Senate, but that was a minimal

48:10

amount and everyone should have voted for that. No

48:13

question. And on the bill

48:15

back better, we had no

48:17

Republicans at all. And that

48:19

was just the greed factor. And

48:22

there were some things in the bill I didn't care for

48:24

either. To be honest, I didn't care for the section that

48:27

lifted the state and local tax level

48:29

from $10,000 up to $80,000. I

48:33

think the Senate will deal with that. It'll give

48:35

a lot of millionaires a tremendous tax advantage that

48:38

they shouldn't have had in a bill. And

48:40

it was a mistake, I think, but we had to get God on

48:42

his boat from New Jersey. And

48:44

there's a couple of people from New York, Swazi

48:48

over, I think he's got part of Long Island. They

48:51

both insisted on those sections to build. And I guess at the

48:54

$80,000 limit. Well

48:56

I thought about joining Jared Golden, who's very

48:58

conservative and voted against the bill, the only

49:01

Democrats to do it because of that fact.

49:03

But I realized bills are

49:06

passed with compromise. And if you get down there

49:08

and you consider yourself Muhammad

49:10

or Gandhi or

49:13

Jesus and everything has to

49:15

be exactly the way you say and you're perfect, you're

49:17

not going to ever pass legislation. You've got

49:19

to accept Nancy Pelosi had to accept things to

49:21

put together the votes and she did it. The

49:24

Senate will cure that, I think, and they will limit it to

49:26

maybe people's incomes of $500,000 or less. Whatever

49:30

level they come to will be an improvement. I didn't care

49:32

for that. There were some other things the bill didn't care

49:34

for. But you know,

49:36

it's like an impressionist piece of art.

49:40

It does not exactly the picture, but it

49:42

all comes together and that impressionist thing is

49:44

what you vote for. And that's

49:46

what you have to have to get a

49:48

majority, especially when you have no Republicans. So

49:50

for the Republicans to bitch is ridiculous. The

49:52

other ones that caused us to have to

49:54

accept some things we otherwise wouldn't because we

49:56

didn't have any of them. We had a

49:58

three vote margin and that was just Ron

50:00

Pelosi did a great job. The job gets

50:02

passed. She is. I thought about this today.

50:04

I did some buttons after the Affordable Care

50:06

Act was passed. And it was about three

50:08

years afterwards. It was an anniversary. And I

50:10

got these buttons with Nancy's picture on them,

50:13

and it said Pelosi Care. And

50:15

it really was Pelosi Care. She did more

50:17

to get that bill passed than the president

50:20

did than anybody else. And

50:22

I thought I should get some buttons printed and

50:24

pass them out up there next week to say

50:26

the goat. You know what the

50:28

goat is, Michael? No, I don't.

50:30

For that reason, I probably shouldn't do it, because

50:32

people think it was something different. The goat is

50:35

an acronym for the greatest of all time. And

50:38

Muhammad Ali, there's a big kitchen table

50:40

or living room table, whatever it is,

50:43

book that was done called The Goat

50:45

of Muhammad Ali. The first goat, I

50:47

think, was a fellow whose name I

50:50

cannot recall. But he was maybe

50:52

the most famous playground ball

50:55

player up in Harlem, or maybe

50:57

down there at the, I think it was in Harlem.

50:59

I don't think it was the fort down there in

51:01

the village. But he was a great basketball

51:03

player, and they called him The Goat, the greatest

51:05

of all time. Mickey Mantle was

51:07

the goat. Willie Mays was the goat. Sandy

51:09

Copax was the goat. Nancy Pelosi's the goat.

51:12

John Lewis was a goat. So

51:15

Congressman, let me ask you this. For

51:17

my listeners, the January 6th

51:20

committee, it's a

51:22

crucial step towards uncovering the truth

51:24

about one of the darkest days

51:26

in recent American history. But

51:29

there is also a real worry

51:31

that the people who are

51:34

most responsible, mainly Donald Trump

51:36

and his cast of criminal

51:39

toadies, will escape real accountability.

51:42

Now, beyond creating something that

51:44

will stand the test of time

51:46

and become the definitive account of

51:48

what happened, is it

51:50

your hope that if criminality,

51:52

mainly sedition or incitement of

51:54

an insurrection are uncovered, that

51:57

these people will ultimately face

51:59

a judge in a. Yuri, they should face

52:01

a judge or jury. There's no up.

52:04

Privilege. For them, after their President there's

52:06

there's no. Attorney. General Sub Office

52:08

of Legal Counsel Opinion that you can

52:10

a diverse sitting presidents which was as

52:13

you can and died and not sitting

52:15

president. And. All these

52:17

individuals that are be have been charged with crimes

52:19

for it. In. Beta Kappa with

52:21

fighting and just displacing objects

52:23

and you name it, They.

52:26

Deserve the prosecution. When.

52:28

She takes the but for rule. And

52:30

another as of Buffalo rulebook gonna have

52:33

a possible. For any

52:35

those people, any individual assessing would have

52:37

gone on. Each of

52:39

those if is none of those individuals

52:42

work risk possible for the activities on

52:44

January Six. Foot.

52:46

Four down from there would not have

52:49

been anything on January six. He is

52:51

the main criminal. Book. Cause he was.

52:53

The. Beginning the continue wife says he

52:56

caused it to happen but for him

52:58

it wouldn't have happened. What's.

53:00

Wrong individuals including the Sharman with

53:02

his you know, Public.

53:04

Expose This. Well

53:08

as. Know that. So.

53:10

Trump's to be should be charged as to

53:12

defend himself in a court of law and

53:14

Sosa Giuliani and Up Bannon and all the

53:17

creatures that were that for golf and most

53:19

of the will or hotel I were planning

53:21

and on that day they do exactly was

53:23

going to happen. What do you mean would

53:25

you say you're not going to have a

53:27

country if you don't fight like hell what

53:29

do you mean would you Leon He says

53:31

work at trial by combat and when a

53:33

phantom maybe says the day before it's gonna

53:36

be while and see how going to be

53:38

crazy. Fan. Duel was going to

53:40

happen and they planned it so they

53:42

they should be prosecuted. Just like Aaron

53:44

Burr. Ah, he's a traitor and

53:46

and a treason as person in any

53:48

have some I trust overthrow. The government

53:51

was never an oppressed. it needs to

53:53

be investigates. Merrick Garland should have a

53:55

special counsel office if the Democrats lose

53:57

the house. Republicans will him.

54:00

The investigation and they will not be

54:02

an answer advantage different a run out

54:04

amongst the that are primed to justify

54:06

as others. So. The time that

54:08

he thinks the Republicans will get the gal

54:10

it Kevin Mccarthy and Jim Jordan jump over

54:12

each other cause they don't want to have

54:15

a spider and they both knew was going

54:17

on and they know Kevin Mccarthy that com

54:19

O R. And. Chief up he

54:21

called down from to call them all. He.

54:24

Knew what was happening, And Jim Jordan

54:26

did too. George called of several class they

54:28

do exactly what was going on and truck

54:30

let it occur and money go on for

54:32

hours and hours and hours. Because

54:34

he's a megalomaniac narcissistic

54:36

such as oh, I'm

54:39

not going to go to the Be. Right when

54:42

the me as he must not let me

54:44

ask you this Congressman or ice because I

54:46

was gonna say the exact same thing", said

54:48

you. Where. Is Merrick Garland in

54:51

all of the Spirit documents? No

54:53

doubt in my mind that there

54:55

were documents on that could easily

54:57

prove. That. All of these

54:59

tests of toadies were responsible for

55:02

the January Six insurrection. No one

55:04

person you didn't mention his Donald

55:06

Trump of course himself telling all

55:08

of the people that would. They're

55:10

right on through the microphone. I'll.

55:13

See you over there now Of

55:15

course Donald been go there because

55:17

he says he's a he's a

55:19

coward. He wasn't going to the

55:21

capital but he wanted everybody else

55:23

to go and so by telling

55:25

them I will see you there

55:28

he was directing them. And folks

55:30

I talk about how Donald Trump

55:32

talks like a mob boss. He

55:34

doesn't say I want everybody to

55:36

go over there. I want you

55:38

tough rested capital. Try to get

55:40

a hold of Nancy Pelosi and

55:42

killer. Split a hold of Mike Pence

55:45

and and the Monday Gallo that's been built

55:47

right here in front of the capital. To

55:49

stop and say that because looks as stupid

55:51

as he is, he's not that stupid. But.

55:54

Wonder the things that we know is

55:56

he came straight out and sets I

55:58

will see you there. He said, I'll walk

56:00

with you to the Capitol. And he said, if

56:03

you don't fight like hell, you won't have a

56:05

country. And what he meant was to white people,

56:07

you'll have a country that you'll have to inhabit

56:10

with African-Americans and Puerto Ricans and

56:13

Mexicans and Jews and gays and

56:15

everything, but with the white evangelical

56:17

Christian crowd thinks it should be

56:19

in charge. Unbelievable.

56:22

I mean, it's unbelievable. The fact

56:24

that we could even, Congressman have

56:26

this type of a conversation that

56:28

the president of the United States

56:30

really truly believes in white supremacy,

56:32

that he believes in white privilege.

56:35

It's really stunning that this is the

56:37

21st century. I

56:40

mean, you would think that he should have

56:42

been around three,

56:44

400 years ago because

56:46

his ideology is so,

56:50

it's so passe. And

56:53

he deluded. There was a time when I thought

56:55

he was just using these people and

56:57

he did use them. He was able

56:59

to hit upon a spot

57:01

in America and take advantage of it.

57:04

Like there were other people in history,

57:06

Billy Sunday way back in the twenties.

57:08

And then there were politicians that were

57:10

George Wallace in the sixties and early

57:12

seventies to hit on that angry mob

57:15

group of people, angry middle-class white people

57:17

that thought that blacks were taking something

57:19

from him and it was a racial

57:22

basis to it. But you know, when

57:24

you realize that his father was

57:27

a sighted at a Ku Klux

57:29

Klan rally in the twenties, and

57:31

that's a fact. I don't know that he was convicted. I

57:33

think they let those people go, but he was one of

57:35

the people at the rides. And

57:37

I think he was sighted with a misdemeanor citation. When

57:40

you know that Woody Guthrie,

57:42

the great folk singer wrote a

57:44

song around 1950 called

57:47

Old Man Trump. It was about

57:49

him not allowing African-Americans to get

57:51

into his apartment buildings that he

57:53

had. I mean, Woody

57:55

Guthrie recognized his father as a racist in

57:58

a bigot in the song Old Man. Trump

58:00

in the 50s. Apple did

58:02

not fall far from the tree. Yeah,

58:04

that's certainly for sure. But, Congressman,

58:07

after the election in Virginia, many

58:09

of us, I mean,

58:11

many of us are really worried

58:13

about the midterm elections. The idea

58:15

that the lunatics could take over

58:18

the asylum and regain the majority,

58:20

to me, is terrifying. And you

58:22

already brought up one of the

58:24

points, which would be that the

58:26

January 6th committee would, in my

58:29

belief, if they took it over

58:31

immediately, would be disbanded. What

58:34

are the Democrats doing to make sure that

58:36

this doesn't happen? We're doing all we can,

58:38

but it's a terrible situation, Michael. I mean,

58:40

we're trying to, we passed what we think

58:42

is good legislation. We know it's good legislation

58:44

for a middle class. And you get

58:46

the word out to them with every congressperson

58:49

in the Democratic caucus, encouraged

58:51

by the leadership to go out and make

58:53

five appearances a

58:55

week to let

58:57

the people know where we'll improve the

58:59

infrastructure and improve their lives. We're

59:02

trying to get the message out. We're

59:05

raising money. We've got

59:07

candidates that we know are in the

59:10

triggers, are the trigger, the

59:13

hairs of the opposition. We call

59:15

them front line members, and we're concentrating on

59:17

those folks in the congress to elect them.

59:20

So we're doing what we can do, and we've

59:22

got different people working on it as well.

59:24

The problem is this year, the

59:27

redistricting has been done in a

59:30

very poor way, and I'm sure Democrats have done it

59:32

in Illinois as well, but they're

59:35

less states with Democratic governors and Democratic

59:37

majorities than Republican states, and

59:39

they have redistricted several people out of

59:41

their seats, Democrats. In North Carolina, G.K.

59:44

Butterfield retired because this seat was going

59:46

to be difficult to hold.

59:50

There's a couple of folks that have seen

59:52

the same situation. In Tennessee, I think we're

59:54

going to lose Jim Cooper. They're going to

59:56

root District Nashville into three different Republican seats

59:58

rather than one Democratic seat. just make

1:00:00

dash for part of otherwise moral seats.

1:00:03

Texas has got that situation. They're going to create

1:00:06

a couple extra seats for redistricting. And there's not

1:00:08

much you can do about it unless

1:00:10

you have a Voting Rights Act. And because of

1:00:12

the filibuster, we're not able to pass the Voting

1:00:14

Rights Act and get pre-clearance

1:00:16

requirements, which were in the original

1:00:19

Voting Rights Act, passed bipartisan, more

1:00:21

percentage of Republicans than Democrats back

1:00:24

when it passed originally. But

1:00:27

it's scary as hell to think that they would

1:00:29

come in and think of who, if Trump's the

1:00:31

president, who will he appoint as Attorney General? And

1:00:34

they will arrest people at will

1:00:36

for all kind of ridiculous

1:00:38

things. And people will commit crimes because

1:00:40

they'll know that they'll get pardoned. You

1:00:43

know, he pardoned Flynn. He pardoned

1:00:45

for lying to the FBI. He

1:00:47

pardoned, what's the guy that wears

1:00:49

the hats that they do? Roger

1:00:52

Stone? Roger Stone. He pardoned him. And

1:00:55

they just, flaunted the

1:00:57

judicial process, the rule of

1:00:59

law. You know,

1:01:01

it's scary what would happen if it

1:01:04

was a second Trump term. And they

1:01:06

wouldn't even try to hide the grifting

1:01:08

because he wouldn't be seeking a third term. But,

1:01:10

you know, this is not going

1:01:12

to happen. But it's scary.

1:01:14

And it's scary to think of the Republicans

1:01:16

being in control of the House. What

1:01:19

they would do that we get nothing done. If they get the

1:01:21

Senate too, Biden's stifled and we have

1:01:23

no progress. And then it'll be more likely

1:01:25

than not that the Republican has a better

1:01:27

chance to win in 2024. So

1:01:31

it's a scary proposition. And I think that's

1:01:33

one of the reasons some of the Democrats

1:01:35

are not running for re-election. Not so

1:01:37

much that they think we're going to lose the House, although

1:01:39

historically the party in power loses

1:01:42

in the first midterm election. And

1:01:45

you've got this redistricting, which comes about

1:01:47

with the census and the

1:01:49

new laws that the Republicans are passing to

1:01:52

put legislators, not election commissions, in charge of

1:01:54

the final results, which sets up a situation

1:01:56

for them to try to throw the thing

1:01:58

into the House with. they'd have the majority

1:02:01

of districts that they did last time, the majority of

1:02:03

states. People

1:02:05

don't want to see that. And I'm going to run

1:02:07

for re-election, but to be honest, Michael, it's a tough

1:02:09

thing to do. I think it

1:02:11

will be a horror

1:02:14

chamber to be there with the Republicans in charge

1:02:16

if they are in charge. And

1:02:18

they very well might be in charge. And

1:02:20

I don't know if you know, there was a

1:02:23

movie with Alan Bates in it back

1:02:26

in the late 60s, early 70s. What was

1:02:28

it called? The King of Hearts. And

1:02:30

it was about a war. And

1:02:34

the insane asylum was

1:02:36

a city that had an insane asylum. And the

1:02:38

people in the insane asylum were the only people

1:02:40

left after the war. And you

1:02:42

get down to it, the people in the insane

1:02:44

asylum were the only sane people because the

1:02:46

people committing the war crimes and engaged

1:02:49

in war were crazy. You think about war.

1:02:51

What's it worth? You know, who was that

1:02:53

group? What war? What's it

1:02:55

worth? Absolutely nothing. And

1:02:58

it is, people engage in that. And

1:03:01

what you'd have with the Republicans is like

1:03:03

war. And those people

1:03:05

are at cultural wars. And

1:03:08

it would be the idea of due

1:03:10

process, the idea of personal freedoms.

1:03:13

The Constitution would certainly be at risk. So

1:03:16

Congressman, let me then throw this idea to

1:03:18

you. One of the biggest problems that I

1:03:20

always see with Democrats and the whole Democratic

1:03:22

Party, and I've been a Democrat despite what

1:03:24

people think about me because there's

1:03:26

so much misinformation and disinformation. I've been

1:03:28

a Democrat my entire life. And

1:03:31

I go back to 1987 when

1:03:33

I worked for Congressman Joe Mowgli in

1:03:35

the Ways and Means, and I was working on the Safe

1:03:38

Cigarette Act for him for a year and a half. That

1:03:41

was around the time, of course, that

1:03:43

Dukakis decided to run for the president.

1:03:45

But Democrats have always been poor when

1:03:48

it comes to messaging. And

1:03:50

that's something that the Republicans, and

1:03:52

especially Trump, excel at,

1:03:56

is the messaging. Despite the fact

1:03:58

that the message that they're promoting. is

1:04:00

a lie, right? That doesn't matter. They're

1:04:02

just effective in getting the messaging out.

1:04:05

I mean, Trump uses the media. I

1:04:07

know because I was part of that

1:04:09

usage of the media. Democrats

1:04:12

must do the same. They

1:04:14

must go ahead and they have

1:04:16

to start now talking and creating

1:04:18

these, almost like the way the

1:04:20

Republicans have the CPAC, right? They

1:04:22

need a D-PAC. And you need

1:04:24

to fill the place up, not

1:04:26

just with the usual faces, but

1:04:28

there are people like myself that

1:04:30

have a massive, massive following,

1:04:33

whether it's on Twitter, whether

1:04:35

it's on Facebook, social media,

1:04:38

the podcast, right? There are

1:04:40

people that are out there,

1:04:42

A.J. Delgado, Scaramucci, that Amorosa,

1:04:44

Rosie O'Donnell, you got the Micellas

1:04:46

brothers from Midas Touch. You have

1:04:48

so many people that are out

1:04:50

there. Malcolm Nance, you

1:04:52

have, I mean, Lawrence Tribe. There

1:04:54

are people with really large numbers

1:04:56

of followers. You got to put

1:04:58

them all in there, make it

1:05:00

into an event and just

1:05:03

constantly hit. I would like

1:05:05

to see 20 different people

1:05:07

with large support system out

1:05:09

there promoting, right? Congressman Steve

1:05:11

Cohen for his upcoming reelection.

1:05:13

You should never be losing

1:05:16

your seat, right? Not when

1:05:18

the Republican is running as

1:05:20

a Trump Republican, a man

1:05:23

who wants to shred our

1:05:25

democracy, who wants to destroy

1:05:27

our constitution, our way of

1:05:29

life, all in search and

1:05:32

seek of power. And

1:05:34

the power is for him and his

1:05:37

family. And that's just not America. No,

1:05:40

it's not, Michael. And when you said that they lie, they

1:05:42

do lie and they don't care about

1:05:44

it, and that's an advantage they have. The Democrats, you

1:05:48

know, I'm not going to say the Democrats don't sometimes kind

1:05:51

of go around the edge

1:05:53

of the truth and kind of get on the

1:05:55

fringes or something. You know, Linda Johnson, you say,

1:05:57

I'm not going to lie to you. My kids.

1:06:00

educated too, but that's not just

1:06:02

how plays a lie like Trump

1:06:04

and the Republicans. And their people

1:06:06

got heated up and they've got, you know,

1:06:08

he says, I like the less educated, that's

1:06:11

what Trump says. Yeah, because they'll buy his lies.

1:06:14

They won't question it. And so they've got an

1:06:16

advantage there, but you're right about putting together a

1:06:18

group of people, as you mentioned, some of those

1:06:20

folks. And the person who I think is our

1:06:22

best communicator is Al Franken. I

1:06:25

think Al Franken, who does have, I

1:06:27

think a podcast or something online, he

1:06:30

does. He's brilliant and he

1:06:32

can tear Trump apart and can every time he

1:06:34

tries. And I tell you,

1:06:36

who else is good is Obermann. Keith

1:06:38

Obermann has got a lesser platform,

1:06:40

but Keith Obermann is brilliant. And he can,

1:06:43

the worst person in the world. Congressman,

1:06:46

you're preaching what I'm just stating, which

1:06:49

is that the Democrats have to put

1:06:51

on the gloves. You

1:06:53

know, yes, I know the Bible always says

1:06:55

turn the other cheek, turn the cheek. We

1:06:57

can't afford to turn the other cheek. We

1:06:59

have to be the ones that are out

1:07:01

there punching and hitting hard and not, not

1:07:03

into the gut, I'm talking about square into

1:07:05

the middle of Trump's fat face. Right. You

1:07:07

got to put them on his ass. You

1:07:09

got to put the whole group of them.

1:07:11

You got to put them down. This is

1:07:13

exactly what you do to an animal. That's

1:07:16

sick, right? You need to put them

1:07:18

down. The guy is rabid and he needs

1:07:20

to be put down. And if the Democrats

1:07:22

don't start getting, they don't start getting tougher.

1:07:25

People are seeing them the wrong way.

1:07:27

And it's why even this build back

1:07:29

better bill isn't getting the attention and,

1:07:32

and Biden is not getting the lift

1:07:34

for doing really a truly remarkable thing

1:07:36

in such a short period of time.

1:07:39

But you're right. And there's no question about it.

1:07:41

We need to do better or messaging and,

1:07:43

and we need to go after him. Um,

1:07:47

you can't beat a bully by being the

1:07:50

nice guy and we're too

1:07:52

much the nice guy. Too many times. I

1:07:54

sent a letter to attorney general, Merrick Garland, and

1:07:58

I think Merrick Garland is a. He's

1:08:00

a good human being, but

1:08:02

I don't think he's in the right position.

1:08:04

He was in the right position when he

1:08:06

was the judge on the Court of Appeals,

1:08:09

and he'd have been an okay person on

1:08:11

the Supreme Court. The reason President

1:08:13

Obama nominated him for the Supreme Court, when they

1:08:15

wouldn't give him a vote when they should have,

1:08:17

and it was in the best of a Supreme

1:08:20

Court seat, was because President

1:08:22

Obama knew Merrick Garland was kind

1:08:24

of an even-balanced, even-tempered guy who listened

1:08:26

to the arguments, and he was

1:08:28

– he's a Democrat. He

1:08:31

tends to do the right thing, but he's

1:08:34

not out there on a limb, and

1:08:36

he thought the Republicans might accept him

1:08:38

as a Supreme Court nomination.

1:08:42

That's the reason he was nominated, and he

1:08:44

wasn't accepted. In the Attorney General's

1:08:46

office, you need a fighter. You

1:08:49

need somebody to fight for the country,

1:08:51

and I don't see Judge Garland doing

1:08:54

that. He's a judge who's deliberate and

1:08:56

listens to both sides and listens to

1:08:58

the President and tries to do things

1:09:02

in a very gradual way. We're

1:09:04

not in that time period in

1:09:06

our history. We are at a

1:09:09

very scary moment when we can lose

1:09:11

democracy and everything that the previous 250

1:09:15

years of American policies

1:09:18

and judge decisions are at

1:09:20

stake. The Founding Fathers work

1:09:22

at stake, and a lot

1:09:24

of people still – we need – but

1:09:27

it's just unfortunate, but I wrote that letter. Another

1:09:29

letter I wrote, which I know you're interested in, and we

1:09:31

haven't talked about – and this is the news to you – I

1:09:34

wrote a letter today with 17 co-signatories

1:09:38

to the President to encourage him to expand

1:09:40

his commutation list for people

1:09:42

who were given house arrests during the

1:09:45

COVID crisis. There

1:09:47

were house arrest issues for people who were

1:09:49

incarcerated, so they wouldn't

1:09:51

be in jeopardy of getting COVID

1:09:56

And allowed to go home. They were vetted and they went

1:09:59

home. When. I was

1:10:01

arrested and they didn't commit crimes and they basically

1:10:03

pass the test. And. In

1:10:05

my opinion with the prisons are overcrowded

1:10:07

they should be get commutation. Now with

1:10:09

the president did he offer that opportunity.

1:10:11

Only the people who had drug offenses

1:10:13

up in a strong supporter my entire

1:10:15

career go back states and it stays

1:10:17

in my taste has a police of

1:10:19

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1:10:22

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1:10:24

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1:10:35

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1:10:37

out there. Victimless crimes with their other

1:10:39

people, victimless crimes that didn't involve drugs

1:10:41

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1:10:43

were prison political prisoner but they're people

1:10:46

are dead victimless crimes and other was

1:10:48

good records of also should be center

1:10:50

for coffee tastes. It's. My

1:10:52

understanding and I don't know this from

1:10:54

a source that comes. They claim to

1:10:56

have information from the White House outer

1:10:58

of they do without. But. They say

1:11:01

that there are two thousand or so

1:11:03

people in that category who were released.

1:11:05

For. House Arrest you had drug offenses and

1:11:07

the one house only plans to release two

1:11:09

hundred up. Our going to

1:11:11

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1:11:13

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1:11:16

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1:11:18

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1:11:20

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1:11:22

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1:11:24

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1:11:42

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1:11:47

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1:11:49

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en dos oras umenos. the yeah

1:14:10

you know like right now today of course

1:14:12

you may have heard I am now officially

1:14:14

off of home confinement they ran me as

1:14:16

we say in prison door to door right

1:14:19

I got no benefit for my 400 plus

1:14:21

hours of testimony my continued cooperation

1:14:24

with the DA and the AG

1:14:27

and everything else in between but I do

1:14:29

also have which people are may or may

1:14:31

not be aware the judge

1:14:33

William H. Pauli the third also

1:14:35

gave me three years of supervised

1:14:38

release this is insane

1:14:40

I mean for what because the president

1:14:42

got his pecker pulled by a porn

1:14:44

star and I did an NDA I

1:14:46

mean this is out of control and

1:14:49

you you congressman were good enough to

1:14:51

actually ask Merrick Garland during the hearing

1:14:53

I'm of Merrick Garland when you

1:14:55

turn around and you said to him I Michael

1:14:58

Cohen has a felony on his record

1:15:01

spent time in prison for paying it

1:15:03

the direction of President Trump hush money

1:15:05

to Stormy Daniels and another woman by

1:15:07

the way I want people to know

1:15:09

I never paid for Karen

1:15:11

McDougal and for some unknown reason

1:15:13

judge Pauli who knew this and

1:15:15

the prosecutors who knew this didn't

1:15:17

care it was all it's not

1:15:19

about prosecution for the Southern District

1:15:22

of New York amenities process it's

1:15:24

about conviction and that's something that

1:15:26

judge Jed Raycoff penned an amazing

1:15:28

article in like 2014 in

1:15:31

talking why innocent people plead guilty but

1:15:33

you also then further go and say

1:15:35

I believe that it's pretty well known

1:15:38

that President Trump was individual number one

1:15:40

as described in the indictment he couldn't

1:15:42

be indicted because the Department of Justice

1:15:44

policy you don't indict a sitting president

1:15:47

he's no longer president say he's no

1:15:50

longer sitting president and do you believe

1:15:52

that not looking into indicting individual number

1:15:54

one equally if not more guilty than

1:15:56

Michael Cohen is not an abuse of

1:15:58

equal protection under the law and an

1:16:01

abrogation of the idea that the rule

1:16:03

of law is principle. By

1:16:05

the way, forgetting about the fact that it's me, and

1:16:07

of course I can't because it is

1:16:09

me, it's a hundred

1:16:12

percent true. Not only did

1:16:14

the Southern District not proceed

1:16:16

with sealed indictments that they

1:16:18

had against Trump, Don Jr.,

1:16:21

Ivanka, Jared, Eric Trump, Allen

1:16:23

Weisselberg, and a multitude.

1:16:25

There were 12. They turned

1:16:27

around and they stated we don't have enough information

1:16:29

in order to prosecute.

1:16:31

Well, that's interesting because you

1:16:34

prosecuted me for it. And

1:16:37

so the other charges, which were

1:16:39

tax issues, which by the way,

1:16:41

I have never in my life

1:16:43

ever not paid taxes. I've never

1:16:45

even filed a late tax return.

1:16:47

I've never asked for an extension.

1:16:49

I've never not paid tax. I've

1:16:51

never had, like Paul Manafort did,

1:16:53

overseas bank accounts or nominees. I'm

1:16:55

a first time first time offender

1:16:57

and I paid the

1:16:59

tax issue before sentencing and none

1:17:01

of this helped me. And now

1:17:03

for another three years, I still

1:17:05

have to be monitored. Now it's

1:17:08

nothing like this home confinement nonsense. But

1:17:11

why should I, why should

1:17:13

I be inconvenienced? One iota

1:17:15

when Donald Trump, Don Jr.,

1:17:17

Eric Ivanka, right, Allen Weisselberg,

1:17:19

and so many others are

1:17:22

walking around unscathed. Michael,

1:17:24

you're exactly right. And

1:17:27

they should be indicted and

1:17:29

they should suffer for the

1:17:32

injustice that they got involved. That

1:17:35

was, he basically won the election by

1:17:37

getting Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal not to

1:17:39

tell their stories. If they would have told

1:17:42

their stories, I suspect he would have been

1:17:45

a loser in that election.

1:17:47

And that's one of the reasons

1:17:49

he was the illegitimate president. Plus,

1:17:51

the Russians did get involved in

1:17:53

manipulating the certain states that

1:17:55

they were given information through Corrick,

1:17:59

what was his name? was the campaign

1:18:01

manager. Cory Lewandowski, it was Cory Lewandowski

1:18:03

as well. Well, it wasn't Cory at

1:18:06

that time. It was Steve Bannon,

1:18:08

but it was Jared and Cambridge

1:18:11

Analytica with- The campaign manager. We

1:18:13

indicted him too when he got

1:18:15

off. It wasn't with all the

1:18:17

fancy suits and spent all the money on the

1:18:19

absurd thing. Paul Manafort. Manafort

1:18:22

got the information to one of the Russian

1:18:24

guys. There's no question they gave him

1:18:26

the areas to concentrate on.

1:18:28

That's why he became president. But you

1:18:30

were a political prisoner. And

1:18:32

it's really a shame that you spent three years in

1:18:35

it. When you try to talk

1:18:37

about your book, and that's when they popped

1:18:39

you back in the slammer again, it was

1:18:41

just like something Putin would have done. It

1:18:43

was just trying to limit your free speech.

1:18:45

And that's why they put you back and

1:18:47

they put you in solitary confinement. Unfortunately, a

1:18:49

judge let you out, which was the right

1:18:51

thing to do. But your situation is really

1:18:53

a crime, an extension, and a stain on

1:18:55

American justice. It continues to be. And then

1:18:57

my letter to Mayor Garland that I wrote

1:18:59

this week to him, I asked him to

1:19:02

act not just for the betterment for the

1:19:04

country, but in other cases. And to

1:19:06

take a firm stand and to go

1:19:08

up against Trump. His answer

1:19:11

to my question at the hearing was, we can't

1:19:13

discuss its policy, what we are going to indict,

1:19:15

or what cases we're looking at. There's

1:19:17

not much of an answer you can give to

1:19:19

that because I understand it. We just got to

1:19:22

hope that he's looking and bringing actions against Trump

1:19:24

and the stuff you want. Well, with your help,

1:19:26

I'm sure that it'll move further. But I also

1:19:28

heard, Congressman, that Mark Meadows the other day floated

1:19:31

the idea that the GOP would

1:19:33

kick Kevin McCarthy to the curb should

1:19:35

the GOP flip the house and make

1:19:37

Trump the house speaker. I saw this

1:19:39

on television. Honestly, I heard about

1:19:42

this conversation going on, but I didn't

1:19:44

think it was going to actually hit

1:19:46

the media outlet. Apparently, one does not

1:19:48

need to be an elected representative to

1:19:50

be made speaker. Discuss this with me.

1:19:52

Do you think that first of all,

1:19:55

do you think that would happen? Do

1:19:57

you think Donald would even accept the

1:19:59

wrong thing? Oh, a speaker. Well,

1:20:01

it can happen. You don't have to be a

1:20:04

member of the house. We're an elected individual to

1:20:06

be elected speaker. The majority does that. And,

1:20:08

and the Republicans are, are genuflecting and lackeys

1:20:10

to Trump. They could do it and it'd

1:20:12

be a way for him to have immense

1:20:14

power. Cause the speaker of the house has

1:20:17

immense power without having to run for election.

1:20:20

And he could continue to grift and

1:20:22

have power and sit there and pontificate

1:20:24

and whatever. I don't know that, but

1:20:26

the Republicans can do it. And

1:20:29

it would be disaster for the country. It

1:20:31

would be disaster. Yeah. I

1:20:33

don't personally, I don't think he would even accept

1:20:35

the job though. Of course he would turn around

1:20:37

and say, Oh, of course, of course. I don't

1:20:40

think he would because obviously it's

1:20:42

kind of like a president then

1:20:45

becoming a mayor of the city, right? Or

1:20:47

a governor. It just, it's, it's beneath

1:20:49

the office that he held. And if he's going

1:20:52

to continue to grift off the notion that he's

1:20:54

going to run for the presidency in 2024. I

1:20:57

don't think being speaker of the house, uh,

1:21:00

is going to help him because he

1:21:02

would be completely ineffective the same way

1:21:04

that Kevin McCarthy is ineffective. He would

1:21:07

be the same, but let me ask

1:21:09

you this then last week in regard

1:21:11

to Russia, you wrote the following and

1:21:13

I quote, if Putin remains

1:21:15

in power beyond may of 2024, the

1:21:17

U S should refuse

1:21:20

to recognize him as president of Russia.

1:21:22

We should not recognize an

1:21:25

autocrat violating term limits, rigging

1:21:27

elections and abusing human rights.

1:21:30

If you would unpack this for me and my

1:21:32

listeners, if you could, and do

1:21:35

you not find the irony that we're

1:21:37

facing similar issues from our own former

1:21:39

president as well? It is difficult. I'm

1:21:41

with the co-chair, the co-chair of the

1:21:44

Helsinki commission, which is organization

1:21:46

for security and cooperation in Europe formed

1:21:48

in the 19 middle seventies

1:21:51

at the Helsinki conference.

1:21:53

And it's to look out for human rights

1:21:55

and freedom of elections, freedom

1:21:58

of the press and non-government. organizations being

1:22:00

treated properly, et cetera. Putin

1:22:04

changed the constitution, had it changed with the

1:22:07

constitutional amendment that was done in an irregular

1:22:09

fashion that was an illegal fashion. And

1:22:12

so he wants to remain in power for another two

1:22:14

terms after 2024. He

1:22:16

would have run Russia basically for 20 years. He

1:22:19

wants to run it till he dies. He and

1:22:21

Trump are so much alike. And it is scary. And

1:22:24

when I speak at that Helsinki Commission meetings

1:22:26

about the rule of law, and

1:22:29

I realized that we had some dances

1:22:31

with not having the rule of law

1:22:33

here in America. When I talk about

1:22:35

autocrats and

1:22:37

our opposition to autocrats. And

1:22:40

then I think about Trump who was a

1:22:42

one-by autocrat and if he elected, he would

1:22:44

totally be one, but he acted in his

1:22:46

own capacity and plotted the law constantly. In

1:22:48

fact, the first meeting we had was a

1:22:50

group of people. It was a cocktail reception

1:22:52

up on top of a building on Pennsylvania

1:22:55

Avenue. And I spoke and I looked out

1:22:57

and we were overlooking Trump Tower, our Trump

1:22:59

Hotel. And I said, no, what

1:23:01

better place could there be than Trump Hotel

1:23:03

where we've got our own autocrat and all

1:23:05

the autocrats going there and buying rooms. It's

1:23:08

scary. We've never had this situation before.

1:23:11

We are democracies in danger and we're doing a

1:23:14

lot of things. And that's why I don't know

1:23:16

what Putin had on Trump. I think it was

1:23:18

the fact that they did get

1:23:20

involved in the election with

1:23:23

social media and getting people to think a

1:23:25

certain way of helping influence voters and

1:23:27

who knows what else they did. But Trump

1:23:30

absolutely cowed before

1:23:32

Putin and Putin's

1:23:34

got something on him and

1:23:36

Trump owes him and

1:23:38

whatever it is, Trump would not allow anybody

1:23:40

else in those meetings. Trump

1:23:43

would not allow the notes from the meeting

1:23:45

to be distributed to the American

1:23:47

people. He tore them up and

1:23:50

the stenographers

1:23:52

work. There's something

1:23:54

really a foul with what went on with Trump

1:23:56

and Putin. And I understand

1:23:58

when Jared Kushner. Mnuchin,

1:24:00

I know for a fact, well,

1:24:03

I was in the Middle East last week and

1:24:06

I had an individual I spoke with

1:24:08

who worked with the American Embassy in, he

1:24:11

wasn't in the UAE, he was in the

1:24:15

Saudi Embassy, but he said

1:24:17

that when Mnuchin came and

1:24:20

spoke with the Crown

1:24:22

Prince, Mnuchin

1:24:24

didn't allow any embassy officials with him

1:24:27

at the time. So

1:24:29

what's he hiding from embassy officials? And

1:24:32

Jared Kushner, the same thing, they went out

1:24:34

on a boat with MBZ or whatever his

1:24:36

name is and they go on a boat

1:24:38

and had not have embassy personnel present. Every

1:24:41

president, every public official, when they

1:24:43

go overseas, embassy people are with

1:24:45

you to advise you and to

1:24:47

take notes. Something

1:24:49

not, not if you don't

1:24:51

want anybody to know what you're talking about.

1:24:53

It is very clear. Kushner

1:24:56

did it, you know,

1:24:58

Mnuchin did it. This is

1:25:00

all part of the grift. This

1:25:02

is, I mean, now you have,

1:25:04

Kushner has a billion, mega

1:25:07

billion dollar fund. Really big fund.

1:25:10

Two billion dollar fund and Mnuchin had a two

1:25:12

and a half billion dollar fund with the Saudi

1:25:14

royal family. They cashed in immediately. Yeah.

1:25:18

And it's amazing to me. Don't forget that

1:25:20

somebody came out of the blue Middle East,

1:25:22

I believe it was Qatar, run ahead and

1:25:24

they bailed him out of 666 Fifth

1:25:27

Avenue, the worst real estate deal

1:25:29

in the history of New York.

1:25:31

Jared Kushner trying to be a

1:25:33

big guy. And now what happens?

1:25:35

He goes ahead and

1:25:38

he puts together a real estate fund.

1:25:40

Look, if I wasn't looking to invest

1:25:42

in something, I certainly wouldn't be investing

1:25:44

in his fund. That's for sure. The

1:25:47

guy has no real solid real

1:25:49

estate knowledge. Yeah, his father built

1:25:51

a big business of, you know,

1:25:54

properties in New Jersey. And when

1:25:56

the father got into trouble and

1:25:58

was indicted and incarcerated. He took

1:26:00

over and that's when he decided he wanted

1:26:02

to be the big man, the big macher

1:26:04

on campus, ends up going to 666th

1:26:07

Avenue, worst deal in history, almost

1:26:09

puts the company and the family

1:26:12

in bankruptcy until they get bailed

1:26:14

out. Somebody really needs to step

1:26:16

up and start investigating this nonsense

1:26:19

because this guy was the senior

1:26:21

advisor to the dirtiest president

1:26:23

in the history of our country. And

1:26:25

yet there's no charges for

1:26:27

that. We're all the charges.

1:26:30

We're the special counsel. Where's Merrick

1:26:32

Garland on this? This is why

1:26:34

I say Democrats have to put

1:26:36

the gloves on and start swinging

1:26:38

because they have all the ammunition

1:26:40

there. They have the big heavy

1:26:42

weight in the ring to

1:26:44

knock them out. It's just that simple. Just

1:26:46

nobody's doing it. Michael, I can't say anything

1:26:48

but I agree with you. I've made those

1:26:50

arguments. I was from teaching Trump way early.

1:26:52

I did file articles to impeach him against

1:26:54

Trump. It wasn't favorably looked at

1:26:57

by my leadership. I held off

1:26:59

as far as I could and when Charlottesville happened and

1:27:02

the moms are said they're good

1:27:04

people on both sides. And I've

1:27:06

seen the people go, the Jews

1:27:08

will not replace us and waving

1:27:10

those rebel flags and Nazi flags.

1:27:12

I could not hold back and

1:27:14

I followed my articles. The first

1:27:16

articles filed the substance of articles.

1:27:19

But I got some rush back from my

1:27:21

leadership for it. And they are, in my

1:27:23

opinion, a little too timid. But we

1:27:27

couldn't convict him. We had good cases for

1:27:29

impeachment. We couldn't get it with the Republicans

1:27:31

in the Senate. It's just unfortunate. Just terrible.

1:27:34

Disgraceful. It's more disgraceful than anything. I wish

1:27:36

you the best and a happy Thanksgiving. And

1:27:38

we're going to keep working on our letter

1:27:40

and try to push for justice for people

1:27:43

and for victimless crimes. And that's something we

1:27:45

need to do. You know, Congress and I

1:27:47

have just one last question here. I know

1:27:49

the hour goes really, really quickly. The Kyle

1:27:51

Rittenhouse verdict on Friday, while expressing the will

1:27:54

of the jury, nonetheless, exposed a

1:27:56

really frightening aspect of our society

1:27:58

where people like Rittenhouse. House have

1:28:00

been elevated into martyrs by lawmakers

1:28:03

and pundits on the right. Do

1:28:05

you worry that this type of white

1:28:08

vigilantism will become more prevalent and encourage

1:28:10

groups like the Proud Boys or the

1:28:12

lone wolves like Rittenhouse or the two

1:28:14

men who murdered Ahmaud Aubrey

1:28:18

would end up doing

1:28:20

the same thing or worse? It's

1:28:22

going to happen, Michael. I have no question that there's

1:28:25

going to be violence. And

1:28:28

I know that the shooting of Steve

1:28:30

Scalise was wrong and that was a

1:28:32

Democrat left-wing guy, but the right

1:28:34

wing have got most of the guns. They're angry as

1:28:36

hell. There was one of them who said recently after

1:28:38

some meeting, when do we get to use the guns?

1:28:41

It's scary as hell. Just last

1:28:43

week, a man was sentenced in

1:28:45

Missouri for threatening both

1:28:48

Congressman Emanuel Cleaver and myself saying he

1:28:50

had a noose for our necks. He

1:28:53

was going to drag us behind his

1:28:55

truck. He called Emanuel Cleaver some racial

1:28:57

names. For me, he

1:28:59

just hated me. And he's going to

1:29:01

serve, I think it was as much as

1:29:03

39 months in jail. He's got

1:29:05

credit for seven months he's already done. So

1:29:08

there are people who have

1:29:10

made threats. There

1:29:13

will be people that try to carry out

1:29:15

those threats, especially with all these black

1:29:17

state laws that let you have open

1:29:19

carry like Rittenhouse had. Rittenhouse,

1:29:22

I don't know if the prosecution did a great job.

1:29:24

I didn't keep up with it that well. I said

1:29:27

it's a little difficult, but it's

1:29:29

hard for me that the first guy he killed was

1:29:31

unarmed, crazy

1:29:34

but unarmed. And he shouldn't

1:29:36

have shot him. Now, he went there looking

1:29:38

for trouble. And he was a kid who's

1:29:40

not been shown a lot of maturity

1:29:43

or wisdom in his life.

1:29:45

And he goes there with a gun and he

1:29:48

shot and killed the first guy. And then when

1:29:50

he ran, the guy that was trying to hit

1:29:52

him with a skateboard. Yeah, I don't want

1:29:54

to get hit with a skateboard, but that's not

1:29:56

the type of attack that he would

1:29:59

have. merit and allow

1:30:01

self-defense using a rifle to shoot somebody

1:30:03

and kill them. It's supposed to be

1:30:05

an equal amount of force to

1:30:08

put off the force that you're threatened with.

1:30:10

Now the other guy that had a pistol, that

1:30:13

might have been a self-defense case. But

1:30:15

the skateboard, that's not self-defense and the

1:30:17

first guy was not self-defense. And it

1:30:20

does encourage other people to think they

1:30:22

get away with vigilantism and it invites

1:30:24

it. And I've been expecting

1:30:26

something terrible to happen to somebody. And

1:30:30

I just hope it's not Democrat or Republican,

1:30:32

any elected official, but it will happen. Yeah,

1:30:34

let's all hope in.

1:30:36

Congressman Steve Cohen, thank you so

1:30:38

much for everything. Thanks for joining

1:30:40

me today Mayor Culper. Thank you

1:30:43

for that letter. Please, as a

1:30:45

selfish, exactly as a selfish, would

1:30:47

you please help

1:30:50

because I have gotten absolutely

1:30:52

no help from

1:30:54

anybody, you know, so far.

1:30:56

And I would like this chapter of

1:30:59

my journey, you know, to be over because

1:31:01

I hate to say it. Actually

1:31:04

I don't hate to say it. I'm enjoying

1:31:06

saying it. Trump will ultimately face

1:31:09

a judge. There's no doubt in

1:31:11

my mind here in New

1:31:13

York with the DA and the AG, there's

1:31:15

no doubt in my mind that he and

1:31:18

other members of his inner circle will ultimately

1:31:20

face a judge and also

1:31:23

suffer consequences. I'll

1:31:25

be in your corner like Boudini Brown

1:31:27

was in Muhammad Ali's corner. Float like

1:31:29

a butterfly, sting like a bee, rumble,

1:31:31

young man, rumble. Thank

1:31:34

you so much, Congressman. You're welcome, Michael. Take

1:31:36

care. Be well. Thank you, sir. And

1:31:39

now for today's Mayor Culper. My

1:31:42

conversation with Representative Cohen reminds

1:31:44

me that within the halls

1:31:46

of Congress, there is real

1:31:48

and substantive resistance to the

1:31:50

rising tide of authoritarianism and

1:31:52

GOP insanity. My concern

1:31:54

though is that lawmakers like Cohen

1:31:57

are becoming a vanishing breed in this

1:31:59

age of... The moral

1:32:01

authority is being shouted down

1:32:03

by his no breed of

1:32:05

troll, masquerading as politician. They

1:32:08

must be exposed to their hypocrisy

1:32:10

and clear and present danger to this

1:32:12

nation at all costs. Even

1:32:15

though their latest publicity and

1:32:17

surrendering spectacle is another sad

1:32:20

reflection of that party's dangerous

1:32:22

sentence of extremism, it

1:32:24

nonetheless presents that Democrats with a

1:32:27

prime political opportunity to expose the

1:32:29

hate squad as the modern face-and-true power

1:32:32

sentence is to kill peace. If

1:32:35

we had to push back against these fucking

1:32:37

hand-in-ticks, they'd have to get into the mud

1:32:39

a bit and wrestle with these pigs. These

1:32:43

clowns keep using the squad to

1:32:45

get themselves in the headlines. It's

1:32:47

time that Democrats make bold-bert

1:32:49

Marjorie Tellegreed make deeds off

1:32:51

of Cawthon and Paul Boeser

1:32:54

into their old way and

1:32:56

force the hostile Republican party

1:32:58

to look forward to these

1:33:00

attention-seeking, racist fucking narratives. The

1:33:02

lead for the squad, Madam

1:33:04

Republicans, really internationally battle against

1:33:06

the main hate-scavens and support

1:33:09

a solution to the public's

1:33:11

hate-loving people's lives. Promote

1:33:13

anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, give

1:33:16

cover to dangerous hate groups, endorse

1:33:18

a violent insurrection, and have a

1:33:20

history of disobeying law and order.

1:33:23

Stolbert, for example, has been arrested

1:33:25

more times than any other sitting Congressperson,

1:33:28

and she ignored court orders. As

1:33:31

far as family values are concerned,

1:33:33

Bobert's husband was arrested for

1:33:35

exposing himself to minors, and Matt

1:33:38

Gaetz, the green-stymatic partner in the

1:33:40

filtering, is currently being investigated for

1:33:43

having sex with a minor and traveling

1:33:45

with her across state lines. Why

1:33:47

this has not been weaponized and pushed out

1:33:50

on an industrial scale is beyond

1:33:52

me. From a political

1:33:54

standpoint, these foibles are a gift from

1:33:56

heaven. It's high time we use

1:33:58

them and send them to the United States. these fucking maniacs

1:34:01

home and restore the halls of

1:34:03

government to honorable men and women

1:34:05

like Representative Cohen. And

1:34:08

thanks for listening. Maya

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